Ship Zone [Spoilers] Shamy: Season 9

[Einstein Von Brainstorm]

I somehow started an argument about the human gestation and then went to bed last night - I apologise! 

A baby is considered 'full term' at 40 weeks. 7 days x 40 = 280 /by average no of days in a month = 9.3 months which is closer to 10 months than 9

A baby born between 36 - 40 weeks is considered 'normal' so some women are pregnant for closer to 8 months, some are pregnant for closer to 10. In the UK they won't let you go past 42 weeks pregnant without induction. Which is why people say 9 months pregnant as that is the average expected pregnancy length.

Where we live the midwife takes the first day of your last period and counts 40 weeks from that date as your 'due date' even if the ultrasound later tells you different your pregnancy file keeps the original calculated estimated due date (EDD) so you are considered to be 1 month pregnant as soon as you miss a period.

Where my Mother and Sisters live they don't give you an EDD until you have had a dating scan. 

Scans (where we live) are done at 12 and 20 weeks gestation, no 9 week scan or dating scan. You only get additional scans if there is an issue they need to keep an eye on. Our maternity hospital have also stopped estimating the sex of the child so private ultrasound businesses are booming here.

As our NHS uses the midwife count and not the ultrasound date, all 3 of our kids were considered to be premature despite all being just under/over 9lbs in weight and 52cm (around 20 inches) long.

 

TL;DR different countries/medical practitioners do things differently.
Average pregnancy falls somewhere between 8 and 10 months.
Congratulations everyone is right!  

[wowbagger]

What I would like, I think, is for Bernie to try to tell the girls during a girls' night out, before she tells Howard even because she is trying to get her head around it, and for Sheldon to crash the party because of some petty grievance he wants the girls' help on. So then it turns into a Sheldon Cooper and his Council of Ladies War Room Session. Bonus points if

a ) Bernie swears Sheldon to secrecy (because we all know how well that will go) and it is that that somehow precipitates a nice whiteboard session among the guys where they hypothesise about what might have happened and what it could mean

b ) while the girls are in parallel wondering about the consequences

c ) bonus BONUS points if Sheldon and Amy both calmly discuss the early development literature they have read and the experiments they would run on the child.

[notchinc]

8 hours ago, CuriousMeans said:

A clip of the promo was on Tumblr. 

 

Unrelated: how much will Amy flip out if this Little House on the Prairie move actually happens?

I totally thought the same.  I want Amy running around telling Sheldon excitingly and counting down the days till it opens.  

[boys3allc]

On January 26, 2016 at 7:33 PM, boys3allc said:

8 hours ago, EvilStewie said:

I saw it!!  "Ain't she sweet"?  LOL!

 

8 hours ago, camelliayao said:

Check tumblr, cutelittlelumpofwool82 posted it there.

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And I taped it off my TV for her to post! So I am pretty nice too...lol...

[mirs1]

12 hours ago, Carm6773 said:

I don't know about the rest of y'all  (yes, y'all is a word....), but I want to know how the guys found out about the coitus.  Did Sheldon tell them (doubtful), or did the girls tell the guys?  I also would have LOVED to have seen the guys' reactions.    

It would have been so hilarious...but I guess that ship sailed long ago, now too much time has passed and so many other things have happened, I don't think we will ever have an on-screen answer to that question. But, I was wondering, maybe it has also something to do with Bernie's pregnancy and the announcement of it. Assuming that our hypothesis that the title "The.....Reaction" for the next episode refers to the gang's reaction to the new baby, then having an episode (or even few scenes) about the gang\boys "reacting" to the announcement of Shamy coitus would have meant to have too similar close plots...Of course, another important reason was that when they taped the first two episodes after 9.11 TPTB were not sure yet that the audience was ok with the new developments (they were taped before 9.11 aired) so they preferred not making coitus a central part of the relevant plots, and after that, it would have been odd to come back again to that topic. 

Edited January 29, 2016 by mirs1

[April]

5 minutes ago, mirs1 said:

It would have been so hilarious...but I guess that ship sailed long ago, now too much time has passed and so many other things have happened, I don't think we will never have an on-screen answer to that question. But, I was wondering, maybe it has also something to do with Bernie's pregnancy and the announcement of it. Assuming that our hypothesis that the title "The.....Reaction" for the next episode refers to the gang's reaction to the new baby, then having an episode (or even few scenes) about the gang\boys "reacting" to the announcement of Shamy coitus would have meant to have too similar closed plots...Of course, another important reason was that when they taped the first two episodes after 9.11 TPTB were not sure yet that the audience was ok with the new developments (they were taped before 9.11 aired) so they preferred not making coitus a central part of the relevant plots, and after that, it would have been odd to come back again to that topic. 

Not to mention it would have been a bit of a rehash of Herb Garden and the girls' reactions. Been there, done that. It surely still would've been funny but I can see why they didn't do that.

 

[joyceraye]

3 hours ago, Einstein Von Brainstorm said:

I somehow started an argument about the human gestation and then went to bed last night - I apologise! 

A baby is considered 'full term' at 40 weeks. 7 days x 40 = 280 /by average no of days in a month = 9.3 months which is closer to 10 months than 9

A baby born between 36 - 40 weeks is considered 'normal' so some women are pregnant for closer to 8 months, some are pregnant for closer to 10. In the UK they won't let you go past 42 weeks pregnant without induction. Which is why people say 9 months pregnant as that is the average expected pregnancy length.

Where we live the midwife takes the first day of your last period and counts 40 weeks from that date as your 'due date' even if the ultrasound later tells you different your pregnancy file keeps the original calculated estimated due date (EDD) so you are considered to be 1 month pregnant as soon as you miss a period.

Where my Mother and Sisters live they don't give you an EDD until you have had a dating scan. 

Scans (where we live) are done at 12 and 20 weeks gestation, no 9 week scan or dating scan. You only get additional scans if there is an issue they need to keep an eye on. Our maternity hospital have also stopped estimating the sex of the child so private ultrasound businesses are booming here.

As our NHS uses the midwife count and not the ultrasound date, all 3 of our kids were considered to be premature despite all being just under/over 9lbs in weight and 52cm (around 20 inches) long.

 

TL;DR different countries/medical practitioners do things differently.
Average pregnancy falls somewhere between 8 and 10 months.
Congratulations everyone is right!  

That's interesting. My sister who was born in Wales with everything except fingernails was considered premature at 36 weeks. When I was in local government some decades ago the policy of the district midwives was to add nine calendar months plus ten days to the date of the first day of the last period. No scans or even amnioscentesis  in those days. If pregnancy testing for early confirmation was medically necessary, frogs were used. LOL. A doctor would not issue the Certificate of Expected Confinement, which allowed her to register for free milk, vitamins, etc and her maternity allowance, until he'd physically examined a woman after  three missed periods. Some doctors insisted on four. It all seems rather primitive now. The last midwife I  taught graduated in 2001. Many things may have changed even since then. Where I live they've never done deliberate  sexing of foetuses except in cases of necessity such as a family history of haemophilia but often they can tell from the scan picture anyway and they ask the parents if they want to know or not.  In my godson's case it was very obvious : the image was what Sheldon calls 'fully functional and aesthetically pleasing'.

Talking of images I'm still waiting for the promo to come up on youtube where we can see it on this side of the pond. Which is why I'm playing All Our Yesterdays for something to do. Amy sees a gynaecologist - I wonder if it 's to get her tilted uterus fixed ?

 

 

20 minutes ago, April said:

Not to mention it would have been a bit of a rehash of Herb Garden and the girls' reactions. Been there, done that. It surely still would've been funny but I can see why they didn't do that.

Also, they're all at it now so it's not as out of the ordinary as it used to be. And they are more grown up. Two of them are even married  and they were both sleeping with their women beforehand. I can imagine the 'Shamy sex'  news being acknowledged but greeted with a shrug rather than the shrieks it would have generated among the gang even two years ago.

 

 

[Einstein Von Brainstorm]

33 minutes ago, April said:

Not to mention it would have been a bit of a rehash of Herb Garden and the girls' reactions. Been there, done that. It surely still would've been funny but I can see why they didn't do that.

 

I think it would have cheapened such a sweet moment to have the guys make jokes about it tbh. I'm kinda glad that they didn't  

[April]

10 minutes ago, joyceraye said:

If pregnancy testing for early confirmation was medically necessary, frogs were used. LOL.

Fun fact: Back in the day there was apparently also a pregnancy test involving rabbits. Sadly, due to its nature the poor creatures wouldn't survive the test. However this led to the misconception that only those rabbits died when the woman was pregnant, which then led to the phrase "the rabbit died" as a euphemism for a positive pregnancy test. Which then leads us back to the V-Day episode and Howardette dealing with a little bunny. (If anyone was wondering what that joke is all about.)

Speaking of V-day, I just saw the promo photos and the FWF segment already looks hilarious. Can't wait for that! lol

[Einstein Von Brainstorm]

17 minutes ago, joyceraye said:

That's interesting. My sister who was born in Wales with everything except fingernails was considered premature at 36 weeks. When I was in local government some decades ago the policy of the district midwives was to add nine calendar months plus ten days to the date of the first day of the last period. No scans or even amnioscentesis  in those days. If pregnancy testing for early confirmation was medically necessary, frogs were used. LOL. A doctor would not issue the Certificate of Expected Confinement, which allowed her to register for free milk, vitamins, etc and her maternity allowance, until he'd physically examined a woman after  three missed periods. Some doctors insisted on four. It all seems rather primitive now. The last midwife I  taught graduated in 2001. Many things may have changed even since then. Where I live they've never done deliberate  sexing of foetuses except in cases of necessity such as a family history of haemophilia but often they can tell from the scan picture anyway and they ask the parents if they want to know or not.  In my godson's case it was very obvious : the image was what Sheldon calls 'fully functional and aesthetically pleasing'.

The MAT B1 form, as it is called now, is only issued after your 20 week scan and is issued by your Midwife  (here at least) 

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Talking of images I'm still waiting for the promo to come up on youtube where we can see it on this side of the pond. Which is why I'm playing All Our Yesterdays for something to do. Amy sees a gynaecologist - I wonder if it 's to get her tilted uterus fixed ?

Did I miss a spoiler about Amy seeing a gynaecologist or is that you speculating?

[joyceraye]

29 minutes ago, Einstein Von Brainstorm said:

The MAT B1 form, as it is called now, is only issued after your 20 week scan and is issued by your Midwife  (here at least) 

Did I miss a spoiler about Amy seeing a gynaecologist or is that you speculating?

She's mentioned seeing a gynaecologist a couple of times. She's also mentioned a tilted uterus so I'm speculating that that's why.

[Einstein Von Brainstorm]

14 minutes ago, joyceraye said:

She's mentioned seeing a gynaecologist a couple of times. She's also mentioned a tilted uterus so I'm speculating that that's why.

Ok but was there a spoiler saying she is going to go and see the gyro in an upcoming episode is what I am asking  

[April]

8 minutes ago, Einstein Von Brainstorm said:

Ok but was there a spoiler saying she is going to go and see the gyro in an upcoming episode is what I am asking  

No.

[jlove]

2 hours ago, April said:

Fun fact: Back in the day there was apparently also a pregnancy test involving rabbits. Sadly, due to its nature the poor creatures wouldn't survive the test. However this led to the misconception that only those rabbits died when the woman was pregnant, which then led to the phrase "the rabbit died" as a euphemism for a positive pregnancy test. Which then leads us back to the V-Day episode and Howardette dealing with a little bunny. (If anyone was wondering what that joke is all about.)

Oh.my.gosh.  Of course you're right, I knew this about rabbits but never even connected it to Howardette's pregnancy in my mind.  Lol...oh my gosh how I LOVE the writers!!!

[jlove]

And ok, here we go...former biology major hat going on for a sec.  No matter what used to happen where or what scans are done when here are the basics of pregnancy.

A "normal" (average) pregnancy is 40 weeks.  However that does not mean that you are pregnant for 40 weeks.  Pregnancy is dated from the first day of the last period, not from conception.  An average cycle is 28 days and ovulation typically occurs around day 14 (though both these days can vary widely....though the time between ovulation and the beginning of a period itself is actually much less prone to variation...the real issue is that most women don't know exactly when they ovulate).  So, basically, you are considered "pregnant" for two whole weeks before you ovulate, on paper.  Clearly you're not, though.  So the average pregnancy is in fact 38 weeks from assumed ovulation date to expected delivery date.

38 X 7 = 266 days

266 days / 30 days avg per month = 8.87 months.  Rounded to 9 minutes months.  Voila...the idea of a 9 month pregnancy.

Of course not even this is really true, because you're not really pregnant until implantation occurs in the uterus which can take 5-10 days AFTER ovulation to occur...so even a little less time actually "pregnant."

All this is why early scans can be helpful for dating pregnancies...if you are someone whose cycle varies significantly from the "28 day, ovulation on day 14" norm them a very early scan (< 8 weeks post-ovulation) can help more accurately date the baby's age as initial growth rates of healthy babies are pretty standard.  However, much later than that scans are generally NOT used to change EDDs in most areas, as fetal development varies greatly in later pregnancy, even as early as the 2nd trimester.

Full term is now actually considered 37-40 weeks (35-38 weeks after ovulation).  However in most areas doctors won't try to halt labor that occurs after 36 weeks (or even 35 weeks) because the methods of arresting labor have risks as well and most babies born at that gestation do well with monitoring and a bit of aid (still, they are considered premature if delivery occurs before 37 weeks, whether or not they require medical intervention.).

Additionally, apparently many industrialized nations are moving towards not wanting women to go past 41 weeks (39 weeks after ovulation) now (used to be 42/40) because the risks to the baby (reduced amniotic fluid levels and meconium aspiration primarily) increase measurably between 41 and 42 weeks.

Hope some of that info was helpful if anyone still had questions.

 

[Einstein Von Brainstorm]

5 hours ago, April said:

No.

Thank You! 

[joyceraye]

4 hours ago, jlove said:

Oh.my.gosh.  Of course you're right, I knew this about rabbits but never even connected it to Howardette's pregnancy in my mind.  Lol...oh my gosh how I LOVE the writers!!!

I'm afraid I'm old enough to have seen the significance of a rabbit  but not 'the rabbit survived' point. Or was that just supposed to be sweet ?

[EvilStewie]

16 hours ago, boys3allc said:

And I taped it off my TV for her to post! So I am pretty nice too...lol...

I concur!!! Thank you!!!

[Einstein Von Brainstorm]

22 hours ago, boys3allc said:

And I taped it off my TV for her to post! So I am pretty nice too...lol...

I'm not watching previews right now but I appreciate the fan hustle!  

[Stephen Hawking]

13 hours ago, joyceraye said:

I'm afraid I'm old enough to have seen the significance of a rabbit  but not 'the rabbit survived' point. Or was that just supposed to be sweet ?

In fact, the rabbit invariably died, whether the woman was pregnant or not, because the rabbit had to be surgically opened up, to examined the ovaries, and it was usually considered unnecessary, to go to the trouble of keeping the rabbit alive. They'd simply kill it, and open it up.

I recall an episode of MASH, where they use Radar's rabbit, to test if Margaret Houlihan is pregnant, and agree to keep the rabbit alive.

[kazzie]

I meant to post this in here last night.. I got lost and posted in the S9 spoilers thread 

Anyway....

Shamy is fine, Amy doesn't need to apologise, They Are so in love, The break up was a GOOD thing and Sheldon recognises this, Only good will come from this and they banged.

[Soopysue]

16 minutes ago, kazzie said:

I meant to post this in here last night.. I got lost and posted in the S9 spoilers thread 

Anyway....

Shamy is fine, Amy doesn't need to apologise, They Are so in love, The break up was a GOOD thing and Sheldon recognises this, Only good will come from this and they banged.

Amazing post as always Kazzie , the ending made me lol , yes they did  . 

Looking forward to some new episodes !! X

[Stephen Hawking]

5 minutes ago, Soopysue said:

yes they did  

And given it lasted as long as the SW movie, I think we can assume, several times.  

Edited January 30, 2016 by Stephen Hawking

[mirs1]

Guys, I've just realized something, the 200th episode will presumably air on February 25th, which is so so close to Sheldon's birthday as it was shown in The Intimacy Acceleration. On Wikia they set it on February 26th, which I assume was the broadcast date of that episode, I'm not sure it is 100% accurate as a birth date, but to set it within the end of February makes sense to me. I don't expect TPTB will do anything about it, too many good  birthday celebrations lately on this show, but, you know...just saying...

[rachelshamyfan]

I'm taking the 10th off work as I need to stay in the chat room and see what's occurring for this special episode, can go back to sleep after