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27 minutes ago, lpm said:

Would love to know how you did that lovely gif!  

Thanks! I went to picmonkey.com. Perfect for people  like me who know nothing about graphic design. LOL. 

 

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11 hours ago, jenafan said:

The bold part is the reason why my views seem to rub others the wrong way.  While I believe in equal rights for women in politics, culture, socialism, economics, and personally, I am not a feminist by any means when it comes to relationships.  I am a strong independent woman with a solid career.  I believe there is nothing wrong with a woman wanting or being submissive to a man in her life to feel complete, as long as she's doing it for the right reasons and making a purposeful choice to cling to the right one who will guide and support her rather than settle for the sake of wanting a physical relationship or not being alone.

 

What makes this so beautiful is they get each other and end up back together in spite of their individual misgivings, Amy not knowing it they will ever be physically intimate and Sheldon not knowing if he will get hurt again.  On their own, they realize that with each other is where they belong and the wait/risk is worth it.

I will begin with the second paragraph I quoted. Even though I don't agree with everything you wrote until there I agree with your conclusion. I very much liked the fact that both of them decided that they want this relationship unconditionally because above all they love each other. 

About the first paragraph (and this is not Shamy related so excuse me for that) I just wanted to clarify something. I identify myself as a feminist and though I always had friendly sentiments towards feminism I just started learning more and trying to realize where I personally stand. You said that although you believe in equal rights in many aspects you are "not a feminist by any means when it comes to relationships". I am bit confused by that cause I always thought that one either is a feminist or they are not. For example (and I know that this is reallyyyy extreme I am just trying to make a point) I had a friend who told me "I am not a racist in general but with (insert a nation) I really am". I told her that you either are a racist or you are not there is no middle space. Again sorry for the example but that's how I see feminism too. As I understand it feminism is about women having equal rights and chances in everything and having the freedom to choose their lifestyle without having to answer for it period. If a woman wants to be submissive to a man in her life, then feminism supports her in that decision. If a woman feels that she would never want children, then feminism supports that decision too. I think that feminism is against gender based roles such as having to be submissive because you are a woman or having to want children because you are a woman. I don't mean to speak on your behalf but the way you spoke about it (clearly stating that what you mention is something a woman wants) doesn't strike me so anti-feminist. Sorry about the rant and the off topic conversation.

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So I finally got to watch 9x10 as well... did anyone else notice the way Sheldon gasps when Amy opens the door for him, or am I just imagining things? I replayed it a few times (for science, lol). It sounds to me like he was extremely nervous, perhaps didn't even expect her to be home, but she was there and he was about to open up his heart to her not knowing how she might react, and the way he sucked in the air seemed like a glimpse of a panic attack, but he got it under control. Did anyone else hear that breathing sound? It made him appear so vulnerable at that moment... either that, or I'm going crazy as well:-)

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13 minutes ago, shamour said:

So I finally got to watch 9x10 as well... did anyone else notice the way Sheldon gasps when Amy opens the door for him, or am I just imagining things? I replayed it a few times (for science, lol). It sounds to me like he was extremely nervous, perhaps didn't even expect her to be home, but she was there and he was about to open up his heart to her not knowing how she might react, and the way he sucked in the air seemed like a glimpse of a panic attack, but he got it under control. Did anyone else hear that breathing sound? It made him appear so vulnerable at that moment... either that, or I'm going crazy as well:-)

If you're going crazy you're not alone. That's what I saw, too!

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Anyway... It's taping day! Last taping of the year, even! Any thoughts, wishes or speculations about the next episode??

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Dear CBS,

Where are my episode previews please?!?

I needs them!

The new E4 (the peeps in the UK who show TBBT) S9 trailer :)

I love the E4 trailers and they have special themed Big Bang days where they show the 'best of' episodes, they're right up there with the peeps who make the CBS trailers on my list of cool people :) 

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3 hours ago, shamour said:

So I finally got to watch 9x10 as well... did anyone else notice the way Sheldon gasps when Amy opens the door for him, or am I just imagining things? I replayed it a few times (for science, lol). It sounds to me like he was extremely nervous, perhaps didn't even expect her to be home, but she was there and he was about to open up his heart to her not knowing how she might react, and the way he sucked in the air seemed like a glimpse of a panic attack, but he got it under control. Did anyone else hear that breathing sound? It made him appear so vulnerable at that moment... either that, or I'm going crazy as well:-)

I didn't notice, but now I have an excuse to go watch it again and find out. Hahahaha, I crack myself up...like I've needed an excuse to watch it every single day.  Multiple times.

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6 hours ago, Cecilia said:

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About the first paragraph (and this is not Shamy related so excuse me for that) I just wanted to clarify something. I identify myself as a feminist and though I always had friendly sentiments towards feminism I just started learning more and trying to realize where I personally stand. You said that although you believe in equal rights in many aspects you are "not a feminist by any means when it comes to relationships". I am bit confused by that cause I always thought that one either is a feminist or they are not. For example (and I know that this is reallyyyy extreme I am just trying to make a point) I had a friend who told me "I am not a racist in general but with (insert a nation) I really am". I told her that you either are a racist or you are not there is no middle space. Again sorry for the example but that's how I see feminism too. As I understand it feminism is about women having equal rights and chances in everything and having the freedom to choose their lifestyle without having to answer for it period. If a woman wants to be submissive to a man in her life, then feminism supports her in that decision. If a woman feels that she would never want children, then feminism supports that decision too. I think that feminism is against gender based roles such as having to be submissive because you are a woman or having to want children because you are a woman. I don't mean to speak on your behalf but the way you spoke about it (clearly stating that what you mention is something a woman wants) doesn't strike me so anti-feminist. Sorry about the rant and the off topic conversation.

I walked into that one, didn’t I?  Sometimes I am guilty of using the wrong word to express myself, and I may have done the same here.

Let me first of all start with a disclaimer that I believe one’s views and perspectives on a matter are based on one’s own background and experiences and are not meant to be demeaning or judgmental toward others in any way at all.   However, knowing my views may allow others to better understand why I address specific issues and relate to characters the way I do.   

I believe that Amy has every right to insist on her rights when it comes to her career, political views, equality of women in the workplace, economics, etc.   I don’t think it is an insult to her independence to want a man in her life and to desperately search for companionship and intimacy to feel complete.   I do, however, believe she should reserve her selection for the right one and not just settle for the sake of not wanting to be a spinster, to rebound over heartache, or for the sake of gaining intimate experience.    I believe she made the right choice with Sheldon, but had he not had his epiphany and sought her out, I’m not sure the outcome would have ended up in her best interest.

If one really wants to split hairs, it could be argued that Amy was giving up her independence by allowing her vulnerability and hurt over her loss of Sheldon to override her ability to think clearly on matters in favor of acting on desperation over logic.   Instead of focusing on her career or herself, she indeed turned to another man, who was a nice guy, but not the right one for her, for comfort.

I believe wanting Sheldon in her life and a partnership means relinquishing some of her authority and independence over her choices.  I don’t think it would be demeaning to Amy at all if Sheldon were to let’s say, insist she retain her long hair as his preference, expect her to cook for him, want to have babies, and/or negotiate putting her career aside to stay home and take care of them.    I also believe Amy can balance a solid career and family, if that is what she and Sheldon choose to do.   These are decisions they make together.

Nor do I believe Sheldon should always insist on his way.   He should love, care, and respect Amy by taking her needs into consideration as if they were equal or more than his own, but it is not wrong for him to have wanted Amy to remain a virgin for him, to not want to serve her breakfast in bed, to not be overly enthusiastic about neurobiology, to enjoy having Amy care for is booboos and ouchies, etc.

At the same time, Amy should take more interest in Sheldon’s movies and hobbies, be willing to let him stand on the sidelines researching hypothermia while she ice skates, and not insist on PDA or dinner at fancy restaurants if Sheldon is truly that uncomfortable with it.   What I have always loved about Amy is her willingness to defend Sheldon in front of her friends in spite of her issues in the relationship, giving him respect and dignity.

Sheldon and Amy will go into marriage knowing what each other’s personality, habits, and characteristics beforehand.  Neither should expect the other to change who or what they are, but they can grow, adapt, compromise, and change together as a result of communication and negotiation.   This includes their relationship in the bedroom.  

These are the reasons why I think it was extremely important that Amy made absolutely sure that Sheldon is the one she wants because she is going to have to put up with his annoyance and difficulties for the rest of her life.    It bothered me when others insisted that Amy needed to make sure that Sheldon would be willing to put out before marrying him, but I think it was more important for Amy to decide if she wanted the relationship even if he didn’t or found himself averse to it after trying.   I was elated that she decided she wanted back into the relationship with no conditions whatsoever.

When I say that I am not a feminist in the matter of relationships, I mean that I don’t think it in a woman’s best interest to insist that she will or will not have children, cut her hair, care for the home, give up family over career, or rub in her husband’s face that she has a larger paycheck or better job because she feels entitled as a woman to do so.     One with that attitude perhaps she should consider if a lifetime partnership with a man is in hers or his best interest.   She must take her partner's desires and preferences into consideration with her decisions, as her partner should hers.

Perhaps my definition of feminism is skewed, and I really am a feminist in all matters as you suggested because a woman goes into a relationship by choice, at least in this culture.  What I take issue with is when a woman goes into a relationship with her partner, and he is expected to stand back and throw his hands in the air as she becomes the boss insisting on her authority and/or using her body to lord it over her partner to insist on her way.  The attitude that women are better or smarter than men and sex has to be earned does not belong in a partnership.    This is my opinion, and I do not want nor will I argue about it.   I did, however, feel compelled to explain my statement.

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2 hours ago, April said:

Anyway... It's taping day! Last taping of the year, even! Any thoughts, wishes or speculations about the next episode??

Yeah it's taping day!! Technically I will read it tomorrow but this is so exciting anyway!! Well I have a wish which is Shamy working together but I know that this is not happening at least not in the next episode!! So I would be perfectly happy with a FWF episode as someone said!! And Sheldon welcoming her after she returns as someone else said!! 

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6 hours ago, Cecilia said:

About the first paragraph (and this is not Shamy related so excuse me for that) I just wanted to clarify something. I identify myself as a feminist and though I always had friendly sentiments towards feminism I just started learning more and trying to realize where I personally stand. You said that although you believe in equal rights in many aspects you are "not a feminist by any means when it comes to relationships". I am bit confused by that cause I always thought that one either is a feminist or they are not. For example (and I know that this is reallyyyy extreme I am just trying to make a point) I had a friend who told me "I am not a racist in general but with (insert a nation) I really am". I told her that you either are a racist or you are not there is no middle space. Again sorry for the example but that's how I see feminism too. As I understand it feminism is about women having equal rights and chances in everything and having the freedom to choose their lifestyle without having to answer for it period. If a woman wants to be submissive to a man in her life, then feminism supports her in that decision. If a woman feels that she would never want children, then feminism supports that decision too. I think that feminism is against gender based roles such as having to be submissive because you are a woman or having to want children because you are a woman. I don't mean to speak on your behalf but the way you spoke about it (clearly stating that what you mention is something a woman wants) doesn't strike me so anti-feminist. Sorry about the rant and the off topic conversation.

Thanks for saying this. I wanted to post almost exactly this yesterday but I was afraid of going too far off topic (especially as a newbie). Just wanted to say, I concur! Now, back to Shamy ;)

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