Ship Zone [Spoilers] Shamy: Season 9

[Cerry]

30 minutes ago, Listgirl said:

I have been speculating on that a little myself. Usually with screen kisses the point is to show the kiss but here I agree they seems to shoot at an angle where Amy's head or Sheldon's shoulder seems to be in the way much of the time.  I wonder if it's because they are trying to show French kissing and it's tricky to get that right if they are not actually French kissing (which seems to be the case with all the characters kisses on BBT as its a prime time sitcom and a certain amount of decorum needs to be maintained? Apart from that gorgeous lime kiss of lenny's which of course was part of a gag). The 2nd kiss in Earworm did manage to convey that well but as there seems to be a decision to depict long lingering make out style kisses with Shamy at the moment, perhaps it's easier to obscure the view and leave something to the imagination . Also at a character level they are still possibly developing their technique and if memory serves I think teenagers French kiss with a more glued on look about them which may be inexperience and maybe what they are going for here. 

Yeah, that's a good explanation, maybe they want to leave it up to the viewer if they're kissing with or without tongue and most kisses on the show are unnatural closed mouth sitcom kisses anyway. I would perfectly be fine if they aren't French kissing and still want to see it.

[mirs1]

At least they didn't use that close up which was shown in the first interviews about the episode (can't remember if it was ET or EW) where, since you can't see properly Sheldon's hand going from his pocket to Amy's shoulders, it seemed as he was doing a so unnatural movement that  it looked like he was not enjoying the kiss...at least for a second for me it looked like that, until I understood what he was actually doing with his hand...

[Einstein Von Brainstorm]

I don't understand all this debate about the 'french-ness' of the kisses?

They are actors on a sitcom, not a HBO show! they are going to be doing 'screen' kisses that are meant to be passionate. All of the couples are. 

[Listgirl]

Whilst we understand the restrictions on this type of show, there's still a frustration for some perhaps at not seeing something more natural. Of course it could be a character thing as there's a physical awkwardness with shamy. Anyway isn't analysing this stuff to death part of the fun here. 

[Einstein Von Brainstorm]

12 minutes ago, Listgirl said:

Whilst we understand the restrictions on this type of show, there's still a frustration for some perhaps at not seeing something more natural. Of course it could be a character thing as there's a physical awkwardness with shamy. Anyway isn't analysing this stuff to death part of the fun here. 

Yes it is  

Howard and Bernadette have never had a madly passionate looking kiss but nobody doubts that they are french kissing, which is why I don't understand the debate? 

Did someone accuse ShAmy of not making out at some point? 

[Einstein Von Brainstorm]

Did anyone post this one yet?

http://www.rollingstone.com/tv/news/top-5-tv-big-bang-gets-sexy-steve-harvey-screws-up-20151221

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5. The Big Bang Theory: Sheldon finally bazingas Amy (CBS)
The writers of this still insanely popular sitcom have always refused to define what, if any, developmental disorder Sheldon Cooper has — a decision that's given them the freedom to let the Jim Parsons' character grow. He's still the chilly and compulsively fastidious brainiac he was at the start of the series, but he can also be flexible now, or even warm-hearted. At the end of last season, Sheldon's long-suffering girlfriend Amy Farrah-Fowler decided she couldn't handle his quirks any more. After breaking up and reconciling, he decided to show her just what she really means to him — by having sex with her for her birthday.

More at the link above (they make a slight gaff about the overwhelmed quote).

I'm mad as hell that I didn't think of "bazingas" first!  

[Cerry]

1 hour ago, Einstein Von Brainstorm said:

I don't understand all this debate about the 'french-ness' of the kisses?

They are actors on a sitcom, not a HBO show! they are going to be doing 'screen' kisses that are meant to be passionate. All of the couples are. 

The show occasionally has these serious moments, too, like the lime kiss and I believe they are part of the huge success of the show. You can transfer this to fake crying (most of the time) and moments like Penny leaving the bowling hall or Howard opening up to Penny why he's trying so hard. Yes it is a sitcom but they mix some serious drama moments into it. I didn't want to start a debate about French or not, but when I only get to see moving heads and hardly see the mouth I just want to tweak my screen but it won't help. Nevermind. Interesting, that you obviously hated it, mirs, I believe we talk about the same scene. I liked it much better, the official version is softer now, I agree. But why should he enjoy it at first, he got interrupted, but then he gives in and enjoys it. Just nitpicking.

[Einstein Von Brainstorm]

6 minutes ago, Cerry said:

The show occasionally has these serious moments, too, like the lime kiss and I believe they are part of the huge success of the show. You can transfer this to fake crying (most of the time) and moments like Penny leaving the bowling hall or Howard opening up to Penny why he's trying so hard. Yes it is a sitcom but they mix some serious drama moments into it. I didn't want to start a debate about French or not, but when I only get to see moving heads and hardly see the mouth I just want to tweak my screen but it won't help. Nevermind. Interesting, that you obviously hated it, mirs, I believe we talk about the same scene. I liked it much better, the official version is softer now, I agree. But why should he enjoy it at first, he got interrupted, but then he gives in and enjoys it. Just nitpicking.

The lime kiss you mention was between two people who were dating though so yeah it's gonna come off sexier imo it probably wasn't meant to be as hot as it was.

And there is a difference between 'serious' moments and sexy moments! Someone crying is not the same as seeing some tongue in a scene.

The Shamy kisses are still passionate without seeing them all open mouthed but I'd like them either way  

[Ranger Rosa]

5 hours ago, MJistheBOMB said:

Are there still only 8,000 tickets left? Hahaha.

Is this festival's name an alias for the ShamyCon? 

[mirs1]

8 minutes ago, Cerry said:

The show occasionally has these serious moments, too, like the lime kiss and I believe they are part of the huge success of the show. You can transfer this to fake crying (most of the time) and moments like Penny leaving the bowling hall or Howard opening up to Penny why he's trying so hard. Yes it is a sitcom but they mix some serious drama moments into it. I didn't want to start a debate about French or not, but when I only get to see moving heads and hardly see the mouth I just want to tweak my screen but it won't help. Nevermind. Interesting, that you obviously hated it, mirs, I believe we talk about the same scene. I liked it much better, the official version is softer now, I agree. But why should he enjoy it at first, he got interrupted, but then he gives in and enjoys it. Just nitpicking.

It's not that I hate it, I almost immediately realized what was going on and of course he was enjoying every second of it; it's just that the official version, as you said it, has softer movements, and everything seems more "fluid", the one in the interview for me was more awkward...JMO! As for the kisses, I don't want to start a debate either, but I just think is how things usually go with prime time comedy in USA; and, as far as the lime kiss goes, I highly doubt it would have played that way on screen (or even if it would have been shot at all) if the two actors weren't dating for real at the time...

[Listgirl]

That's what's interesting, the variation with different couples, different levels of experience for the characters , viewer investment in different couples not the kissing per se. They seem to be trying something different with Shamy and that's what's intriguing. Anyway moving on... I think we will get the coitus episode next week in the UK. It must be a first we normally get the 'Xmas episode' sometime in February !

Edited December 22, 2015 by Listgirl

[Cerry]

2 hours ago, Einstein Von Brainstorm said:

The lime kiss you mention was between two people who were dating though so yeah it's gonna come off sexier imo it probably wasn't meant to be as hot as it was.

And there is a difference between 'serious' moments and sexy moments! Someone crying is not the same as seeing some tongue in a scene.

The Shamy kisses are still passionate without seeing them all open mouthed but I'd like them either way  

They were dating, but the creative decision about how it's written and executed is up to the director and the writers, not the actors and should not depend on the fact that the actors were actually dating. It had an influence for sure, but it would be very unprofessional if it accidently happened. Did they all know it? I thought it was only the cast, but even if they knew it, they could have decided hey that's too sexy for the show. I'm convinced the other actors can do sexier if they are told to do so, it isn't intended. I don't need to see french open mouthed kisses, that I called them "unnatural" wasn't meant to come across in a negative sense. For Shamy it may be IC, for the other couples rather not, but that's just fine. Just give me another camera angle and I'm happy. But, yes, you're right, even obscured like that it's still very sexy.

[A Shamy gal]

2 hours ago, Listgirl said:

That's what's interesting, the variation with different couples, different levels of experience for the characters , investment in different couples not the kissing per say. They seem to be trying something different with Shamy and that's what's intriguing. Anyway moving on... I think we will get the coitus episode next week in the UK. It must be a first we normally get the 'Xmas episode' sometime in February !

Sorry to disappoint you, but there's no new episode in the UK next week. 

Edited December 22, 2015 by A Shamy gal

[Guest]

9 hours ago, Gbb said:

So did we know it was a real thing?

http://www.wisconsinsheepandwoolfestival.com

Seriously thinking of going.  I am a knitter!

[Soopysue]

4 minutes ago, lpm said:

Seriously thinking of going.  I am a knitter!

I'll need to send you my fleeces from my Shetland sheep next year !!!. You could spin them  - I don't spin or knit by Shetland fleece is beautiful !. Oops off topic .....so about those Shamy kisses and everything in episodes 10& 11  , I'm never going to recover - still wearing my big stupid grin !! 

Edited December 22, 2015 by Soopysue

[Listgirl]

34 minutes ago, A Shamy gal said:

Sorry to disappoint you, but there's no new episode in the UK next week. 

lol! So we will get the Xmas episode in February as usual! Not that it's seasonal this year but anyway. 

[TateTheUnicorn]

lol! So we will get the Xmas episode in February as usual! Not that it's seasonal this year but anyway. 

Well, the earworm reverberation is airing on Thursday so there's a silver lining (I guess)

[Guest]

47 minutes ago, Soopysue said:

I'll need to send you my fleeces from my Shetland sheep next year !!!. You could spin them  - I don't spin or knit by Shetland fleece is beautiful !. Oops off topic .....so about those Shamy kisses and everything in episodes 10& 11  , I'm never going to recover - still wearing my big stupid grin !! 

I only knit, I don't spin but I know people who do.  They'd like it!   Yeah, I'm still smiling too about those episodes.  

In the episode when Sheldon mentioned the Wisconsin wool and sheep festival, Bernadette talks about cuddling to keep warm.  It's in September, usually not that cold but I'm sure they could still cuddle!  LOL!

[Ranger Rosa]

Warner Channel is airing "The Locomotive Manipulation" right now here. I'm watching it all with a big silly smile on my face, even when they're not joking. 

1 hour ago, A Shamy gal said:

Sorry to disappoint you, but there's no new episode in the UK next week. 

The people who take care about the episodes' airing dates are very mean to you, brits. Here they are already subtitled and dubbed, except the last one.

[joyceraye]

On ‎19‎/‎12‎/‎2015 at 3:22 PM, Radar said:

Thank you for sharing! Loved the video and loved the episode. Was a tiny bit disappointed at first that they cut the cuddle scene, but hey, I just imagine that it happened off screen (to avoid a riot among those who would say it would have been too OOC for Sheldon.  ), so I will definitely not complain here! 
To sum it up: It was just perfect! The writers managed to have them - esp. Sheldon - stay in character and still be really sweet and tender. Looking forward to the voyage they will embark on now. I think there are some really good times ahead - with Shamy and all of the gang. 

For me it was the hand-holding that was touching. It looked so tender and sweet, more intimate than a cuddle in many ways.

[MJistheBOMB]

Yeah, I think about it now and I can see how the cuddle may have been too much at this point in time. This is probably just another thing with Shamy that we'll get to see a progression of. After their first time having sex, we get them holding hands, but if you guys notice, they can't even look each other directly in the eyes, which I find so cute because it's like they're both a little shy, despite what they had just done.

In the future, they won't be as shy about it.  We will probably get to see them cuddling and able to look each other in the eye and maybe even a few sweet kisses thrown in? ;-)

Bring it on, writers! I can't wait.

[Einstein Von Brainstorm]

2 minutes ago, MJistheBOMB said:

Yeah, I think about it now and I can see how the cuddle may have been too much at this point in time. This is probably just another thing with Shamy that we'll get to see a progression of. After their first time having sex, we get them holding hands, but if you guys notice, they can't even look each other directly in the eyes, which I find so cute because it's like they're both a little shy, despite what they had just done.

In the future, they won't be as shy about it.  We will probably get to see them cuddling and able to look each other in the eye and maybe even a few sweet kisses thrown in? ;-)

Bring it on, writers! I can't wait.

I'm loving all these after coitus discussions cus it just shows how different we all are

Some like hugs, some look into each others eyes, some hold hands, some are calm, some are wrecked ...

I personally either eat or sleep  am I un-romantic?!  

[Stephen Hawking]

20 hours ago, Ranger Rosa said:

Remote control, knee...you got me.

Actually, I didn't  

Edited December 22, 2015 by Stephen Hawking

[MJistheBOMB]

7 hours ago, Ranger Rosa said:

Is this festival's name an alias for the ShamyCon? 

I wish there really was Shamy Con....or at least BigBangTheory Con. LOL.

[Cara meli]

11 hours ago, Cerry said:

For the ones who were disappointed of the after coitus look because you felt it was indifferent:
I want to remind you of the line about Spock and Sheldon "he might act like he had no emotions but [] you have feelings just like everybody else". That Sheldon tries to suppress emotions (but fails - he can't just shut his feelings off) is on another page. What I want to point out is, that he will never express his feelings like the average person, he will always show only the tip of the iceberg. You can't compare his after coitus reaction to an average person's one, you can assume he shows a tiny smile and has very intense feelings the same time. This is typical for Sheldon and it'll never change.

I suppose the blinking expresses that he is in a very emotional state. He does it before Amy breaks up with him when he wants to fix the relationship and after the conversation when he is turned down. If you judge him like anyone else you wouldn't guess what's going on inside of him only from his subtle facial expressions.  

Maybe he realised during the make out session that he's ready for the next step. Who knows what he felt? He is definitely not asexual, he clearly wants more than friendship, he's so unaware of all this that he needs an earworm and PP to identify it. I buy it that he does it because he wants it and doesn't do it only for her sake.

I think cuddling after coitus would have been OOC, because I myself don't like it. And I am way more comfortable with physical contact than Sheldon is. And Amy was capable being in a relationship with little physical contact so far, she wanted more, but if she needed as much as the average person she couldn't have been with him for years. So in the longterm run the intimacy they have will be what they need.

Someone mentioned that they used a better camera angle in the ET interview than in the episode. I totally agree on that. Usually I'm a big fan of leaving things to the imagination instead of showing everything but in this case I admit I'd prefer a camera angle from the side where Amys head hides less (this also applies to the heartworm make out sessions).

Yes! I was waiting for someone to point this out. It's like a default setting for Sheldon when in deeply emotional situations, I believe, same with Amy who's reaction is to be giddy when it comes new relationship things with him. Outwardly, she appears bold and brave but we see that on the inside she's careful and patient. When they kiss for instance, you see she's excited about it but in the act itself, she one to move less. In contrast, Sheldon appears cool, calm but when they kiss, he's the one who pushes. And when it's done, she's giddy and he's more composed again. Same when they declared their love in earworm and their reactions after that first kiss in front of Dave, Sheldon was restrained in his reactions but his actions show passion (I mean look at that second kiss in earworm). So his post coitus demeanor for me was alright because I had no doubt that he gave Amy some thorough loving that night and enjoyed it.