Ship Zone [Spoilers] Shamy: Season 9

[nickelette424]

29 minutes ago, camelliayao said:

First, I was disappointed too that Amy deliberately avoided Sheldon when he was sick. I mean he's her boyfriend! Isn't that what a girlfriend do? To take care of her sick boyfriend? Besides, Sheldon took care of her when she was sick. But then I realized that was just a lousy excuse/joke for the writers to keep Amy away for another week.

Second, I have to say I wish they didin't have sex. Don't get me wrong, I couldn't be happier that they're intimate. But I always thought when they finally do it, it'll be like the train kiss which happens natually. So when I read the TR and knew their sex was a gift, I was a little surprised. However, in the TR, their first time was described very sweet and lovely. And that worked for me too.

Then when I finally saw the entire episode, I was so very sad at it, from the line "Intimacy in any form has been challenging for me but I’d like to show her how important she is. And it feels like now maybe the right time" to Sheldon's extremely calm face, to the weird kisses on the coach (compared to the ones in ET's interview). Yes the kiss in bed was great but all the other things just felt wrong. I have a friend who also watches the show but is not a Shamy fan, he said it felt like two scientists doing some experiment. Exactly what I was feeling, I didn't feel passion or love. It all felt a bit clinical.

What really set me off was Chuck Lorri's interview, it felt like they finally decided to keep Sheldon somewhat asexual and I just couldn't believe it. I mean after all the build up, like the train kiss, their 824 kiss, the "anyway" line, the "I have urges" confession, which clearly showed Sheldon is attracted to Amy's body (at least a little bit), they now decide Sheldon is not interested in sex from beginning to the end? I was so confused. I get it they don't want Sheldon to change too much. But they've already changed him gradually during the past seasons, why stop and go back to point zero now???

I have to say if this is where the story is going, I wouldn't be able to enjoy Shamy any more. I just can't imagine how horrible it would be with a Shamy 2.0 where Sheldon only has sex because Amy needs it and they work out a schedule together somehow??? I mean that's like the worst thing I can ever imagine.

 

We all have a right to our opinion; to like or dislike things.  But after reading this, I'm not sure what you were expecting.  The reasons you give for not liking this really doesn't seem to match what pretty much everyone else has seen (even those who hate it because they didn't want Sheldon to be this way).  I just can't wrap my mind around what it is you wanted.

[jlove]

1 hour ago, jenafan said:

My point is that I want Amy to stop being so critical and to pick her battles instead of making one out of every word that comes out of Sheldon's mouth.   So, what if he originally wanted to spend her birthday at SW?  The point is that he chose to spend it with her.   He outted himself, and then she tried to make an issue of it, even though he made the right choice.   She did the same thing with the flash comment.   Sheldon tried to make amends and continue their make out, but she wouldn't let it go.

 

So maybe I'm just more (inappropriately?) optimistic than y'all because I really didn't see Amy's responses during the phone call to be her calling him out on anything or making an issue of it.  I just took it to be her, groggy at being awoken, not even understanding what the was saying ("Obi what?") and then at the end finally pulling her brain together enough to understand at least some of what he had said.  "Wait, Sheldon..."  To me it sounded like an honest inquiry, not a "Omg, you DID NOT just say that, did you?  Let's have an argument." kind of moment.  It's something I could imagine saying myself if my husband woke me up to tell me he was going to do something...miss 2/3 of what is said then eventually say "Whoa, did you mean..." kind of thing.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I just saw sleepy confused Amy being used to provide a laugh, not angry Amy about to start something.  Now that's not to say they wouldn't have had a real dicussion if he chose differently, but that was my take away...

Edited December 21, 2015 by jlove

[camelliayao]

11 minutes ago, nickelette424 said:

We all have a right to our opinion; to like or dislike things.  But after reading this, I'm not sure what you were expecting.  The reasons you give for not liking this really doesn't seem to match what pretty much everyone else has seen (even those who hate it because they didn't want Sheldon to be this way).  I just can't wrap my mind around what it is you wanted.

What made me uncomfortable:

1, Sheldon's line about why he wants to have sex now. It seems like he does it mostly to please Amy. And why now? well they just got back together, so he does it to keep Amy from running away again.

2, Sheldon's face after sex, or his face throughout this episode, maybe it's just me but it kinda feels he's indifferent.

3, CL's interview, but since I can't find the link maybe I misunderstood?

Edited December 21, 2015 by camelliayao

[Einstein Von Brainstorm]

35 minutes ago, camelliayao said:

Yes, they should plan. But I'd rather Sheldon plan it after he wants it not because "I'm doing this as a gift to Amy to show how important she is to me (so important that I'd like to do something that's always been and maybe still is challenging to me to please her).

The point is he planned it! He didn't have to at all but he did.

At the Aquarium, with no guarantee that anything would change in either the way Sheldon treats her or their physical relationship Amy decided that she missed him enough to ask him back. As far as she knew they might never have sex!

After he said "I think I just need to be your friend" he could have done just that, carry on going to the Aquarium and the Zoo and hanging out with his good friend Amy without any romantic obligation.

That was not what he wanted though, he couldn't get her out of his head, she is his heart worm! After half a season of sexual innuendos and constantly talking about being without a girlfriend Sheldon Lee Cooper made the decision that he wanted Amy Farrah Fowler as his girlfriend, romance and all!

She was putting no pressure on him with regards to sex/commitment he knew that he had her back no questions asked and that they could continue their relationship exactly as it had always been.

Professor Proton (his subconscious) told him to go and be with her, he told PP (told himself) that it was a big night for both of them, said that he was worried he would become overwhelmed.

When he talks to Penny and Bernadette about sex he says he feels like it is the right time, he's unsure and nervous yes (who wouldn't be?!) but he planned all this with no pressure from anyone, that's huge for him! - this is why a lot of people have found it to be so beautiful

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"Sex plays a very small part in his life and I've always found that to be one of the most wonderful things bout Sheldon's character: that he opted out of that part of life that everyone else assumes we should be obsessed with," Lorre says. "He's chosen not to be. From the very beginning, it's just not something that holds a lot of interest for him."

That's one paragragh from the interview. I can't find the link sorry.

 

Ok this quote is Chuck talking about Sheldon's attitude to sex prior to deciding to have it so I dunno what the issue is here? 

He also went on to say: 
 "But this is now part of his psyche. It'll be interesting to see if he can successfully keep it as a part of his life and not let it become a dominating element."

That to me sounds like there will be a future struggle for Sheldon to keep things compartmentalised as he always has done and maybe even a struggle to keep it in his pants   

I think a few peeps are worrying for nothing! There have been two taping reports since the Coitus and we have't even had Sheldon and Amy in the same room yet, we have no idea how this is gonna play out, once a year? every Tuesday at exactly 9:30? lets wait and see before we freak out  

 

[Guest]

45 minutes ago, camelliayao said:

What made me uncomfortable:

1, Sheldon's line about why he wants to have sex now. It seems like he does it mostly to please Amy. And why now? well they just got back together, so he does it to keep Amy from running away again.

2, Sheldon's face after sex, or his face throughout this episode, maybe it's just me but it kinda feels he's indifferent.

3, CL's interview, but since I can't find the link maybe I misunderstood?

I am having a hard time getting a handle on what your problem is regarding Sheldon's desire to have sex with Amy.   In a relationship, there are times you will do things to please the other person.  What's wrong with that?  There is always a give and take to relationships.  Even if he was having sex to please Amy, I am sure he soon got carried away with desire as well.  Having sex to keep her from running away again??  In the aquarium episode, he asked her if she had slept with any of the men she had dated.  When she said no, I think for Sheldon it was also a realization that the reason they broke up was not because of sex but because he had not made her a priority.  Amy wasn't looking for sex in the dates she had gone on, if she had, she might have slept with them but she didn't!

Sheldon's face -- I have watched the episode several times including excerpts from YouTube and I never got the feeling that he was indifferent.  He enjoyed it! 

Sometimes, I think there is way too much overanalyzing of the episode, the characters etc.  This is beginning to drive me crazy and I am beginning to feel that I should send another email to Tripper and suspend my account.  After a certain point, I can't see why some people can't just enjoy the episode for the sake of just enjoying it.

 

[tayryn]

1 hour ago, Einstein Von Brainstorm said:

The point is he planned it! He didn't have to at all but he did.

At the Aquarium, with no guarantee that anything would change in either the way Sheldon treats her or their physical relationship Amy decided that she missed him enough to ask him back. As far as she knew they might never have sex!

After he said "I think I just need to be your friend" he could have done just that, carry on going to the Aquarium and the Zoo and hanging out with his good friend Amy without any romantic obligation.

That was not what he wanted though, he couldn't get her out of his head, she is his heart worm! After half a season of sexual innuendos and constantly talking about being without a girlfriend Sheldon Lee Cooper made the decision that he wanted Amy Farrah Fowler as his girlfriend, romance and all!

She was putting no pressure on him with regards to sex/commitment he knew that he had her back no questions asked and that they could continue their relationship exactly as it had always been.

Professor Proton (his subconscious) told him to go and be with her, he told PP (told himself) that it was a big night for both of them, said that he was worried he would become overwhelmed.

When he talks to Penny and Bernadette about sex he says he feels like it is the right time, he's unsure and nervous yes (who wouldn't be?!) but he planned all this with no pressure from anyone, that's huge for him! - this is why a lot of people have found it to be so beautiful

Ok this quote is Chuck talking about Sheldon's attitude to sex prior to deciding to have it so I dunno what the issue is here? 

He also went on to say: 
 "But this is now part of his psyche. It'll be interesting to see if he can successfully keep it as a part of his life and not let it become a dominating element."

That to me sounds like there will be a future struggle for Sheldon to keep things compartmentalised as he always has done and maybe even a struggle to keep it in his pants   

I think a few peeps are worrying for nothing! There have been two taping reports since the Coitus and we have't even had Sheldon and Amy in the same room yet, we have no idea how this is gonna play out, once a year? every Tuesday at exactly 9:30? lets wait and see before we freak out  

 

I agree. I think people are nervous about what may occur but until we have the tape reads and see the new episodes where Shamy interacts, we shouldn't assume the worst. I tend to try and see the glass half full lol

Somehow, I don't think that Sheldon is going to be able to schedule sexy time as easily as his other items. Amy will get his motor running but I don't think it'll be with the usual things we normally associate arousal with.  Sheldon has always been impressed by her mind, I can see that being a big turn on for him when his Vixen utlizes it on him.

Until the hiatus is over, I'm staying on my Shamy cloud 9 and rewatching the last few episodes.

Edited December 21, 2015 by tayryn

[Kathy2611]

21 minutes ago, Einstein Von Brainstorm said:

The point is he planned it! He didn't have to at all but he did.

At the Aquarium, with no guarantee that anything would change in either the way Sheldon treats her or their physical relationship Amy decided that she missed him enough to ask him back. As far as she knew they might never have sex!

After he said "I think I just need to be your friend" he could have done just that, carry on going to the Aquarium and the Zoo and hanging out with his good friend Amy without any romantic obligation.

That was not what he wanted though, he couldn't get her out of his head, she is his heart worm! After half a season of sexual innuendos and constantly talking about being without a girlfriend Sheldon Lee Cooper made the decision that he wanted Amy Farrah Fowler as his girlfriend, romance and all!

She was putting no pressure on him with regards to sex/commitment he knew that he had her back no questions asked and that they could continue their relationship exactly as it had always been.

Professor Proton (his subconscious) told him to go and be with her, he told PP (told himself) that it was a big night for both of them, said that he was worried he would become overwhelmed.

When he talks to Penny and Bernadette about sex he says he feels like it is the right time, he's unsure and nervous yes (who wouldn't be?!) but he planned all this with no pressure from anyone, that's huge for him! - this is why a lot of people have found it to be so beautiful

Ok this quote is Chuck talking about Sheldon's attitude to sex prior to deciding to have it so I dunno what the issue is here? 

He also went on to say: 
 "But this is now part of his psyche. It'll be interesting to see if he can successfully keep it as a part of his life and not let it become a dominating element."

That to me sounds like there will be a future struggle for Sheldon to keep things compartmentalised as he always has done and maybe even a struggle to keep it in his pants   

I think a few peeps are worrying for nothing! There have been two taping reports since the Coitus and we have't even had Sheldon and Amy in the same room yet, we have no idea how this is gonna play out, once a year? every Tuesday at exactly 9:30? lets wait and see before we freak out  

 

Not to mention the recent interview Mayim did (can't remember which one but fairly recent) when she said there would be a different kind of tension between them.  Hmmmm.  I can't imagine tptb would subject us to the same kind of tension as we did in the first 9 eps of this season so unbelievably soon.  It wouldn't go over very well.  At all.  By ANY of the fans.

Could it be maybe sexual tension?  That would be kinda funny to see.  Especially if Amy was oblivious of it until he's about to explode and she's like, "Oh!!"  Smiles big and follows him to the bedroom.

Or the gang are hanging out and he's impatiently waiting for everyone to leave and trying to say different things to insult them or get them to leave.  

Tension with Lenny because they still stay at 4A sometimes and it's cramping his privacy and alone time with Amy.

[Einstein Von Brainstorm]

8 minutes ago, tayryn said:

Somehow, I don't think that Sheldon is going to be able to schedule sexy time as easily as his other items. Amy will get his motor running but I don't think it'll be with the usualy things we normally associate arousal with.  Sheldon has always been impressed by her mind, I can see that being a big turn on for him when his Vixen utlizes it on him.

I can see her referencing Star Trek at some point and he just takes her by the hand and leads her to his bedroom while she's like "...what... where are we going?"  

[Einstein Von Brainstorm]

OR!

The return of this:

[2L344]

5 hours ago, jenafan said:

I couldn't agree more.

I want to see Amy swoon again over Sheldon's eidetic memory and the way he expresses himself.  I miss the Amy that would have been elated to walk to the mail box with him as he recited the calculation for pie and lectured a waiter on the history of Cornish game, or whatever it was.    Where's the Amy been whose underpants caught on fire at the mention of the relationship agreement?

I'm tired the sexually frustrated Amy who went from practically orgasming everything Sheldon to finding an issue with every little thing he says or does.   We constantly hear her calling Sheldon out, while her flaws are covered over as poor Amy.    We've heard Sheldon call her out about her lying, but he doesn't harp on it.   It's seems he accepts that she does this and deals with it when it comes up.

I'm a little put off about the last TR with her leaving Sheldon to his own devices because he is a bad patient when he is sick.   So, is she going to avoid him every time he get sick?   He's her partner for goodness sakes.   Suck it up, and be there for your man.   Sheldon does it to Amy, he's a bad boyfriend.   Amy does it to Sheldon, and it is justified because he is a jerk.   Double-standard?

So, I see your point.   Will Amy reach a stage again where she is just burned out and tired of Sheldon's difficulties?   Now that they are physical, and the euphoria wears off, will she pressure Sheldon for another hit while he resists because he's not ready.  Will the viewers look down on him because of it and because he did say he enjoyed it, so why not?   He said in a year, and at the time, means it.   He didn't mislead or lie.   However, should Amy want it before then and he agrees, we will all be elated.    If he doesn't, then some will side with Amy like how dare Sheldon make her have to wait after giving her the time of her life.   We neglect to see that Amy is the one in the wrong for expecting something Sheldon never promised.    The same happened before the break up.   Everyone was like poor Amy because she wasn't getting any, but many failed to say poor Sheldon because he was being pressured into something he wasn't ready for and never gave any indication exactly when he would be, only that he might.  

I really sincerely hope that they are past all that.    Not only do I want Amy to brag to others that Sheldon is a good boyfriend, but I want her to see it for herself and appreciate him as much as he seems to do her now.   I hope they will continue to work together as a team and grow in love and respect for each other rather than as two individuals who tolerate each other and battle for wills just for the sake of being together and enjoying an earth-shattering coital moment once a year.

I can only speak from experience, but I know my partner calls me out because many times I focus on how I got my way on something, rather than the fact that I did, which is the most important.  

Rather than focus on the fact that I had to beg him to go see a chick-flick with me, I should appreciate that he finally did.   Not always.  Sometimes I just want to be mad that he didn't just give me an automatic yes when I asked, even though I did eventually get what I wanted.

Amy may be elated that Sheldon is going to spend her birthday with her, but in the back of her mind, she is still irritated that she wasn't his first choice.   Keep in mind, that she probably is not aware of the fact that he got the tickets when they were broken up, and for that reason, I can't blame him for his argument that he should go.   

For the sake of his relationship and love for Amy, he made the right choice, and that should be Amy's focus, not that she wasn't the first choice.

yes exactly thank you! not being a downer, and maybe its too soon to go there, i just thought it was interesting we all glossed over those exchanges in favor of all the goodness that 9.11 brought. i just want Amy to not take sheldon to task on everythinh he says or does. he IS trying and wont be getting it right all the time, and i guess it just annoyed me she just HAD to key in on the fact that maybe he struggled a little with making his decision to ultimately spend the birthday with her. just couldnt make it a clean win for sheldon when he excitedly tells her about his decision, she still has to point out he initially screwed up.

maybe sheldon should work on his lying game to avoid conflicts with her....can u imagine?

lets hope im overreacting and its all good in the long run!

[camelliayao]

[rachelshamyfan]

I'm happy that shamy are back together, happy and in love

Looking forward to more beautiful moments

[MJistheBOMB]

4 hours ago, camelliayao said:

First, I was disappointed too that Amy deliberately avoided Sheldon when he was sick. I mean he's her boyfriend! Isn't that what a girlfriend do? To take care of her sick boyfriend? Besides, Sheldon took care of her when she was sick. But then I realized that was just a lousy excuse/joke for the writers to keep Amy away for another week.

Second, I have to say I wish they didin't have sex. Don't get me wrong, I couldn't be happier that they're intimate. But I always thought when they finally do it, it'll be like the train kiss which happens natually. So when I read the TR and knew their sex was a gift, I was a little surprised. However, in the TR, their first time was described very sweet and lovely. And that worked for me too.

Then when I finally saw the entire episode, I was so very sad at it, from the line "Intimacy in any form has been challenging for me but I’d like to show her how important she is. And it feels like now maybe the right time" to Sheldon's extremely calm face, to the weird kisses on the coach (compared to the ones in ET's interview). Yes the kiss in bed was great but all the other things just felt wrong. I have a friend who also watches the show but is not a Shamy fan, he said it felt like two scientists doing some experiment. Exactly what I was feeling, I didn't feel passion or love. It all felt a bit clinical.

What really set me off was Chuck Lorri's interview, it felt like they finally decided to keep Sheldon somewhat asexual and I just couldn't believe it. I mean after all the build up, like the train kiss, their 824 kiss, the "anyway" line, the "I have urges" confession, which clearly showed Sheldon is attracted to Amy's body (at least a little bit), they now decide Sheldon is not interested in sex from beginning to the end? I was so confused. I get it they don't want Sheldon to change too much. But they've already changed him gradually during the past seasons, why stop and go back to point zero now???

I have to say if this is where the story is going, I wouldn't be able to enjoy Shamy any more. I just can't imagine how horrible it would be with a Shamy 2.0 where Sheldon only has sex because Amy needs it and they work out a schedule together somehow??? I mean that's like the worst thing I can ever imagine.

 

It's funny because you were once on here telling ATOB to wait until the episode airs first to see how things play out before jumping to conclusions. Well, perhaps you should follow your own advice and wait a while to see where things go? This is only the beginning. 

Two scientists doing some experiment you say? You DARN RIGHT they were. Kind of makes sense for FIRST TIME SEX, wouldn't you say? Experimenting is part of the job. I would say it was a very successful experiment considering THEY BOTH ENJOYED THE SEX.

How do you figure that "they now decide that Sheldon is not interested in sex from beginning to the end" when he said he enjoyed it and looks forward to doing it again?

What do you mean, "why stop and go back to point zero now??" If anything, him wanting to have sex with her is evidence that he's still continuing to grow and change.

We found out in the Spockumentary episode that Sheldon has spent most of his life suppressing his emotions, etc. 

One of those things he was suppressing was released in episode 9.11. So I ask, what you do ya want from Sheldon, huh? LOL.

[Listgirl]

It's interesting that April's insightful explanations of Doylian vs. Watsonian responses to fiction are alive and well here this morning. As a member of the Doylian (out of universe) camp, I think the writers will now need a new hook to keep us tuning in each week and in the short term Sheldon's response to having sex is definitely a winner and may well be a very slow burn. We also have the ring out there too and to avoid a 'Lenny' false start it's likely to stay under wraps til a big reveal.  With a big hiatus upon us it might be a good idea if the Watsonian ( in-universe) camp take a look at the bigger picture for a couple of weeks as there won't be any answers for quite some time.

Also I really do believe that about 20-30% of any of the characters exchanges are throw away comments played for laughs.

Shamy are back together, they will not split them up again, the rest of this show will deal with the the happy ever after but as we all know there is comedy in conflict so it will be a bumpy ride, but not too bumpy. The writers have gone to great lengths to depict what Shamy mean to each other and invested a massive amount of time and energy producing  a really well crafted storyline here. It won't all be for nothing.

I like that Amy still pulls Sheldon up short despite finally getting him back, and not behaving in a doe-eyed state in her interactions with him. She has always been like that ('Sheldon that was diabolical!' With the itchy sweater episode) but apart from 8:24 his antics have never caused her to rethink her relationship. I think we will return to that dynamic.

They are each other's soulmates. The neuroscientist and the socially challenged germaphobic brilliant mind falling for each each other really is the perfect fit  

Relax peeps. Have a drink. It's Christmas and on that note I have to make lists and shop. X 

PS I hope I have Doylian and Watsonian round the right way but you get my point 

Edited December 21, 2015 by Listgirl

[wowbagger]

17 hours ago, April said:

I actually expect the show to give us a few more of those "uh oh" moments where we just know how this could easily turn into a frustrating pre-breakup situation - and then they're turning around to show us how both Sheldon and Amy are dealing better with those now.

I had a similar feeling with the TR from 9x12 when I first read how Amy was away and said she would want Sheldon there with her just for him to be like "yeah, how about no". And I feared this could be again her wanting more than him and all that jazz, but by the end of the episode she's wording the same sentiment a little differently and now Sheldon reciprocates because he has a literal mind like that. Of course he doesn't want to be on a neuroscience conference, but he still misses her as well. (Not to mention that in the meanwhile he named an asteroid after her because he's that kind of big ol' hippie now! lol)

(sighs happily) asteroid Amy. And can we take a moment to chuckle at how Sheldon's egotism about naming his and Koothrappalli's joint discovery extended to Amy? As in: The asteroid is named 'Kooper' if it's named after Cooper/Koothrappalli, and 'Amy' when named after Amy/Emily. One way or the other, Sheldon's going to get the lion's share for himself or his little lady.

Now, please, please, please, can Amy name a disease/addiction after Sheldon? It would twofold reinforce the notion that Amy is a LadyPerson With a Thinky-Type Career, and it would show Amy making the same romantic gesture. And bonus points for it only seeming romantic to Sheldon and Amy (and us!), while everyone else on the show goes '...........Soooooo, you named a rare cross between OCD, synaesthesia and addiction to psychotropic substances Cooper's Syndrome?' and Sheldon's all 'Yes, sirree! Next time you see a man who needs to huff glue in three sequential sniffs because three smells like daisies, no need to look him up in the Dictionary of Ailments! That man's got Cooper written aaaallllll over him, courtesy my little lady!'*

*This is where koops takes me aside and tells me 'You are giving me Science Rage over here.'

[nickelette424]

5 minutes ago, wowbagger said:

(sighs happily) asteroid Amy. And can we take a moment to chuckle at how Sheldon's egotism about naming his and Koothrappalli's joint discovery extended to Amy? As in: The asteroid is named 'Kooper' if it's named after Cooper/Koothrappalli, and 'Amy' when named after Amy/Emily. One way or the other, Sheldon's going to get the lion's share for himself or his little lady.

Now, please, please, please, can Amy name a disease/addiction after Sheldon? It would twofold reinforce the notion that Amy is a LadyPerson With a Thinky-Type Career, and it would show Amy making the same romantic gesture. And bonus points for it only seeming romantic to Sheldon and Amy (and us!), while everyone else on the show goes '...........Soooooo, you named a rare cross between OCD, synaesthesia and addiction to psychotropic substances Cooper's Syndrome?' and Sheldon's all 'Yes, sirree! Next time you see a man who needs to huff glue in three sequential sniffs because three smells like daisies, no need to look him up in the Dictionary of Ailments! That man's got Cooper written aaaallllll over him, courtesy my little lady!'*

*This is where koops takes me aside and tells me 'You are giving me Science Rage over here.'

This seriously made me laugh out loud.  Especially because I can already picture koops' said rant in my head.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Listgirl said:

It's interesting that April's insightful explanations of Doylian vs. Watsonian responses to fiction are alive and well here this morning. As a member of the Doylian (out of universe) camp, I think the writers will now need a new hook to keep us tuning in each week and in the short term, Sheldon's response sto having sex is definitely a winner and may well be a very slow burn particularly as we now have the ring out there too. With a big hiatus upon us it might be a good idea if the Watsonian ( in-universe) camp take a look at the bigger picture for a couple of weeks as there won't be any answers for quite some time.

Also I really do believe that about 20-30% of any of the characters exchanges are throw away comments played for laughs.

Shamy are back together, they will not split them up again, the rest of this show will deal with the the happy ever after but as we all know there is comedy in conflict so it will be a bumpy ride, but not too bumpy. The writers have gone to great lengths to depict what Shamy mean to each other and invested a massive amount of time and energy producing  a really well crafted storyline here. It won't all be for nothing.

I like that Amy still pulls Sheldon up short despite finally getting him back, and not behaving in a doe-eyed state in her interactions with him. She has always been like that ('Sheldon that was diabolical!' With the itchy sweater episode) but apart from 8:24 his antics have never caused her to rethink her relationship. I think we will return to that dynamic.

They are each other's soulmates. The neuroscientist and the socially challenged germaphobic brilliant mind falling for each each other really is the perfect fit  

Relax peeps. Have a drink. It's Christmas and on that note I have to make lists and shop. X 

PS I hope I have Doylian and Watsonian round the right way but you get my point 

The part in bold, can someone direct me to April's explanation?

[shamour]

1 hour ago, wowbagger said:

Now, please, please, please, can Amy name a disease/addiction after Sheldon? It would twofold reinforce the notion that Amy is a LadyPerson With a Thinky-Type Career, and it would show Amy making the same romantic gesture. And bonus points for it only seeming romantic to Sheldon and Amy (and us!), while everyone else on the show goes '...........Soooooo, you named a rare cross between OCD, synaesthesia and addiction to psychotropic substances Cooper's Syndrome?' and Sheldon's all 'Yes, sirree! Next time you see a man who needs to huff glue in three sequential sniffs because three smells like daisies, no need to look him up in the Dictionary of Ailments! That man's got Cooper written aaaallllll over him, courtesy my little lady!'*

*This is where koops takes me aside and tells me 'You are giving me Science Rage over here.'

Unfortunately I can only "like" this once... This made me laugh so hard, you're a genius!:-)

Btw that could totally be him if you replace the glue with blueberry markers, hehe!

[Listgirl]

11 minutes ago, lpm said:

The part in bold, can someone direct me to April's explanation?

I think it's in the general discussion thread (fairly recent) but unfortunately I don't have time to search for it at the moment. 

[April]

35 minutes ago, lpm said:

The part in bold, can someone direct me to April's explanation?

That was from a few days ago in the general discussion thread... waitaminute... Here you go:

On 17.12.2015 at 6:47 PM, April said:

Alright, I don't have a bone in this weird fight but maybe this helps: They're basically two different layers of discourse when talking about a work of fiction.

1) The Watsonian approach which is arguing from an in-universe perspective and interpreting what happens as the choices of the characters themselves. For example: We didn't find out Penny's last name because Sheldon interrupted the viewing of the wedding by being a selfish a-hole who wouldn't shut up for 5 minutes.

2) The Doylist approach which is arguing from an out-of-universe perspective and interpreting what happens as the choices of the writers. For example: We didn't find out Penny's last name because it's a long time running gag so the writers came up with a way to keep that information from us.

Of course in the end we're still arguing about the same things as seen in the episodes, so yeah, it's a technicality, I guess. But then again it can be a bit frustrating or confusing when these perspectives get mixed up in a discussion.

[AnnJ]

8 hours ago, camelliayao said:

First, I was disappointed too that Amy deliberately avoided Sheldon when he was sick. I mean he's her boyfriend! Isn't that what a girlfriend do? To take care of her sick boyfriend? Besides, Sheldon took care of her when she was sick. But then I realized that was just a lousy excuse/joke for the writers to keep Amy away for another week.

Second, I have to say I wish they didin't have sex. Don't get me wrong, I couldn't be happier that they're intimate. But I always thought when they finally do it, it'll be like the train kiss which happens natually. So when I read the TR and knew their sex was a gift, I was a little surprised. However, in the TR, their first time was described very sweet and lovely. And that worked for me too.

Then when I finally saw the entire episode, I was so very sad at it, from the line "Intimacy in any form has been challenging for me but I’d like to show her how important she is. And it feels like now maybe the right time" to Sheldon's extremely calm face, to the weird kisses on the coach (compared to the ones in ET's interview). Yes the kiss in bed was great but all the other things just felt wrong. I have a friend who also watches the show but is not a Shamy fan, he said it felt like two scientists doing some experiment. Exactly what I was feeling, I didn't feel passion or love. It all felt a bit clinical.

What really set me off was Chuck Lorri's interview, it felt like they finally decided to keep Sheldon somewhat asexual and I just couldn't believe it. I mean after all the build up, like the train kiss, their 824 kiss, the "anyway" line, the "I have urges" confession, which clearly showed Sheldon is attracted to Amy's body (at least a little bit), they now decide Sheldon is not interested in sex from beginning to the end? I was so confused. I get it they don't want Sheldon to change too much. But they've already changed him gradually during the past seasons, why stop and go back to point zero now???

I have to say if this is where the story is going, I wouldn't be able to enjoy Shamy any more. I just can't imagine how horrible it would be with a Shamy 2.0 where Sheldon only has sex because Amy needs it and they work out a schedule together somehow??? I mean that's like the worst thing I can ever imagine.

 

I have a different idea of Sheldon's seeming reluctant or indifferent attitude.   I believe the desire and even lust is real, but he is finding it difficult to admit to himself and especially others. It is like an admission of being wrong for so many years, and Sheldon is not one to admit error.  

Years back, I wondered if Sheldon wasn't fibbing a little on this front. Remember his physicist friend, Dr. Plimpton, who wanted to play "role playing games" with Raj, Lenard,  and Howard in season 3? He told her he kept latex gloves beside his bed.  He gave some excuse as to why, but that made me half laugh.  I could imagine him needing those to keep himself, well, as clean as possible, when getting  dirty, dirty, dirty.  

Besides, I think the way he looks over Amy in her night gown and melts into their kisses belie his seemingly clinical reasoning.  

 

 

 

[wowbagger]

8 hours ago, camelliayao said:

What made me uncomfortable:

1, Sheldon's line about why he wants to have sex now. It seems like he does it mostly to please Amy. And why now? well they just got back together, so he does it to keep Amy from running away again.

2, Sheldon's face after sex, or his face throughout this episode, maybe it's just me but it kinda feels he's indifferent.

3, CL's interview, but since I can't find the link maybe I misunderstood?

RAMBLING POST ALERT!

I actually have a lot of sympathy with this, especially because CL's interview left a bad taste in my mouth as well. I don't like the idea of Sheldon saying 'All right, let's see what this coitus lark is all about.'. Not least because it doesn't fit the character's journey at all. S4 Sheldon and Amy? I completely buy them saying 'All right, let's see what this is about.' In fact, not even then. S4 Amy, maybe. S4 Sheldon I think was already too taken with Amy as a person to be clinical about sex. 

I have gone on my own rambles about how I feel about the shot of Amy- hair mussed, chest heaving, eyes sparkling- and Sheldon- calm, thoughtful, with just the traces of smugness (love it) tugging at the corner of his lips. And yes, I wish, just a little, that Sheldon had seemed more moved by the experience. Not in a 'LET'S DO THAT AGAIN RIGHT NOW!' way- I even loved his calm- but maybe I'd have liked to see that fine brain going a mile a minute, fizzing about, and then he looks at Amy the way he did when she came out in her nightie, and he stills. 'There she is. My Amy. It'll be fine, because there she is.'

And yes, that rather dismissive-sounding 'Oh, it'll never be a big deal for him' made me want to tear my hair out and scream 'WELL, WHY DID YOU HAVE TO PUT US ALL THROUGH THE PAST FIVE YEARS THEN?' I, personally, was happy to have Sheldon and Amy being awesomely platonic-but-come-on-not-really, playing arcane games and freaking out the Muggles! Why did you have Amy lurch into wanting more, have Sheldon stiff-arm her, and subject us to five years' worth of push and pull, if Sheldon was going to say 'Well, if it makes you happy, it can't be that bad'?

All of which is to say: I don't think that that is really where the episode went. I've come to the conclusion that, yes, sex for Sheldon isn't going to be this great big 'I must have you right now against this wall' priority. If Amy had never wanted sex, Sheldon would probably have been fine without it, without registering it as a sacrifice. But that doesn't mean that his desire for Amy isn't real. So what if respect for her intellect and personhood came first? So what if he knew he loved her before he was ready to have sex with her?

And also: I continue to think that the real internal gear-switch, for Sheldon, was flipped when he kissed Amy. He probably knew he loved her before that. he had been intrigued by her from the very beginning. But the fact that he kissed her, and liked it, was obviously huge for him. Everything about his body language after the kiss suggests that the man is rocked to his foundations. Even the- unprecedented and unusual- backsliding we saw from him in Table suggested that, to him, the kiss was something massive to incorporate into his worldview. And after that, we've never seen him struggle with escalations in physical intimacy. We don't see him struggle with increasingly passionate kisses in the S8 finale, as well as in Earworm, for example. Which suggests to me that, for Sheldon, once he knew he loved Amy and knew he liked kissing her, sex was almost- almost- a formality. Yes, he wanted to research it and was aware that it was a bigger investment in training and so forth, but he knew he wanted to do it. That must have been why he was so furious and betrayed when Amy walked. This momentous revelation- this huge struggle that he had been making with himself- had all been for one person, and she was proving to him with every word and gesture (or so he thought) that she had weighed it, measured it, found it wanting, and made it all worthless. And when they got back together- and Amy proved categorically that what she wanted was him, without the pressure and the conditions- he must have thought 'well, why wait? I know I love her. I know I enjoy kissing her. I've done the research. What better day than Star Wars premiere day? And oh sure fine, her birthday.'

And after that Sheldon bent his mind to making it work for Amy. His Amy. His birthday girl. I don't think his pleasure was irrelevant to him, but he knew-he'd always known- that he would enjoy it, with Amy. So I think he was sincere when he said 'Well, I liked that more than I thought I would'. Because, on some level, he'd known that he would enjoy it. After all, he likes kissing Amy, and he loves her. Of course he'd like exploring all sorts of new things with her, like he's done so many other fun new things. He wasn't shaken to the depths, of course not. That had happened a long time ago.

[boys3allc]

6 hours ago, MJistheBOMB said:

It's funny because you were once on here telling ATOB to wait until the episode airs first to see how things play out before jumping to conclusions. Well, perhaps you should follow your own advice and wait a while to see where things go? This is only the beginning. 

Two scientists doing some experiment you say? You DARN RIGHT they were. Kind of makes sense for FIRST TIME SEX, wouldn't you say? Experimenting is part of the job. I would say it was a very successful experiment considering THEY BOTH ENJOYED THE SEX.

How do you figure that "they now decide that Sheldon is not interested in sex from beginning to the end" when he said he enjoyed it and looks forward to doing it again?

What do you mean, "why stop and go back to point zero now??" If anything, him wanting to have sex with her is evidence that he's still continuing to grow and change.

We found out in the Spockumentary episode that Sheldon has spent most of his life suppressing his emotions, etc. 

One of those things he was suppressing was released in episode 9.11. So I ask, what you do ya want from Sheldon, huh? LOL.

80 likes for MJ!

I may be completely wrong  but I felt lime this episode was them setting up building blocks for more later. The literally and figuratively busted the cherry on a ripe vein of storylines. 

So yeah he had sex and he liked it just fine. Wants to do it again. Nay! Looks "forward to doing it again." Now they can think about him wanting it sooner than his expected timeline.

Remember when they first got together and he was loathe to even admit he liked her? I am sure there were intrrviews around that time where they asked Lorre if Amy would be a huge factor in his life and he said something like. Oh he is really fond of Amy thst is for sure, but I don't know how much she will change the character.

They never give away huge character growth spoilers in those interviews. Most of the time they are still figuring it out so they play it coy.

As far as Amy skipping out on sick Sheldon. I guess you have to put it in the offscren Shamy bin obviously at some point she has taken care of a sick Sheldon and found it lacking

[April]

50 minutes ago, wowbagger said:

RAMBLING POST ALERT!

I actually have a lot of sympathy with this, especially because CL's interview left a bad taste in my mouth as well. I don't like the idea of Sheldon saying 'All right, let's see what this coitus lark is all about.'.

[ snip ]

This is interesting to me because the rest of your ramblings is exactly why I don't think that is what Lorre meant at all. Admittedly, I might be biased here because it'd fit my own opinion so neatly, so apologies for that, I guess. But in context of the character's development over the years, in context of the episode in question and even in context of the other interviews Lorre gave these days I don't believe for a moment that he thinks Sheldon at this point in life is doing this solely for some sort of clinical scientific reason or whatever.

I think what he was talking about was how Sheldon tries to compartmentalise and reflect on these big developments in his life, and more specifically why he says the things he says immediately after the act. It's not unlike comparing the train kiss with that banjo player, even though we all know that this kiss was something that undoubtedly caused a huge shift inside of him. And on that same note I have no doubts that reaching that level of physical and emotional intimacy with Amy will cause an equally huge shift inside of him. The most interesting part in Lorre's interview (and Molaro has hinted something similar) is the question of how he'll deal with all of this once his mind has processed what happened and we see him and Amy interacting in regular situations again. With kissing we saw how that quickly became a regular part of their dating protocol. I expect the writers to try and figure out a similar way to get the couple to that "they do that now" point when it comes to sex.

That said though, you can tell with the episode and the interviews that for all those bold story telling decisions they made this year, they're still treading very carefully around the topic of Sheldon's urges which makes me think that first and foremost they want to see how the general audience received the story line. Seeing the overwhelmingly positive reaction this got I'm hoping that they can put whatever worries they might have had aside and write the next stories with the appropriate confidence - and maybe then we'll finally get that post-coitus cuddle and Sheldon with messy sex hair!

[mirs1]

Here's another Molaro interview I've just find out

http://www.tvgrapevine.com/196-film-reviews/14993-big-bang-theory-showrunner-talks-sheldon-and-amy-s-big-moment

he explains the choice of the "once a year" line

“As far as this being some sort of sellout or giant shift in the character, I think it’s lines like that that allow us to have such a momentous occasion, but it still can feel very much like Sheldon and Amy – Sheldon saying that we did this thing, but we’re only going to do it once a year is an example of us holding the character intact, even when something this monumental happens”

so, just a way to say "Sheldon is still Sheldon", nothing different from the nine fingers banjo player, and/or to be concerned about, IMO...Anyway, as I told many times, if Amy and Sheldon are shown to be happy in the show, certainly I'll be happy for and with them.

Changing subject, I want to tell you something really funny which happened over the week end on one of the Italian Fan Pages of TBBT; they published a picture of Sheldon and Amy in bed together, without a spoiler alert. In Italy the show airs on an Italian internet platform like Netflix more or less week after it airs in USA and on TV it will air  in a Pay per View channel where there will be a TBBT season 9 marathon over the new-year eve, so for many of the followers of the FB page it is still a spoiler at this point. The show in my country is popular but not that popular, if you really don't look for information about the plot, you don't find it at every corner of the internet. Well, many people were mad for the spoiler and  very vocal in expressing their disappointment for being spoiled, all wanted to see the episode and being surprised by it!! I was thinking, if here in Italy we were so mad for being spoiled  few days before the show actually airs, how mad USA people were since it's been a month they know it all? And the press coverage was much more impressive!!!

Edited December 21, 2015 by mirs1