Ship Zone [Spoilers] Shamy: Season 9

[Einstein Von Brainstorm]

9 minutes ago, jenafan said:

3.   Thanks for the feedback.   That does put a better setting on the whole thing.

7.  No, I am not bothered that she knows about the ring.   I'm bothered that she insulted the ring itself by calling it a hand-me down as if she could find one at the bottom of a goodwill bag.  Perhaps it rubbed me wrong because I know the history about his great great grandmother losing her finger wearing it.  It's not just a hand-me down.   It's a piece of Cooper heritage.   She may not know the history, but she could show some respect for a family heirloom.

Meemaw is Mary's mother is she not? Mary said it was her Great Grandmother's ring not Georges?

[jlove]

30 minutes ago, brilliantfool said:

@jlove ty so much for such a detailed TR!!

Can you share , what was your feeling regarding Sheldon telling Amy 'and you never will!' regarding his spot? was it just old school Sheldon for laughs? 

I suppose it was, but it kinda hurt to read that :/ 

What was Amy's reaction, she didn't get hurt by that?

I suppose it's all ok since all of you guys who went say Shamy are fine & happy, but this line just doesn't let me feel totally blissed in my shamy heaven 

Yeah, I hated that.  I just added it to my list of likes/dislikes because I forgot it the first time.  

[kerrycec03]

3.   Thanks for the feedback.   That does put a better setting on the whole thing.

7.  No, I am not bothered that she knows about the ring.   I'm bothered that she insulted the ring itself by calling it a hand-me down as if she could find one at the bottom of a goodwill bag.  Perhaps it rubbed me wrong because I know the history about his great great grandmother losing her finger wearing it.  It's not just a hand-me down.   It's a piece of Cooper heritage.   She may not know the history, but she could show some respect for a family heirloom.

Meemaw is Mary's mother is she not? Mary said it was her Great Grandmother's ring not Georges?

Yes Mary is her daughter

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[jlove]

17 minutes ago, jenafan said:

3.   Thanks for the feedback.   That does put a better setting on the whole thing.

7.  No, I am not bothered that she knows about the ring.   I'm bothered that she insulted the ring itself by calling it a hand-me down as if she could find one at the bottom of a goodwill bag.  Perhaps it rubbed me wrong because I know the history about his great great grandmother losing her finger wearing it.  It's not just a hand-me down.   It's a piece of Cooper heritage.   She may not know the history, but she could show some respect for a family heirloom.

About the ring...I wouldn't worry too much about that...that was really just her knee jerk reaction to Meemaw telling Sheldon to tell Amy "that ring will never be on her finger."  Remember she not only found out about the ring 30 seconds earlier, she found out Sheldon was planning to ask her to marry him - she was amazed and overwhelmed.  I think it was like "Oh well, old woman, if we want to get married we don't need your permission OR your ring!"  I think she was just acting on adrenaline and shock.  Later, after Sheldon defends her when they are sitting on the couch she specifically asks if he wanted to give her "that ring" if they would have her blessing.  So I think she DOES respect the ring and appreciate it is an heirloom and I think she wants it...I think she was just being emotional earlier and making the point that marriage and that ring are not synonymous (rightly so).

Edited January 13, 2016 by jlove

[MAH_B]

Since the Meemaw stuff was pretaped, do we think there's any chance they're screwing with us a little? Like maybe there's a sweeter Amy/Meemaw reconciliation that they didn't show (a la the kiss in bed in Opening Night)? I'm really bothered by the unenthusiastic ending to their spat and I'm really hoping there's more they didn't want us to see/know about!

[jlove]

20 minutes ago, jenafan said:

3.   Thanks for the feedback.   That does put a better setting on the whole thing.

7.  No, I am not bothered that she knows about the ring.   I'm bothered that she insulted the ring itself by calling it a hand-me down as if she could find one at the bottom of a goodwill bag.  Perhaps it rubbed me wrong because I know the history about his great great grandmother losing her finger wearing it.  It's not just a hand-me down.   It's a piece of Cooper heritage.   She may not know the history, but she could show some respect for a family heirloom.

So unfortunately there is an uglier part to the Moonpie part that I didn't mention because I was trying to not put in EVERY detail.  After Amy asks and Meemaw gives her kind of insulting reply Amy says "Oh yeah, ok, now that you mention it is does kind of ring a bell..." trying to cover a bit about not knowing.  But then often-honest-to-a-fault-clueless-eidetic-memory Sheldon says "How could it sound familiar?  I never told you that" (ok, true, but shut up!) but then he adds "And you never cared enough to ask."  Ouch.  And WTF?  To his credit Sheldon has not yet clued into the fact that Meemaw is going after Amy at this point and of course later he defends her, but that statement sucked too.  So, yeah.

[jenafan]

12 minutes ago, vonmar said:

My take on a couple of your points...

#1.  Amy got the cookie recipes before the break-up.  Meemaw had no reason to dislike Amy at that point.  I got the feeling that she may have been happy to share with the woman that made her moonpie so happy,   If she felt that way then, those feeling may have changed when Amy broke Sheldon's heart.

#5.  I took this as Sheldon trying to maintain control, a sense of normalcy if you will, in what must have been for him a very emotionally charged situation...the two most important women in his life, meeting for the first time.  It took me back to the prom episode....just because I love you doesn't mean that girls are allowed in my room.

I always seem to be out of likes.   I get one or two and then, boom, I'm empty.

1.  That is what I thought at first and even mentioned in an earlier post today, but something about the TR changed my mind.   I would have thought that if Meemaw liked Amy at one time, she would have been a little bit softer about her approach and not demanded that Sheldon not dare consider proposing to her.  However, given how Meemaw stuck with Pop Pop for all their years and this woman bails and hurts her moon pie, I guess I can understand the bitterness from the situation and not necessarily Amy before the break up.

5.  You make a very good point, and I agree.   I love your reference to the Prom episode.    Thank you.

[2L344]

1 hour ago, jlove said:

 

That scene is after he is already better.  The episode starts with him healthy (like the still released of him standing in this robe), the sickness occurs in flashbacks.

yeah i caught that after watching it again, my bad! still, i enjoyed it nonetheless. i also like how Amy tried to preface her response by saying "in a gentle but loving way" lol...clearly she understands that at times in the past she has come off as sarcastic and unabashedly irritated with Sheldon when he gets this way. maybe theyve had conversations off camera regarding better communication skills for them both. either way, i liked hearing it even if it was played for laughs, and i give amy two thumbs up for saying it!

[jenafan]

20 minutes ago, Einstein Von Brainstorm said:

Meemaw is Mary's mother is she not? Mary said it was her Great Grandmother's ring not Georges?

Oh, you are absolutely correct.    Thank you for catching that, but as I don't know Mary's maiden name, I don't know how else to address it except to take the family name out, which I will do.

[jlove]

8 minutes ago, MAH_B said:

Since the Meemaw stuff was pretaped, do we think there's any chance they're screwing with us a little? Like maybe there's a sweeter Amy/Meemaw reconciliation that they didn't show (a la the kiss in bed in Opening Night)? I'm really bothered by the unenthusiastic ending to their spat and I'm really hoping there's more they didn't want us to see/know about!

No, not all the Meemaw stuff was pre-taped, I think there were 2 that were,  and the last scene with Sheldon coming to defend her was live.  

[jenafan]

17 minutes ago, jlove said:

About the ring...I wouldn't worry too much about that...that was really just her knee jerk reaction to Meemaw telling Sheldon to tell Amy "that ring will never be on her finger."  Remember she not only found out about the ring 30 seconds earlier, she found out Sheldon was planning to ask her to marry him - she was amazed and overwhelmed.  I think it was like "Oh well, old woman, if we want to get married we don't need your permission OR your ring!"  I think she was just acting on adrenaline and shock.  Later, after Sheldon defends her when they are sitting on the couch she specifically asks if he wanted to give her "that ring" if they would have her blessing.  So I think she DOES respect the ring and appreciate it is an heirloom and I think she wants it...I think she was just being emotional earlier and making the point that marriage and that ring are not synonymous (rightly so).

You are absolutely right.   I suppose I overreacted.  

Yes, I can say that about myself.

[Einstein Von Brainstorm]

I kinda hate that Amy knows about the ring before Sheldon had a chance to pop the question  

It feels like an anti-climax BUT I'm gonna stay upbeat and try to imagine how the writers could possibly manage to write a romantic proposal when Amy already knows? 

Amy saying that she is Sheldon's best shot - that was really, really sad for me! That she can think he is only with her cus nobody else would have him, I just want to hug her wee face!

Sounds like it will be a funny and sweet episode, hopefully it will play out well  

Thanks again to the Shamy-Crew who went and reported back! 

[Ranger Rosa]

14 minutes ago, jlove said:

So unfortunately there is an uglier part to the Moonpie part that I didn't mention because I was trying to not put in EVERY detail.  After Amy asks and Meemaw gives her kind of insulting reply Amy says "Oh yeah, ok, now that you mention it is does kind of ring a bell..." trying to cover a bit about not knowing.  But then often-honest-to-a-fault-clueless-eidetic-memory Sheldon says "How could it sound familiar?  I never told you that" (ok, true, but shut up!) but then he adds "And you never cared enough to ask."  Ouch.  And WTF?  To his credit Sheldon has not yet clued into the fact that Meemaw is going after Amy at this point and of course later he defends her, but that statement sucked too.  So, yeah.

I'm very confused. So Amy knew about the ring? If so, how?

[kerrycec03]

Since the Meemaw stuff was pretaped, do we think there's any chance they're screwing with us a little? Like maybe there's a sweeter Amy/Meemaw reconciliation that they didn't show (a la the kiss in bed in Opening Night)? I'm really bothered by the unenthusiastic ending to their spat and I'm really hoping there's more they didn't want us to see/know about!

No but the couch scene was adorable and we get everything in that scene.

1. sheldon defending Amy

2. meemaws acceptance

3. Amy wants that ring

4. Sheldon basically said cool it its coming

5. They are so an old married couple with the "oh now you're going to get all emotional.

6. He is proudly announcing the vcard is gone

So it was really perfectly done and the looks he gives Meemaw and Amy are adorable

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[April]

Reading through all the additional information... oh boy that sounds like such an emotionally charged high tension episode! At the same time I find myself cheering for all the ways Amy and Sheldon are sticking up for each other against the force of nature that Meemaw seems to be. My eyes may be a bit misty with tears of joy! I can't wait for the AVclub guy to wax poetically a bit more about how Sheldon and Amy are these two outcast finding solace in each other and fight for each other against the rest of the world... or something like that. He'll love that! lol

Also, I think I can easily forgive that some of the lines are not ideally worded because 1) it seems justified by the situation and 2) nobody is perfect.

Edited January 13, 2016 by April

[jenafan]

I just saw the sneek peeks for tomorrows ep.   Sheldon looks so damn adorable laying on his stomach in that bed.   He isn't sick anymore.   I am not mad at Amy.   If anything I applaud her ability to reason with him while at the same time outing herself for avoiding him.    Can't wait for tomorrow's ep just to see the Skype sessions.

[AllyAnne]

Okay, after reading through all of the comments I feel as if I've just been on an emotional roller coaster.  Initially, not to be a downer, but I felt a little sad about the whole thing.  I like a feisty MeeMaw but she came across as way too harsh and snarky.  Then after reading so many of your wonderful insights and viewpoints, I started feeling better.  But the idea that Sheldon only came around to taking Amy's side because Penny and Leonard pushed him to....And Amy will NEVER sit in his spot.....and she's the ONLY one who will put up with Sheldon....And she never cared enough to ask about Moonpie....just UGH.  I feel bipolar.  I know, I know, I should just wait to see how it actually plays out.  

[jenafan]

Just to add, I also like that she is virtually being allowed in his bedroom.   Very intimate.     Loving all of this.

[vonmar]

6 minutes ago, April said:

Reading through all the additional information... oh boy that sounds like such an emotionally charged high tension episode! At the same time I find myself cheering for all the ways Amy and Sheldon are sticking up for each other against the force of nature that Meemaw seems to be. My eyes may be a bit misty with tears of joy! I can't wait for the AVclub guy to wax poetically a bit more about how Sheldon and Amy are these two outcast finding solace in each other and fight for each other against the rest of the world... or something like that. He'll love that! lol

Also, I think I can easily forgive that some of the lines are not ideally worded because 1) it seems justified by the situation and 2) nobody is perfect.

I keep having this nagging feeling that Meemaw was testing Amy, maybe testing both of them?

This girl broke my Moonpie's heart and now they're back together...I'm gonna make damn sure that she won't ever do that again.

They are back together and he says he loves her....show me how much you love her Shelly.

[AllyAnne]

1 minute ago, vonmar said:

I keep having this nagging feeling that Meemaw was testing Amy, maybe testing both of them?

This girl broke my Moonpie's heart and now they're back together...I'm gonna make damn sure that she won't ever do that again.

They are back together and he says he loves her....show me how much you love her Shelly.

THIS I LOVE!!!!!!

[camelliayao]

59 minutes ago, jlove said:

THINGS I DIDNT LOVE:

That it was Meemaw who said these things.  Amy has had to fight for any scrap of acceptance from everyone her WHOLE life.  Sheldon immediately liked her for who she is, but as soon as he started having feelings for her she started having to fight for affection from him as well (we've all read/posted long diatribes about how even their early camaraderie felt damaged by his withdrawl as their relationship progressed).  She never had ANY friends and even had to worm her way in with the Penny and Bernadette before she became accepted. (Remember The Hook-Up Reverberation?  "What if you just hang around and pretend to be her friend until you wear her down?  I mean the next thing you know you're in her home eating her food, drinking her wine...")  I would have loved for there to be ONE person, ONE place where she was immediately loved and welcomed with open arms without having to earn/justify/prove herself worthy.  Meemaw could have been the perfect opportunity for that...now I'm not sure there is anywhere for it to be found on the show, and that makes me a little sad for Amy.

Amy's statement to Meemaw that she "is his best shot."  As if that's all that matters - like Sheldon was looking for a woman and he is so difficult and so out there that he should just take her because she's his best shot.  What the literal hell?  The right answer has something to do with the fact that they LOVE each other and they GET each other like no one else every could they WANT to be together.  Not because he can't get someone better or because he's getting old and just needs to have someone so he's gotta take what he can get or whatver.  I really, really hated the wording here.

Amy complaining about how much "she puts up with" with Sheldon.  Sweetie, this was the moment to confess your love for Sheldon, to tell Meemaw why you two are so good together, to show her that you're the best thing in the world for her beloved Moonpie, not for you to gripe about how difficult he is.

That Amy didn't say anything after Meemaw said that she really hurt him with the breakup "and I don't want that to happen again."  It would have been awesome to hear "It won't" or "I don't want that either" or "We both made mistakes in the past but we've gotten beyond that and the important thing now is the future" or "I'm sorry, it hurts me to know I hurt him, too" or anything, really.  How great would a little speech about how she loves him and wants to spend the rest of her life proving it to him and to Meemaw and everyone else in the world (since the ring had already come up they were already down the rabbit hole, she totally could have said something like that.)  I would have just loved for her to say something that showed Meemaw that this really was the real thing, that Amy really wasn't out to hurt him and be able to giver her REAL blessing going forward.

 

So yeah, LOTS of good.  My one gripe really is that, though Meemaw was acting kind of like a b*tch I think Amy blew a chance here...though she was backed into a corner and attacked repeatedly, so she wasn't in her right mind I'm quite sure.  But overall, yes, lots of good, too.  I'll be interested to see how/when/if this whole debacle is ever mentioned again...

 

The bold part, I almost cried.

Poor Amy...

[kerrycec03]

Reading through all the additional information... oh boy that sounds like such an emotionally charged high tension episode! At the same time I find myself cheering for all the ways Amy and Sheldon are sticking up for each other against the force of nature that Meemaw seems to be. My eyes may be a bit misty with tears of joy! I can't wait for the AVclub guy to wax poetically a bit more about how Sheldon and Amy are these two outcast finding solace in each other and fight for each other against the rest of the world... or something like that. He'll love that! lol

Also, I think I can easily forgive that some of the lines are not ideally worded because 1) it seems justified by the situation and 2) nobody is perfect.

I keep having this nagging feeling that Meemaw was testing Amy, maybe testing both of them?

This girl broke my Moonpie's heart and now they're back together...I'm gonna make damn sure that she won't ever do that again.

They are back together and he says he loves her....show me how much you love her Shelly.

We all thought this. Honestly Meemaw testing her out what she put him through and ensuring these two are well suited and Amy can stand up to Sheldon was clearly stated

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[2L344]

1 hour ago, jenafan said:

Thank you so much, jlove, for such a detailed report.   Spreading love for you all around.

 

Now about the spoilers, I'm going to reserve final judgment until I see the final episode, but I am shuddering a bit here:

1.  I guess Amy got Meemaw's cookie recipe from Mary, since it seems Mary is her fan and not Meemaw.

2.  I have to wash the egg off my face.   I honestly thought Meemaw would love Amy, and that she was only upset about the break up.   However, there seems to be more causing her demeanor towards her.   Also, I misunderstood the info from the chatroom last night that said Meemaw let the ring slip unintentionally.   Definitely sounds deliberate here.  So, I have to take back some of my earlier post.

3.  Meemaw chastised Amy for not knowing why Sheldon calls her moon pie, but why is this Amy's fault if Sheldon has chosen not to reveal it to her?   If Penny knows more than Amy, it is because Sheldon has revealed more to Penny.    Sheldon has been outted by his own grandmother for being neglectful in letting Amy into his life.   Penny has always gotten dibs on Amy regarding Sheldon's intentions, including wanting coitus with her.

4.  It seems Meemaw is old-fashioned, thinking that because Sheldon is so accomplished that Amy should give up her career and to support and take care of him because that is what he needs.   I guess Meemaw is not a feminist.  (Is this a foreshadow of things to come, arguments between Shamy on career vs. family?   Sheldon thinks neurobiology is stupid anyway.  Oh no!)

5.  Sheldon will give Amy his genitals but says she will never sit in his spot.   Sounds like S4/S5 Sheldon all over again.   Cringing here.

6.  Amy is with Sheldon because she thinks she is his best shot.   Does she think she is some kind of prize?   What?

7.  Amy insults the ring by calling it a hand-me-down.   I thought she'd be more appreciative.

8.  Is Sheldon defending Amy because he wants to or because Penny put him up to it from the other room?

 

I'm just concerned that some of these things are a foreshadowing of drama to come, but at the same time it makes me wonder if Meemaw is pulling a Mary and testing the waters just to make sure that Sheldon and Amy both know and are sure about where they are headed by playing indifference with "I guess so" in her blessing at the end.

 

Now for the cute moments:

1.  Sheldon loves the way Amy dresses.  

2.  Sheldon being all affectionate with Amy while defending her.

3.  Sheldon admitting to his "sin" in front of his Meemaw.   He's not ashamed at all.

4.  Meemaw confirming that happiness and longevity can be achieved being married to a difficult man and she doesn't want to see Sheldon hurt by someone who perhaps doesn't get that.

5.  Sheldon and his trains again.   It's good to know that his being mugged during his 45-day trek didn't ruin it for him.

The writers are causing Meemaw to be Sheldon's voice over the break up.    Through her, Amy really gets to understand just how badly she hurt Sheldon.  He is so smitten with Amy right now, he doesn't want to broach the subject himself.  He is absolutely convinced that he wouldn't know what he does now if the break up didn't happen.  That shows growth on his part, even if he wants to turn the tables toward her to take the spotlight off himself.   The key is that Amy gets it by smiling back and translating for him.

Obviously, Shamy still have some work to do on their relationship, but it seems they are getting there.

 

I'm looking forward to how all this plays out on screen.

I assumed Amy got the recipe from Meemaw because at that time in the Christmas episode things were going fine and Meemaw wouldn't object to giving Sheldon's gf the recipe- anything for her Moonpie! As for Meemaw disliking Amy before the breakup, I'm still holding onto the idea that Meemaw's dislike was the result of Amy's initiation of the breakup and nothing more. Meemaw knew Sheldon was in love and was going to propose and there was no objection from Mary or Meemaw back then. Once Sheldon was dumped he no doubt shared with them both HIS side of the breakup-- his confusion as to why, his belief that her affections changed, etc etc. That version would no doubt piss Meemaw off. We don't see Meemaw during the six month breakup because there was no need. But a reconciliation with Amy? Oh you betcha!

As for Meemaw's stance on Amy's occupation I'm kinda confused. Why is it ok for Penny to work but not so much Amy? Eh, who knows. I can say this- my Dad is a Texan from a small town and they are still pretty old school there, housewives are the norm in that town and my grandmother was very much the "a ladies place is at home" kind of a woman. 

#6 and #8 though, yikes! Same thoughts went through my head when I read that. I thought we were done with them both taking each other for granted. This idea that Sheldon can't do any better than Amy is off-putting. Maybe she forgot that it was SHE that went back to Sheldon...and cmon, I really do hope that Sheldon didn't have to be nudged once again by his friends to do the right thing (like the Star Wars premier where Lenny both have to plant the seed before Proton takes over and Sheldon chooses correctly)...I'll have to see how that (and the other stuff) plays out. 

What did you think of Amy asking Penny if she knew about the ring? I think you and I both thought that this would be an issue for Amy someday, I had to laugh when I read that Amy asked Penny this and Penny scurries away...

The ring is finally out there, I did not see the Meemaw connection to it coming! So much for the Spock film, or Sheldon's ability to surprise Amy. Now that it's out there it will be interesting to see how the writers craft a proposal, assuming that it is still on the table (and I am)....

I liked the good stuff that you listed as well. I like that Sheldon stood by Amy (whether he was prodded or came to it himself) and that he compares his relationship to that of Meemaw's. I'm still not sure about that statement Sheldon makes about the "growth" that one of them was able to achieve through the breakup, I'm hoping he was referring to his growth and not suggesting Amy had to grow up ( of course they BOTH did). 

Im pretty happy how things seemed to have been left after the episode, Shamy looks pretty solid all things considered.

[MAH_B]

36 minutes ago, kerrycec03 said:

No but the couch scene was adorable and we get everything in that scene.

1. sheldon defending Amy

2. meemaws acceptance

3. Amy wants that ring

4. Sheldon basically said cool it its coming

So it was really perfectly done

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Alright alright, I'll cool it with my freak out. I've been swinging back and forth between "awwwhhhh" and "uhhhhhhh" since the wee hours. I'll just swing back over to cautiously content and chill out.

[vonmar]

Just now, MAH_B said:

Alright alright, I'll cool it with my freak out. I've been swinging back and forth between "awwwhhhh" and "uhhhhhhh" since the wee hours. I'll just swing back over to cautiously content and chill out.

I'll intone my usual Wednesday mantra...

The taping reports and tidbits from the attendees are beyond awesome.  There are not enough ways for me personally to express my gratitude to generous people who supply us with information.

But...

The finished product...edited and polished up can often come across very differently.  Facial expressions, vocal intonation, body language, close-ups, reaction shots, etc. 

I can't wait to see this episode.