Ship Zone [Spoilers] Shamy: Season 9

[rachelshamyfan]

Nobody needs to apologise at this time, IF there was a time it would of been when they got back together

They have moved too far past that stage, let's just move on and enjoy their relationship now

[April]

4 hours ago, Lionne said:

So, originally, April, I was with you with, "Why the frack is it so hard to see Amy's side in this even if we're not getting a lot of detail about her storyline with actual scenes?" Up through coitus, and so the first half of the season, I took that position and stay with it for that part of the story.

Why, thank you for that (for a second I feared you'd write something like "... but now I think your opinions I previously agreed with are rubbish!" lol). Honestly, the thing that's mostly frustrating me in these discussions is that it's always circling back to the first half of the season with endless wails of "But I just don't understand Amy!!" and "It's such a mystery why she did what she did!!!" and I'm just sitting here like: We've been over this a gazillion times can we please stop this downwards spiral of madness!?? lol

Anyway...

If we wanna talk about how the writers don't use Amy to her full potential in the recent two episodes, then let's just do that, and our positions aren't actually that far apart:

4 hours ago, Lionne said:

However, these last two episodes that are highlighting the break up again swing me a little closer, though not entirely there, to wow's side. And of course, I always appreciate her wit and humor even if I don't entirely agree with her. But I feel that in these past two episodes we have built it up so that Sheldon's feelings about, justification and insights into the breakup are put entirely front and center even if the original questions are asked to Amy directly that it really does flop maddeningly into centering all things around Sheldon when there was an opportunity - that a lot of fans were holding their breath waiting for - for Amy to get a turn to speak and show more of her side of it. The set up really put Amy in the spotlight to defend or explain herself, but Sheldon was the one with the answers who settled the issue. For those fans - and there are a lot of them - who would like a little more insight, information, or expression of Amy's PoV, getting two more episodes on this break up that end up with Sheldon speaking his PoV to settle the matter while Amy either dithers uncomfortably with phone buttons or fends off MeegorMawgon tantalizes but then frustrates. You have an opportunity to let Amy speak or show us some insights into her, as she's got the side of the story we know less about, and instead we get Sheldon summing up the PoV that we already KNOW, for goodness sake.

So, actually, these last two episodes make me a little more sympathetic to the side which isn't as sure as I, or April and some others, might be about Amy's PoV in the break up because the opportunity to give them the information or apology they want gets set up on a silver platter to happen, but only gets polished off by Sheldon, the side we're already clued in on.

That's a bit irksome.

As I said in the other thread I can see why the writers felt the need to have Sheldon stand by his woman and declare that it's alright. When you capitalise on Jim Parsons looking like a sad puppy for quite a bit during the breakup story the writers may have felt that they had to make clear that there aren't any resentments from the character's point of view. I don't know if the writers actually got any feedback like that but I've seen that kind of reaction quite a bit online and when I read the TRs I was relieved to see another item of my "things that drove me mad during the breakup discussions" list was ticked off. lol

Anyway, that doesn't mean that I don't think this could've been handled a lot better. For instance, since Meemaw's concerns were about the breakup they could've easily put Sheldon's declaration that the experience made them stronger as a couple into that episode. This then would open up the opportunity to handle the V-Day stuff a bit differently. Instead of coddling Raj and eliciting sympathy over the simple fact that they were broken up not too long ago, Sheldon and Amy could actually talk about those breakup experiences - especially Amy since she was the one who initiated the breakup for understandable reasons which could've drawn a nice contrast to Raj who messed things up for all the wrong reasons. It could have been pointed out to Sheldon how he hurt Amy and yet she still stands by him for his other qualities. It would have also been a wonderful mirror for the previous episode that pointed out to Amy that she did hurt Sheldon and yet he still stands by her. That is indeed a huge missed opportunity right there. I can only hope the writers will come to their senses and see what a wonderful heartfelt story opportunity this is. But alas, I'm not holding my breath.

[wowbagger]

Things I would like:

a ) More career plots for Amy! If there is a ShAmy twist to these plots, I would love to see her name a discovery after her boyfriend-bonus points if it is a disease that nobody else but Sheldon ( and us) think that it is romantic.

b ) we meet Amy's family. Bonus points if we get to finally meet Amy's dad and we see a little mirroring of Sheldon's defence of Amy for Meemaw.

c ) Sheldon and Amy work together! I don't care if this is actual science, or whether they are working on some sort of terrifying arcane cross between Game of Thrones and Doctor Who, complete with made-up language (s). Anything, so long as they are working on a project together and being awesome. Bonus points if at some point they try it out on poor old Leonard, because Galecki's reaction shots to the ShAmy are things of beauty.

d ) Sheldon and Amy work out a meticulously-researched coital schedule, solemnly decide to stick to it, are utterly insufferable about how they have cracked the issue of sex in relationships-and have a really, really hard (hur) time keeping to their word. Bonus points if Penny and Bernie get to be suuuuuuuper snide to the pair. With love.

e ) Amy gets a non-couple plot! PAmyDette, people! Isn't anyone craving their PAmyDette fix? I know I am.

[brilliantfool]

On 1/25/2016 at 4:57 PM, shamour said:

Great minds think alike;-) I also wrote something concerning this topic, perhaps you like it, too:-)

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11271511/1/The-Letter
 

And kelli also wrote something with a letter if I remember correectly, she did a couple of stories after 8x24...

https://www.fanfiction.net/u/5651719/kelli-k

 

oh that's right, i've read your story, The Letter ! I remember now!
hey I just wanted to say his letter to her was one of the sweetest and most in character Sheldon's monologues i've ever come across in a fic! I thought it was super sweet

And i don't believe I've read Kelli's stories but i will now, thanks for mentioning them! I love it that are some fics out there i haven't yet read : D

On 1/25/2016 at 5:50 PM, jenafan said:

I wrote a letter, too.   Sheldon apologized to Amy.    It's is funny how we all think alike.    Thanks for including links to the other stories I have yet to read.

 

No, that is not my story, but now I am interested in reading the other author.

Mine is below, and you may have already read it.

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11512549/1/The-Discussion-Resurgence

ok i just checked it out and i think i've read it in the beginning when it was just a few chapters, cause i remember the beginning, his dialogue with Missy, IT KILLED ME! : D so hilarious!
but i totally don't remember the proposal... In fact i think when i was reading it they were still somewhat in a fight! gotta read other chapters now! 

I gotta say idk how any of you guys who write fics manage to write so much AND find the time for other things lol. I tried to write fics but if i'm trying to be in character and to make it good, it takes me sooo long to write just one chapter ! so i usually end up thinking it's not worth it and give up : (

Edited January 27, 2016 by brilliantfool

[2L344]

4 hours ago, rachelshamyfan said:

Nobody needs to apologise at this time, IF there was a time it would of been when they got back together

They have moved too far past that stage, let's just move on and enjoy their relationship now

now THIS I can agree with! 

Edited January 27, 2016 by 2L344

[Stephen Hawking]

13 hours ago, Einstein Von Brainstorm said:

That was Youtube dude!  

Sorry. I thought that was what was being referred to.

[Soopysue]

7 hours ago, rachelshamyfan said:

Nobody needs to apologise at this time, IF there was a time it would of been when they got back together

They have moved too far past that stage, let's just move on and enjoy their relationship now

I agree, let's move on, I keep saying I want the writers to move past it now - I think they will to be honest. Also no matter whether anyone is in camp apology or no apology or whatever - it's useless stressing over something you want or don't want to happen as unless you are one of the writers...... It doesn't matter  . I for one am just enjoying the ride that the writers who created are beloved Shamy are taking us on . I'm glad you're all here with me !

Im  really enjoying everything I've  seen from 9 . 10 onwards, I'm excited by this new chapter and can't wait to see the next couple of episodes .

Also!!!!!Is it not a new table read today ??onwards and upwards - can't wait !  

[mirs1]

1 hour ago, Soopysue said:

I agree, let's move on, I keep saying I want the writers to move past it now - I think they will to be honest. Also no matter whether anyone is in camp apology or no apology or whatever - it's useless stressing over something you want or don't want to happen as unless you are one of the writers...... It doesn't matter  . I for one am just enjoying the ride that the writers who created are beloved Shamy are taking us on . I'm glad you're all here with me !

Im  really enjoying everything I've  seen from 9 . 10 onwards, I'm excited by this new chapter and can't wait to see the next couple of episodes .

Also!!!!!Is it not a new table read today ??onwards and upwards - can't wait !  

I agree...you know, we've being complaining so far that the writers tend to sweep everything under the rug and move on with uncomfortable subjects after they get the relative plots to some sort of (usually unsatisfying) closure, like they did the train trip or Leonard's kiss on the boat, and the one time they keep dwelling on a particular situation after it is solved we want them to move on from it, LOL!! Maybe this is not the way we wanted them to dwell on the post break-up, I would have preferred somehow a different approach too and some other posters have presented very interesting ideas on this matter, but as usual the writers have decided to focus on Sheldon. It's their story, we can complain till the cows come, but they will always choose to tell the story from the PoV they prefer. And, from Sheldon's PoV,  they are telling us that everything is fine, that Sheldon himself doesn't need an apology (he has never been shy in asking for one, if he feels he needs\deserves one), he came to terms with the awful period of his life the break up was and he found it was necessary both for him and for the relationship. As for Amy, I like her attitude better now, she has finally a back bone and tells him what she thinks without fear. However she has flaws like everybody else and some of the things she says reflect her flaws. But it's not like Sheldon is a whole new perfect man now (thanks God, how boring would it be?), he still does\says the same stuff he said before the break up sometimes, like the comment on his VD non existent plans, or complaining about Amy to be emotional after she was moved for the fact he took her defense with his granny, or telling her that neuroscience is beneath him, to name few examples in the most recent episodes. Their relationship is improved, but not nearly perfect and their everyday problems and misunderstandings are gonna be the same as ever (again thanks God, some of those misunderstandings are what makes them unique!). But now I really hope we move on (to be clear, I hope the writers move on from this subject, I'm not not telling anyone the subjects they want\should discuss here, LOL!) and...the new script cover can't come here soon enough!!!!

Edited January 27, 2016 by mirs1

[rachelshamyfan]

[2L344]

Like Al Pacino in Godfather 3, "Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in" lol...I hope this post isn't seen as another tiresome repetition of my other posts, and if it is I apologize in advance. But as there is a poll out now, and I have been quoted a couple times in posts here and the DT thread, I just want to make sure nothing I have posted has lead to any misunderstandings on this whole "apology" topic...I'm copying this post to the DT thread as well since a lot of those folks don't weigh in on here...

First of all, I'm in no way a Sheldon apologist, I hope my posts have at least reflected that. I've done my share of cringing at the things he has said and done to not only Amy but the rest of the ensemble. I also have had plenty of belly laughs over the years at the inappropriate stuff that Sheldon has spewed, it's a guilty pleasure we can all probably relate to. But when it came to Amy, yikes- no way to treat a lady.

Do I believe Amy had every right to break up with Sheldon? Hell yeah! I'm just surprised it didn't happen way sooner. Everyone has the right to make choices for their betterment, and this includes Amy. I've never disputed her right to end it with Sheldon. I also recognize that she wanted a separation, not a break up, at first and it was Sheldon's behavior that broke the straw....

My biggest problem was the way this arc played out at the end. Had Amy stuck to her guns and it was Sheldon that initiated the reconciliation, not Amy, then I probably wouldn't even be entertaining this topic. But it was Amy that tried to start it back up unconditionally and THAT is the root of my issue regarding an apology for the break up itself. 

If Amy was my daughter, and she told me she was considering asking Sheldon to be her BF again, I'd have to shake some sense into her somehow. Why would you want to return to a guy who treated you poorly and provoked you into breaking up with him? And without any assurances or indications that he has changed? At this point in 9.09 Amy has no idea that Sheldon hit rock bottom, nor has Sheldon demonstrated change (one aquarium outing doesn't cut it). Sheldon has yet to even have his epiphany. Loving and missing Sheldon is all fine, but returning to status quo-- well isn't that just inviting another break up if Sheldon didn't change, or did Amy just overreact and that Sheldon's behavior isn't as bad as she thought and,therefore, she should just accept it and plod through because the things she missed make it worthwhile?

But that is the path the writers chose, so in keeping with that plot at 9.09 I had a problem with Amy telling Sheldon she was ready to be his gf again. "Ready"? If this had been a mutually agreed upon trial separation ( and maybe Amy still saw it that way), then that would've worked for me. But it wasn't! Amy ended it, and let it stay ended for 6 months. Sheldon was an ass during it at times, but at least in his own inappropriate and clueless way he was trying to reach out. Yes Amy took his calls, but that's not the same thing as reaching out to try to undo things. Not that I'm saying she needed to.

So if Amy is going to try to pick up where she left off without expecting, discussing, or even asking for change, then I believe a little humility is in order when trying to reconcile (not grovelling, just a little humility for being the terminator of the relationship). Yes, I think at that point given those facts and that situation, Amy should've said she was sorry. Sorry for maybe failing to communicate better before acting out, sorry for allowing things to go on as long they did. Again, WHY should she say she is sorry to someone who acted the way he did? Because it is SHE who wants to resume a relationship that SHE terminated at that point in time with no strings attached. Again, I'm talking about the point in time of 9.09, not now. She wants him back as he was, therefore it's hard to continue to call Sheldon out for being a tool. Even though he was one.

At this point in time (with reconciliation and now sex having been completed, and Sheldon has had his epiphany and seems to be working on things thanks to Amy's help) do I desire exchanges of apologies by either of them? Nah, to me it's pointless. Amy got her guy back without having to apologize for anything, and the same with Sheldon. Hey, if they're happy then who am I to complain? Do I think they both share blame in the break up? yup. Do I think Sheldon owes Amy an apology about how he has treated her all this time? You bet I do, especially now that he's had his lesson in empathy lol. Just because things are going well doesn't mean I've forgotten how we got there, and I don't absolve either one for the mistakes they made. 

I also don't, however, desire that the writers revisit the break up angst and shove them both on a stage delivering these apologies to the audience either. That ship sailed for me. I wouldn't mind seeing the mutual regret about hurting each other during this, might make for a Kleenex moment for some, but I'm good with it being implied. As long as I'm made to understand that they both played a part in this break up and both accept their share of the blame for it I'll be a happy camper. Hell, with reconciliation here, I AM a happy camper! Very happy! Doesn't mean I don't have my issues with 9.09 though.....

I didn't vote in the poll since I could only vote for one answer, and I think the issue is a little more complicated than what can be seen in a poll (clearly, lol). I DO appreciate the posts that I've read, whether I agree or not on some points made. I've participated in the Discussion thread and also here in Shamyland on this topic, so forgive me if I get mixed up with what was said in both. I find the posts by Lionne, Wowbagger (you crack me up!), Tensor, Jenafan, Bluebird, Touché and a few others, to be articulate, easy to read and understand, insightful, and entertaining. Sometimes the posts can get a bit passionate and I get it. 

For me, I think I've reached maximum density on the topic lol. At this point I'll take a line from Monty Python and "Say no more" (as the forum breathes a sigh of relief).

 

Edited January 27, 2016 by 2L344

[mphs95]

I see a "reaction" in the title. Could this be Amy's reaction to finding out Penny's knowledge about the ring?

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[kerrycec03]

I bet its reaction too BUT its a double play on it.  Maybe its the reaction to Bernadette's pregnancy which causes both other couples to reevaluate their situations (positive for our Shamy of course).

And then reaction could also play out in the form of science plot a little bit too.

[smellypooper73]

Howard's reaction to Bernadette's pregnancy?

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[Stephen Hawking]

8 hours ago, wowbagger said:

d ) Sheldon and Amy work out a meticulously-researched coital schedule, solemnly decide to stick to it, are utterly insufferable about how they have cracked the issue of sex in relationships-and have a really, really hard (hur) time keeping to their word.

Preferably, with someone walking in on them, mid-coitus.  

1 hour ago, rachelshamyfan said:

That looks like "The --------------- Question".

Dare we think it might be, either "The Co-habitation Question", or "The Matrimonial Question" ?

BTW: Does Mary know, yet, that Sheldon and Amy have "sinned"?

[nothereanymore]

40 minutes ago, mphs95 said:

I see a "reaction" in the title. Could this be Amy's reaction to finding out Penny's knowledge about the ring?

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I see 'Reaction,' too. Or at least what looks like a nine-letter word with a _ _ _ction. The Conception Reaction? The middle word looks like it takes up more space than 'reaction.'

 

ETA: I've spent about the last week reading through this entire board, and that was a wild, educational ride. So, thanks.

Edited January 27, 2016 by CuriousMeans
I like these dorks a lot and love picking apart characterization, and why didn't I find this forum ages ago?

[Radar]

3 minutes ago, CuriousMeans said:

I see 'Reaction,' too. Or at least what looks like a nine-letter word with a _ _ _ction. The Conception Reaction? The middle word looks like it takes up more space than 'reaction.'

Sounds good! As much as we love Shamy Bernie's pregnancy was the big news last week, so agree that this episode will deal with Howard's (and everyone else's) reaction to the news. 

[April]

10 minutes ago, CuriousMeans said:

I see 'Reaction,' too. Or at least what looks like a nine-letter word with a _ _ _ction. The Conception Reaction? The middle word looks like it takes up more space than 'reaction.'

It's definitely "The ... Reaction" with a lot of space in between - either one really long word or two words. The first letter after "The" looks like it should be a letter starting with a vertical stroke like F, H, I, K, M, N, P, or R. Happy guessing!

Edited January 27, 2016 by April

[jlove]

I posted on the main thread but since the pic is here I might as well post here too, because I'd rather guess with you folks anyway.  I agree it's probably related to Bernie's pregnancy, and maybe it will lead to the other couples to evaluate their futures.  How funny would it be if they each had fast-forward daydreams about what it would be like to have kids of their own?

Anyway, I'm going with The Procreation Reaction.

[April]

39 minutes ago, jlove said:

I posted on the main thread but since the pic is here I might as well post here too, because I'd rather guess with you folks anyway.  I agree it's probably related to Bernie's pregnancy, and maybe it will lead to the other couples to evaluate their futures.  How funny would it be if they each had fast-forward daydreams about what it would be like to have kids of their own?

Anyway, I'm going with The Procreation Reaction.

That seems to be a bit short - there's room for another word! lol

The Family Expansion Reaction??

Edited January 27, 2016 by April

[S.L Farrell]

Gawd.....is anyone else getting all giddy and crazy excited just by seeing a script cover....lol....

[Ranger Rosa]

39 minutes ago, S.L Farrell said:

Gawd.....is anyone else getting all giddy and crazy excited just by seeing a script cover....lol....

Like we Always do every wednesday! I missed this.

[xjax]

2 hours ago, jlove said:

How funny would it be if they each had fast-forward daydreams about what it would be like to have kids of their own?

That´s maybe what they are planning for 200th.... we had an episode about the past and this might be about the future..... OR.. bernie can say the news  to the girls only..you know to wait more time.. and something happen and the guys get all crazy bc they think it´s their woman that are pregnant.. even Sheldon ( so we will know they did not wait a year to do it again)...

[Amy Fowler]

I'm getting a feeling the 200th won't have anything to do with Shamy  especially if that title is related to Bernie's pregnancy announcement

1 hour ago, xjax said:

That´s maybe what they are planning for 200th.... we had an episode about the past and this might be about the future..... 

 That would be sick.

SHAMY BABIES SNIPPET

(I need to stop playing with the font sizes)

[910]

2 hours ago, xjax said:

That´s maybe what they are planning for 200th.... we had an episode about the past and this might be about the future..... OR.. bernie can say the news  to the girls only..you know to wait more time.. and something happen and the guys get all crazy bc they think it´s their woman that are pregnant.. even Sheldon ( so we will know they did not wait a year to do it again)...

As cliche' as it is, after 8.24 where everyone was breaking up, and 9.12 where everyone was missing someone, I fully expected an episode where every couple was questioning who was pregnant.  Thus, I was shocked Bernadette announcing hers without the involvement of any of the other couples, so I do agree that some sort of reaction to this development will impact all couples.  

[nothereanymore]

23 minutes ago, Touche said:

As cliche' as it is, after 8.24 where everyone was breaking up, and 9.12 where everyone was missing someone, I fully expected an episode where every couple was questioning who was pregnant.  Thus, I was shocked Bernadette announcing hers without the involvement of any of the other couples, so I do agree that some sort of reaction to this development will impact all couples.  

Yeah, I expected an episode similar to Parks and Rec 5x22. Even though Bernadette is the most likely choice, I thought they'd go the 'who is it' route for laughs and a nice group dynamic episode.