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1 minute ago, Ranger Rosa said:

Speaking about Flash, let's go into the rabbit hole and have a crazy fan moment here: will Sheldon be just like his beloved hero in bed with Amy or he'll go slowmotion? Because the way they kiss -sorry, almost kiss- makes me think they went slow. Reeeeeally slow. 

Slow...and I want him to give the Flash shirt to Amy.  Circle back around.

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5 hours ago, jenafan said:

I just thought that was part of her vintage charm.  LOL!   It just moves me the way Sheldon adores her the way she is.   Penny making the comment about Amy being an old woman cracked me up, and it didn't even phase Sheldon one bit.

I really cannot wait until Sheldon officially makes her his old woman.  He surely has loved her a long time, probably from "hello, but just didn't know it.

Speaking of hello, only Sheldon can manage to make that single word so sentimental, just like the unique way Amy's name just flows from his lips.  I just cannot wait until Thursday to see his enthusiasm over making her happy.   

someone else mentioned that thoae watches are back in style and is a staple with hipsters....made me feel every day of 50 lol....

i did find it quirky but cute though, so simple yet functional. and yes, i am looking forward so much to thursday and how excited amy and sheldon are, we all need this after the hell season 9 put us through and all the sad faces weve seen on this couple!

 

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14 minutes ago, 2L344 said:

someone else mentioned that thoae watches are back in style and is a staple with hipsters....made me feel every day of 50 lol....

i did find it quirky but cute though, so simple yet functional. and yes, i am looking forward so much to thursday and how excited amy and sheldon are, we all need this after the hell season 9 put us through and all the sad faces weve seen on this couple!

 

A lot of what the guys do/wear was considered uncool in season 1 but is now actually really fashionable! I like to think that the show's popularity helped with that :) 

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5 hours ago, koops said:

I don't really agree with this because I haven't really seen any clear pattern in canon that Amy was impatient because she wanted to settle down and have children and her biological clock is ticking. Quite the contrary. Sheldon has perhaps brought up the topic of children far more often than Amy has. I think the reason she snapped when Sheldon brought it up was precisely because that was not the point: Sheldon was essentially telling her she should get back with him because she wasn't getting any younger if she wanted kids and her reaction was essentially about her wanting kids not being the point, but rather a whole lot of whatever other issues she had with their relationship. What I actually like about that exchange in 9x01 is that, usually, you have the woman stomping her feet about the biological clock and not getting any younger, whereas here you had Sheldon do that, and Amy's reaction to me was totally about him being obtuse and not getting the point. I do think time played a role in her snapping at him and breaking things off, that was pretty clear in the dialogue in the finale, but more in the sense that she spent a long time in a relationship with him and wasn't really sure if he would ever want the same things as she did with him or if he would ever make her a priority in his life, rather than her needing to find a man to start a family with. I do agree with those who were saying earlier that Sheldon made her desire things she didn't before (as per her own admission in her fanfic), but it's one thing to say "Will this person ever put me at the same level of importance and consideration in his life as I do him, and if not, what is the right choice for me?" (which was essentially an issue in the whole Mars business, where, again, Amy didn't have any specific demands about what their future might look like, she just wanted them to "plan it together"), it's another thing to say "I want 2.5 kids, a dog and a white picket fence and I'm fed up with sitting around waiting because I'm not getting any younger". I never thought Amy ever approached her relationship that way, and, really, I think her mentality in many ways is still very much at a teenage-like stage where the things she's eager to move forward toward and experience with Sheldon are, first and foremost, complete intimacy, rather than the mentality of your regular 30-35 year-old who has experienced all of that already and now is looking to settle down. It just so happens that for her the two things ("firsts" and "settling down") coincide with the same man.

The writers and Mayim herself have said again and again during this breakup that they're not even sure what Amy wants or needs because she doesn't really know, that she's lacking a frame of reference and that she needs to figure out what it is that she wants. That doesn't sound to me like someone who had her future desires all figured out and made any decisions with clear intentions. Indeed, most of her decisions, starting from the breakup itself, where knee-jerk or emotional reactions to the situation, not very sure ones at that, that then piled up on top of each other until she ultimately cornered herself in 9x09. 

this is awesome, nailed it! ive said from the beginning that i thought her break up was ill conceived and brash and that she later regretted it but didnt know how to dig herself out of the mess without looking "silly" for initiating it. the stairwell scene was that "oh crap" moment for her when she probably thought she was now over her head, and the aquarium rejection was the final straw for her and she sank to the bottom like an anchor...

i agree, Amy didnt have a plan (much like a teen who lives in the moment and only thinks about their decision making later) whether its the break up or what she wants from a relationship, but what she did want was a partner who made her a priority and would grow with her. Sheldon was making progress, just not enough of it and too slowly for her...

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Ranger Rosa said:

Am I misunderstanding or there is many people with kinda of a fetish on Amy wearing a Sheldon's shirt, specifically from The Flash?

I wouldn't call it a fetish, but there are plenty of scenarios in TV and movies where the girl wears the guys shirt the next morning.  Penny did, dancing around the kitchen in 4A making french toast wearing Leonard's dress shirt (on oatmeal day, Sheldon said it smelled wonderful, but threw it out anyway). 

I conjured the Flash shirt since it was his stupid Flash TV show comment that started their decent into madness.

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7 minutes ago, 2L344 said:

reminds me of the creepy monkey music box in Phantom of the Opera...

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~~scary monkey with french accent~~

In this movie what scares me is the Phantom itself.
 

14 minutes ago, vonmar said:

I wouldn't call it a fetish, but there are plenty of scenarios in TV and movies where the girl wears the guys shirt the next morning.  Penny did, dancing around the kitchen in 4A making french toast wearing Leonard's dress shirt (on oatmeal day, Sheldon said it smelled wonderful, but threw it out anyway). 

I conjured the Flash shirt since it was his stupid Flash TV show comment that started their decent into madness.

Well, this could happen but with a robe instead, or something like that, because of Mayim's style.

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4 hours ago, jenafan said:

The bold part is the reason why my views seem to rub others the wrong way.  While I believe in equal rights for women in politics, culture, socialism, economics, and personally, I am not a feminist by any means when it comes to relationships.  I am a strong independent woman with a solid career.  I believe there is nothing wrong with a woman wanting or being submissive to a man in her life to feel complete, as long as she's doing it for the right reasons and making a purposeful choice to cling to the right one who will guide and support her rather than settle for the sake of wanting a physical relationship or not being alone.

Amy is a strong independent and professional woman, but on a social and personal level, she struggles to stand up for herself.   She even allowed Penny to put her in her closet after she was forced to call her mother to tell her she broke up with Sheldon.   Really?  Sheldon has tried to get out of doing things and pokes fun at things he doesn't like or want, but unlike her mother and her friends, Sheldon has always accepted Amy for who she is and has not tried to change or berate her for who and what she is.

Amy longed to be wanted and needed by Sheldon, and while she was happy in the beginning with the intellectual and emotional intimacy they had, somewhere down the road what he was giving her wasn't enough any longer.   While Penny has had a positive influence on Amy by making her more open to things, she also influenced her into believing something was missing because Sheldon had not consummated their relationship.    While not necessarily about sex, Amy did want more physical intimacy, and Sheldon seemed about ready to provide it before opening his mouth and causing Amy to reconsider their relationship.

I don't think Amy ending her relationship with Sheldon had anything to do with strength on her part.   She was upset by what Sheldon said during the most intimate moment they had ever had.  She got tired of all the work she was putting into the relationship thinking that she was getting little in return.   She just wanted to take a step back.  She felt forced by Sheldon to make a decision on impulse and then regretted it.   She didn't know how to take it back.   Instead of facing the break up head on by discussing her issues with Sheldon, she ran from them and pushed Sheldon's attempts to reach out to her away.   When she assumed her actions had indeed caused Sheldon to move on, she reacted by attempting to do so as well, not to look for a life partner, but to gain dating experience. 

So Amy goes out on a few dates, finds out she is not happy.    It seems they were not intellectually stimulating enough for her.    She goes out with Sheldon as a friend and is happy again, suddenly wanting Sheldon back with the way things were before they broke up, with no conditions for making her number one or increasing intimacy.   This further indicates that the break up was never meant to happen.   She just wanted some rest from her exhaustion, and she snapped when Sheldon didn't give it to her when she asked.

Luckily, the break up did do Sheldon some good, but I would have liked to have seen Amy learn something from it, too.   I would have preferred she had never taken the dating route, making it clear that her heart belonged to Sheldon and that she wasn't seeking something that she thought was missing in her relationship with Sheldon with someone else.   Did she not continue to go out  or sleep with any of her dates by choice because there was no interest on her side to do so?  We can assume such, but it would have been nice to have it clearly stated.

True Sheldon asked Raj and Howard to help him find another Amy.  They called him out as well.   I think they went along because they were more intrigued by the outcome of the experiment than to help Sheldon.   I think Sheldon was looking for more of a distraction than success, and as soon as he opened the door, he recognized his mistake and put an end to it before it began.   The fact that he said he wouldn't consider coitusing Vanessa indicates that his lack of interest had more to do with his heart than her dislike of a lecture or being late.   Amy is the only one he has ever considered coitusing with.   There was no substitute and he wasn't even going to try to go there.   I think at that point he had decided he'd rather be alone than to settle for a mere imitation, at best.   Sheldon sided with his heart over his need to cover his hurt.

And Bernie, as much as that woman rubs me the wrong way, kudos to her for calling Amy out twice.   Once for dating when she clearly stated she wasn't ready to move on, and the second time for inviting a guy whom she barely knew and ruined their last date over to her apartment with the potential for getting intimate.   To coin Sheldon, what are you doing woman?

It would have been nice if we had seen Amy take the same stand as Sheldon, but she did not.  She had already been out on three dates with Dave and determined it was not working out, even having to tell him to get out of her car.   Kudos to her for taking a stand then, but it didn't last.   She gets shot down by Sheldon.   I thought she would have chosen to go along with being friends, spending some time on her own, and waited for Sheldon to come to his senses.  He's done it before.  No, instead, she takes the initiative to call Dave back shortly afterward, makes excuses to justify his behavior, blames herself as part of the reason the date went wrong because she took the last breadstick, and invites him to her apartment for a private meal.   Then to make matters worse, when he kisses her, instead of putting an end to it, she makes an excuse to lean in for another.   Like she told Bernie, she thought "intimate" was what she needed and was considering settling with Dave because he was a nice guy.    What would have happened if Sheldon had not shown up is open to interpretation and has been debated already, with many possibilities, not probabilities.

I don't think she chose to date Dave because she was looking for a life partner but because she was trying to fill a void.  IMO, coping with hurt feelings and disappointment is where Amy lacks good decision-making capabilities.   Sheldon is no knight in shining armor, but he showed up without realizing he was rescuing her from herself.   Yes, Sheldon was at fault for not making his intentions and feelings known to Amy, but in the end he did, and he got the prize after all.

I see no double standard here.   Although Sheldon refrained from showing emotion, on an emotional level, he has shown far more maturity than Amy in their relationship.   Sheldon's inappropriate and unfiltered remarks aside, Sheldon calculates and considers the consequences of his actions before proceeding.   Amy, on the other hand, simply reacts and then falters in her attempts to cope with the outcome, especially when things don't go her way.  

Amy doesn't just need a man in her life.  She needs a Sheldon for love, intellectual play, comfort, reassurance, and reasoning.   Amy has softened Sheldon, but in some ways, by having to put up with him, he has hardened her and made her stronger.    Without him, she seems to lose confidence in herself.    She needs him as much as he needs her. 

Where the scales were tipped on one side or the other depending on which aspect of the relationship one chooses to reflect on, I think we can safely say that the plates are finally balanced between the two.   The romance between them is not idealistic but based on two individuals who have found understanding and purpose in each other, in a world where no one gets them and tries to guide them by their own standards. 

What makes this so beautiful is they get each other and end up back together in spite of their individual misgivings, Amy not knowing it they will ever be physically intimate and Sheldon not knowing if he will get hurt again.  On their own, they realize that with each other is where they belong and the wait/risk is worth it.

Yes yes yes...did i say yes? the bold parts are on point. remember the table episode where amy the manipulator makes an appearance (a lot of fans dislike that episode but i really enjoyed it) and in the end amy says she got "cocky" when suggesting sheldon move in with her? a part of me always thought she got a little cocky early in the break up once the deed was done. like you, i dont think she intended to break up initially but did so in a frustrated and heated moment..i believe though, that a part of her was a little cocky early on and thought she could wait out sheldon in hopes of getting an apology from him and maybe witnessing a little groveling at the error of his ways. the stairwell scene was a preview of what consequences were in store once the reality check hit...yes it all works out in the end, thankfully....

 

i like how you give Sheldon props for changing Amy. like it or not, Sheldon is a catalyst for change in the Amy we saw at the end of season 3. there is a scene when Raj walks Amy to her car one night (for protection that he needed lol) and they have a short chat about gf/bf's...Amy confides about how long she was alone and that Sheldon filled that void for her. Folks argue that Amy wasnt interested in having a relationship early on with sheldon or anyone else for that matter, but i disagree. i believe she conceded she would be a spinster but nonetheless desired a bf, and that short scene with Raj i think supports some of that. 

i also agree that balance in the relationship has been achieved now, and it is much needed. Amy deserved that much.

 

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5 minutes ago, jlove said:

I want to see Amy wearing his Flash t-shirt.  :icon_cheesygrin:

They could just have them lying in bed some morning with her in his shirt, covered with blankets.  No modesty issue there, and yay!

Yep, just a peek of that red shirt..that would make me smile.

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13 minutes ago, MJistheBOMB said:

I'll call the mortuary/ cemetery folk. LOL.

Would love to know how you did that lovely gif!  

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50 minutes ago, jenafan said:

This was one of my favorite episodes as well.   I wanted the tag scene to last a little longer so I could see everyone's facial expressions when the guys opened the apartment door to move in.

I want to say it started out slow but then got more passionate and unbridled once Sheldon got through the gate and realized he liked what he was doing and the reaction he was getting from Amy.   We will see just how bad Amy's hair looks on Thursday and can come back to this then.

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