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10 minutes ago, Gbb said:

Oh, I definitely think they're two "strange, angular jigsaw puzzle pieces who were perfectly happy alone but realised when they met each other that they made an awesome and very specific picture together."  (it's worth quoting again) I don't think Amy would have ever have found anyone else who matched her the way(s) Sheldon does. Someone who would make up silly games like Counterfactuals or an Internet show devoted to arcane flag knowledge or would "play" with her by coming up with secret experiments to run on their friends, someone who so perfectly matched her own intellectual snobbery. Amy had a very sparse dating life pre-Sheldon. She may have been under the illusion that she could find another one like him by getting back into dating, but it only took one outing with Sheldon and a game of Friend, Fight, Eat to make her remember how good their odd little relationship made her feel. She couldn't even wait until she got back home to ask him to take her back.

I'm certainly not going to tell you how to feel, but I suspect you may be mourning prematurely. :)

Awwwwwwwwwwww. I hope so! In any case, bring on coitus (and hopefully a Coitus Agreement), a ranking of best westerns and hopefully a show/book/comic that the two can get into together!

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10 minutes ago, wowbagger said:

Awwwwwwwwwwww. I hope so! In any case, bring on coitus (and hopefully a Coitus Agreement), a ranking of best westerns and hopefully a show/book/comic that the two can get into together!

I think a Coitus agreement would be hilarious! I wonder if Amy would insist on a "Viagra clause" for when he's older...

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1 minute ago, Stephen Hawking said:

No coitus agreement. They don't need agreements any more.

I'm in the minority, I suppose (again!) of loving the Relationship Agreement. Yes, sure, Amy should have gotten the thing looked over by her lawyer, but it is obvious that it is a living document, and that Amy has a great deal of say in what goes into it. Both Sheldon and Amy are wonkish, cerebral types. It is perfect, to me, that they would set out a protocol for the things that they do. Not just because they need it, or want control, or are afraid, or whatever, but because they are enormous nerds with a compulsion to document, codify and nitpick. Both of them. It is a beautifully witty, sideways take on how an extremely socially awkward and intellectually rigorous person would approach something like a relationship. Or coitus. And part of the joy of the relationship agreement is Sheldon and Amy finding out the things it does not cover, and painstakingly updating the agreement to incorporate them. Like, you know there is a clause about Mars in that thing now. And, hopefully, a series of meticulously-researched, thoroughly- workshopped codicils about birth control, frequency of research thereof, positions, database thereof, agreed-upon system of ratings thereof, consent agreements etc.

And I so, so want poor, put-upon, long-suffering Leonard to have to be the witness and sign the updated Relationship Agreement, with the brand-new "Awakens" Amendment. "I stayed up all night amending the Relationship Agreement, Leonard. Now sign it so that Amy Farrah Fowler and I can have coitus!"

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22 hours ago, wowbagger said:

- Because, fundamentally- Amy, girl, why were you even with Dave? I get it, you're hurting, you're rudderless and maybe you want the ego boost of a man who is interested in you. Maybe subconsciously you want this exact man because the two of you are united in your adoration of Sheldon. I get what you're going for, writers, I do. Doesn't mean I don't grit my teeth a little. Did Amy really have to drift from Sheldon to Dave, and wait, wringing her hands, to be rescued by Sheldon? Would it have killed you to have her throw herself into work and have Sheldon interrupt a lecture or a seminar, if you desperately needed him to interrupt something and snog Amy in front of an appreciative audience? Can Amy only breathe now if she is being squired by a man? Has she forgotten that she doesn't, you know, actually need to be dating anybody? I say 'forgotten', because Amy did use to know that. Has falling in love and getting her heart broken made her forget? Because, if so, I warn you, writers, you are not selling falling in love as a growth experience for Amy.

 

I'd be interested to see if your reactions to this episode change after you have seen it in full ... anyway! ...

I thought it was obvious why she gave Dave a second chance, as Sheldon said her eggs "have a sell by date!" She's in her 30's, she's had one real boyfriend and has very little experience. If she ever wants to get married and have kids then she really needs to get a move on! 

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- And- even if you needed Amy to be on a date for the homage to Spittoon to work- did Amy really need to be rescued by Sheldon? I was following the controversy where jena and 2L wondered what would have happened if Sheldon hadn't shown up. I like to think that Amy would have come to her senses, said 'The fuck am I doing? How about I concentrate on myself for a while, instead of settling for someone who doesn't particularly turn my crank?', and sent Dave on his way with a friendly handshake. I like to think that, but I agree that the possibility that Amy and Dave would go further was not squashed by Amy herself. Instead, we all winced as Amy and Dave drew closer- yes, yes, so that the impact of Sheldon's arrival would be enhanced. Again, I get what you're going for, writers. But Sheldon had already had so many, many epiphanies. Would it have killed you to allow Amy this moment of clarity and autonomy? To say 'You know, Dave, how about no?' before Sheldon knocked on the door? I know, I know, you wanted the moment. you wanted the dread. You wanted the suspense. I only wanted Amy to take a stand for what she wanted, instead of leaving the really sour feeling in my mouth that Amy needed the intervention of Sheldon- and then Dave to give Sheldon permission to kiss her.

She didn't need 'saved' from Dave at all. She said no to the first kiss and he backed off, she then decided that she was going in for another one, she was the one who invited him over and she was completely in control of the situation. If Dave hadn't been there then the scene would have been really, really cheesy I thought that him in the background being hilarious saved the scene from being over the top and cringe worthy personally, if it wasn't your cup of tea then so be it but Dave was there to make the funny work and it also had the nice spittoon parallel as you pointed out :) 

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Way, way, way too much here for me to read so if I'm repeating what others have already said (though, somehow I doubt it), I am sorry.

The "hello/hi" in bed.  So sweet! Sweet and lovely, and the look on Sheldon's face, just pure adoration and devotion.  

Now, I did note that some here presented this as evidence that Sheldon was most definitely not asexual.  Hmm, trust me when I say I'm looking for the signs too, I am, I really am.  I'm just not seeing them.  

Granted he appears resigned and happy, beatific, serene even, and that there is where my problem lies.  Serene is the antithesis of lust.  Lust should be, well, lusty!  Short breathed, quick hearted, eyebrows sky-high, pupils dilated. And, while lust is a hard one for any actor to do convincingly, we're talking about a multi-Emmy winning Master Degree educated Method Actor here.  If JP wanted you all to see lust, then he'd find a trigger for palpitations and dilations ('acting' is rather a misnomer for the art, when in truth it is really 'being').

And talking of the consummate professional that JP is, can I just add that 'slipping someone the tongue' is the absolute height of bad manners. It's just not done.  Unless absolutely specified and agreed, stage kisses do not involve the penetration of one person's tongue into another's mouth. I can't believe some of you are suggesting he'd even do such a thing.  And do it to his friend too?  In front of a live studio audience?!  Seriously?! WTH! Get a grip!

Now, there's a shed load of analysis over Dave and how far Amy would and wouldn't have gone.  Fact is, no-one knows.  Stamping hard on a poster who dares suggest that it's quite possible she may have gone all the way is frankly ridiculous.  You know just as much as they do, there's no definitive answer.  I see it as a set up myself, a writers ploy to bring tension.  Dropping just enough hints that she might, a false start (more tension) and then just before the deal is sealed and the reveal revealed, Sheldon's knocks smash through the tension and our central male protagonist rides in on his charger and all's well, phew!

And, speaking of Dave, and the divine Mr Merchant.  Those of you who want to contact him with your Hash Tags (and I reckon he would get a kick out of it, I really do) should make contact via his agent.  I believe he's one of United's clients, David (??) Hayes (writing dept) I think.  You should be able to find his executive assistant on-line and they'll be the one who handles Stephen's fan mail.

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1 minute ago, Kathy2611 said:

OMG!!  Amy's got an evil clapping monkey!!  Those things terrified me when I was a kid!!

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I always crack up that the phrenology head was actually invented by the Fowler brothers. I know Amy's name was invented before they decided to make her a neuroscientist, but it's such a funny coincidence.

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7 minutes ago, jlove said:

Oh boy, not really wanting the debate again, but there are two things here I can't let go.

1 - You say Sheldon appears "resigned."  The connotation of this word is something someone does begrudgingly.  I just don't see any evidence of that.  Resigned and happy are not two words that are usually associated.

2 - "Serene is the antithesis of lust."  You couldn't be more wrong.  There can be a tremendous power in the moment of surrending yourself to the one you love when you have waited to do so that isn't all about just being lusty and getting sweaty.  I don't see lust in Amy's gaze either, but we're not discussing whether or not she is somewhere on the asexual spectrum.  My husband and I did not have sex with each other until our wedding night.  I guarantee you, there was plenty of lust in both our hearts.  But yes, when the time came I would characterize the way our lovemaking started as being much, much more like the glimpses we've seen of Sheldon and Amy from the promo than "Short breathed, quick hearted, eyebrows sky-high, pupils dilated."  That all came after the smiles, and after the kissing started.  

 

Resigned. Accepting. There's peace, and yes, happiness, to be found in finally accepting a thing for what it is. Resigned, in this instance, to all that being "a boyfriend" entails. You do use the word 'surrender' yourself.

After all, some might say (not me BTW) that Sheldon was dumped for not "putting out". It's all down to perspective no?

I'm sure there was lust in both yours and your husband's hearts on your wedding night. I'm also sure you didn't have to tell your faces what you were feeling though.

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Or is it?  The production staff is so great on the show.  Her apartment did'nt show up til the middle of S4.  

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25 minutes ago, Kathy2611 said:

OMG!!  Amy's got an evil clapping monkey!!  Those things terrified me when I was a kid!!

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You're talking about this adorable monkey? 
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3 minutes ago, Ranger Rosa said:

You're talking about this adorable monkey? 
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This is one of the creepiest things I've ever seen. 

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2 minutes ago, koops said:

I don't want to burst that particular bubble :p, but it's also possible she had just moved to that neighborhood that year, which is why maybe she replied to that particular dating profile when she met Sheldon: he was in the area, less effort for her to get her annual date over and done with. So she met Sheldon and the others because she moved to the area, rather than the other way around, and then ended up just staying there out of convenience. That apartment looked far too lived in to be somewhere were she just moved after meeting him. Also, Amy in the Cooper Extraction flashbacks envisions herself living in that same apartment, even in a universe where she never met Sheldon.

That's for me just another inconsistency of the writers; they wanted Amy to say in 9.10 that she lived there because she "had to" or "got to" drive him around and then forgot whatever in the previous 5 seasons showed that she lived there before meeting him...

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4 minutes ago, Ranger Rosa said:

You're talking about this adorable monkey? 
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AHHHHH!!!  YES!!  I hated that thing.  I was watching the episode again (for maybe the 10th time) with my oldest (her first) on my iPad and when Amy closed the door on Dave, I saw it for the first time, screamed, and flung the iPad away from me.  My daughter thought it was hilarious.  I'm still shaking.  

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7 minutes ago, camelliayao said:

Can we just wait for the episode to air or maybe wait for more episodes to judge?

I think their first time is designed by the writers to be more focused on love rather than passion. They want it to be tender and sweet, not that they want to show us Sheldon is asexual...

I really don't think they would tell Jim "You know what? Actually we want Sheldon to have no desires. So if you could show that in your performance that would be great. Although we never said he is asexual, and we promote our asses off about this episode and want whole world to know about their coitus, our only purpose here is to show Sheldon is asexual. You see how perfect the plan is?"

I disagree. The asexual message has been forefront and consistent throughout Sheldon's characterization from the go-get.

Leonard even named it. 'He has no deal.'

If Leonard had said 'His deal is bespectacled women with hair the colour of mud' then that'd be that, but he didn't.

I really don't need to list all the 'Sheldon is asexual' jokes! You know 'em, I know 'em, they're even present right there in the actual 'Coitus' episode (two examples, Proton and the 'next birthday' gag).

Regardless, whether it's no deal, bespectacled brunettes or sock puppets, I'll be tuning in. As I said, it looks adorable, however it turns out.

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33 minutes ago, camelliayao said:

Can we just wait for the episode to air or maybe wait for more episodes to judge?

I think their first time is designed by the writers to be more focused on love rather than passion. They want it to be tender and sweet, not that they want to show us Sheldon is asexual...

I really don't think they would tell Jim "You know what? Actually we want Sheldon to have no desires. So if you could show that in your performance that would be great. Although we never said he is asexual, and we promote our asses off about this episode and want whole world to know about their coitus, our only purpose here is to show Sheldon is asexual. You see how perfect the plan is?"

Good one!  LOL!

 

I can't believe some people continue to  insist Sheldon is asexual, has no desire etc.  What do they want?  To see Sheldon grab Amy, rip her gown off, tell her he wants to f*** her brains out.  It's a family show, for goodness sakes!  

 

 

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28 minutes ago, ATOB said:

Resigned. Accepting. There's peace, and yes, happiness, to be found in finally accepting a thing for what it is. Resigned, in this instance, to all that being "a boyfriend" entails. You do use the word 'surrender' yourself.

After all, some might say (not me BTW) that Sheldon was dumped for not "putting out". It's all down to perspective no?

I'm sure there was lust in both yours and your husband's hearts on your wedding night. I'm also sure you didn't have to tell your faces what you were feeling though.

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5 minutes ago, Gbb said:

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Yes, 100% Srsly.

Is that Bernadette Peters?

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