Ship Zone [Spoilers] Shamy: Season 9

[Einstein Von Brainstorm]

8 minutes ago, Cryptokity said:

I think my heart is broken even worse than the initial breakup.  I so desperately wanted Shamy to be friends and gradually reconcile so they could learn to communicate better and respect one another again.  I didn't need coitus, or kisses.  I just wanted to see them on the same page again smiling at each other. I expected Shamy 2.0 to be better with mutual quirks working together, but now it is even worse than before the breakup.  I knew the moment they jumped to coitus post reconciliation before proposal that it was only a ratings gimmick.  We are getting teased with coitus, potential children, marriage, and meeting Mee-Maw, but does anyone else notice a trend?

Every episode seems to drive home that Penny and Leonard know Sheldon better than Amy or that Amy is an inferior girlfriend.

-Amy is now waiting on a ring, just like she was waiting on physical intimacy.

-Penny feels sympathy for Sheldon, but chastises Leonard.

-Penny confides in Sheldon, but does not confide in Leonard.

-Sheldon confides in Penny, but does not confide in Amy.

-Mee-Maw loves Penny, the woman who has it all, but chastises Amy.

-Penny takes care of sick Sheldon while Amy avoids him.

-Amy calls the ring "hand me down."

-Amy hurt Sheldon by breaking up.

-Amy can call to get the recipe for Mee-Maw's cookies, but doesn't know why he is called moonpie.

-Amy and Sheldon both lost their virginities to each other, but only Sheldon's is ever mentioned being taken.

-Sheldon grew from the breakup, but Amy still has work to do.

-Amy will never get to sit in Sheldon's spot.

-Sheldon is forced out of obligation to take Amy's side against Mee-maw.

Even when Sheldon didn't like Penny in the first few seasons, he could still be very sweet to her.  Sheldon's affection for Amy during season 4 seems non-existent. This is the same slow degradation of Amy that they did to Leonard, and I honestly think I cannot watch anymore.

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[Soopysue]

8 minutes ago, jlove said:

Oh I forgot!  I seem to remember that Amy also told Meemaw at one point to either stop talking to him or about him like he is a child, that he's an adult.  She is so good for him.

Does anyone else who was there remember that?

Thanks so much for all you've told us and in so much detail  

can I ask a quick question ? - did you still feel Shamy are on track and ok after this ? - I assume all is fine and Meemaw was just be super protective of her Moonpie but I'm worried the under tone is more angst - which I think we can all do without !!!. So just need it confirmed all is still fine in Shamyland ?!! . Thank you again xX

[Einstein Von Brainstorm]

12 minutes ago, jlove said:

Oh I forgot!  I seem to remember that Amy also told Meemaw at one point to either stop talking to him or about him like he is a child, that he's an adult.  She is so good for him.

Does anyone else who was there remember that?

I hope that was indeed said cus someone needs to tell her, Mary and Leonard to leave the man to grow up! ... of course that wouldn't be very funny so I doubt it will happen 

[kazzie]

16 minutes ago, jlove said:

Oh I forgot!  I seem to remember that Amy also told Meemaw at one point to either stop talking to him or about him like he is a child, that he's an adult.  She is so good for him.

Does anyone else who was there remember that?

YUP.

Amy really stood up to Meemaw, defending herself and Sheldon.

[joyceraye]

1 hour ago, amethyst said:

Jlove thank you so much for the report,it's greatly appreciated!

Yes indeed ! Thank you very much. I wish Sheldon had admitted to Meemaw how he'd provoked the breakup instead of throwing Amy under the bus. 

[2L344]

Just watched sneak peek 2 posted up on the CBS site for 9.13, this is the Skype convo where Sheldon complains to Amy about everyone being mean to him when he's sick...after seeing that clip I'm feeling a whole lot better about Amy staying in Detroit, hilarious! Sheldon looked pretty damned healthy, almost like he was feigning illness to get some attention. Suck it up buttercup! Amy was pretty funny in the scene....

[kazzie]

7 minutes ago, Soopysue said:

Thanks so much for all you've told us and in so much detail  

can I ask a quick question ? - did you still feel Shamy are on track and ok after this ? - I assume all is fine and Meemaw was just be super protective of her Moonpie but I'm worried the under tone is more angst - which I think we can all do without !!!. So just need it confirmed all is still fine in Shamyland ?!! . Thank you again xX

They are most certainly on track. You can tell they are deeply in love. Sheldon was so excited when Amy arrived at 4A to meet Meemaw. He was prompting amy to ask Meemaw for a tissue taping her arm as he did so (Meemaw keeps tissues up here sleeve, Sheldon see's this a spiderman reference and adores it)

Later when Sheldon came into defend Amy, He had no hesitation in putting his arm around her, Even if it was for only a short time. Sheldon was Sheldon in the way he described to Meemaw why he stuck by Amy, And Amy helped him with what he was trying to see. He agreed that they both have grown together. It was really touching actually.

[April]

21 minutes ago, jlove said:

Oh I forgot!  I seem to remember that Amy also told Meemaw at one point to either stop talking to him or about him like he is a child, that he's an adult.  She is so good for him.

Does anyone else who was there remember that?

Please let this be true. Please let this be true. Please let this be true. I'd be delighted if that was in the script, can someone confirm? Nevermind:

4 minutes ago, kazzie said:

YUP.

Amy really stood up to Meemaw, defending herself and Sheldon.

HALLELUJAH!! BLESS HER!! ILU AMY!!! <3

Cause I was just about to write something along those lines in reply to this comment:

46 minutes ago, A Shamy gal said:

I don't like her saying that Sheldon needs more looking after than most.  It's not correct.  Sheldon gets people to look after him, but he's more than capable of looking after himself.  He went off to University at a really young age on his own.  He went to Germany when he was 15 and was left on his own - he had to learn to look after himself.  If she thinks he needs looking after more than most where has she been the last nine years?

I do think that Amy is one of the few people who don't pamper Sheldon to the point of treating him like a child. Yes, she's forgiving a lot and very patient, but for the most part she isn't enabling his bad behaviour.

6 minutes ago, 2L344 said:

Just watched sneak peek 2 posted up on the CBS site for 9.13, this is the Skype convo where Sheldon complains to Amy about everyone being mean to him when he's sick...after seeing that clip I'm feeling a whole lot better about Amy staying in Detroit, hilarious! Sheldon looked pretty damned healthy, almost like he was feigning illness to get some attention. Suck it up buttercup! Amy was pretty funny in the scene....

I also liked how this played out. Very charming actually. I don't blame her for staying away, Sheldon is flat out stating that he's using his illness as an excuse to be an ass without any sort of remorse. And I don't even think he's faking it but rather was already feeling better at this point. But still, there's a difference between being cranky when you're ill and being extra obnoxious because you think you being ill excuses your behaviour

[Soopysue]

11 minutes ago, kazzie said:

They are most certainly on track. You can tell they are deeply in love. Sheldon was so excited when Amy arrived at 4A to meet Meemaw. He was prompting amy to ask Meemaw for a tissue taping her arm as he did so (Meemaw keeps tissues up here sleeve, Sheldon see's this a spiderman reference and adores it)

Later when Sheldon came into defend Amy, He had no hesitation in putting his arm around her, Even if it was for only a short time. Sheldon was Sheldon in the way he described to Meemaw why he stuck by Amy, And Amy helped him with what he was trying to see. He agreed that they both have grown together. It was really touching actually.

Thank you so much Kazzie. I feel so much better now  

cant tell you how much I appreciate all you do . X

[910]

31 minutes ago, Einstein Von Brainstorm said:

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Ready the last paragraph of my initial post.  Why put us through the turmoil of a breakup if Sheldon is going to grow, but not Amy?  Especially when Mayim says better communication, no makeup sex, and Jim is the one doing the pelvis dance.  Yet, on the screen, Amy is the one pressuring Sheldon for sex and Sheldon has grown, but Amy hasn't.  I thought the writers actually wrote to the character's strengths.  Instead the writers destroyed Leonard, and they are starting to destroy Amy too.  I just want the same affection Sheldon shows for Penny to actually be shown to Amy.  Or I want Amy to be allowed to do for once all the things that Penny has done for Sheldon.  Is that too much to ask?

Edited January 13, 2016 by Cryptokity

[jlove]

26 minutes ago, Soopysue said:

Thanks so much for all you've told us and in so much detail  

can I ask a quick question ? - did you still feel Shamy are on track and ok after this ? - I assume all is fine and Meemaw was just be super protective of her Moonpie but I'm worried the under tone is more angst - which I think we can all do without !!!. So just need it confirmed all is still fine in Shamyland ?!! . Thank you again xX

Yes, I think Shamy are fine.  Nothing Meemaw said seemed to give Sheldon one moment of pause to doubt his relationship with Amy, nor did it seem to make her reconsider anything.  These are facts that I love.  :-)

19 minutes ago, 2L344 said:

Just watched sneak peek 2 posted up on the CBS site for 9.13, this is the Skype convo where Sheldon complains to Amy about everyone being mean to him when he's sick...after seeing that clip I'm feeling a whole lot better about Amy staying in Detroit, hilarious! Sheldon looked pretty damned healthy, almost like he was feigning illness to get some attention. Suck it up buttercup! Amy was pretty funny in the scene....

That scene is after he is already better.  The episode starts with him healthy (like the still released of him standing in this robe), the sickness occurs in flashbacks.

[Einstein Von Brainstorm]

3 minutes ago, Cryptokity said:

Ready the last paragraph of my initial post.  Why put us through the turmoil of a breakup if Sheldon is going to grow, but not Amy?  Especially when Mayim says better communication, no makeup sex, and Jim is the one doing the pelvis dance.  Yet, on the screen, Amy is the one pressuring for sex.  I thought the writers actually wrote to the character's strengths, rather than destroy their them.  I hate how the writers have destroyed Amy and Leonard.  I just want the same affection Sheldon shows for Penny to actually be shown to Amy for once.  Or I want Amy to be allowed to do for once all the things that Penny has done for Sheldon.  Is that too much to ask?

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[brilliantfool]

2 hours ago, tsnt100 said:

Wow, you have an amazing memory @jlove! I only remember the useless details, like that Raj loves the good dinosaur and has some lilo and stitch collectibles lol

no details are useless!

If you remember any details about Raj/their Frozen conversation, can you please share?

* i know this is a Shamy thread, but i soo don't wanna go to the Discussion thread right now lol.

And could you share in more details please if you remember, what was Amy's reaction when she's found out he had a ring? I know she was in a middle of a fight with Meemaw and probably shocked because of that, but she must have been taken aback by finding out he had a ring? and very happy about it? or was her reaction not shown in detail?

Edited January 13, 2016 by brilliantfool

[mirs1]

11 minutes ago, Cryptokity said:

Ready the last paragraph of my initial post.  Why put us through the turmoil of a breakup if Sheldon is going to grow, but not Amy?  Especially when Mayim says better communication, no makeup sex, and Jim is the one doing the pelvis dance.  Yet, on the screen, Amy is the one pressuring Sheldon for sex and Sheldon has grown, but Amy hasn't.  I thought the writers actually wrote to the character's strengths.  Instead the writers destroyed Leonard, and they are starting to destroy Amy too.  I just want the same affection Sheldon shows for Penny to actually be shown to Amy.  Or I want Amy to be allowed to do for once all the things that Penny has done for Sheldon.  Is that too much to ask?

Just a little thing...Mayim and Jim have no control whatsoever on the writing and the plot. Mayim can say whatever she wants about makeup sex and Jim can dance whatever he likes, but at the end of the day they have to perform what the writers put in their script. For the rest of your post, I guess we are watching different shows...

Edited January 13, 2016 by mirs1

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26 minutes ago, April said:

Please let this be true. Please let this be true. Please let this be true. I'd be delighted if that was in the script, can someone confirm? Nevermind:

HALLELUJAH!! BLESS HER!! ILU AMY!!! <3

Cause I was just about to write something along those lines in reply to this comment:

I do think that Amy is one of the few people who don't pamper Sheldon to the point of treating him like a child. Yes, she's forgiving a lot and very patient, but for the most part she isn't enabling his bad behaviour.

Oh I so hope this is true.  I will even delete my previous post if this is the route the writers are actually taking under the guise that there are still problems.  I think you might have restarted my heart.

[brilliantfool]

@jlove ty so much for such a detailed TR!!

Can you share , what was your feeling regarding Sheldon telling Amy 'and you never will!' regarding his spot? was it just old school Sheldon for laughs? 

I suppose it was, but it kinda hurt to read that :/ 

What was Amy's reaction, she didn't get hurt by that?

I suppose it's all ok since all of you guys who went say Shamy are fine & happy, but this line just doesn't let me feel totally blissed in my shamy heaven 

[jenafan]

2 hours ago, jlove said:

The Meemaw Materialization

There were two main storylines this week: Sheldon’s Meemaw visiting and Raj meeting a new woman.  Howardette was really only in the episode as support for the Raj story and Lenny was really only shown as a support to the Meemaw story.

The episode started with Sheldon, Leonard and Penny arriving in the lobby.  Sheldon gets the mail and finds a letter from Meemaw saying she is coming for a visit.  Leonard and Sheldon pick Meemaw up at the airport.  She immediately calls him Moonpie.  :-)
Sheldon says something insensitive to or about Leonard and Meemaw makes him apologize.  Leonard asks is she can stay with them forever.

Back at 4A Sheldon and Meemaw are alone, waiting for Amy to arrive.  When she knocks Sheldon jumps up excitedly and goes to answer the door, telling Meemaw he is sure they will get along great and that they have the same fashion sense.  Amy greets Meemaw and notices right away that Meemaw is sitting in his spot, saying “Even I don't get to sit there” to which Sheldon responds “And you never will.”  Sheldon goes to put Meemaw’s suitcase away, Meemaw telling him not look in the suitcase for presents because he might not only find that, but might also find her “brassieres and bloomers.”  Sheldon says that is a risk he is willing to take and runs down the hall.
As soon as he is gone, while Amy is attempting to make small talk , Meemaw says they should cut to the chase.  Sheldon doesn't know it but the real purpose of her visit is to size up Amy.  She says Mary may be fine with her but she's not so sure.  Amy is shocked and says she's sure Meemaw will like her once she gets to know her.  Sheldon runs back in with the train set Meemaw got him, oblivious to the conversation that just occurred and asks why Amy doesn't look happy when she'll get to watch  him play with his trains.

Later Leonard and Penny have joined Sheldon, Amy and Meemaw in 4A.  Meemaw calls Sheldon Moonpie again and Amy asks why she uses that nickname.  Meemaw says it is “because he is yummy yummy” before Sheldon, Leonard and Penny all join her to say “and she could just eat him up.”  Meemaw then pointed,y says it is strange how Leonard and Penny know that but Amy doesn't.  Then Meemaw says she heard Penny has a new job and Penny confirms that she is now a pharmaceutical sales rep.  Meemaw says she thinks it's wonderful that women today can have it all:  love and a fulfilling career.  Amy pipes up to say she has a great career as well, but Meemaw says that that doesn't bode well.  Amy is confused and asks why it is good for Penny but not her.  Meemaw says that Sheldon needs a lot more care than Leonard, and also Sheldon has told her that Leonard's job is really more of a hobby anyway.

The conversation deteriorates and it is clear that Meemaw has a problem with Amy.  She basically comes right out and says that she doesn't like her, to which Amy replies that maybe she doesn't like Meemaw either.  Sheldon is literally caught on the middle of the two women, as Meemaw is in his spot and Amy is on the other end of the couch.  Sheldon says they have to like each other, they have a 4:30 reservation at Applebee’s.  Amy says maybe she should go and gets up to leave.  Sheldon tries to stop her, but she tells him that as soon as he left the room earlier Meemaw started being mean to her.  Meemaw says he should let her go and “don't you dare give her that engagement ring you have.”  Right in front of Amy.  Totally intentional, no slip up. Amy immediately asks Sheldon what she means and how long he's had a ring.
At this point Leonard says he and Penny should leave and give them some privacy.  Penny tells him to go ahead, she'll come later.
Sheldon tells Amy that he got the ring from his mother and was thinking about giving it to her before the breakup.  Amy then asks Penny if she knew about this, at which point Penny jumps up with Leonard and leaves “to give them some privacy.”

Mermaw interrupts the conversation and Amy tells him to tell her to keep out of it but Sheldon, obviously uncomfortable with standing up to his Meemaw,  says he can't do that.  Then Meemaw says to tell Amy “that that ring will never be on her finger,” but he says he doesn’t  want to do that, either. Amy also says that if Sheldon wants to propose to her she “doesn’t need her hand-me-down ring.”  (Personal note: Ugh, this scene was really hard for me to watch.). Then I think it is  Meemaw who says Sheldon should leave her and Amy alone to talk.

Leonard and Penny are in 4B, talking about the situation.  Penny tells a story about how things with her grandma were less exciting than that last time she saw her.  Sheldon knocks and comes in, telling them the two women made him leave them to talk.  Then he asks which of them is going to go get his train for him from the apartment.

Amy and Meemaw are alone.  Amy says she knows Meemaw doesn't think she is right for Sheldon, bit that she is “his best shot” and that Meemaw doesn't have any idea how much she puts up with.  Meemaw counters that she knows what it is like putting up with a frustrating, egotistical, hard-headed man because that's what Pop-pop was like.  Amy says “Really?”  Meemaw confirms that there were days when she “wanted to fill his pockets with corn and toss him into the hog pen.”  Amy asks, if that is the case, why she is being so hard on her.  Meemaw says it is because “When you broke up with Sheldon you really hurt him, and I don't want to see that happen again.”

Leonard and Penny come back into 4A, apologizing for the interruption but saying that Sheldon has something he wants to say, to which he replies from the hallway “No I don't.”  However he immediately comes in and sits back down on the couch between Meemaw and Amy once again.  He tells Meemaw that he is sorry, but he has to defend his girlfriend.  Amy is obviously pleased and thanks him.  Sheldon says that he knows Pop-pop was a difficult man, but that he watched them and he knows that Meemaw made him a better man with her patience and love and caring.  He says that these past 5 years that's what he's “been doing with this little work in progress here,” putting his arm around Amy's shoulders as he says so.  Leonard and Penny are still by the door and Leonard comments that he never fails to disappoint.
Amy tells Meemaw “I think what he means is that we've both grown together, right?” looking to Sheldon to confirm.  When he hesitates Penny says “Oh just say yes!” so he does.
Meemaw says that if that is how he really feels, then she won't stand in their way.  Amy asks if that means that if Sheldon wants to give her that ring then they have her blessing to which she replies something unenthusiastic like “I guess so.”  Amy then smiles in her cute excited-but-trying-to-be-coy way, and rubs Sheldon's shoulder, trying to catch his eye.  He looks at her and realizes what she's doing, then exclaims “I just gave you my virginity, cool your jets!” Before smiling at Meemaw and back at Amy.

 

Thank you so much, jlove, for such a detailed report.   Spreading love for you all around.

 

Now about the spoilers, I'm going to reserve final judgment until I see the final episode, but I am shuddering a bit here:

1.  I guess Amy got Meemaw's cookie recipe from Mary, since it seems Mary is her fan and not Meemaw.

2.  I have to wash the egg off my face.   I honestly thought Meemaw would love Amy, and that she was only upset about the break up.   However, there seems to be more causing her demeanor towards her.   Also, I misunderstood the info from the chatroom last night that said Meemaw let the ring slip unintentionally.   Definitely sounds deliberate here.  So, I have to take back some of my earlier post.

3.  Meemaw chastised Amy for not knowing why Sheldon calls her moon pie, but why is this Amy's fault if Sheldon has chosen not to reveal it to her?   If Penny knows more than Amy, it is because Sheldon has revealed more to Penny.    Sheldon has been outted by his own grandmother for being neglectful in letting Amy into his life.   Penny has always gotten dibs on Amy regarding Sheldon's intentions, including wanting coitus with her.

4.  It seems Meemaw is old-fashioned, thinking that because Sheldon is so accomplished that Amy should give up her career and to support and take care of him because that is what he needs.   I guess Meemaw is not a feminist.  (Is this a foreshadow of things to come, arguments between Shamy on career vs. family?   Sheldon thinks neurobiology is stupid anyway.  Oh no!)

5.  Sheldon will give Amy his genitals but says she will never sit in his spot.   Sounds like S4/S5 Sheldon all over again.   Cringing here.

6.  Amy is with Sheldon because she thinks she is his best shot.   Does she think she is some kind of prize?   What?

7.  Amy insults the ring by calling it a hand-me-down.   I thought she'd be more appreciative.

8.  Is Sheldon defending Amy because he wants to or because Penny put him up to it from the other room?

 

I'm just concerned that some of these things are a foreshadowing of drama to come, but at the same time it makes me wonder if Meemaw is pulling a Mary and testing the waters just to make sure that Sheldon and Amy both know and are sure about where they are headed by playing indifference with "I guess so" in her blessing at the end.

 

Now for the cute moments:

1.  Sheldon loves the way Amy dresses.  

2.  Sheldon being all affectionate with Amy while defending her.

3.  Sheldon admitting to his "sin" in front of his Meemaw.   He's not ashamed at all.

4.  Meemaw confirming that happiness and longevity can be achieved being married to a difficult man and she doesn't want to see Sheldon hurt by someone who perhaps doesn't get that.

5.  Sheldon and his trains again.   It's good to know that his being mugged during his 45-day trek didn't ruin it for him.

The writers are causing Meemaw to be Sheldon's voice over the break up.    Through her, Amy really gets to understand just how badly she hurt Sheldon.  He is so smitten with Amy right now, he doesn't want to broach the subject himself.  He is absolutely convinced that he wouldn't know what he does now if the break up didn't happen.  That shows growth on his part, even if he wants to turn the tables toward her to take the spotlight off himself.   The key is that Amy gets it by smiling back and translating for him.

Obviously, Shamy still have some work to do on their relationship, but it seems they are getting there.

 

I'm looking forward to how all this plays out on screen.

[mirs1]

45 minutes ago, 2L344 said:

Just watched sneak peek 2 posted up on the CBS site for 9.13, this is the Skype convo where Sheldon complains to Amy about everyone being mean to him when he's sick...after seeing that clip I'm feeling a whole lot better about Amy staying in Detroit, hilarious! Sheldon looked pretty damned healthy, almost like he was feigning illness to get some attention. Suck it up buttercup! Amy was pretty funny in the scene....

I also liked the casual way he was lying in his bed. In general he is so controlled in all his gestures and poses, I figured out the Skype call with him rigidly sitting on a chair or on his bed, like in the Skype calls they usually have. It was more "intimate"...I liked it. And, as I told, good for Amy to skip some of his  crankiness for a while...the girl is learning!

Edited January 13, 2016 by mirs1

[A Shamy gal]

9 minutes ago, jenafan said:

Thank you so much, jlove, for such a detailed report.   Spreading love for you all around.

 

Now about the spoilers, I'm going to reserve final judgment until I see the final episode, but I am shuddering a bit here:

1.  I guess Amy got Meemaw's cookie recipe from Mary, since it seems Mary is her fan and not Meemaw.

2.  I have to wash the egg off my face.   I honestly thought Meemaw would love Amy, and that she was only upset about the break up.   However, there seems to be more causing her demeanor towards her.   Also, I misunderstood the info from the chatroom last night that said Meemaw let the ring slip unintentionally.   Definitely sounds deliberate here.  So, I have to take back some of my earlier post.

3.  Meemaw chastised Amy for not knowing why Sheldon calls her moon pie, but why is this Amy's fault if Sheldon has chosen not to reveal it to her?   If Penny knows more than Amy, it is because Sheldon has revealed more to Penny.    Sheldon has been outted by his own grandmother for being neglectful in letting Amy into his life.   Penny has always gotten dibs on Amy regarding Sheldon's intentions, including wanting coitus with her.

4.  It seems Meemaw is old-fashioned, thinking that because Sheldon is so accomplished that Amy should give up her career and to support and take care of him because that is what he needs.   I guess Meemaw is not a feminist.  (Is this a foreshadow of things to come, arguments between Shamy on career vs. family?   Sheldon thinks neurobiology is stupid anyway.  Oh no!)

5.  Sheldon will give Amy his genitals but says she will never sit in his spot.   Sounds like S4/S5 Sheldon all over again.   Cringing here.

6.  Amy is with Sheldon because she thinks she is his best shot.   Does she think she is some kind of prize?   What?

7.  Amy insults the ring by calling it a hand-me-down.   I thought she'd be more appreciative.

8.  Is Sheldon defending Amy because he wants to or because Penny put him up to it from the other room?

 

I'm just concerned that some of these things are a foreshadowing of drama to come, but at the same time it makes me wonder if Meemaw is pulling a Mary and testing the waters just to make sure that Sheldon and Amy both know and are sure about where they are headed by playing indifference with "I guess so" in her blessing at the end.

 

Now for the cute moments:

1.  Sheldon loves the way Amy dresses.  

2.  Sheldon being all affectionate with Amy while defending her.

3.  Sheldon admitting to his "sin" in front of his Meemaw.   He's not ashamed at all.

4.  Meemaw confirming that happiness and longevity can be achieved being married to a difficult man and she doesn't want to see Sheldon hurt by someone who perhaps doesn't get that.

5.  Sheldon and his trains again.   It's good to know that his being mugged during his 45-day trek didn't ruin it for him.

The writers are causing Meemaw to be Sheldon's voice over the break up.    Through her, Amy really gets to understand just how badly she hurt Sheldon.  He is so smitten with Amy right now, he doesn't want to broach the subject himself.  He is absolutely convinced that he wouldn't know what he does now if the break up didn't happen.  That shows growth on his part, even if he wants to turn the tables toward her to take the spotlight off himself.   The key is that Amy gets it by smiling back and translating for him.

Obviously, Shamy still have some work to do on their relationship, but it seems they are getting there.

 

I'm looking forward to how all this plays out on screen.

3. The only reason Penny knows Meemaw calls Sheldon Moonpie is because she read her letter to him when she was supposed to be looking for his flash drive years ago and she made him tell her.

7. That to me sounds like an angry reaction to finding out he had a ring for her before they broke up and that Penny knew about it.

Edited January 13, 2016 by A Shamy gal

[jenafan]

3 minutes ago, A Shamy gal said:

3. The only reason Penny knows Meemaw calls Sheldon Moonpie is because she read her letter to him when she was supposed to be looking for his flash drive years and she made him tell her.

7. That to me sounds like an angry reaction to finding out he had a ring for her before they broke up and that Penny knew about it.

3.   Thanks for the feedback.   That does put a better setting on the whole thing.

7.  No, I am not bothered that she knows about the ring.   I'm bothered that she insulted the ring itself by calling it a hand-me down as if she could find one at the bottom of a goodwill bag.  Perhaps it rubbed me wrong because I know the history about his great great grandmother losing her finger wearing it.  It's not just a hand-me down.   It's a piece of Cooper heritage.   She may not know the history, but she could show some respect for a family heirloom.

[Ranger Rosa]

I would post this at the Discussion Thread, but since there is a hostile environment, I rather post it here.
NBC will make a 'Friends' reunion at February 21 in a 2 hour special as a tribute to James Burrows, who directed 1000 tv episodes. Many casts from shows he directed will be at the show, including "The Big Bang Theory"
source:http://tvline.com/2016/01/13/friends-reunion-cast-james-burrows-nbc-special/

I so wanna see this...

[wowbagger]

Thanks for the taping reports, jlove! Wonderful job! And thanks for the additional details, kerry and kazzie!

Hurrah for Amy snapping 'Well, maybe I don't like you!' There's my girl. Confident of her own worth and in no mood for some overprotective (grand)mother figure's bullshit.

Hurrah, again, for Amy telling Meemaw not to treat Sheldon like a child.

AHAHAHAHAHAHA for Sheldon's hilariously, characteristically egoistic comparison of himself to Meemaw and his 'little work in progress' to Pop-pop! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! Never change, Shelly-bean. April, I completely agree that this was akin to his 'I like you, quirks and all' speech- that was exactly what I thought when I read it. And you know what, Sheldon? You have done so much work in the recent past that you get to call yourself the saintly reformer, just this once. Especially since your idea of a saintly reformer (Meemaw) is.....kind of a bitch. I say this with love. She sounds awesome. Can't you just imagine the showrunners watching Downton Abbey and musing 'Now, how can we bring on a Dowager Countess Violet character, but for the show? I know- Meemaw!' Well played, show.

Now for the thing that makes me a bit twitchy:

3 hours ago, jlove said:

Amy says she knows Meemaw doesn't think she is right for Sheldon, bit that she is “his best shot” and that Meemaw doesn't have any idea how much she puts up with.

(Sucks air through teeth) ooooo, I don't know if I like that. I know Amy was upset, and when you're upset you don't always choose the best words (and everybody who attended the taping, correct me if it plays differently), but 'his best shot'? Not a fan. It makes Amy sound a little....what? Entitled? Up herself (and not in an amusing way)? Like Sheldon should be grateful she came back, because she's the best he'll do? It's just such an unfortunate choice of words, and if I were a rabidly protective grandmother interrogating the woman whose behaviour hurt my darling grandson, a line like that would make me see red.

And also- Amy, Amy, Amy. Don't you realise by now? You are not Sheldon's 'best shot'. You are his only 'shot'. Not because there are no takers, but because he is not interested in anyone else. I know that Sheldon isn't irreplaceable to you the way you are to him, but it hurts  when you make throwaway remarks that make you sound so callous about this yawning power chasm between the two of you.

And if you wanted to get Meemaw on side, why didn't you just tell her the 'eggs' remark that pushed you to break up with him? What a clear example of the sort of crap that you didn't want to put up with!

 

ETA: Any of my fellow Shamies who read PG Wodehouse (specifically the Blandings Castle stories), did you giggle at the reveal that Meemaw's name was 'Constance'? Another seemingly-sweet-but-really-terrifying lady?

Edited January 13, 2016 by wowbagger

[jlove]

Ok, so here are some of my thoughts. 

THINGS I LOVED:

Amy standing up for Sheldon, saying he is a grown man not a child

Amy standing up for herself saying maybe she doesn't like Meemaw either (after being soundly provoked)

Amy staying to talk to Meemaw after Sheldon left.  No she doesnt' like how she's being treated, and no Meemaw isn't being fair.  BUT Amy doesn't run away from the fight, so to speak.  She knows this is important to Sheldon and she wants to face it head on and she doesn't leave Sheldon to deal with it.  Yay for her.

Sheldon's obvious excitement at having Meemaw and Amy meet, before it all goes to hell.

Meemaw having reservations about Amy after, in all likelihood, talking with a very bereft Sheldon on multiple occasions during the time they were apart.  Yes, I do like that Meemaw was protective of Sheldon, just not how she went about it.  Frankly I'm still ok with Amy hearing how hard it was for Sheldon because I'm not convinced she really knows.  She saw a lot of angry Sheldon, but not heartbroken Sheldon.  And some could say they're back together and it is water under the bridge, etc., but I think it was a critical enough time period in Sheldon's life and personal development that she could stand to do with a little more info about what he went through.  Yes, she sees the outcome now, but the journey can be important, too.

Sheldon's virginity comment.  He said it.  In front of Meemaw.  He's not ashamed of their physical relationship.  He's not trying to hide anything or deny anything.  Yay!  Even knowing this will certainly get back to Mary.  It's just something they do and people can know.  Whew.  Also, the choice of wording (and this was my 2nd most shocked moment of the taping so the first time through I didn't even hear half of it because we were all laugh-screaming so loud, but I *think* the 2nd time he started with "Woman" (one of my favorite Sheldonisms) and definitely followed with "I just gave you my virginity, cool your jets!"  This is genius because of COURSE with the discussion that just occurred Amy is going to be looking at him or outright asking him "So, are we doing this now?"  I mean, of course she is.  He didn't say no, or even get annoyed at her asking.  "Cool your jets" is pretty much synonymous with "hold your horses" which is to say "just hang on, it's coming..."  I understand he was completely put on the spot by Meemaw and certainly didn't intend to propose that moment.  But I don't think it's because he doesn't want to get engaged or is having second thoughts, I assume he's already been pondering the when and how since the reconcilation, since we know he was ready to "give it to her" (the ring, this time) in Spock.  But Sheldon likes to plan, and I think he's planning.  He could have said a lot of things.  "Cool your jets" doesn't make me worry at all.

THINGS I DIDNT LOVE:

That it was Meemaw who said these things.  Amy has had to fight for any scrap of acceptance from everyone her WHOLE life.  Sheldon immediately liked her for who she is, but as soon as he started having feelings for her she started having to fight for affection from him as well (we've all read/posted long diatribes about how even their early camaraderie felt damaged by his withdrawl as their relationship progressed).  She never had ANY friends and even had to worm her way in with the Penny and Bernadette before she became accepted. (Remember The Hook-Up Reverberation?  "What if you just hang around and pretend to be her friend until you wear her down?  I mean the next thing you know you're in her home eating her food, drinking her wine...")  I would have loved for there to be ONE person, ONE place where she was immediately loved and welcomed with open arms without having to earn/justify/prove herself worthy.  Meemaw could have been the perfect opportunity for that...now I'm not sure there is anywhere for it to be found on the show, and that makes me a little sad for Amy.

Amy's statement to Meemaw that she "is his best shot."  As if that's all that matters - like Sheldon was looking for a woman and he is so difficult and so out there that he should just take her because she's his best shot.  What the literal hell?  The right answer has something to do with the fact that they LOVE each other and they GET each other like no one else every could they WANT to be together.  Not because he can't get someone better or because he's getting old and just needs to have someone so he's gotta take what he can get or whatver.  I really, really hated the wording here.

Amy complaining about how much "she puts up with" with Sheldon.  Sweetie, this was the moment to confess your love for Sheldon, to tell Meemaw why you two are so good together, to show her that you're the best thing in the world for her beloved Moonpie, not for you to gripe about how difficult he is.

That Amy didn't say anything after Meemaw said that she really hurt him with the breakup "and I don't want that to happen again."  It would have been awesome to hear "It won't" or "I don't want that either" or "We both made mistakes in the past but we've gotten beyond that and the important thing now is the future" or "I'm sorry, it hurts me to know I hurt him, too" or anything, really.  How great would a little speech about how she loves him and wants to spend the rest of her life proving it to him and to Meemaw and everyone else in the world (since the ring had already come up they were already down the rabbit hole, she totally could have said something like that.)  I would have just loved for her to say something that showed Meemaw that this really was the real thing, that Amy really wasn't out to hurt him and be able to giver her REAL blessing going forward.

 

So yeah, LOTS of good.  My one gripe really is that, though Meemaw was acting kind of like a b*tch I think Amy blew a chance here...though she was backed into a corner and attacked repeatedly, so she wasn't in her right mind I'm quite sure.  But overall, yes, lots of good, too.  I'll be interested to see how/when/if this whole debacle is ever mentioned again...

 

Edited January 13, 2016 by jlove

[camelliayao]

54 minutes ago, Cryptokity said:

Ready the last paragraph of my initial post.  Why put us through the turmoil of a breakup if Sheldon is going to grow, but not Amy?  Especially when Mayim says better communication, no makeup sex, and Jim is the one doing the pelvis dance.  Yet, on the screen, Amy is the one pressuring for sex.  I thought the writers actually wrote to the character's strengths, rather than destroy their them.  I hate how the writers have destroyed Amy and Leonard.  I just want the same affection Sheldon shows for Penny to actually be shown to Amy for once.  Or I want Amy to be allowed to do for once all the things that Penny has done for Sheldon.  Is that too much to ask?

I'm sorry what exactly has Penny done for Sheldon that Amy doesn't do? To take care of him when he's sick? Oh please, Amy is his emergency contact, remember? She probably had taken of him thousands of times before whether he was really sick or not. This one time she's away and gets lazy, she's the worst? Cut her some slack, will ya? Besides I think any person can tell this is just a lame excuse the writers use to keep Amy away for another week.

What exactly are the affections that Sheldon shows for Penny but he doesn't show for Amy? The napkin hug? I'm sorry but that's the affections Sheldon shows for Leonard Nimoy. If it was any other person that gives him the napkin, even Howard, he'd still hug her/him. The soft kitty thing which all Shenny fans loves to mention so much? That's just Sheldon being a gentleman. If it was any other person dislocates his/her shoulder and asks for his help, he'd still be a hero and takes actions. That's because Sheldon is a kind person, not because Penny means something to him.

Meemaw doesn't like Amy in this episode because Amy is so important to Sheldon, Meemaw has to make sure that Amy is the right person for Sheldon in every way. Meemaw loves Penny because, well she doesn't really care what kind of person Penny is. If Penny is Sheldon's girlfriend, they may have broken up for a thousand of times by now, and you think Meemaw would still love Penny?

To be honest, I don't think Sheldon ever shows affections for Penny. He likes her mostly when he can take some advantages of her. In fact, why don't you tell us one time when Sheldon does something for Penny only for the purpose of making her happy and from the heart, like the time when Sheldon tries so hard to make Amy happy that he chases her downstairs, or he gives up Star Wars just to be with Amy on her birthday, or he tries to take care of Amy because "he cares about her well being".

Sure there're moments when Penny and Sheldon have this weird chemistry that makes Sheldon do things that he uaually doesn't do around other people. But Sheldon does a lot of things he usually doesn't do because of Amy too.

And you know what's the difference between Penny and Amy?

With Penny, he does most of the things because either he wants something from her, for example, her advice; or, he is forced to do those things, for example the love experiment or the time when his mother forces him to apologize to Penny.

With Amy, Sheldon does those things because he likes/loves her and he's attacted to her. He knocks on Amy's door in the middle of the night because he needs to resolve the issues between them and tells her "I like you for who you are, quirks and all". He takes care of her because he's worried about her well being. He makes her his emergency contact because he trusts her from the heart. He sits through old French movies with her because he wants her happy and apparently watching her sparkly eyes is enjoyable. He kisses her because he wants to, he makes love to her because she's Amy.

Let me put it this way, Sheldon and Penny have these "moments" mostly because of their personality differences. There's no love or affection. That's why Shenny was and will never be a thing. Amy and Sheldon may have more conflicts. They may fight, get mad at each other, argue, negotiate, break up, etc. He may not be open to her completely. She may be selfish sometimes. But that's because they're in love.

Their love is so strong that they're willing to talk out the differences and conflicts, they're willing to take risks of gettng hurt. Why Shenny doesn't have all those dramas? Well, they're not in love. The same reason why you don't go into fights with a plastic bag. You just plain don't care. 

Sheldon gets hurt because he cares. 

Love, that's like the "1" before all those "0"s. You know what's wrong with Shenny? It has all these fancy "0"s but sadly, no "1".

 

Edited January 13, 2016 by camelliayao

[vonmar]

13 minutes ago, jenafan said:

Thank you so much, jlove, for such a detailed report.   Spreading love for you all around.

 

Now about the spoilers, I'm going to reserve final judgment until I see the final episode, but I am shuddering a bit here:

1.  I guess Amy got Meemaw's cookie recipe from Mary, since it seems Mary is her fan and not Meemaw.

2.  I have to wash the egg off my face.   I honestly thought Meemaw would love Amy, and that she was only upset about the break up.   However, there seems to be more causing her demeanor towards her.   Also, I misunderstood the info from the chatroom last night that said Meemaw let the ring slip unintentionally.   Definitely sounds deliberate here.  So, I have to take back some of my earlier post.

3.  Meemaw chastised Amy for not knowing why Sheldon calls her moon pie, but why is this Amy's fault if Sheldon has chosen not to reveal it to her?   If Penny knows more than Amy, it is because Sheldon has revealed more to Penny.    Sheldon has been outted by his own grandmother for being neglectful in letting Amy into his life.   Penny has always gotten dibs on Amy regarding Sheldon's intentions, including wanting coitus with her.

4.  It seems Meemaw is old-fashioned, thinking that because Sheldon is so accomplished that Amy should give up her career and to support and take care of him because that is what he needs.   I guess Meemaw is not a feminist.  (Is this a foreshadow of things to come, arguments between Shamy on career vs. family?   Sheldon thinks neurobiology is stupid anyway.  Oh no!)

5.  Sheldon will give Amy his genitals but says she will never sit in his spot.   Sounds like S4/S5 Sheldon all over again.   Cringing here.

6.  Amy is with Sheldon because she thinks she is his best shot.   Does she think she is some kind of prize?   What?

7.  Amy insults the ring by calling it a hand-me-down.   I thought she'd be more appreciative.

8.  Is Sheldon defending Amy because he wants to or because Penny put him up to it from the other room?

 

I'm just concerned that some of these things are a foreshadowing of drama to come, but at the same time it makes me wonder if Meemaw is pulling a Mary and testing the waters just to make sure that Sheldon and Amy both know and are sure about where they are headed by playing indifference with "I guess so" in her blessing at the end.

I'm looking forward to how all this plays out on screen.

My take on a couple of your points...

#1.  Amy got the cookie recipes before the break-up.  Meemaw had no reason to dislike Amy at that point.  I got the feeling that she may have been happy to share with the woman that made her moonpie so happy,   If she felt that way then, those feeling may have changed when Amy broke Sheldon's heart.

#5.  I took this as Sheldon trying to maintain control, a sense of normalcy if you will, in what must have been for him a very emotionally charged situation...the two most important women in his life, meeting for the first time.  It took me back to the prom episode....just because I love you doesn't mean that girls are allowed in my room.