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Morning peeps! Let me clear up and give a more in depth shamy reportings!   There were 2 takes of the second kiss... As they finish kissing the first time round. They break apart. Sheld

Ok fellow Shamies, I typed up this report on the plane home just now. I've just landed and have another hour or so until I'll be home, but I thought I'd post this at least for you all real quick.  Sor

Oh...I thought someone has already posted a TR? No? Ok. First of all, English is not my first language, so I may have misunderstood a lot of the lines. Please forgive me if the episode turns out

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24 minutes ago, ShLe94 said:

I have to admit, guys: I'm still on cloud 9. IDK, but right now I just can't see nothing negative in Shamyland. I mean, I can perfectly get the concerns some of you expressed about the future: that break-up was a wild ride for us as Shamy fans, too! I think it's normal to be worried! Personally, after watching over and over again their scenes from 9x10 and 9x11, even knowing that they're physically separated in 9x12 and 9x13, I've kept thinking about how far they've come and I'm more and more convinced that these two are in the best possible place ATM. I have a feeling that the best is yet to come! I think it's perfectly possible that not precisely everything's going to be rainbows and flowers. I'm not expecting that at all, TBQH. I feel the same way as mirs1:

And not only as far as their lovemaking is concerned! All I want is them to be on the same page or, if this isn't the case, to always take the other into account (I'm mainly referring to Sheldon here) and meet him/her halfway. Not only to make the other happy, but also to make himself/herself happy. Because all they both want now is to be together, in every possible way. That's what I got from 9x10 and 9x11! JMO :)

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I'm with you here :) 

Plus I'm loving your gifs !!!! Oh my here's the happy grin again :icon_cheesygrin:

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2 hours ago, 2L344 said:

we think alike on this. the probelm with how the break up originated, and Amy's unconditional return to Sheldon after aquarium, is that it simply makes Amy appear to have had an emotional moment that triggered it. my opinion based on what i saw those first few episodes is that the break up was just another one of Amy's pissed off reactions to something Sheldon said or did (ie., Mars episode). 

So, while we all agree it looks like Shamy is in an idyllic world now that 9.11 has them reaching new found intimacy, and more importantly a balance with both characters and more respect for Amy from Sheldon, little moments like Amy's pointed question towards Sheldon has us wondering if it could happen again....

Despite the ILY exchanges in 9.10 and the heavy make out session we still have little moments that can suggest it can happen again. i dont want to suggest Amy should be afraid to call Sheldon out on stuff but at the same time i dont like how she has reacted to things dramatically as of late without a discussion. i hope she is through with that, but that comment she made makea me doubt it somewhat....

I understand the validity of the concern.  

Amy has always called Sheldon out, even when they were just friends.   She understands Sheldon, and Sheldon understands her.   She knows he doesn't always get it, and he knows she will always set him straight.  He listens to her.  She is his guide.   Amy loves Sheldon for everything that he is, quirks and all.   She's never tried to change him for being this way.   She has, however, tried to reason with him to help him understand how the things he does hurt hers and others' feelings.   Usually, with her, he realizes his mistake and tries in his own way to make it right.   Examples:  the tiara, Spiderman speech, D&D sex, tell her he wants to live on Mars with her, etc.    These gestures on Sheldon's part have always healed the wound created, and Amy goes off all giddy with Sheldon again, bragging about how wonderful of a boyfriend he is in spite of the work to have him as one.

I think Amy's reaction in 8.24 occurred for several reasons.  First, it was a very significant event.  Five years.   We know for sure now that Amy builds things up in her head, sets expectations, and then falters when things don't go her way.   Normally, she is able to brush past it by instigating communication with Sheldon over why she is upset and they work through it.   We don't know how long they were sitting on the couch, but by Sheldon describing it as necking, more may have occurred before we got to see what we did on screen.   She probably thought this was the night she'd at least get Sheldon to reach 2nd base.   Who knows?   In Sheldon's mind, he's touching Amy and thinking about commitment, tying it to another commitment he is struggling with and screws it all up.   As usual, he tried to fix it with "anyway" and leaning in to show her he wanted to continue.   For Sheldon this was probably a huge blow to his ego.   For the first time, he is initiating a continuation of their intimate activity, likely charged up himself.   What does Amy do?   She throws words of ice on him and kills the mood.   I think he sincerely meant that.    As usual, she tried to open up a conversation with him about why she was upset.  Both of them were emotionally charged up and not communicating the way they normally do.  Amy felt rejected and started lashing out with sarcasm.   Sheldon felt rejected because he did not feel he was wrong here.   He knew he was ready to commit to her.   He was trying to be more intimate.   He tried to explain to her that he didn't understand what she was trying to accuse him of because of the way she was presenting her argument to him.   It all got so blown out of proportion to where neither wanted to admit blame.

Secondly, Amy did not know where Sheldon was at in the relationship, and like she told Dave, it was more work than it should be.    She shut down, stopped communicating, and ran from the situation by insisting Sheldon leave her alone.  She probably thought she had all the time in the world, not taking a moment to consider that Sheldon might take the hint and actually move on.   She also didn't take into consideration that by pushing Sheldon out of her life, she was also pushing out their friendship, intellectual stimulation, the fun they had together, and the intimacy they did share (emotionally, kissing, hand-holding, eye coitus over tea).     Amy thought that she was missing more (sex perhaps), but like Sheldon said at the aquarium, how can she miss something that she has never had?    I think Amy had reservations about the break up from the beginning, but after Sheldon's brilliant comment (and I do think he was referring to more than just the game), she realized he was right.   She was happy with what they had and threw their whole relationship away over an idea, one that she found no more fulfilling with anyone else.   Yes her relationship with Sheldon was bent, but she broke it by being silly and not giving Sheldon a chance to do his thing and make it up to her in his own way.  

The break up was based on an emotional reaction, with no intent for it to go as far as it did.   Again, based on emotion, Amy assumed she could get the relationship back, and Sheldon's rejection stung.   She did not expect for Sheldon to shoot her down.  Finally, she was feeling exactly the way she had made Sheldon feel for (6) months, and again she made an emotional decision to call Dave back for another date after the previous one failed.  

As the saying goes, turnabout is fair play, although I don't think Sheldon's rejection was retaliatory at all.   He honestly believed friendship would be enough at this point and perhaps she did deserve better than what he could provide.  In the end, Sheldon realized that he wanted and needed more than friendship with Amy.   However, more importantly, he realized he could be a good man to Amy because of the influence she has had in his life, making him capable of being soft and being able to love.   She was the key to his happiness, and he went running after her.   Being capable of love didn't change who he is, but perhaps how he reacts to knowledge and his own conscience when taking into consideration another person.   We see him doing this now.    When he told her that he really wants to be her boyfriend,  I think he meant it, and he's going to try to be one, although he won't get it 100% right.   

Sheldon was not wrong in his assumption that Amy would understand how important seeing SW is to him and that him seeing it would make her happy.   Amy has always yielded to his interests, because his happiness has always been paramount to her.   That is how she succeeded in increasing the speed at which Sheldon fell in love with her.   Amy knows Sheldon needs this kind of attention, and she is willing to provide (bobble-head bribe to remain at a baseball game anyone?).  Sheldon knows Amy's willingness to give and concede in favor of his interests, and has always used this to his advantage.  He's not going to suddenly stop being who he is because he got Amy back.   The difference is that now he recognizes when or if someone is calling him out for being selfish, and he is choosing to do something about it before action instead of offering apologies later.

On the phone call about spending her birthday with her, Amy still knows Sheldon.   People don't change who they are, per say, but one can change their behavior and their reactions to a situation.   To Amy, the value of the relationship, is worth the work now, because she understands what she threw away with Sheldon and will hold onto it for dear life, now that she has it back.  

Sheldon admitted to Amy that his first thought was to be selfish (indicating his default setting) but then showed her that she is indeed his priority by telling her he changed his mind and will be spending her birthday with her (a choice because she is more important).  However, that doesn't mean Amy is not going to call him out for his original intention.   Sheldon showed maturity again by not escalating the overreaction into conflict in insisting that she should be satisfied by the result rather than complain about how he came about it.   He did the right thing by ending the phone call, and that made all the different in the end result.  

I have to take back some of what I have said in the past, because I do believe Amy learned something from the break up, and that is not to take Sheldon for granted.   He may not express himself in a conventional manner, but she knows now to stop and ask for clarification before jumping to conclusions.   She knows he loves her and is vesting in their relationship because he wants to be her boyfriend, not just to keep her for the sake of having her around.    For one thing, she knows now that whatever sacrifice she makes on Sheldon's behalf, can and may result in all the kissing and necking on the couch she wants, which is more than she had before.   There won't be anymore of this "I feel the urge to hug you." Sheldon pauses for it to pass.  "Ok, we are good."  

Amy now is getting something in return for her work; a real boyfriend from the man she really and truly wants and loves, along with being able to express it with physical intimacy.  If she wants to reach out and put her hand on his shoulder or kiss him, he's not going to cower anymore.   

With all this, I really don't think she will ever walk away angry again, nor will Sheldon let her.    They are on the same page now, and anything that comes up in the future will be worked out together immediately, before escalating out of control, as all couples who value each other and their relationships do.    This includes healing through their physical relationship, now that they have one.   A touch from your partner can make all the difference in the world to cover over hurt and insight forgiveness for a mistake or misunderstanding.     I see more of this in their future, where instead of buying gifts to say "I'm sorry," to Amy, Sheldon is now capable of expressing it and showing her from his heart.

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1 hour ago, rachelshamyfan said:

But of course we know that they probably will do it many times before then

This could lead to some very amusing stories, with them doing it on the quiet.

By quiet, I am, of course, speaking figuratively.

Amy strikes me as being a noisy one, in the sack.

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Amazing post Jenafan, totally agree. 

I also loved the phone call , with Sheldon realising that oops not a good idea to go any further with the chat in case her made her mad , when actually he'd come to the right conclusion himself anyway - she is his priority :) . Plus the fake yawn and phone call exit was funny ! 

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It's funny to see the non-fans talking about the episode before it airs and after.

Before, that were comments at some fan pages and youtube like:
"I hope he dump Amy and get back being to the robotic Sheldon I love"  
"I bet that this is just a dream"
"Something will happen and they'll not have sex, I can feel it"
"Even Sheldon had sex in 2015 and I did not" (that one was sad)

And after, at the same places:
"Why he didn't took Amy to the movies and sex with her there while watching Star Wars? It would solve everything!"
"While you guys were watching Star Wars, Sheldon was having sex" (and then someone answered "yeah, but with his butt!". I hate when people confuse actors with characters).
"It wasn't a bazinga!" (followed by a shocked emoji)
"~~picture of Luke Skywalker screaming 'nooooooooo'~~"

They're so funny!

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On 2015年12月19日 at 2:53 AM, Listgirl said:

Post coitus Sheldon debate: I'm ok with the scene apart from the lack of mussed up hair on Sheldon's part which was a bit annoying. They were drawing direct parallels with the guys so everyone was paralysed. The gag wouldn't work if they moved.

I'm sympathetic to those who need to see the cuddle however we have had lots of confirmation regarding the emotional connection between Shamy in 9.10 and 9.11  and that scene seemed in the final cut to be mainly about realised expectations for Shamy and the film goers so adding the cuddle was possibly playing just too sweet at that point in the episode with the gag in full swing.  They were obviously in two minds tho' as it was taped. 

The handholding was super cute and the type of physical contact they are most familiar and comfortable with. They could have been lying there in a state of shock each clutching the sheets to their own chests. However they were touching, Sheldon's eyelids were drooping gorgeously and his accent had slipped into the Texan drawl which emphasised his own blissed out state to go with Amy's. In that moment it was about the act itself and their response to it not about showing again how in love they are. Also there was a hint of Sheldon's undoubted prowess, I thought, due to the calm and satisfied state of him a kind of 'yep I nailed that' relief. No pun intended.  

I suppose the interesting question is if there was no cuddle taped would we still be missing it? 

First of all, I concur with all of this. 
Other than showing parallel between two plot lines, from what I remembered how the hug scene being described, they both contentedly closed their eyes afterwards, which would suggest that 1) they both drift off and 2) Sheldon stayed overnight, yet 1)would be kinda incoherent because they haven't ate dinner, and 2) would mean they're in a extremely comfortable state with each other and make people thinking they'll soon move in together.
Though I can't deny that at first I was a little bit disappointed about the post-coitus hug being cut out, I completely understand why TPTB decided to edit that part out, it's actually the right decision, I would have done the same if I was them, because that would be a new level of comfort and closeness between Sheldon and Amy that we've never seen before. However, it's kinda illogical for them to act so relaxed and comfortable after their first time, It's too soon for Sheldon and even Amy to show so much affection to each other,they're too new and shy to share a post-coitus cuddle at this stage. After all, the focus here is what they have finally accomplished, to add more action afterward would be superfluous.

Hopefully they will give us another satisfying post coitus cuddle in the near future. 

 

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9 hours ago, Einstein Von Brainstorm said:

From http://tbbt-faves.tumblr.com

Sheldon before Amy walks into the room:

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Sheldon as soon as he sees Amy:

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This is the man who refused to high five Raj a few episodes ago about to be physically intimate for the first time, he's clearly anxious until he sees her and then he's suddenly fine because "if you're with the right person it'll be ok"

... if anyone needs me I'll be over in this corner having died a Shamy related death ok?! 

What episode is that? It's going to bother me until I know. Haha. I may have to go back and rewatch them all. 

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1 hour ago, jenafan said:

I understand the validity of the concern.  

Amy has always called Sheldon out, even when they were just friends.   She understands Sheldon, and Sheldon understands her.   She knows he doesn't always get it, and he knows she will always set him straight.  He listens to her.  She is his guide.   Amy loves Sheldon for everything that he is, quirks and all.   She's never tried to change him for being this way.   She has, however, tried to reason with him to help him understand how the things he does hurt hers and others' feelings.   Usually, with her, he realizes his mistake and tries in his own way to make it right.   Examples:  the tiara, Spiderman speech, D&D sex, tell her he wants to live on Mars with her, etc.    These gestures on Sheldon's part have always healed the wound created, and Amy goes off all giddy with Sheldon again, bragging about how wonderful of a boyfriend he is in spite of the work to have him as one.

I think Amy's reaction in 8.24 occurred for several reasons.  First, it was a very significant event.  Five years.   We know for sure now that Amy builds things up in her head, sets expectations, and then falters when things don't go her way.   Normally, she is able to brush past it by instigating communication with Sheldon over why she is upset and they work through it.   We don't know how long they were sitting on the couch, but by Sheldon describing it as necking, more may have occurred before we got to see what we did on screen.   She probably thought this was the night she'd at least get Sheldon to reach 2nd base.   Who knows?   In Sheldon's mind, he's touching Amy and thinking about commitment, tying it to another commitment he is struggling with and screws it all up.   As usual, he tried to fix it with "anyway" and leaning in to show her he wanted to continue.   For Sheldon this was probably a huge blow to his ego.   For the first time, he is initiating a continuation of their intimate activity, likely charged up himself.   What does Amy do?   She throws words of ice on him and kills the mood.   I think he sincerely meant that.    As usual, she tried to open up a conversation with him about why she was upset.  Both of them were emotionally charged up and not communicating the way they normally do.  Amy felt rejected and started lashing out with sarcasm.   Sheldon felt rejected because he did not feel he was wrong here.   He knew he was ready to commit to her.   He was trying to be more intimate.   He tried to explain to her that he didn't understand what she was trying to accuse him of because of the way she was presenting her argument to him.   It all got so blown out of proportion to where neither wanted to admit blame.

Secondly, Amy did not know where Sheldon was at in the relationship, and like she told Dave, it was more work than it should be.    She shut down, stopped communicating, and ran from the situation by insisting Sheldon leave her alone.  She probably thought she had all the time in the world, not taking a moment to consider that Sheldon might take the hint and actually move on.   She also didn't take into consideration that by pushing Sheldon out of her life, she was also pushing out their friendship, intellectual stimulation, the fun they had together, and the intimacy they did share (emotionally, kissing, hand-holding, eye coitus over tea).     Amy thought that she was missing more (sex perhaps), but like Sheldon said at the aquarium, how can she miss something that she has never had?    I think Amy had reservations about the break up from the beginning, but after Sheldon's brilliant comment (and I do think he was referring to more than just the game), she realized he was right.   She was happy with what they had and threw their whole relationship away over an idea, one that she found no more fulfilling with anyone else.   Yes her relationship with Sheldon was bent, but she broke it by being silly and not giving Sheldon a chance to do his thing and make it up to her in his own way.  

The break up was based on an emotional reaction, with no intent for it to go as far as it did.   Again, based on emotion, Amy assumed she could get the relationship back, and Sheldon's rejection stung.   She did not expect for Sheldon to shoot her down.  Finally, she was feeling exactly the way she had made Sheldon feel for (6) months, and again she made an emotional decision to call Dave back for another date after the previous one failed.  

As the saying goes, turnabout is fair play, although I don't think Sheldon's rejection was retaliatory at all.   He honestly believed friendship would be enough at this point and perhaps she did deserve better than what he could provide.  In the end, Sheldon realized that he wanted and needed more than friendship with Amy.   However, more importantly, he realized he could be a good man to Amy because of the influence she has had in his life, making him capable of being soft and being able to love.   She was the key to his happiness, and he went running after her.   Being capable of love didn't change who he is, but perhaps how he reacts to knowledge and his own conscience when taking into consideration another person.   We see him doing this now.    When he told her that he really wants to be her boyfriend,  I think he meant it, and he's going to try to be one, although he won't get it 100% right.   

Sheldon was not wrong in his assumption that Amy would understand how important seeing SW is to him and that him seeing it would make her happy.   Amy has always yielded to his interests, because his happiness has always been paramount to her.   That is how she succeeded in increasing the speed at which Sheldon fell in love with her.   Amy knows Sheldon needs this kind of attention, and she is willing to provide (bobble-head bribe to remain at a baseball game anyone?).  Sheldon knows Amy's willingness to give and concede in favor of his interests, and has always used this to his advantage.  He's not going to suddenly stop being who he is because he got Amy back.   The difference is that now he recognizes when or if someone is calling him out for being selfish, and he is choosing to do something about it before action instead of offering apologies later.

On the phone call about spending her birthday with her, Amy still knows Sheldon.   People don't change who they are, per say, but one can change their behavior and their reactions to a situation.   To Amy, the value of the relationship, is worth the work now, because she understands what she threw away with Sheldon and will hold onto it for dear life, now that she has it back.  

Sheldon admitted to Amy that his first thought was to be selfish (indicating his default setting) but then showed her that she is indeed his priority by telling her he changed his mind and will be spending her birthday with her (a choice because she is more important).  However, that doesn't mean Amy is not going to call him out for his original intention.   Sheldon showed maturity again by not escalating the overreaction into conflict in insisting that she should be satisfied by the result rather than complain about how he came about it.   He did the right thing by ending the phone call, and that made all the different in the end result.  

I have to take back some of what I have said in the past, because I do believe Amy learned something from the break up, and that is not to take Sheldon for granted.   He may not express himself in a conventional manner, but she knows now to stop and ask for clarification before jumping to conclusions.   She knows he loves her and is vesting in their relationship because he wants to be her boyfriend, not just to keep her for the sake of having her around.    For one thing, she knows now that whatever sacrifice she makes on Sheldon's behalf, can and may result in all the kissing and necking on the couch she wants, which is more than she had before.   There won't be anymore of this "I feel the urge to hug you." Sheldon pauses for it to pass.  "Ok, we are good."  

Amy now is getting something in return for her work; a real boyfriend from the man she really and truly wants and loves, along with being able to express it with physical intimacy.  If she wants to reach out and put her hand on his shoulder or kiss him, he's not going to cower anymore.   

With all this, I really don't think she will ever walk away angry again, nor will Sheldon let her.    They are on the same page now, and anything that comes up in the future will be worked out together immediately, before escalating out of control, as all couples who value each other and their relationships do.    This includes healing through their physical relationship, now that they have one.   A touch from your partner can make all the difference in the world to cover over hurt and insight forgiveness for a mistake or misunderstanding.     I see more of this in their future, where instead of buying gifts to say "I'm sorry," to Amy, Sheldon is now capable of expressing it and showing her from his heart.

i agree with most of what you said here but Im a little more pessimistic I think when it comes to Amy's reaction to hearing what Sheldon's original intention was when it came to her birthday. She knows he made her the choice because he told her so. So what was the purpose of taking issue with his original intention? And Sheldon could have simply told her that yes, he was excited about the premier and had been for a while, but given the recent development in their renewed relationship he changed his mind. Instead he considers where her line of questioning was going and chickens out and hangs up with the tried and trued "wow look at the time!" kind of brush off.

I totally get theyve come a long way and I am so eager to see whats in store for Shamy. But after the roller coaster ride of season 9 Im not quite there yet when it comes to believing we are done with the potential of another blow out. 

The fact Amy was still calling Sheldon out on his intention despite knowing it was irrelevant at that point makes me wonder if she's truly not going to take Sheldon for granted. i truly hope neither one goes there again.

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6 hours ago, wowbagger said:

Ugh, yes. I had the 'uh oh' moment as well. And please, no more of that, writers. It doesn't show either Sheldon or Amy in a good light if you are continually having Sheldon fail tests like this- not least because you are only ever giving the tests to Sheldon, and you are continually making Amy sound like she is never happy. Even when her concerns are perfectly valid, it is a tiresome note to give Amy to be continually exasperated or disappointed, because guess what? We will register it as 'The saga of the fuckup and his put-upon mother/lover'.

Thankfully, the rest of the episode IMMEDIATELY went pretty much all the way to correct that little hiccup. Sheldon and Amy took turns reassuring and comforting each other, helping each other over hazards and rough places. It was wonderful. The one other hairy moment was when Sheldon said 'I can't wait for your next birthday to do that again', and Amy's face seemed to fall, and I went 'OH DON'T YOU DARE SHOW', before Amy seemed to calculate 'Well, it'll probably take me about that long to recover the use of my legs', beamed happily and said 'WORKS FOR ME!'

Phew. You win, show. You win.

the bold part lol!! yeah thanks, you said it better than i did...i really DO hope that with the end of 9.11 we have the beginning of a new type of Shamy, and it would make me feel a whole lot better if we could dispense with some of the third degree from Amy when possible. its not that there isnt validity to some if not all of her issues when it comes to sheldon's decision making, but i would like her to use some discretion when picking her battles. it just seemed like the show was heading to a point where we saw a lot more of an annoyed Amy than the Amy who laughed WITH sheldon. the writers can change that, if they choose...

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9 hours ago, RoX said:

I love, love, love the episode. IMO the couch scene is the most adorable of all. When Amy says "yes", I just can't handle this cuteness. (I love Mayim, she is a wonderful actress)

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And when she explains Sheldon she knows what his gift was.... Ahhhh so cute!!!!

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And the kiss... It's too much! Do you want me dead of pure Shamy cuteness or what?!

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:girlinlove:

(Gifs from tbbt-faves.tumblr.com )

I can't even begin to handle how adorable Mayim is! And she looked so pretty in this episode simply because she was allowed to smile :wub:

 

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3 hours ago, 2L344 said:

i agree with most of what you said here but Im a little more pessimistic I think when it comes to Amy's reaction to hearing what Sheldon's original intention was when it came to her birthday. She knows he made her the choice because he told her so. So what was the purpose of taking issue with his original intention? And Sheldon could have simply told her that yes, he was excited about the premier and had been for a while, but given the recent development in their renewed relationship he changed his mind. Instead he considers where her line of questioning was going and chickens out and hangs up with the tried and trued "wow look at the time!" kind of brush off.

I totally get theyve come a long way and I am so eager to see whats in store for Shamy. But after the roller coaster ride of season 9 Im not quite there yet when it comes to believing we are done with the potential of another blow out. 

The fact Amy was still calling Sheldon out on his intention despite knowing it was irrelevant at that point makes me wonder if she's truly not going to take Sheldon for granted. i truly hope neither one goes there again.

I liked Amy calling him out on it, he made a stupid statement and she was asking for an explanation. This is better than getting mad and fighting with him over it like in 8x24.  We now have a new and improved Shamy, better than before, but perfect...nope.  Sheldon and Amy have both learned and grown, but they are still Sheldon and Amy. He will still mess up, she will still coach him along, she will still push him forward, he will still resist.  BUT, he now will be more self-aware enough to recognize when he has crossed a line, her coaching will have more gentleness, her pushing will because she wants things for both of them - not just because of her expectations, his resistance will be less harsh, less personal.   

From the Vulture review of the episode.....

Sheldon's still Sheldon, and Amy's still Amy. Amy and Sheldon's first night together honors the show's characters by showing they've evolved, and by doing so without trashing everything the writers built for eight-and-a-half seasons.

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When the episode returns to the duo in the afterglow of their inaugural intercourse (another term of which I think Sheldon would approve), both express satisfaction with the experience. Sheldon says to a smiling Amy, with her hair all askew, "I look forward to your next birthday, when we do it again." And the thing is, I think he means it. So, score one for Amy — and for Sheldon. Miss Fowler still has some work cut out for her, though. Sheldon's still Sheldon.

http://www.vulture.com/2015/12/big-bang-theory-recap-season-9-episode-11.html

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3 hours ago, 2L344 said:

the bold part lol!! yeah thanks, you said it better than i did...i really DO hope that with the end of 9.11 we have the beginning of a new type of Shamy, and it would make me feel a whole lot better if we could dispense with some of the third degree from Amy when possible. its not that there isnt validity to some if not all of her issues when it comes to sheldon's decision making, but i would like her to use some discretion when picking her battles. it just seemed like the show was heading to a point where we saw a lot more of an annoyed Amy than the Amy who laughed WITH sheldon. the writers can change that, if they choose...

I couldn't agree more.

I want to see Amy swoon again over Sheldon's eidetic memory and the way he expresses himself.  I miss the Amy that would have been elated to walk to the mail box with him as he recited the calculation for pie and lectured a waiter on the history of Cornish game, or whatever it was.    Where's the Amy been whose underpants caught on fire at the mention of the relationship agreement?

I'm tired the sexually frustrated Amy who went from practically orgasming everything Sheldon to finding an issue with every little thing he says or does.   We constantly hear her calling Sheldon out, while her flaws are covered over as poor Amy.    We've heard Sheldon call her out about her lying, but he doesn't harp on it.   It's seems he accepts that she does this and deals with it when it comes up.

I'm a little put off about the last TR with her leaving Sheldon to his own devices because he is a bad patient when he is sick.   So, is she going to avoid him every time he get sick?   He's her partner for goodness sakes.   Suck it up, and be there for your man.   Sheldon does it to Amy, he's a bad boyfriend.   Amy does it to Sheldon, and it is justified because he is a jerk.   Double-standard?

So, I see your point.   Will Amy reach a stage again where she is just burned out and tired of Sheldon's difficulties?   Now that they are physical, and the euphoria wears off, will she pressure Sheldon for another hit while he resists because he's not ready.  Will the viewers look down on him because of it and because he did say he enjoyed it, so why not?   He said in a year, and at the time, means it.   He didn't mislead or lie.   However, should Amy want it before then and he agrees, we will all be elated.    If he doesn't, then some will side with Amy like how dare Sheldon make her have to wait after giving her the time of her life.   We neglect to see that Amy is the one in the wrong for expecting something Sheldon never promised.    The same happened before the break up.   Everyone was like poor Amy because she wasn't getting any, but many failed to say poor Sheldon because he was being pressured into something he wasn't ready for and never gave any indication exactly when he would be, only that he might.  

I really sincerely hope that they are past all that.    Not only do I want Amy to brag to others that Sheldon is a good boyfriend, but I want her to see it for herself and appreciate him as much as he seems to do her now.   I hope they will continue to work together as a team and grow in love and respect for each other rather than as two individuals who tolerate each other and battle for wills just for the sake of being together and enjoying an earth-shattering coital moment once a year.

4 hours ago, 2L344 said:

The fact Amy was still calling Sheldon out on his intention despite knowing it was irrelevant at that point makes me wonder if she's truly not going to take Sheldon for granted. i truly hope neither one goes there again.

I can only speak from experience, but I know my partner calls me out because many times I focus on how I got my way on something, rather than the fact that I did, which is the most important.  

Rather than focus on the fact that I had to beg him to go see a chick-flick with me, I should appreciate that he finally did.   Not always.  Sometimes I just want to be mad that he didn't just give me an automatic yes when I asked, even though I did eventually get what I wanted.

Amy may be elated that Sheldon is going to spend her birthday with her, but in the back of her mind, she is still irritated that she wasn't his first choice.   Keep in mind, that she probably is not aware of the fact that he got the tickets when they were broken up, and for that reason, I can't blame him for his argument that he should go.   

For the sake of his relationship and love for Amy, he made the right choice, and that should be Amy's focus, not that she wasn't the first choice.

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The psychic told Sheldon that everything would fall into place once he commits to her... Do you think the writers will show in some way that now that Sheldon and Amy have an intimate relationship, Sheldon's life will get better? As the psychic said, personally and professionally... I mean, not necessary remembering the psychic, but demonstrating in the show that from now on his/their life will get better, for example, with Sheldon and Leonard making a new discovery or advance in their theory, or something like that... What do you think??

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1 hour ago, RoX said:

The psychic told Sheldon that everything would fall into place once he commits to her... Do you think the writers will show in some way that now that Sheldon and Amy have an intimate relationship, Sheldon's life will get better? As the psychic said, personally and professionally... I mean, not necessary remembering the psychic, but demonstrating in the show that from now on his/their life will get better, for example, with Sheldon and Leonard making a new discovery or advance in their theory, or something like that... What do you think??

Of course! (I guess). He is fully committed to her, physically and emotionally. Their relationship is the most important thing to him and she is the most important person in his life, the one, the human being he most care about. She softened his life, and things are already changing positively: by the info we have, we know that the paper that he and Leonard wrote together was pretty good and if it wasn't, the swedish team wouldn't try to steal it. I feel that more is yet to come. I'd love to see how Sheldon made Amy's life better too. She made friends, a 2nd family, but what about her professional life and those monkeys of hers? 

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1 hour ago, vonmar said:

I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with you here..

I don't want doe-eyed Amy breathlessly hanging on Sheldon's every word. I want Counterfactuals playing, Head's Up playing Amy. I want basket weaving and the Science Museum.  I want two adults in a relationship, not teenagers crushing on each other.

I've been married to the hubs for 30+ years and he is the biggest SOB when he is sick.  The kids and I avoid him like he is the devil himself, want me to make you soup, say please and thank you like your mamma taught you.  Same for you Dr. Cooper and good for Amy for ditching him.  Maybe he will learn something from it or maybe not.  

When Sheldon said the "I can't wait until your next birthday" line and Amy responded, she was in a state of euphoria.."Fine by me".  Come daylight, Amy will realize what he said.  The game is not over in my opinion. She's got the girls, she's got Penny and Leonard.  They were his touchstones in their first time.  Shamy 2.0 will not be about desperation but maybe instead a bit of giggly advice, roommate conversations and awareness by Sheldon that "he enjoyed it more that he thought he would" and he wants that physical connection to happen again.

Just me.... 

I stand corrected and agree with your disagreements.   I got a bit carried away, and you make very valid points that I like better than my own.

My point is that I want Amy to stop being so critical and to pick her battles instead of making one out of every word that comes out of Sheldon's mouth.   So, what if he originally wanted to spend her birthday at SW?  The point is that he chose to spend it with her.   He outted himself, and then she tried to make an issue of it, even though he made the right choice.   She did the same thing with the flash comment.   Sheldon tried to make amends and continue their make out, but she wouldn't let it go.

 

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2 hours ago, jenafan said:

I couldn't agree more.

I want to see Amy swoon again over Sheldon's eidetic memory and the way he expresses himself.  I miss the Amy that would have been elated to walk to the mail box with him as he recited the calculation for pie and lectured a waiter on the history of Cornish game, or whatever it was.    Where's the Amy been whose underpants caught on fire at the mention of the relationship agreement?

I'm tired the sexually frustrated Amy who went from practically orgasming everything Sheldon to finding an issue with every little thing he says or does.   We constantly hear her calling Sheldon out, while her flaws are covered over as poor Amy.    We've heard Sheldon call her out about her lying, but he doesn't harp on it.   It's seems he accepts that she does this and deals with it when it comes up.

I'm a little put off about the last TR with her leaving Sheldon to his own devices because he is a bad patient when he is sick.   So, is she going to avoid him every time he get sick?   He's her partner for goodness sakes.   Suck it up, and be there for your man.   Sheldon does it to Amy, he's a bad boyfriend.   Amy does it to Sheldon, and it is justified because he is a jerk.   Double-standard?

So, I see your point.   Will Amy reach a stage again where she is just burned out and tired of Sheldon's difficulties?   Now that they are physical, and the euphoria wears off, will she pressure Sheldon for another hit while he resists because he's not ready.  Will the viewers look down on him because of it and because he did say he enjoyed it, so why not?   He said in a year, and at the time, means it.   He didn't mislead or lie.   However, should Amy want it before then and he agrees, we will all be elated.    If he doesn't, then some will side with Amy like how dare Sheldon make her have to wait after giving her the time of her life.   We neglect to see that Amy is the one in the wrong for expecting something Sheldon never promised.    The same happened before the break up.   Everyone was like poor Amy because she wasn't getting any, but many failed to say poor Sheldon because he was being pressured into something he wasn't ready for and never gave any indication exactly when he would be, only that he might.  

I really sincerely hope that they are past all that.    Not only do I want Amy to brag to others that Sheldon is a good boyfriend, but I want her to see it for herself and appreciate him as much as he seems to do her now.   I hope they will continue to work together as a team and grow in love and respect for each other rather than as two individuals who tolerate each other and battle for wills just for the sake of being together and enjoying an earth-shattering coital moment once a year.

I can only speak from experience, but I know my partner calls me out because many times I focus on how I got my way on something, rather than the fact that I did, which is the most important.  

Rather than focus on the fact that I had to beg him to go see a chick-flick with me, I should appreciate that he finally did.   Not always.  Sometimes I just want to be mad that he didn't just give me an automatic yes when I asked, even though I did eventually get what I wanted.

Amy may be elated that Sheldon is going to spend her birthday with her, but in the back of her mind, she is still irritated that she wasn't his first choice.   Keep in mind, that she probably is not aware of the fact that he got the tickets when they were broken up, and for that reason, I can't blame him for his argument that he should go.   

For the sake of his relationship and love for Amy, he made the right choice, and that should be Amy's focus, not that she wasn't the first choice.

First, I was disappointed too that Amy deliberately avoided Sheldon when he was sick. I mean he's her boyfriend! Isn't that what a girlfriend do? To take care of her sick boyfriend? Besides, Sheldon took care of her when she was sick. But then I realized that was just a lousy excuse/joke for the writers to keep Amy away for another week.

Second, I have to say I wish they didin't have sex. Don't get me wrong, I couldn't be happier that they're intimate. But I always thought when they finally do it, it'll be like the train kiss which happens natually. So when I read the TR and knew their sex was a gift, I was a little surprised. However, in the TR, their first time was described very sweet and lovely. And that worked for me too.

Then when I finally saw the entire episode, I was so very sad at it, from the line "Intimacy in any form has been challenging for me but I’d like to show her how important she is. And it feels like now maybe the right time" to Sheldon's extremely calm face, to the weird kisses on the coach (compared to the ones in ET's interview). Yes the kiss in bed was great but all the other things just felt wrong. I have a friend who also watches the show but is not a Shamy fan, he said it felt like two scientists doing some experiment. Exactly what I was feeling, I didn't feel passion or love. It all felt a bit clinical.

What really set me off was Chuck Lorri's interview, it felt like they finally decided to keep Sheldon somewhat asexual and I just couldn't believe it. I mean after all the build up, like the train kiss, their 824 kiss, the "anyway" line, the "I have urges" confession, which clearly showed Sheldon is attracted to Amy's body (at least a little bit), they now decide Sheldon is not interested in sex from beginning to the end? I was so confused. I get it they don't want Sheldon to change too much. But they've already changed him gradually during the past seasons, why stop and go back to point zero now???

I have to say if this is where the story is going, I wouldn't be able to enjoy Shamy any more. I just can't imagine how horrible it would be with a Shamy 2.0 where Sheldon only has sex because Amy needs it and they work out a schedule together somehow??? I mean that's like the worst thing I can ever imagine.

 

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3 minutes ago, camelliayao said:

Second, I have to say I wish they didin't have sex. Don't get me wrong, I couldn't be happier that they're intimate. But I always thought when they finally do it, it'll be like the train kiss which happens natually. So when I read the TR and knew their sex was a gift, I was a little surprised. However, in the TR, their first time was described very sweet and lovely. And that worked for me too.

First time sex, especially for two inexperienced adults one of which has extreme phobias about germs, needs planning time!]

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Then when I finally saw the entire episode, I was so very sad it, from the line "Intimacy in any form has been challenging for me but I’d like to show her how important she is. And it feels like now maybe the right time" to Sheldon's extremely calm face, to the weird kisses on the coach (compared to the ones in ET's interview). Yes the kiss in bed was great but all the other things just felt wrong. I have a friend who also watches the show but is not a Shamy fan, he said it felt like two scientists doing some experiment. Exactly what I was feeling, I didn't feel passion or love. It all felt a bit clinical.

This didn't seem passionate to you?

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What really set me off was Chuck Lorri's interview, it felt like they finally decided to keep Sheldon somewhat asexual and I just couldn't believe it. I mean after all the build up, like the train kiss, their 824 kiss, the "anyway" line, the "I have urges" confession, which clearly showed Sheldon is attracted to Amy's body (at least a little bit), they now decide Sheldon is not interested in sex from beginning to the end? I was so confused. I get it they don't want Sheldon to change too much. But they've already changed him gradually during the past seasons, why stop and go back to point zero now???

 

I'm a bit confused by this bit, which interview are you referring to? Cus I did not get that vibe at all. Chuck Lorre said that it would be interesting to see what would happen now that sex was 'part of Sheldon's psyche' - that to me doesn't sound like they decided sex wasn't for him at all.

 

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2 minutes ago, Einstein Von Brainstorm said:

First time sex, especially for two inexperienced adults one of which has extreme phobias about germs, needs planning time!

I'm a bit confused by this bit, which interview are you referring to? Cus I did not get that vibe at all. Chuck Lorre said that it would be interesting to see what would happen now that sex was 'part of Sheldon's psyche' - that to me doesn't sound like they decided sex wasn't for him at all.

 

Yes, they should plan. But I'd rather Sheldon plan it after he wants it not because "I'm doing this as a gift to Amy to show how important she is to me (so important that I'd like to do something that's always been and maybe still is challenging to me to please her).

"Sex plays a very small part in his life and I've always found that to be one of the most wonderful things bout Sheldon's character: that he opted out of that part of life that everyone else assumes we should be obsessed with," Lorre says. "He's chosen not to be. From the very beginning, it's just not something that holds a lot of interest for him."

That's one paragragh from the interview. I can't find the link sorry.

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