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Well, with a show like this there's always the issue that you have to work with a restricted time frame to tell your story and you have to make it funny at the same time. I really wouldn't know what use it would have been to make Dave a perfectly fine suitor and still end up with something as hilarious and charming as we got in the end. Is it fair to Amy that he's a fan of Sheldon? I don't know. It sure was funny as hell though! Furthermore, does it need to be fair? The show is throwing all of its characters into unfair scenarios all the time - and then they just let them deal with this in a funny way. I don't think any of this is done because they don't care about certain characters or play favourites or whatever. And yeah, there is sadly a bit of a character hierarchy in terms of storyline distribution, so I get the frustration that Amy doesn't always get the most stuff to do for whatever reason. But still, I have no doubt that they love her as much as anybody else on the show.

TBH I'm glad that, since she seemingly had to have a smaller role in the next two episodes (for whatever reason), the writers opted for her being away on a science conference. All of her stories this season have been in relation to the breakup or her tagging along with the girls. So if nothing else it's kinda nice to see that she still has a life outside of her social circle. And of course this setup still allows for some cute Shamy moments without her having to be there.

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51 minutes ago, camelliayao said:

The first part, yes, that's what the writers tried to tell us. Don't you think it's a little bit forced? That the only guy she had interests in after their break up is a fan of Sheldon's? If they set her up with a really nice guy and she still found herself unhappy, that may be more convincing. I get it this is a comedy and I looooooooove Dave. Still, not playing fair, writers.

The second part, how I wish you were right.

I guess when they added Amy and Bernie, especially since they portrayed Amy so well even though she didn't have a lot of screen time, I just assumed the show would be more like Friends where the characters are equally focused. Well I was wrong. After season 4 and 5, Amy just went back to do the job she was originally supposed to do on the show, being Sheldon's girlfriend.

Re: Dave, I do understand your frustration. I like Amy very much and I get very grumpy when all her plotlines are Sheldon-y/related to romance, and it felt so horribly symbolic in a way to have even her non-Sheldon dating life be somehow all about Sheldon. Not to mention that ultimately Dave took the decision to kick him to the kerb (the first time) out of Amy's hands, by chuntering on and on about Sheldon.

Re: the second part, I can only second what koops has said about focussing on what is on screen. There was an interview (I forget where) where Molaro really got on my wick by chortling 'It's been five years. We figured Amy had waited long enough.', and muttering darkly about whether Amy would 'let' Sheldon bring back the Relationship Agreement. Ugh, and ugh again.

And then I think: however horrifyingly dysfunctional and War Of Attrition-ish he is making the Shamy sound, that is not what ends up on screen for the most part. So while he might be making it sound like Amy 'won' sex by outlasting Sheldon, that is NOT how it comes across on screen at least so far (we'll find out tonight!). So what we get may well be far, far better than how it sounds!

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15 minutes ago, vonmar said:

New Interview...from Extra: http://extratv.com/2015/12/17/sex-sells-jim-parsons-and-mayim-bialik-dish-on-their-big-bang-theory-love-scene/

video in the link

Sex Sells! Jim Parsons & Mayim Bialik Dish on Their ‘Big Bang Theory’ Love Scene

Proton: Do you love this girl?

Sheldon:  YES!

 

ADORABLE!!!!!

 

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Time to go to bed in my part of the world... I'll watch it tomorrow morning local time. So looking forward to it, I rewatch the sneak peek again and again. Glad that the "give it to me" pun works in German, too, because it's so funny. And hot.

Have fun!!!!!!!!

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2 minutes ago, FortCozyMcBlanket said:

I really wonder how Amy would've reacted if Penny and Bernadette hadn't told her about Sheldon's present... 

Panic attack at the very least. lol

1 minute ago, Bavarian ShamyShipper Girl said:

Time to go to bed in my part of the world... I'll watch it tomorrow morning local time. So looking forward to it, I rewatch the sneak peek again and again. Glad that the "give it to me" pun works in German, too, because it's so funny. And hot.

Have fun!!!!!!!!

I'll do the same - see y'all tomorrow! If the forum works, that is.

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20 minutes ago, vonmar said:

New Interview...from Extra: http://extratv.com/2015/12/17/sex-sells-jim-parsons-and-mayim-bialik-dish-on-their-big-bang-theory-love-scene/

video in the link

Sex Sells! Jim Parsons & Mayim Bialik Dish on Their ‘Big Bang Theory’ Love Scene

Jim: We were passing by in the hallway and I asked her "do we f*#&?!" 

Mayim: No you didn't! You said "do we do it?"!!

Jim: No, no... I said the bad word! 

 

I can't tell if it's gonna be Shamy or Majim that will be the death of me :wub:

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1 hour ago, camelliayao said:

The first part, yes, that's what the writers tried to tell us. Don't you think it's a little bit forced? That the only guy she had interests in after their break up is a fan of Sheldon's? If they set her up with a really nice guy and she still found herself unhappy, that may be more convincing. I get it this is a comedy and I looooooooove Dave. Still, not playing fair, writers.

The second part, how I wish you were right.

I guess when they added Amy and Bernie, especially since they portrayed Amy so well even though she didn't have a lot of screen time, I just assumed the show would be more like Friends where the characters are equally focused. Well I was wrong. After season 4 and 5, Amy just went back to do the job she was originally supposed to do on the show, being Sheldon's girlfriend.

Sadly this show was never built like Friends. Howard and Raj are also meant to be secondary to the Big Three, and, really, even know... Amy had far more plots and development (even though it was only about her love life) than Raj! Raj has now been dating Emily for 2 years, we have been told 8 months ago now that he didn't think she was the right one for him and he stayed with her out of fear and there's literally been zero movement in that direction. All in all, as Amy fans, we are even lucky, since technically Amy/Mayim and Bernie/Melissa are meant to be secondary even to Howard/Simon and Raj/Kunal.

I do understand your frustration regarding Dave. I do agree it would have been more interesting to see her turn down a flawless guy, but at the same time Dave wasn't a jerk or anything, he genuinely liked her, obviously didn't have a problem with intimacy and I guess I can see why she asked him out again because... well, there was some Sheldon in him and it's undoubtedly the case that Amy has a type and that type is Sheldon. However, we also have to keep in mind she dated two other guys, who we didn't see, that she was also unhappy with or didn't pursue further. So, yes, in an ideal world we would have had Amy turn down more of a Mr Perfect, but at the end of the day what matters to me is that she didn't go back to Sheldon just because there wasn't another option out there or a better option that would give her "what she wanted", but because he wasn't Sheldon. 

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1 minute ago, FortCozyMcBlanket said:

Jim: We were passing by in the hallway and I asked her "do we f*#&?!" 

Mayim: No you didn't! You said "do we do it?"!!

Jim: No, no... I said the bad word! 

 

I can't tell if it's gonna be Shamy or Majim that will be the death of me :wub:

This was my favorite part! OMG could they be any cuter :wub: 

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12 minutes ago, bluebird said:

This was my favorite part! OMG could they be any cuter :wub: 

For me, it's always funny when someone asks for apologies for cursing, but Jim gets extra points at the cuteness factor!

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I'm super happy with how the break-up/reconciliation has been resolved, but it's comforting to know that Mayim was initially confused too :shy:

“I think we’ve presented a couple who has a lot of mutual respect for each other and appreciate all of the quirky things about each other. Even if they’re unhappy about it at times, it’s something they tolerate and work through, and obviously the breakup at the end of last season was an affront to that.

The breakup was pretty surprising. I didn’t really feel like I necessarily had a handle on why they wanted to do that.”

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18 minutes ago, littleknee said:

I'm super happy with how the break-up/reconciliation has been resolved, but it's comforting to know that Mayim was initially confused too :shy:

“I think we’ve presented a couple who has a lot of mutual respect for each other and appreciate all of the quirky things about each other. Even if they’re unhappy about it at times, it’s something they tolerate and work through, and obviously the breakup at the end of last season was an affront to that.

 

The breakup was pretty surprising. I didn’t really feel like I necessarily had a handle on why they wanted to do that.”

 

AMEN Mayim. Amen.

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3 hours ago, brilliantfool said:

like i said the scenarios i mentioned were the most common ones! And technically i didn't argue with your opinion about Sheldon, but with what you said about desire/panic attacks being mutually exclusive  : ) 

But regarding Sheldon - i believe his issues to react to sexual stuff the way he usually does are mainly :
- germophobia
- religious conditioning
- the fact that he's believed all his life that he's superior to sex, cause it creates problems in a few ways :
   1) he is a person of habit and it is highly uncomfortable for him to change opinion on himself about something, esp. something so monumental
   2) internal pride issues - he's just used to think he's superior to others, and now he's not
   3) external pride issues - others are gonna tease him about it if they find out.

I am not sure exactly which gulp gifs you're referring to cause i've missed the beginning of the conversation, but i guess you mean prom and the catholic school girl?
Now, with catholic school girl i agree, i don't think it's lust/attraction, but i also don't think it's fear. I interpret it as annoyance at Amy that she would not stop trying to change him and would not stop bringing it up again. I don't think it's fear at all, but rather annoyance at the fact she doesn't respect the way he chooses to think and live his life and be in this relationship (i.e. sexless). Annoyance at the fact she's trying to change him. Also i think he's kinda cautious cause he DOES love her, and he doesn't wanna upset her - and he's not THAT  clueless, he understands what's expected of him, he knows she hopes he'll like it, and it puts him in a bad position, that the way he's gonna react is gonan upset her.
I honestly see many layers in this, but basically i think Sheldon had more than just one level of prejudice against sex... Many of us in different life situations reject sex for different reasons (basically what my previous post was about), but deep inside we know it's not true... But Sheldon, i believe he first of all looked down on sex in general as on something lower class and unworthy, so it kinda blocked all his feelings. Then, when that shifted, he got to the other more human level , when you're rejecting it for whatever reason because you don't think you can go throw with it, while actually deep inside you're aware want it.

And so in the prom episode i see his gulps totally as being overwhelmed kind of gulps. I see it as attraction that he doesn't know how to deal with.

I agree the body language you mentioned is 'typical' for lust, BUT for people who don't have many issues / or have issues but don't have a great level of self control. If you have issues (that make you think for w/e reason sex is too overwhelming) AND have great self control, you'll be controlling all the 'usual' urges.. ohh anyway it's getting too long.

Bottom line is, you'll believe Sheldon is asexual, i'll believe he is not, and there's nothing we can do ; )

Regarding the Shenny clip, don't worry , i don't hate Shenny ; ) AND i agree Sheldon had a 'typical' expression of interest/flirt then. BUT to me pilot is not canon, Penny, Leonard and Sheldon are all SUPER different there (in my opinion ) from later seasons... He is not that shy there, and more social. Even his panicky line (one of my favs  haha ) "chat?.. we dont chat! at least not offline!" suggests that he's interested in human interaction, just nervous... In later seasons he acted quite different, and disinterested in human interactions in general usually, not just romantic ones.

PS I can not think of any moments i would consider Sheldon 'flirting' with Amy... Many moments of love, and some moments of sexual innuendos (thanks season 9). But to me those are totally signs of attraction in themselves, actually way more than flirting 

Firstly, to your PS, I goggled 'Sheldon flirting' in video, and the interwebs spat this clip out. I was actually looking for Shamy eye coitus but, as you say, it's not quite there, whereas this one is spot on and, when you're looking for a good flirting/lust example, it's better to find one with the actual actor/character to compare. I also agree that tptb were still exploring with regards to who Sheldon was in the pilot, indeed he was also a semi-pro masturbator in this episode too was he not?

If you're saying that Sheldon's gulp was from nerves or fear of sex, I concur. I disagree on gulping in annoyance though. Gulping is synonymous with fight or flight, it clears the throat of obstruction and lubricates, that's the physiological purpose of it.

I also feel I should clarify that at no point have I said Sheldon "hated" sex with Amy.  I said from reading the report, and now also viewing these sneak peeks, that I felt that sex does not motivate him. My own personal viewpoint is that I would like this to change. To wit I want him to lust for Amy. However, I'd like it to be in an odd and funny way, to be very 'them'.  I really don't want to see anything schmaltzy or workaday. I'd like Shamy sex to be along the lines of the spanking, or the Star Trek cosplay, and I really, really love that "give it to me" misunderstanding, just pure perfect obtuse Sheldoness. And I really, really love 'naughty' Amy too. Now then writers, give me a wicked twinkle in Sheldon's eye and I'm all good.

And now, that's me done on the subject. 

Enjoy the evening fellow Shamys.

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Ok, so you guys are only an hour away from fabulous Shamy coitusness.  I, however, am headed out to a holiday dinner with my in-laws and am not going to get to watch it until probably 10pm Pacific time, so 5 full hours after you.  Bah.  I'm making the difficult choice, though I could check my phone occasionally and see gifs and read everything while my hubby drives, to abstain from the forum until I've seen the episode.  I feel like we've seen sooooooo much I want to experience some of it in real time (like Amy sex hair, for instance.)  So, I won't get a chance to post my thoughts for quite some time, but I'll be thinking of you all jealously while the show is on and you'll probably see a crapton of like and comments from me late tonight.

Have fun!!!!!!!!!!

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50 minutes ago, littleknee said:

It’s interesting to read other people’s perceptions of the Dave storyline. I kind of liked the choices they made with it. To me, Dave was kind of similar to Amy. They were both ultimately good people who were stumbling through difficult relationships and trying something new with no idea of what they were doing. Dave’s crush on Sheldon reminded me of Amy’s crush on Penny in the early seasons. Dave was kind of awkward and shy and said inappropriate things and kind of new he was doing it, and kind of didn’t and kind of couldn’t stop himself.

Amy found someone sweet and kind of like her and who was interested in her. But the point is, she wasn’t interested in him – sure partly because of the whole Sheldon-obsession thing – but mainly because she was waiting for Sheldon because she was completely in love with him.

It kind of worked for me actually. And it kind of paralleled the Vanessa storyline. She was the right person on paper but Sheldon was completely uninterested because he was waiting for Amy. The person he described as wanting to meet from the ad: patient, kind, intelligent, highly educated but with her own unique point of view WAS Amy. And I still think he was subconsciously waiting for her to show up at his door and slammed the door on Vanessa not because she was late but because she wasn’t his little lady. Sheldon’s quirks are a crutch. He busts them out when he doesn’t want to do something and often ignores them when he does. He didn’t want Vanessa, he wanted Amy. They’ve both been waiting for each other.

Absolutely yes! Dave's storyline perfectly served his goal in Shamy's reconciliation, precisely because he was so awesome and looked like a potential good boyfriend for Amy! And so did Vanessa's. However smart, fun, kind or good-looking Dave and Vanessa might be, they were not Sheldon and Amy. I used to not be happy with this date thing, of course, but YKW? Thank goodness it happened! It was an epiphany for them, but for us, too. It has showed us that Sheldon and Amy are undeniably meant for each other. Not that we didn't know that, but it kind of reinforced our thinking in a very hard moment like their break-up... #allhailthedave :wub: and also... #teamdavessa, sorry not sorry :icon_cheesygrin:

Guys, on another note, is that even normal that I've kept saying 'give it to her, Shelly' in my head all day? Is something wrong with me? LOL ;)

BTW, - 1 HOUR!!!!! :yahoo:

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