Ship Zone [Spoilers] Shamy: Season 9

[camelliayao]

16 minutes ago, Stephen Hawking said:

I think it was realizing Amy was his heart worm.

Is it "Amy's my heart worm, I love her so much and I gotta have her now" or "Amy is my heart worm and my life is miserable without her so I have to do something or make some gesture to make her stay"?

[joyceraye]

15 minutes ago, camelliayao said:

As for the coitus thing, I don't want to repeat my old, boring opinions again. I just find it strange that he wasn't ready for all those years and suddenly became ready right after their reconciliation.

I don't think it was sudden: put on the back-burner a little perhaps. We know he'd been intending to get married and wouldn't have contemplated it without being ready. His remarks about eggs and Czechoslovakia show it had certainly been on his mind. He could have had it planned for Amy's birthday all along for all we know.

[FortCozyMcBlanket]

1 hour ago, April said:

I'd probably end up laughing hysterically if they just come back from some hiatus with the two of them wearing wedding bands because they got the paperwork done in a courthouse off-screen and that was it. No big fuss, no nothing - just be done with it! I know this would be the worst case scenario for many - this thread alone would probably implode! But I always end up laughing at horrible things (sometimes to the point of inappropriateness) so yeah... *dodges tomatoes*

if they did a spontaneous "let's just get married" wedding for Shamy they could do it in 10.2 and fulfill Amy's "prediction" (which I know everyone thinks is a throwaway line but I'm still sticking to the hope that it comes true -- although I don't want it to happen this way) 

[Einstein Von Brainstorm]

1 minute ago, camelliayao said:

Is it "Amy's my heart worm, I love her so much and I gotta have her now" or "Amy is my heart worm and my life is miserable without her so I have to do something or make some gesture to make her stay"?

Judging by his DPM at her door in 9x10 the first one  

[Soopysue]

Just popping by to add my 2 cents !!

I totally get why it makes sense to wait a while for the proposal if we're going for an 11th season but I have a slight need for closure myself and if they are still playing Sheldon as having a need for closure - I can totally understand why they would have him want to "seal the deal" reasonably soon - I know I'll be so glad when they do !!!  

I can see them have him propose defiantly this season if this is the case !

[nothereanymore]

14 minutes ago, camelliayao said:

Is it "Amy's my heart worm, I love her so much and I gotta have her now" or "Amy is my heart worm and my life is miserable without her so I have to do something or make some gesture to make her stay"?

Probably both of those and also some 'the show needs him to do this now and be ready, so let's have him do this in the least weird way we can.'

I personally never had much faith in the show finally touching on Sheldon's approach to sex and them having sex, and yeah, it's suspect given the timing, but I think the needs of the show probably had much more to do with it than what they wanted Sheldon's motivations to be. But I say this as someone who had pretty low expectations on that front from the start.

Edited January 30, 2016 by CuriousMeans

[mirs1]

21 minutes ago, camelliayao said:

Well he certainly felt he was ready in 824 and in 907, didn't he. So what changed him mind now? Is it because of the break up? Since in 915 he clearly had already got over the break up. (He said the break up was necessary and made them stronger than ever), we know it's not because of the break up. Or maybe he was not ready this whole time, the ring was just a tool to make the break up more dramatic, after all who wouldn't like to see a puppy-eyed, heartbroken Sheldon.

As for the coitus thing, I don't want to repeat my old, boring opinions again. I just find it strange that he wasn't ready for all those years and suddenly became ready right after their reconciliation.

You have already seen the Meemaw episode (lucky you!!!) so for sure you have a better understanding than myself about what went on there, but from what I understood from the TR, Sheldon was thinking about proposing, so he asked his mother the ring. Why wasn't it in the wall safe but in his desk, as if he wanted to use it just on their fifth anniversary in 8.24? Maybe the writers hadn't decided yet that in Sheldon's apartment there was a wall safe at that point, or maybe opening a wall safe is not that dramatic as opening a drawer, LOL! Anyway, in 9.7 he was not going to propose because he wanted to and he thought through it, he was going to propose because he was suffering, didn't know how to deal with it, since denial was not enough any more, and decided to put an end to pain in the quickest way possible. Not a good reason to get married. Now, after everything has settled down, he has his equilibrium again, he can think again about marriage; he doesn't like change, so it's ok to give him time to decide. I know that this is again the Sheldon part of the story, nobody is questioning whether Amy is ready or whether she is tired to wait, but in my country we say "It takes two persons to dance tango", if he is not ready, Amy can either wait or step away, but for sure she can't force him. Of course the writers did all of it to increase the drama in the break up plot and to make people watch the show, it's their job and in some way it worked, but to me this plot still makes sense and I'm not surprised Sheldon is not ready yet to get married. 

[camelliayao]

17 minutes ago, joyceraye said:

I don't think it was sudden: put on the back-burner a little perhaps. We know he'd been intending to get married and wouldn't have contemplated it without being ready. His remarks about eggs and Czechoslovakia show it had certainly been on his mind. He could have had it planned for Amy's birthday all along for all we know.

I'm sorry I thought that line was the writers preparing us for the upcoming coitus

[Stephen Hawking]

16 minutes ago, FortCozyMcBlanket said:

(which I know everyone thinks is a throwaway line but I'm still sticking to the hope that it comes true) 

I don't think it's a throwaway line, and I really hope it comes true.

10 minutes ago, Soopysue said:

I know I'll be so glad when they do !!!  

They've already done it.

Sorry, different subject.  

[FortCozyMcBlanket]

35 minutes ago, camelliayao said:

As for the coitus thing, I don't want to repeat my old, boring opinions again. I just find it strange that he wasn't ready for all those years and suddenly became ready right after their reconciliation.

 

30 minutes ago, Stephen Hawking said:

I think it was realizing Amy was his heart worm.

My perspective on this is that he had been having desires prior to 8.24, which I think went hand in hand with his plan to propose at some point, but he had been holding back because he's Sheldon and he refused to give in to his feelings... but the minute he realized she's his heartworm in 9.10, he took down the walls he built and gave into all the passion he had for her. And part of that passion was expressing his love to her on an intimate level - which is part of the reason why I think it happened so immediately after the reconciliation, aside from the fact that I think he wanted to make Amy's birthday even more special with a huge milestone for them. And I think before it actually happened he may not have necessarily had particular urges or expectations, but after it happened he realized what all the fuss is about... and I think we're going to start seeing his newfound urges start to reveal themselves in future episodes  

[camelliayao]

17 minutes ago, mirs1 said:

You have already seen the Meemaw episode (lucky you!!!) so for sure you have a better understanding than myself about what went on there, but from what I understood from the TR, Sheldon was thinking about proposing, so he asked his mother the ring. Why wasn't it in the wall safe but in his desk, as if he wanted to use it just on their fifth anniversary in 8.24? Maybe the writers hadn't decided yet that in Sheldon's apartment there was a wall safe at that point, or maybe opening a wall safe is not that dramatic as opening a drawer, LOL! Anyway, in 9.7 he was not going to propose because he wanted to and he thought through it, he was going to propose because he was suffering, didn't know how to deal with it, since denial was not enough any more, and decided to put an end to pain in the quickest way possible. Not a good reason to get married. Now, after everything has settled down, he has his equilibrium again, he can think again about marriage; he doesn't like change, so it's ok to give him time to decide. I know that this is again the Sheldon part of the story, nobody is questioning whether Amy is ready or whether she is tired to wait, but in my country we say "It takes two persons to dance tango", if he is not ready, Amy can either wait or step away, but for sure she can't force him. Of course the writers did all of it to increase the drama in the break up plot and to make people watch the show, it's their job and in some way it worked, but to me this plot still makes sense and I'm not surprised Sheldon is not ready yet to get married. 

To be honest after almost two weeks I can hardly remember a thing I watched... However, and I may be wrong about this, but the show might have hinted that it's not that Sheldon asked his mother for the ring but the other way around. He might have said something like "my mother gave me the ring and I was thinking about giving it to you before we broke up."

And I'm not surprised at all that Sheldon is not ready yet for marriage. It's just after all the dramas in previous episodes, which portrayed Sheldon as a poor man who's ready to marry his girlfriend but got dumped. Now the writers sorta tell us, guess what, he's not ready after all. It's like what? So you guys were tricking me before?

Edited January 30, 2016 by camelliayao

[FortCozyMcBlanket]

25 minutes ago, camelliayao said:

Is it "Amy's my heart worm, I love her so much and I gotta have her now" or "Amy is my heart worm and my life is miserable without her so I have to do something or make some gesture to make her stay"?

I very much believe it was a blend of the former and the thinking that "I want to make a gesture that indicates to Amy that I am indeed letting my emotional walls crumble and that I want her to know that I'm committed to allowing myself to give into my love for her -- and it starts with me showing her how intimate I want to be."  

[April]

21 minutes ago, camelliayao said:

Well he certainly felt he was ready in 824 and in 907, didn't he. So what changed him mind now? Is it because of the break up? Since in 915 he clearly had already got over the break up. (He said the break up was necessary and made them stronger than ever), we know it's not because of the break up. Or maybe he was not ready this whole time, the ring was just a tool to make the break up more dramatic, after all who wouldn't like to see a puppy-eyed, heartbroken Sheldon.

I don't think the issue is that he isn't ready in the sense that he has doubts about marrying Amy or just wanting to have the proposal as an option if things go downhill again and he needs another sacrificial gesture to keep her or some such nonsense. I have no idea what brought on this negative interpretation cause I don't see it in the text at all. (Although I noticed that you have slightly bitter tone in your posts recently. I have a suspicion as to why and it's breaking my heart a bit.) I think initially in S8 he got the ring and would have waited for the right moment to propose. (Maybe that moment would have even been on their anniversary before it all fell apart, who knows?) 9x07 was the sheer desperation of the moment.

Anyway, I think at this point it's more about pacing and timing in a positive sense. They've practically just gotten back together, they made love for the first time, they're in a good place - no need to rush things. For a couple like Shamy who've been going forward at an excruciatingly slow rate it's like they're travelling at light speed right now. If Sheldon feels the need to catch his breath and cool the jets a bit then by all means let him - especially after the stressful Meemaw incident! I wouldn't want him to have proposed just to get this over with or some equally terrible reason.

21 minutes ago, camelliayao said:

As for the coitus thing, I don't want to repeat my old, boring opinions again. I just find it strange that he wasn't ready for all those years and suddenly became ready right after their reconciliation.

Honestly, it's a lot less strange if you see it as a gradual development over a couple of years. He had a lot of personal issues to overcome but he was working on them. We saw the results in that he was getting more comfortable with Amy - regular kissing, confident hand holding, a more warm and welcoming hug. Sometimes his nerves got the better of him like in the prom episode but I do think him even entertaining the idea of engaging in post-prom rituals was an indication that was pretty close to being ready. Furthermore, in 8x24 we did see him actively wanting more (before it all fell apart, sadly). And then we got the whole breakup filled with sexual innuendo and him worrying about Amy sleeping with other men. And that reunion kiss was a full body embrace for who knows how long. All things considered it isn't really that surprising that he was ready.

If the breakup helped with anything on that front it was to brush away any lingering doubts and fears (which I don't think there were many at this point). The realisation of how much Amy means to him surely gave him the necessary feeling of security to finally do that step with her. Not for her as some sort of sacrificial means to keep her around (there's no indication at all that he would even think that) but decidedly with her as a next step in their relationship as he sees it as an important night for the both of them.

I am kind of baffled that we've reached a point at which the notion that a guy wanting to sleep with his girlfriend because he loves her and wants to express that on a physical level is somehow so inconceivable that it is met with such a big amount of scepticism.

(Ugh, I take a long time to type things apparently. Plenty of replies in the meanwhile expressed similar points, sorry for being repetitive.)

[Radar]

50 minutes ago, Einstein Von Brainstorm said:

Judging by his DPM at her door in 9x10 the first one  

I just CAN'T see DPM anymore without associating it with 'Dave Prompted Makeout'! LOL! That was just hilarious! Forgot who came up with it, so whoever it was: I love you for making me laugh so hard - I nearly fell off my chair! 

[camelliayao]

2 minutes ago, April said:

I don't think the issue is that he isn't ready in the sense that he has doubts about marrying Amy or just wanting to have the proposal as an option if things go downhill again and he needs another sacrificial gesture to keep her or some such nonsense. I have no idea what brought on this negative interpretation cause I don't see it in the text at all. (Although I noticed that you have slightly bitter tone in your posts recently. I have a suspicion as to why and it's breaking my heart a bit.) I think initially in S8 he got the ring and would have waited for the right moment to propose. (Maybe that moment would have even been on their anniversary before it all fell apart, who knows?) 9x07 was the sheer desperation of the moment.

Anyway, I think at this point it's more about pacing and timing in a positive sense. They've practically just gotten back together, they made love for the first time, they're in a good place - no need to rush things. For a couple like Shamy who've been going forward at an excruciatingly slow rate it's like they're travelling at light speed right now. If Sheldon feels the need to catch his breath and cool the jets a bit then by all means let him - especially after the stressful Meemaw incident! I wouldn't want him to have proposed just to get this over with or some equally terrible reason.

Honestly, it's a lot less strange if you see it as a gradual development over a couple of years. He had a lot of personal issues to overcome but he was working on them. We saw the results in that he was getting more comfortable with Amy - regular kissing, confident hand holding, a more warm and welcoming hug. Sometimes his nerves got the better of him like in the prom episode but I do think him even entertaining the idea of engaging in post-prom rituals was an indication that was pretty close to being ready. Furthermore, in 8x24 we did see him actively wanting more (before it all fell apart, sadly). And then we got the whole breakup filled with sexual innuendo and him worrying about Amy sleeping with other men. And that reunion kiss was a full body embrace for who knows how long. All things considered it isn't really that surprising that he was ready.

If the breakup helped with anything on that front it was to brush away any lingering doubts and fears (which I don't think there were many at this point). The realisation of how much Amy means to him surely gave him the necessary feeling of security to finally do that step with her. Not for her as some sort of sacrificial means to keep her around (there's no indication at all that he would even think that) but decidedly with her as a next step in their relationship as he sees it as an important night for the both of them.

I am kind of baffled that we've reached a point at which the notion that a guy wanting to sleep with his girlfriend because he loves her and wants to express that on a physical level is somehow so inconceivable that it is met with such a big amount of scepticism.

(Ugh, I take a long time to type things apparently. Plenty of replies in the meanwhile expressed similar points, sorry for being repetitive.)

Awwww your posts always make me feel better. Yes I've have some doubts about the show since 9x11. I don't know, maybe I prefer them to take things slow and let coitus happen more "naturally" than for it to be a gift. But like I said, since it has already happened, there's no use dwelling on it.

As for the proposal, it doesn't bother me when Sheldon will be ready. I just want more happy Shamy, less eye rolling, no drama from now on. *Finger crossed*

[birdy]

6 hours ago, camelliayao said:

As for the coitus thing, I don't want to repeat my old, boring opinions again. I just find it strange that he wasn't ready for all those years and suddenly became ready right after their reconciliation.

Now it might be me who's beating the poor, dead horse since I recall this discussion happening at least once or twice, so I apologize in advance.  
He'd been working through his issues with intimacy ever since he met Amy. It was a slowly process, but he was making progress at his own pace. I believe he was really close at getting there in 8x24. The break up was probably the final trigger that sealed the deal, because he realized the true value of Amy and their relationship and most of all, was finally confronting his own feelings instead of running away from them or trying to suppress them. He already had Amy back, unconditionally in 9x10 and there was no pressure to have coitus on Amy's part. In the aquarium episode Amy kinda confirmed to us and to Sheldon that the break up wasn't about sex. It might have played a small role in it alongside with other issues, but it wasn't the main point. So I don't see the coitus as a sacrifice in order to keep her around. For me, it was always about him showing her how much he loves her and trusts her. That he trusts her so much that he was ready to be all in and not holding back anymore, despite of his issues with intimacy.  During the break up he had to face his own feelings and the fact that he can't be "Spock". I think it also helped him accept his urges and desires. And when they reconciliated, he was ready to take that next step with her. Not for her.

So I see it as a 5 year long journey for him which slowly led to the 9x11, not something that happened suddenly or was just a way to keep Amy from leaving. Why was it the next episode after reconciliation? It probably had more to do with the SW, than anything else. Of course, everyone can make up their own minds about it, this is just how I see it and why it makes sense to me.

 

ETA: I see many of you beat me to the punch. Sorry for repeating the same points!

Edited January 31, 2016 by bluebird

[April]

18 minutes ago, camelliayao said:

Awwww your posts always make me feel better.

Glad to hear that. You're welcome!

 

[Einstein Von Brainstorm]

38 minutes ago, Radar said:

I just CAN'T see DPM anymore without associating it with 'Dave Prompted Makeout'! LOL! That was just hilarious! Forgot who came up with it, so whoever it was: I love you for making me laugh so hard - I nearly fell off my chair! 

I tried to find an online definition of it but I can't google what D stands for without ending up on the wrong websites!  

[Stephen Hawking]

20 minutes ago, bluebird said:

Why was it the next episode after reconciliation?

Because it was Amy's birthday, and therefore the perfect time.

18 minutes ago, Einstein Von Brainstorm said:

I tried to find an online definition of it but I can't google what D stands for without ending up on the wrong websites!  

Whenever i Google DPM, I get listings for camouflage.  

From what you've said, I think your results would be more interesting.  

[Einstein Von Brainstorm]

1 hour ago, Radar said:

I just CAN'T see DPM anymore without associating it with 'Dave Prompted Makeout'! LOL! That was just hilarious! Forgot who came up with it, so whoever it was: I love you for making me laugh so hard - I nearly fell off my chair! 

*any excuse to post this*

[FortCozyMcBlanket]

1 hour ago, Radar said:

I just CAN'T see DPM anymore without associating it with 'Dave Prompted Makeout'! LOL! That was just hilarious! Forgot who came up with it, so whoever it was: I love you for making me laugh so hard - I nearly fell off my chair! 

yep, that was my idiot mistake! 

[Radar]

5 minutes ago, FortCozyMcBlanket said:

yep, that was my idiot mistake! 

Thank you a million times! 

[EvilStewie]

4 hours ago, FortCozyMcBlanket said:

if they end up using Sheldon's birthday as a storyline I hope they have Sheldon hoping for the same present he got Amy for her birthday  

Think it would be cute is he finally got the courage to say that is what he wanted, but not completely straightforward. He was more I want what I got you, and he gets another blotched live FWF video 

[AnnJ]

You may know this already, but I will post it for those who don't and might care.  TBBT is nominated for best tv comic ensemble  and Jim Parsons for best comic tv actor in tonight's Screen Actors Guild Awards.  Hope both win! I love seeing the cast dressed to the nines!

[Einstein Von Brainstorm]

4 minutes ago, AnnJ said:

You may know this already, but I will post it for those who don't and might care.  TBBT is nominated for best tv comic ensemble  and Jim Parsons for best comic tv actor in tonight's Screen Actors Guild Awards.  Hope both win! I love seeing the cast dressed to the nines!

There is a thread for that here:

 

If you wanna come and join in the chat there