Ship Zone [Spoilers] Shamy: Season 9

[mphs95]

15 minutes ago, jenafan said: Overall, a very good episode.  

The Shamy coitus was welcome, but I spent more time laughing than melting at the Shamy scenes.  

For one, Sheldon is still clueless.   I cannot believe he had to ask Bernie and Penny if Amy would actually want coitus with him.   Then after so many years of mocking sex, he looked stunned that the girls were questioning his consideration and readiness for it.   Normally, Penny would be like "Finally. Yes.  Go for it."   However, she was actually feeling him out to see if he was sure.    When he acknowledged that it was settled and he would give Amy his genitals for her birthday, he didn't seemed enthused, but more relieved that he found the answer he was seeking and his mind was finally made up about it.

As already stated, it seemed to me that Sheldon was doing it mostly for Amy because he wanted to make her happy and show her how much she means to him, not because he wanted sex, per say.   He made up his mind and went along with his decision, but if it didn't happen, I don't think it would have bothered him at all.    

I'm not trying to be a downer here.   I loved everything they did, but I didn't get the romantic or desire vibes from Sheldon as I had hoped.   It appeared to me like he felt this was something he had to do to make it right for Amy and to take their relationship to the next level.  To me, he is still the same Sheldon as always, but he is thinking about his decisions and making a purposeful attempt not to take Amy for granted and to show her how much she means to him.   As much as Sheldon loves Amy and tries to show his feelings, when left to his own devices, it seems he will always be somewhat methodical rather than idealistic about it.

The fact they cut the cuddling at the end kind of sealed it for me that although Sheldon enjoyed their physical activity, and it was good for both of them, he is still somewhat reserved in expressing himself on an intimate level.  Our romantic hearts want to call it lovemaking, but I think what has been said in the interviews is correct.   To Sheldon, it is in fact just coitus.   If Amy had never entered his life, he'd have no desire whatsoever to ever engage and would have been content to evolve into a superior being to live forever or die as a virgin.

I want to reiterate that I loved what they did, but I got myself hyped up for more than what we got from Sheldon's side.  Perhaps others' view points can help me to see something that I'm not.

On another note, I would have thought Amy would have been more excited about the flowers, after making such a big deal about it last Season, but perhaps the other gift over-shadowed it.

 

Jena, I almost always agree with your take on things, but not this time for the reasons I outlined in my post above. No one pushed Sheldon to this (besides his own subconscious), no one was pressuring him. Things with Amy were better than ever. He did it because he (and Little Sheldon) wanted to, and yes, because he loves Amy and knew it would make her happy.  Of course, he wasn't sure how well it would go or even if he would enjoy it when push came to shove (pun sort of intended). What 37 year old virgin with his hang ups would be?

I'm sorry you were disappointed, but the last scene proved to me he was more than happy with his choice, and it was good for him too. 

I liked his words to PP, "This is an important night for us.". Not just Amy but for both. He wanted it, too.

BTW...my comment from a couple days ago about being sick of discussing Sheldon's "asexuality" apparently rubbed someone the wrong way based on someone's post. All I can say is it was never personal and if you read my comments completely you would know that, others agree with me, and don't ever threaten me on this forum again. It's childish, makes others afraid to speak their mind on here, and totally uncalled for.

With that, one shall remain nameless, I will ignore you as others do. I would rather use my energy to debate one of my fave ships.

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[Soopysue]

3 minutes ago, April said:

I'm digging through some of Mayim's behind the scenes stuff on Grok Nation and their twitter. LMAO

I hope we see that in the bloopers reel next year. ahahahaha

OMG CAN YOU TWO BE ANY MORE ADORABLE???? (Also, getting reminded of early S9: "Amy, I'd like to remind you we made a baby together!")

Mayim, please! lol

You two nailed all of them! hehe

Oh thank goodness!

Thanks April, which kiss is she referring to, do you know ?? 

[mphs95]

28 minutes ago, nickelette424 said: I disagree here.  I think maybe some are missing that HE WANTS AND NEEDS to show Amy how he feels about her.  He wants this as well, even if a lot of that comes from the fact that he knows it will make her happy.  Making someone happy isn't something that it is just for that someone.  It's not a totally selfless act.  We get something out of it as it makes us happy and feel good as well.  There are different ways and reasons why people feel desire or turned on or whatever and here I got the impression that Sheldon's desire for sex came from the need to express to her how he feels.  Some people have sex just to an itch scratched.  Some have sex because they need it as an expression of how they feel.

Also, I found Sheldon extremely romantic.  That whole first scene of them in bed was so beautiful, intimate and romantic.  I found his words of comfort when she was so nervous she seemed near tears, "We can find out together", to be one of the sweetest, most romantic things ever uttered on this show.  His gentle calm to me spoke volumes that he was so sure, so happy and so at peace with what was about to happen.  It is also important to note that he said that this was an important night for BOTH of them, not just her.

No worries.  I think more people are with you than you think.  I see a lot of happy posters here.

I just want to clarify that I never said I wasn't happy.  I loved the episode.   I love where Shamy are at, and I plan to continue writing about it.    I just had some concerns about some of my impressions on Sheldon's actions.

Now I feel bad that expressing myself is harshing everyone's buzz.    I never meant to do that, nor does it mean I am not with you all.  I'm sorry.

I went back and rewatched the episode, and I see things a little more clearly, especially the bold part in your statement.

22 minutes ago, lpm said: If you didn't know the scene was there, you wouldn't have been disappointed because you wouldn't have known.

A very good point you make.   Now I understand why some choose to go spoiler free.

Jena, never be afraid of expressing your opinion. Most on this site will show you their side but not condemn you for it.

Your views are one of my faves to read. I am sometimes too blunt.[emoji4]

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[April]

3 minutes ago, Soopysue said:

Thanks April, which kiss is she referring to, do you know ?? 

This is from her live tweeting so I'm not sure.

[Soopysue]

1 minute ago, April said:

This is from her live tweeting so I'm not sure.

Ah ok, thank you  

[teletalk101]

One of the things I really like about this episode is the subtle ways the writers have shown that Sheldon and Amy are equals in this relationship now.

1. They are both shown, at different points, to be nervous and confident. Both have the opportunity to nudge the other one along so they feel comfortable taking this big step.

2. Sheldon gave up Star Wars to be with Amy and give her something special. Following that, Amy stepped out of her confort zone to go watch a movie with Sheldon she had no interest in because she knew it was important to him. They both sacrificed something to make the other happy and neither one made a big deal about pointing out that they'd given up something for the other. They were both selfless.

[Flaky]

6 hours ago, notchinc said:

Mayim

When Sheldon shows up with flowers and the door is chained, in the first rehearsal, Jim opened the door so hard it broke the lock clear off the door. They fixed it right away but he made sure to be gentler every other time.

They should have kept that!!!!  

Not gonna lie...all that went through my mind after reading the above quote:

Sheldon/Jim bicep appreciation moment

[jenafan]

57 minutes ago, mphs95 said:

Jena, never be afraid of expressing your opinion. Most on this site will show you their side but not condemn you for it.

Your views are one of my faves to read. I am sometimes too blunt.[emoji4]

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Thank you.  As I've mentioned before.  I don't mind opposing opinions.  

I don't like upsetting people or killing happy moods because I express myself. I always feel the need to apologize for another's reaction to the disagreement, not the disagreement itself. 

Regarding the rude poster, even with that one I try to be polite and lighten the mood, but sometimes people want to be grumps if they can't get others to come to their POV instead of respecting others' different perspective.

I'm loving all the positive views about Sheldon's actions last night & the new interviews that have come out.   I loved the episode and all the Sheldon moments, but I now feel more confident that he did want it for himself,  which I didn't feel at first viewing. 

Sometimes I go in with too much expectation.  I get nervous because I do write FF, and my portrayal of him might be a little off, based on my perceptions as much as I try to keep him IC.  

[April]

Digging through the tons of new interviews you guys linked to on the last pages. I'll be sticking to my resolution from yesterday to take what was said with a grain of salt. However, I really liked some bits:

From http://www.tvguide.com/news/the-big-bang-theory-sheldon-amy-sex-postmortem-steve-molaro/

- Molaro talking about how Shamy coitus has been on the writers' table for quite a while now and they've just been waiting for the perfect moment to make it happen was nice to read. It's not something they just threw in there for shits and giggles (obvious Star Wars joke aside) but there was a long build up to it and IMHO you can see that wonderfully with the progress of the characters. Well done!

- I also like how he's emphasizing that they wanted Sheldon to come to this idea on his own because they are very much aware of the dynamic between Amy and him in the past years and having Amy pushing him here would be horrible. Thank goodness. Also makes me hope that they've learned from their mistakes in the past and that they'll be better at handling their dynamic in the future.

- The way he's saying that they'll put Shamy on the back-burner for a bit meshes pretty well with what we know from the next episodes. I also agree with many of you that they'll probably use Amy's absence to figure out how to deal with them in the same room again. How much hippie dippie will they go? Will we see some PDAs in front of the gang? Will Sheldon be able to compartmentalise this new level of physical intimacy with Amy or will he fail hilariously at it?? (Lorre's comment from that other interview gives be a bit of hope that they'll do that but we'll have to wait an see, I guess.)

Speaking of which http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/big-bang-theory-how-will-843827

- I like how Lorre describes Sheldon's interest in sex (or low priority thereof) as a choice he made. This fits very well with what information we got from Sheldon over the years in that he has functional (and aesthetically pleasing! lol) genitals, that the potential for arousal is a cross that he must bear as well, and that he's learned to control it with kolinahr and whatever other technique he may find helpful. He's also been dealing with issues regarding physical intimacy but over the years he's been working on it and we saw him becoming more comfortable with that. For someone who has seen this part of life as something he's always had to/wanted to control, his whole approach in this episode fits perfectly. He's afraid of losing that control and ruining this important night, but when the big moment comes he's relatively calm and afterwards he's able compose himself as well while contemplating how well this went. (Only he and Amy know what went on during those hours in between and judging by Amy's hair... oh my!)

- Anyway, as said, it will be interesting to see how he'll deal with this new level of intimacy: "But this is now part of his psyche. It'll be interesting to see if he can successfully keep it as a part of his life and not let it become a dominating element." That could be so interesting to watch, please make this happen, writers!!

- I also like the way Molaro reflects on the breakup - which is pretty much what we've all been discussing here for weeks and months even. So I'm not going into detail and just say: It's great to be on the same page as the writers!

Gotta run, maybe more later!

[zaichina]

I'm in Shamy heaven watching the episode again and beautiful gifs on tumblr

[MAH_B]

3 hours ago, YlvaBorealis89 said:

While we're on the topic of losing one's virginity, I thought I might lose my "essay virginity". Whoa, I'm a little nervous actually. Okay, here goes:

What I enjoyed most about this episode was that in the midst of all the jokes and laughs (and there were plenty of them! Good ones at that!) there was a healthy portion of realism – in writing as well as execution.

As Sheldon himself tells Penny and Bernadette he’s struggled with intimacy throughout his life, and the concerns he voices are valid. “It’s an important night for both of us” he tells Professor Proton, “and I’ve never done this before. I’m scared I’ll be overwhelmed and ruin everything”.

As hilarious as some of these scenes come across they are also surprisingly poignant, at least to me. It’s a big step for anyone to share one’s body with another person, but for someone who’s essentially spent his entire life in fear of said body it’s a gargantuan task to undertake, one that might actually force him to re-evaluate who he is and how he’s chosen to lead his life. As always, Sheldon approaches this with pragmatism and organization – it’s how he’s always done things and this is no different, and when he has a feeling he knows it. Without hesitation he once again proclaims his love for Amy and lowers his guards enough to actually ask for advice on how to make it perfect for her. It’s incredibly brave, mature, and unselfish of him, and really does confirm that he is – as he says – ready to be intimate with the woman he loves.

Amy cannot believe her luck of course, and for a few blissful seconds she is so wrapped up in her cocoon of love and euphoria that she forgets to stop and really think through what is going to happen. It’s like when you’ve dreamt for years to go sky-diving and you’ve seen pictures and movies and read books, and you’ve imagined yourself up among the clouds and it’s all so beautiful and mind-blowing. But once in that plane you realize it’s four kilometers between you and the ground and what you thought would be a liberating experience becomes frightening instead.

Once in bed together, Amy is so nervous she’s on the verge of crying. She hasn’t had more than a day to think this through, unlike Sheldon. And one tends to forget that while they’re very much alike, they are essentially different people. Sheldon’s expectations are realistic: he knows it might not be perfect – after all, none of them has any experience whatsoever and some fumbling is to be expected – and he also know that it’s okay because they will learn, together. It will be alright. Amy however is afraid she might have set her expectations too high and she’s just realized Sheldon might not be the one who “ruins” it – but Sheldon steps in (for once acting as the voice of reason) and assures her that the most important thing is that they’re in this together. The rest will come in time. Amy’s smile couldn’t say “I love you” more if she tried, and they lean in for a tender kiss that seals their bond and opens the door to a new era in their life together.

The aftermath is both sweet and hilarious, but it still gets a very important message across: they’ve overcome this obstacle together and they were both happy with the end-result. Sheldon quietly but happily contemplates the events of the evening while Amy is lost in her bubble of bliss. They’re different alright, but they’re different together. And that’s what it’s always been about with Shamy.

 

Congrats on losing your essay virginity! Loved it! Especially the bolded parts.

[ShLe94]

I'm a little late to the party (as usual  ) and pretty much everything has been said about this episode, but I just wanted to add a few thoughts... This was an incredibly well done episode, not only because of the Shamy plot, but in its entirety! I found all of it funny as hell. The guys plus Wil Wheaton nailed it, but I have to say that Bob Newhart was incredible (his way of delivering the lines is naturally hilarious, I love it  )!  Kudos to the writers for doing this 

As far as our beloved couple is concerned, well, their scenes were simply perfect. Funny (so glad Mayim's star could shine again last night!), sweet, powerful and incredibly meaningful. I completely agree with what Mayim wrote in her Grok Nation article:

Quote

I commend our writers and producers for making this episode so gentle and so delicate and so well-thought-out. It’s not “just sex” for Amy and Sheldon. It’s the kind of kissing and loving that mommies and daddies do, as Sheldon says.

This was about physical, but most of all emotional intimacy. It was about love. First love, no less. And I totally got it from this episode! In this regard, as much as I loved their scene in the living room (aww, those kisses <3 ) and their super funny post-coital moment, my personal favorite and most 'enlightening' scene, so to speak, was the bed one. Amy's nervousness was perfectly understandable and IC. Not to mention that Mayim played it perfectly, it was extremely sweet... I already knew Sheldon's line 'we can find out together', but the way it was delivered by a - once again - astonishing Jim won me over. Sheldon was into that as much as Amy was. He wanted it. For her, of course, but especially because he's deeply in love with this woman. IDK about you, but this was crystal clear to me! I saw exactly what I wanted to see, so I'm very satisfied  And yes, the kiss which came next was a real gift 

3 hours ago, jjulia said:

Hope my rant makes sense 

Another thing: the future doesn't bother me at all, because...

13 hours ago, stardustmelody said:

The one thing we know for sure is that Sheldon and Amy's relationship is now stronger than ever. "This episode was a huge step for them, but at the same time, they are still very much

Sheldon and Amy," Molaro explained. "I think they're as close as ever and I think this breakup really helped solidify their relationship but I don't expect any huge changes in their dynamic."

The EP continued, "I think it's been an amazing ride for them so far and I think there's a lot more to come for them. They've shared this intimate moment, but they still have years and years of

learning about each other and loving each other more to come."------  Source: etonline

... #santamolaroisback 

Happy Shamy Friday, y'all 

Edited December 18, 2015 by ShLe94

[bigbangsheldon]

 

http://forum.the-big-bang-theory.com/topic/5986-spoilers-shamy-season-9/?page=766#comment-443767 you're welcome

[MAH_B]

Hahahahah. Jim/Sheldon's face when Penny breaks the wine glass is hysterical. He looks like he's alllllmmmmmoooost going to break and bust out laughing, but gets control of himself. So funny! Need to find a gif of this!

This combined with Penny's reaction to the "you shut your damn mouth!" makes me giggle every time!

[kazzie]

5 hours ago, jjulia said:

What I love about this kiss, is that I didn't know this actually happened. At the taping they cut before they kissed.. I had a weird feeling and suspicion they would do this. And I'm mega happy they did!

This kiss as well, their mouths are open when they make contact, this was real life open mouths and not implied.. HOLY FUCK

Guys, I'm still floating here. I'm so happy with the final cut and the perfection in writing! I loved being able to feed you the goods  I hope you all enjoyed the episode and the write up I did yesterday. I will be doing a bit more in terms of blogging about the episode. 

Thanks for everyone for getting involved <3

 

Edited December 18, 2015 by kazzie

[mirs1]

I've just watched the whole episode a couple of times; this morning before work I got to watch some youtube videos, but of course they were out of order, I had the gist it was really good, but now I can say it was fantastic, one of the best ever!!! Everything is perfect for me, sweet but not sappy  for the Shamy part and really I found in it whatever I was looking for.  I'll be checking also some reviews and fan opinions over the internet. It seems to me that TPTB were worried about nothing, almost everybody liked the episode and I saw in the rating thread that it got also good ratings...I mean, all this concern in the interview to whether the public was ready and "don't worry, we won't change the characters" (which is pretty fine, I fell in love with those character for who they are, I don't want to change them...) but it seems to me that for the "general" public it was not a huge deal if they got physical...I remember that when for the premiere there were a lot of complaints on line; of course most of them came from haters, people not watching the show anymore or just trolling; but now there is almost nothing about it, as even the usual trolls or haters have nothing bad to say about the episode!!!LOL!!!

Edited December 18, 2015 by mirs1

[Soopysue]

4 hours ago, April said:

Oh how I hate this quote thingy !!!!

i was trying to quote Kazzie not April, I'm confused lol !!

Anyway - I know how amazing is this kiss - yip open mouthed too !!!!! 

Ive been looking at it all day -  and will continue all night 

IVE JUST REALISED THIS NOW READS LIKE APRIL WROTE AND I QUOTED HER !!!! Sorry I can't fix it  

Edited December 18, 2015 by Soopysue

[Giuseppe]

17 minutes ago, kazzie said:

Guys, I'm still floating here. I'm so happy with the final cut and the perfection in writing! I loved being able to feed you the goods  I hope you all enjoyed the episode and the write up I did yesterday. I will be doing a bit more in terms of blogging about the episode. 

 

I'm glad you were able to... give it to us. #sorrynotsorry

[veejay]

49 minutes ago, MAH_B said:

Hahahahah. Jim/Sheldon's face when Penny breaks the wine glass is hysterical. He looks like he's alllllmmmmmoooost going to break and bust out laughing, but gets control of himself. So funny! Need to find a gif of this!

This combined with Penny's reaction to the "you shut your damn mouth!" makes me giggle every time!

[YlvaBorealis89]

1 hour ago, MAH_B said:

Congrats on losing your essay virginity! Loved it! Especially the bolded parts.

Thank you so much!! Now excuse me while I go tend to my theoretical epic sex hair...

[jlove]

Ok, so I just got to rewatch (some parts several times, not gonna lie!)  Amy's voice at the end is HOARSE.  I guess the "about two hours in bliss" Molaro talked about is more than enough to have that effect.  omg 

[jenafan]

Mayim just posted again:

http://groknation.com/hollywood/lets-talk-about-shamy-sex/

I loved the article, but I think she would be very offended by some of my comments on this forum as of late and probably my FF.

Edited December 18, 2015 by jenafan

[MJistheBOMB]

Watched it again before going to bed last night and I noticed Amy's facial expression/eyes wide when Sheldon was saying he looks forward to doing it again next year on her birthday. Hilarious! Her facial expression said, "No! this was plenty of sex for now!.....oh, next year? That's fine." Hahaha.

 

[jlove]

9 minutes ago, jenafan said:

Mayim just posted again:

http://groknation.com/hollywood/lets-talk-about-shamy-sex/

I loved the article, but I think she would be very offended by some of my comments on this forum as of late.

I am sure she would not gleefully join in on the conversations we have had, and I do get some of what she says. Specifially I LOVE how protective and loving she is to the characters she and Jim have helped bring to life.  However, I am a bit more pragmatic about some of what she discussed than she is.  Maybe it is, in part, because she and I, I think, see feminism a bit differently.  In any case, I'm going to be more speific and descriptive than she was (though not in a vulgar way in this case I think), so if you don't want to read a frank disussion the mechanics of sex, skip on by.

Like I said, I get what Mayim is saying, but I understand why being "good" in sex is more often a question people pose about men, even as she said, when we are talking about 2 virgins.  The simple facts of biology mean that most of the time, most men engaging in intercourse (willingly by choice, especially with someone that they care deeply about) will have an orgasm.  Again speaking stereotypically (based on biology), this usually happens much more quickly and easily for men and the simple act of penetrative intercourse alone is typically enough.  And no, orgasm is not the only criteria for enjoying sex, but it is sort of part and parcel of the experience..for men especially that is what it usually builds to and ends with.  Women, however, are a different story.  So when people ask "if he was good" it is of course a less-frank way of asking if he took the time/effort/whatever to do more than required for his own orgasm and made an effort to help his partner achieve the same thing.  We have all heard the jokes, or heard from someone in real life about the quick "he gets off in no time and she's left there unsatisfied never even having had a chance time-wise to get there herself" experience.  But biologically speaking it is much less likely that those roles are reversed (note I don't say impossible, just less likely).  Not because more men are callous jerks who don't care about satisfying their partners and thus more women are left in the lurch, but just for simple mechanical reasons.  So in the sense that "good at sex = partner orgasming" we have much less reason to wonder "if she was good" (as Mayim says) than if he was.  The question is really multi-faceted when asked of a man: did he 1) know that his partner might need something more/longer/different than he himself and 2) did he use that knowledge and help meet that need?

Of course that in and of itself is a very narrow definition of what makes for good sex and I don't believe in any way that's the only criteria, but when people ask in interviews, or in real life, I think that is the real meaning behind that question.  People think asking "Was he good?" is more delicate than "Did she have an orgasm?" and they're probably right.  Let's just not conflate the two questions and intentions, which is what I think Mayim is (perhaps inadvertently) doing.

As for what we should or shouldn't be discussing here: have at it in whatever way you want in my opinion!  I love these characters.  I love Sheldon's development.  I love to imagine his thought processes and motivations.  Not because I necessarily WANT to be vulgar (in fact, I never really am IRL), but because of all of the above I really enjoy discussing the fact that I think he researched sex, I think he put his research into action and I think he carefully studied Amy's responses and what he learned and used it to bring her pleasure.  I don't find that discussion vulgar, even at the point we're discussing exactly how many time that might have happened.

See, one of the most interesting lines to me in Mayim's post was "What happened between Amy and Sheldon was very special and as an actress, I didn’t feel the need to make the details of my mind or of Jim’s mind or our writers’ minds more public than what we chose to show you in that sweet, funny, awesome episode."

So there WERE details in her mind, in Jim's mind and in the writers' minds.  You honestly have to have some details in mind to convey any certain story.  And they probably dicussed them at some level to determine what they "chose to show [us]".  They know all of the above things I said and that some answers to those questions are in fact important to know exactly what they were portraying at the end of the day.  They told a story based in part on details they had in mind and we watched that story.  And, like all the stories on TBBT, we're analyzing the crap out of it, whether about sex or not.  It's what we do.  I don't see a problem with us discussing those details that were part and parcel to it amongst ourselves either.

Plus, it's fun as hell.  

[FortCozyMcBlanket]

57 minutes ago, jenafan said:

Mayim just posted again:

http://groknation.com/hollywood/lets-talk-about-shamy-sex/

I loved the article, but I think she would be very offended by some of my comments on this forum as of late and probably my FF.

One of the commenters said "I love how Mayim is so protective of Amy" and this is so true! Mayim is working so hard to get her point across (through all the "Shamy finally banged!!!" articles) that for the characters, as well as the actors and writers this milestone was an act of love and trust and way beyond "they finally got laid after 5 and 1/2 years!" I love that she and Jim love their characters so much that they want to make sure their take on the story is heard and not just the answers to the specific interview questions that don't necessarily reflect what each of them really want to emphasize about it. This was a huge moment for them both as actors and as their characters, and it means so much more to them than the media makes it seem! There's a reason these two are always getting Emmy nods  

46 minutes ago, MJistheBOMB said:

Watched it again before going to bed last night and I noticed Amy's facial expression/eyes wide when Sheldon was saying he looks forward to doing it again next year on her birthday. Hilarious! Her facial expression said, "No! this was plenty of sex for now!.....oh, next year? That's fine." Hahaha.

 

She probably needs a year to recover!