Ship Zone [Spoilers] Shamy: Season 9

[camelliayao]

1 minute ago, MJistheBOMB said:

This kind of spices things up a bit, now that Amy knows about the ring and that Sheldon KNOWS that she knows. He gets to be creative still with the when, the where the how the proposal will happen :). 

Only thing I worry about, after seeing others bring it up, is we might an Amy that becomes pushy about it. Not that I would expect her to be...we all know she's not the type but the writers do like to throw us curve balls when we least expect it. LOL.

Oh please don't let it be Amy proposing to Sheldon and Sheldon freaking out.

[MJistheBOMB]

2 minutes ago, camelliayao said:

Oh please don't let it be Amy proposing to Sheldon and Sheldon freaking out.

Hahaha. I can't deny that Amy proposing to Sheldon crossed my mind once earlier this evening. I have NO idea why.

[mirs1]

41 minutes ago, wowbagger said:

 

f ) can someone clarify something about Sheldon's saying 'i just gave you my virginity. Cool your jets, woman'? Has amy been pressuring him about proposing (oh please no, show), or does she give him a justified 'wtf?!? Why didn't YOU tell me about the ring?'after meemaw's bombshell? Please the latter. Please please please the latter. I don't think I can take another go-round of 'amy wants more, Sheldon can't keep up.'

 

Apparently, as I understood, after Amy and meemaw kind of get to an agreement, Amy says something along the lines "So if Sheldon wanted to give me the ring we have your blessing", meemaw replies yes (a not very convinced yes, though...). Then Amy starts to smiling at Sheldon, rubbing his arms, stuff like that and Sheldon goes with "I just gave you my virginity. Cool your jets, woman". This means the guy has also become more skilled in understanding other people's body language, when he needs to do that...That was my "waiting" comment about. I'm sure it will play out not like the coitus story, it would be an unnecessary repetition, but knowing about the ring kind of puts Amy in a less balanced position again, for me. However, I'm sure it will  be played out differently from the past, since now Amy is a different person too. She stands for herself, I agree with you wowbagger that her going against meemaw among all the people shows that she is really more confident and less willing to put up with things she doesn't like.

Edited January 13, 2016 by mirs1

[wowbagger]

8 minutes ago, nickelette424 said:

From what I understand, after Meemaw says that they have her blessing for Sheldon to give Amy the ring, she rubs his shoulder and gives him a look.  His response, was basically more of a "calm down, I'm not gonna give it to you right now".  I also think it was a way for Sheldon to maintain control over when he offers her the ring, even though someone else spilled the beans to her.

ahhhhhh. Phew!

ETA: Just read mirs's post and i am wriggling slightly in my chair. I mean whatever, they know the ring is out there, they know they love each other and it will probably play as being cute, but aie don't make the ring some piece of candy that amy is angling for. Ewwww. But you know what? I am hopeful. I am hopeful, i am hopeful. After all, this episode already cutely reversed the gender stereotype by having amy ask for meemaw's blessing. I am hopeful!

Edited January 13, 2016 by wowbagger

[April]

5 minutes ago, nickelette424 said:

From what I understand, after Meemaw says that they have her blessing for Sheldon to give Amy the ring, she rubs his shoulder and gives him a look.  His response, was basically more of a "calm down, I'm not gonna give it to you right now".  I also think it was a way for Sheldon to maintain control over when he offers her the ring, even though someone else spilled the beans to her.

That's my take on it, too. Plus, apparently Leonard and Penny were also all like "we give you some privacy, wink wink, nudge nudge" so it's basically everyone expecting him to propose right then and there and I can't blame him for being like "NOPE! not like this!"

[Lionne]

Sheldon defending Amy to even his adored Meemaw is huge, and shows just how strong the two of them have become. While I am a little sad that Meemaw isn't quite the loving saint that Sheldon has projected her to be, I understand if part of it stems from the breakup and feeling protective of Sheldon and that fact that Amy did break his heart.

However, I am not pleased about Meemaw breaking the news about the ring, because that is really petty. Even Penny showed considerable maturity and self-restraint not to tell Amy about it. The right to propose and the information about the ring is Sheldon's decision; his right and his alone. Meemaw had no right to put that out there in front of Amy; if she had reservations she could have spoken them to Sheldon in private, but dropping that news in front of Amy was really cruel. Not just cruel to Amy because it suggests she doesn't think Amy is right for Sheldon, but it's also cruel to Sheldon himself.

Dropping that huge bombshell puts Sheldon in an awkward position and steals his thunder too. I was actually hoping Meemaw would be a little tougher and less perfect than Sheldon always portrayed her, but breaking the news about the ring was a deeply bitchy thing to do, and rather shatters Meemaw's reputation for being Sheldon's source of unconditional love, acceptance, and shelter. I know Meemaw is not a main character, but she's a very important and beloved one despite never appearing on screen, and I wish the show had shown her having concerns about Amy for breaking up with Sheldon and hurting him, but not being quite such a bitch about it. However, she's certain a Cooper lady person - a spit fire who takes no nonsense.

No wonder Sheldon loves Amy so much. She's going to fit right in.

On another front, I don't follow all things so closely, but I understand that there are questions, at least in the Spoiler thread, about whether Amy should have stopped to make sure that Sheldon was really ready before having sex with him. The suggestion being that since she didn't, or was not seen doing this, she doesn't really love him. Or love him as perfectly as she's supposed to love him to be worthy of him, the central character of the show and TV crush of so many of us Shamy fans too.

My thoughts on this:

Amy wears her heart on her sleeve and always has. Sheldon doesn't. Amy moves at a faster pace than Sheldon. She has none of his particular hangups, like his phobias about germs, issues with physical contact, and all the other things in his overstuffed collection of baggage, so it's easy for her. This was always a part of the main source of friction between the two of them. After 5 years, they both know this about each other very, very well, and many of their actions and decisions in their relationship are based on this knowledge of the other.

Amy is open and when she loves, she wants to jump into it with both feet and explore it for all it's worth. We see this with her love for Penny, and the sheer joy she goes through in the beginning at finally having a real female friend. Amy runs away with that more than a bit, complimenting and fawning over her too much, and of course spending too much on her inappropriate painting as a gift. But that's just who Amy is! She loves whole-heartedly and withour reservation, and I love that about her.

Once Amy really fell in love with Sheldon she also wanted to jump in and do the same with him. It was clear from the beginning that Sheldon was way more smitten with Amy than she was with him, which was the dynamic up to about season 6. Once that sort of changed and Amy really fell for him and wanted to move forward, the two of them went through some growing pains as Amy pushed forward and Sheldon stubbornly tried to hold back.

Amy found herself running into walls, because Sheldon is the type who wants to be absolutely sure before he makes his feelings known and decides how he's going to act on them. He wants to cross his t's and dot his i's and make sure he checks everything out not just twice, but thrice. (Our man of 3's, Sheldon.) Amy's patience once she started running into those walls speaks to how much she really loves Sheldon. I know she spent some time pushing and probing at those walls from time to time, but she's in a relationship with him and she kinda has to. A relationship is a learning process, and Amy often manvered through that process like a true scientist, studying and testing his limits and responses. Some people call that manipulative, and while I can see where that point is coming from, the duel between Sheldon and Amy was always two-sided, and Sheldon was always the perfect and capable sparring partner.

In the end, Amy also had to learn to her over herself and put aside some of her romantic idealist nonsense and really appreciate the reality of who and what she had. Amy knew nothing about real relationships, she had less experience than Sheldon, and she had to learn that the romantic ideals so often sold in books and movies was not always the right things to value or expect in a romantic entanglement.

Amy is who she is; a girl who wears her heart on her sleeve and can get carried away by her feelings. And after she and Sheldon gets back together, and she finally gets that whole romantic declarative speech of love at her door she always wanted, why should she have any doubts about their relationship? If she has no doubts, why should she be holding herself back, and why would we expect a girl who so loves so hard and so passionately not to get carried away with the strength of her love for Sheldon to hold herself back?

Amy is who she is, and Sheldon knows this, which is why he would not decide to have sex with her until he was ready, and absolutely sure. Because he knows her, and he knows that once he gives her something she'll take it and run with it, and he as always respected her enough to never, ever make her any false promises about it. On top of that, she also knows this about him, very very well, and if he made this decision she already knows he must be ready. Considering the reunion and the kisses that came with it, she probably knows in her body and on some instinctual level, that he's ready because she's the girl who is in his arms and gets to feel that. All of his warmth and passion and love pouring into her in that make out session when they reunite.

And in the end, when they are in bed, Amy doesn't waltz out in her nightgown, leap in bed and attack him. She doesn't get Sheldon right where she always wanted him - in her bed - and just pounce. She has a crisis of nerves and is unsure. Sheldon reassures her by saying they will find out together - them. You and I. Us. Everything about that statement tells Amy that he is her partner and that he is in, he is all in, and he wants to do this with her, as much as her, the two of them. Then, and only then, with the reassurance from him that it's not doing this for her, but the two of them doing it together, does she reach up and gently touch his face and go to kiss him. Her kiss lightly hovers, he is the one to bridge the last whisper of distance with a more forceful, hungry kiss, locking his mouth of hers greedily just as the camera cuts out.

One can cast as many stones at Sheldon and Amy's coupling as one wants, but it remains alive and unbroken, all attempts to crack it slide meekly away as the petty and weak nitpickery nonsense it is, just leaving the ship and the awesome Shamy fandom more united, strong, and lovely then before. A happy time for our ship; we've gotten some excellent storytelling and joyous rewards for our years of devotion shipping this couple and watching this show, and we deserve it. The haters have to hate, hate, hate, but I think we can just shake, shake, shake that off.

I know there's not always perfect agreement, and I know not everyone agrees with or likes me at all times, but it's still lovely shipping with you all anyway. First Star Wars, now Meemaw. Sheldon loves Amy so damn much. And Amy ain't letting Meemaw come between her and her man either, and God knows I love Amy best when she's got her spine firmly in place.

To paraphase Sheldon in the midst of all of the shouting and bickering, "If I am allowed to speak now...the Shamy fandom FOR THE WIN."

 

Edited January 13, 2016 by Lionne

[CentralPerk]

1 hour ago, mirs1 said:

About meemaw spilling the beans on the ring I have mixed feelings. It doesn't bother me that much, but I had preferred Amy not knowing about it. I mean, this again put her in the passive position of "waiting" something from Sheldon. She waited for him to be ready for intimacy with her, and now that this new chapter in their life has just begun, she has to wait for a proposal. I know that it doesn't make too much difference (since she maybe was already waiting for the "next" step even without knowing about the ring) but now she knows for sure that it's a concrete possibility. It's strange. I guess that the purpose here is to clear things up with the audience, explaining what was going on with the ring and why Sheldon has not popped the question yet. On the other hand, it's good she knows Sheldon was much more serious in his feelings and intentions even in a period she was questioning his commitment with her. This will put some prospective in her views about what their pre-break up relationship was.

I don't mind about that because I think Amy will not waiting impatiently, in the way she will not be very needy and expecting it to come soon. I think she is secure now, even more knowing his intentions and that he was commited even before the break-up.

I think now she has the confirmation it will happen and so maybe in consequence she will be more serene.

Edited January 13, 2016 by CentralPerk

[Denyy]

Awww, Meemaw sounds just like my grandma and I love it!   And woohoo @ Amy standing up for herself, especially against someone so important. Shows that she knows their relationship is now better than ever - which is later confirmed by Sheldon defending her - and that's awesome.

Gahhhh, February can't come soon enough.

[A Shamy gal]

12 minutes ago, April said:

That's my take on it, too. Plus, apparently Leonard and Penny were also all like "we give you some privacy, wink wink, nudge nudge" so it's basically everyone expecting him to propose right then and there and I can't blame him for being like "NOPE! not like this!"

He may now want to wait to for the right time and place to propose, but what about the possibility of her proposing?  It is Leap Year after all.

[EvilStewie]

I think this is gonna bring about some power plays, As they both WANT to marry each other, and both have a role in this. He has the ring, but she can say no..  I don't think Amy would ask him, I think she would wait to have that moment. If she doesn't I'm gonna have a huge problem, cause wasn't that just her issue?  She needs to let him

[April]

3 minutes ago, A Shamy gal said:

He may now want to wait to for the right time and place to propose, but what about the possibility of her proposing?  It is Leap Year after all.

I think he always just wanted to wait for the right time and place to propose - it's just that the breakup messed up those plans and now with the recent developments he's in no hurry as they're in a good place. As said, I can see him actually planning a special occasion to ask her. I don't know if Amy would propose now that she already knows he wants to. And even more so that she knows that he knows that she knows. With the engagement being kind of a forgone conclusion now I suppose it's the best to just let his plans -whatever they might be- play out and Amy knows something great will be coming her way so she might as well wait with giddy excitement.

[A Shamy gal]

2 minutes ago, April said:

I think he always just wanted to wait for the right time and place to propose - it's just that the breakup messed up those plans and now with the recent developments he's in no hurry as they're in a good place. As said, I can see him actually planning a special occasion to ask her. I don't know if Amy would propose now that she already knows he wants to. And even more so that she knows that he knows that she knows. With the engagement being kind of a forgone conclusion now I suppose it's the best to just let his plans -whatever they might be- play out and Amy knows something great will be coming her way so she might as well wait with giddy excitement.

It's going to be interesting to see how he does it because now she knows she's going to be looking for 'the moment' he might do it. 

[boys3allc]

Was not in chat but this episode sounds ah-mah-zing! It makes sense Memaw woukd be upset about Moonpie's broken heart. After this she will love her!

IMO... Engagement is coming sooner rather than later. My orginal thought after 8.24 was we would not hear about it again until it happened. But it has popped up every few episodes.

Best guess woukd be within the next 3-4 eps it will be a done deal. I mean Sheldon knows, Amy knows, Penny knows. Come on Shelly if you like it you got to put a ring on it!

[910]

Personally, I would have rather seen them be friends longer before reconciling if they were going to drag out the proposal.  Also, it really bothered me that coitus came before the proposal.  This just puts Amy and viewers in a holding pattern again.  I hated the breakup, but post reconciliation, I just wanted them to be on equal footing again and rebuild their relationship.  I don't need to see them kissing or being affectionate all the time.  I just want to know they are genuinely happy together and not afraid to communicate.  During Sales Call Sublimation, I liked that Amy requested clarification before immediately reacting and I thought showed growth on her part.  Also, I don't care who you are, I would never stand up to my boyfriend's grandmother and act self righteous, especially meeting them for the first time.  Sheldon might stand up for Amy, but I would have rather seen Amy distraught and question herself about "am I really right for Sheldon" and Sheldon reassure Amy and his Mee-Maw that she is.

[Vittoria Jacoel]

Where is the complete taping report?

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[Marina]

5 minutes ago, Cryptokity said:

Also, I don't care who you are, I would never stand up to my boyfriend's grandmother and act self righteous, especially meeting them for the first time.  Sheldon might stand up for Amy, but I would have rather seen Amy distraught and question herself about "am I really right for Sheldon" and Sheldon reassure Amy and his Mee-Maw that she is.

Except that Meemaw was kinda of a b-word??? I mean I get that she looks out for Sheldon, and that's sweet of her, and I could have gotten her being a bit cold towards Amy, but going as far as insulting her was just over the line. Amy had her reasons for breaking up with Sheldon, and they were not all invalid. Meemaw doesn't know anything about their relationship other than what Sheldon wants to tell her, which, for all we know, might very well be biased. Saying "She broke up with me" is one thing Sheldon will definitely tell his grandmother — saying "She broke up with me because I was rude to her in front of our friends" is not something I'd see him readily admit.

Amy had her own reasons to break up with Sheldon, and Meemaw had no right to be all up in her face about it. It was rude and inconsiderate, and even condescending towards her grandson (Sheldon wanted to be back together with her, and Meemaw's disapproval of Amy is also Meemaw's doubting her Moonpie's judgement). Amy had every right to defend herself, and I'm glad she did. Gone is the time when she let others' perception of her relationship cloud her own appreciation of it (e.g. in The Love Spell Potential). I'm glad that Amy knows what she and Sheldon have is real and concerns only the two of them.

That's why I'm not happy about the ring thing. Not because it puts Amy in a situation of waiting - I think it was the next logical step anyway and she's always been kinda waiting for marriage - but because it put Sheldon in a situation where he no longer has control over it. It was his decision to choose how and when he would tell Amy he had a ring, and Meemaw robbed him off that. 

[Érika Souza]

3 minutes ago, Vittoria Jacoel said:

Where is the complete taping report?

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Please, where is? I just saw few parts about the episode and the opinions.. Isn't there a complete one? 

[camelliayao]

On 2016/1/13 at 4:33 AM, Cryptokity said:

Personally, I would have rather seen them be friends longer before reconciling if they were going to drag out the proposal.  Also, it really bothered me that coitus came before the proposal.  This just puts Amy and viewers in a holding pattern again.  I hated the breakup, but post reconciliation, I just wanted them to be on equal footing again and rebuild their relationship.  I don't need to see them kissing or being affectionate all the time.  I just want to know they are genuinely happy together and not afraid to communicate.  During Sales Call Sublimation, I liked that Amy requested clarification before immediately reacting and I thought showed growth on her part.  Also, I don't care who you are, I would never stand up to my boyfriend's grandmother and act self righteous, especially meeting them for the first time.  Sheldon might stand up for Amy, but I would have rather seen Amy distraught and question herself about "am I really right for Sheldon" and Sheldon reassure Amy and his Mee-Maw that she is.

Lol it's really hard being Sheldon's girlfriend, isn't it.

From what I read on this forum, to be a perfect girlfriend for Sheldon, one has to question herself constantly to make sure she's good enough for him. One also has to act all nice and cute even though Sheldon's grandma says"I don't like you" right to her face the first time they meet, rudely spoils the proposal to her and blames her for the break up instead of thinking like a mature woman. One has to make sure whether Sheldon is "really" ready for sex or not even though he said he is otherwise one is being inconsiderate. One also has to try to "really" like Sheldon's hobbies because apparently just sitting through all the space movies with him is not enough. 

Amy's just a girl, not a saint. Sheldon's just a man, not a unicorn with a palace and billions and billions of dollars.

This is a sitcom. The writers create those plots mainly for the purpose of laughs. I think we should just enjoy the episode and go easy on the poor girl. 

Edited January 16, 2016 by camelliayao

[jjulia]

2 minutes ago, Érika Souza said:

Please, where is? I just saw few parts about the episode and the opinions.. Isn't there a complete one?

 

12 minutes ago, Vittoria Jacoel said:

Where is the complete taping report?

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http://www.starwatchbyline.com/?p=23130

at the bottom

 

[mirs1]

3 minutes ago, Érika Souza said:

Please, where is? I just saw few parts about the episode and the opinions.. Isn't there a complete one? 

http://www.starwatchbyline.com/?p=23130

you can find it here

[April]

1 hour ago, A Shamy gal said:

It's going to be interesting to see how he does it because now she knows she's going to be looking for 'the moment' he might do it. 

Nothing would make me happier if they have some fun with that! I'd love to see some playful teasing between them. It's a forgone conclusion that he will ask and she will say yes. And they both know it. There's no indication for any sort of commitment angst lurking around the corner or whatever - so you might as well let those two lovebirds be cutesy and flirty about it - in their own unique awkwardly way, of course!

 

[boys3allc]

4 minutes ago, camelliayao said:

Lol it's really hard being Sheldon's girlfriend, isn't it.

From what I read on this forum, to be a perfect girlfriend for Sheldon, one has to question herself constantly to make sure she's good enough for him. One also has to act all nice and cute even though Sheldon's grandma says"I don't like you" right to her face the first time they meet, rudely spoils the proposal to her and blames her for the break up instead of thinking like a mature woman. One has to make sure whether Sheldon is "really" ready for sex or not even though he said he is otherwise one is being inconsiderate. One also has to try to "really" like Sheldon's hobbies because apparently just sitting through all the space movies with him is not enough. 

Amy's just a girl, not a saint. Sheldon's just a man, not a unicorn with a palace and billions and billions of dollars.

This is a sitcom. The writers creates those plots mainly for the purpose of laughs. I think we should just enjoy the episode and go easy on the poor girl. 

Yass!!!!! Slow clap for this please!

 

[Érika Souza]

53 minutes ago, mirs1 said:

http://www.starwatchbyline.com/?p=23130

you can find it here

 

54 minutes ago, jjulia said:

 

 

 

 

http://www.starwatchbyline.com/?p=23130

at the bottom

 

Thank you so much!!

[Guest]

5 hours ago, EvilStewie said:

I predicted Meemaw and Amy would be butting heads. I'm actually relieved in a lot of ways cause it could have been worse. I don't mind Amy finding out about the ring now, personally I was glad he didn't get the words out right before the breakup. It kinda played that he was gonna propose over Skype. If Amy needed time at that point because of Sheldon's "distance" ..a Skype proposal isn't gonna help. It more proves her point. Why was the ring in his desk when he called, when next time we see it its in a lock box.  Not that I think Sheldon didn't deserve more then a Skype break up after 5 years either, but I guess the real breakup happened in season 9... Still as a viewer, all these big events happening while not in the same room together hinted at the problem.   

That is why the 2 back to back Skype episodes after coitus was weird to me, the main riff seems to be about that distance, they reunite, sleep together, more distance. I don't really get it. Don't mind me .. I'm just passionate about this I guess

I understand your concern about the 2 Skype episodes.  I had them as well.  However, IMO, maybe it was just a bad plot device (her staying longer because he was sick and he can be a pain in the ass).  They could have come up with a better way of keeping her longer at the conference site.  I was under the impression it was in Detroit (don't ask me why) but if it had been somewhere in the northern states, weather would have been a better device to keep her away. (Especially at this time of year). We got stuck in Buffalo in January 2014 for a day  on our way to Florida and there were people who had been at the hotel we stayed at for a couple of days.  In other words, Sheldon being sick and being stuck somewhere because of weather could have happened at the same time.  

Or she could have gone to consult with another scientist in her field and stayed longer because of the progress they were experiencing in their work. 

Also, didn't Molaro say they wanted to get the emphasis off of Shamy for a bit.  Those episodes, especially the last three, were heavy Shamy and they needed a bit of a break from it especially if they were looking to see the general audience reaction to the Shamy coitus and how to proceed from there.

 

[kerrycec03]

Heading to the airport but I will give u my take and stuff in a few. Great episode and left with so many feels!

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