Ship Zone [Spoilers] Shamy: Season 9

[rachelshamyfan]

3 minutes ago, EvilStewie said:

But that is biology, thats all about yucky squishy things

Yup menstrual cycles definitely fall into the yucky things bracket

[EvilStewie]

I'm sorry, I could help myself! It makes sense he'd be clueless though

1 hour ago, Soopysue said:

Haha, I love this - I've watched it so many times , Jim  and Todds faces are so cute !! They are loving it !

I swear Jim is the biggest Shamy fan out there! I love him for that!! 

[910]

5 hours ago, rachelshamyfan said:

Sheldon doesn't know as much about the female menstrual cycle as he thinks, if he thinks his meemaw still has one or anything close to "regular"

 

http://news.yahoo.com/video/big-bang-theory-meemaw-materialization-101308048.html?soc_src=mediacontentsharebuttons&soc_trk=tw

Actually, this really bothers me more than the inappropriate joke that I know it is intended as.  Of all the lines that Amy used as the final straw for the breakup outburst in episode 9.1 was Sheldon mentioning how he could sire offspring indefinitely, but Amy's eggs had an expiration date.  Thus, Sheldon is aware of menopause (he even asked what age Penny's mother went into menopause when trying to calculate how many tampons Penny should buy in bulk), but the viewers must make peace with yet another writer inconsistency that supposedly has no relevance. IMHO, other than Sheldon's growth (and I would hope Amy's growth too, but I should know better than to be that optimistic), it seems to make all the breakup drama meaningless in the end.

While I love the show as a whole, the insurmountable inconsistencies now involving season wide and well established plot lines is why I would prefer (although an unpopular opinion, I know) if they would end the series in season 10 and start a spinoff instead...

Edited February 1, 2016 by Touche

[Stephen Hawking]

13 hours ago, April said:

Cold open: Sheldon's room. Shamy in blissful post coitus glow. "Happy birthday, Sheldon." They cuddle.

Lenny moving out or not, that's the scene I want to see.

ETA: Also, on Sheldon's birthday, I'd like Amy to arrive at 4A, and imitate Sheldon's arrival at her apartment, on her birthday:-

Knock, knock, knock, "Birthday Boy."

Knock, knock, knock, "Birthday Boy."

Knock, knock, knock, "Birthday Boy."

That'd be  

13 hours ago, Amy Fowler said:

 

Amy is panting so hard, in that scene.

Sheldon really must excel at coitus.  

BTW. Isn't that bed scene, from an unused camera angle?

Edited February 1, 2016 by Stephen Hawking

[April]

All that Sheldon seems to know about the menstrual cycle is apparently "women get cranky". lol And while I appreciate on some level that the joke is on him for being so clueless and not "hurrdeehurr those crazy wimminz!" I'd love if he'd wise up about that at some point. Maybe after Amy actually moved in he'll suddenly notice monthly recurring quirks of hers that go totally contrary to the expected monthly crankiness. I mean, if you have to make jokes about menstruation at least make them a bit more interesting, show!

 

[Stephen Hawking]

1 minute ago, April said:

All that Sheldon seems to know about the menstrual cycle is apparently "women get cranky".

He knows more than that.

He knows enough to guess at Penny cycle:-

Now, if you assume 15 tampons per cycle and a 28 day cycle.

And that it's a regular thing:-

Leonard (entering): Hey, I just ran into Penny, she seemed upset about something.

Sheldon: I think it’s her time of the month. I marked the calendar for future reference.

and what causes it:-

Now, obviously, not when she’s made cranky by the shedding of her uterine lining.

[910]

15 minutes ago, April said:

All that Sheldon seems to know about the menstrual cycle is apparently "women get cranky". lol And while I appreciate on some level that the joke is on him for being so clueless and not "hurrdeehurr those crazy wimminz!" I'd love if he'd wise up about that at some point. Maybe after Amy actually moved in he'll suddenly notice monthly recurring quirks of hers that go totally contrary to the expected monthly crankiness. I mean, if you have to make jokes about menstruation at least make them a bit more interesting, show!

 

I know, I would have rather Sheldon used his joke about hens clucking (one of my favorites), rather than their time of the month.  Again, my complaint it is not because it is squeemish, but rather being scarred by that specific topic being the tipping point of the actual breakup.

[April]

3 minutes ago, Stephen Hawking said:

He knows more than that.

He knows enough to guess at Penny cycle:-

Now, if you assume 15 tampons per cycle and a 28 day cycle.

And that it's a regular thing:-

Leonard (entering): Hey, I just ran into Penny, she seemed upset about something.

Sheldon: I think it’s her time of the month. I marked the calendar for future reference.

and what causes it:-

Now, obviously, not when she’s made cranky by the shedding of her uterine lining.

Most of that still boils down to "women are cranky" and his assumptions are not to be taken as correct. Him trying to calculate the number of tampons is met with a WTF look from Penny (admittedly for more than one reason here) and he only assumes she's on her period because she's cranky - even though the episode shows that she's upset because of other reasons.

9 minutes ago, Touche said:

I know, I would have rather Sheldon used his joke about hens clucking (one of my favorites), rather than their time of the month.  Again, my complaint it is not because it is squeemish, but rather being scarred by that specific topic being the tipping point of the actual breakup.

Yeah, I get what you mean. If I had to handwave it I'd say he's so clueless that he may know women can't get pregnant after menopause but he doesn't know that that means they don't have a cycle anymore. But yeah... it's just a cheap joke, let's be real. Sometimes I just want to have someone sit him down and explain these things to him so he'd stop making clueless comments like that. ugh

[910]

7 minutes ago, April said:

Most of that still boils down to "women are cranky" and his assumptions are not to be taken as correct. Him trying to calculate the number of tampons is met with a WTF look from Penny (admittedly for more than one reason here) and he only assumes she's on her period because she's cranky - even though the episode shows that she's upset because of other reasons.

Yeah, I get what you mean. If I had to handwave it I'd say he's so clueless that he may know women can't get pregnant after menopause but he doesn't know that that means they don't have a cycle anymore. But yeah... it's just a cheap joke, let's be real. Sometimes I just want to have someone sit him down and explain these things to him so he'd stop making clueless comments like that. ugh

Sheldon knows their period stops though because he tried to calculate how many tampons Penny should buy in bulk based on when Penny's mother went into menopause.

[April]

3 minutes ago, Touche said:

Sheldon knows their period stops though because he tried to calculate how many tampons Penny should buy in bulk based on when Penny's mother went into menopause.

Oh right... well it was worth a shot. lol So all that shall remain then is my request of "Please Sheldon, stop saying stupid shit about periods. Period!"

[Stephen Hawking]

12 minutes ago, April said:

Sometimes I just want to have someone sit him down and explain these things to him so he'd stop making clueless comments like that. ugh

Or, he could just read the book, Leonard and Penny got for him.  

[Kathy2611]

I'd just chalk it up as yet another stupid line from the writers.  The longer this show goes on, the worse it gets and like someone said earlier, sometimes I think the fans know the show better than they do.  I'd love to sit them down and make them watch all the shows they have so far and force them to take notes so we no longer have any inconsistancies.

[910]

14 minutes ago, Kathy2611 said:

I'd just chalk it up as yet another stupid line from the writers.  The longer this show goes on, the worse it gets and like someone said earlier, sometimes I think the fans know the show better than they do.  I'd love to sit them down and make them watch all the shows they have so far and force them to take notes so we no longer have any inconsistancies.

That is what is backwards to me.  We have to infer so much that is not explained regarding the plotlines (Emily and Penny reconciling their differences so she is part of the group, what Penny meant during the psychiatrist visit, what happened to Stephanie), but the overuse of inconsistent and cheap jokes, that in this particular case was one of the direct causes of the Shamy breakup, contradicting a major plotline, we have to grin and bear it like no big deal.  I might forgive forgetting the Season 1 episode where Sheldon asks Penny when her mother went into menopause to calculate the number of tampons to buy in bulk.  However, within the same season forgetting the actual line that shifted Shamy from on a break to broken up is very sloppy and why I wish the series would end strong in season 10, than sloppy in whatever season of ridiculousness.

Edited February 1, 2016 by Touche

[April]

12 minutes ago, Kathy2611 said:

I'd just chalk it up as yet another stupid line from the writers.  The longer this show goes on, the worse it gets and like someone said earlier, sometimes I think the fans know the show better than they do.  I'd love to sit them down and make them watch all the shows they have so far and force them to take notes so we no longer have any inconsistancies.

I keep thinking that with many long-running shows. Or just hire someone who reads the scripts to point out any inconsistencies if you don't wanna do it yourself. lol

[nothereanymore]

10 minutes ago, Touche said:

That is what is backwards to me.  We have to infer so much that is not explained regarding the plotlines (Emily and Penny reconciling their differences so she is part of the group, what Penny meant during the psychiatrist visit, what happened to Stephanie), but the overuse of inconsistent and cheap jokes, that in this particular case was one of the direct causes of the Shamy breakup, contradicting a major plotline, we have to grin and bear it like no big deal.  I might forgive forgetting the Season 1 episode where Sheldon asks Penny when her mother went into menopause to calculate the number of tampons to buy in bulk.  However, within the same season forgetting the actual line that shifted Shamy from on a break to broken up is very sloppy.

Honestly, this is why I never really started watching it until recently. The really standard jokes always happened at least once (and having watched more of it now, weaken the show as a whole) and they weren't funny enough to carry the show pre Bernie and Amy for me.

I'd be really happy if Sheldon made another menstrual joke and all the girls wrecked him for it as inaccurate and terrible. And then those jokes died forever. The end.

(And also, if the throwaway and callback jokes were instead lines that fit within the show while being funny, but I don't really have high hopes for either of these. It's infuriating. If anything, the setup should aid in keeping internal consistency, not hinder. I don't understand why they think it's ok to do as writers?)

Edited February 1, 2016 by CuriousMeans

[mirs1]

6 minutes ago, April said:

I keep thinking that with many long-running shows. Or just hire someone who reads the scripts to point out any inconsistencies if you don't wanna do it yourself. lol

Or be prepared to be scorned at SDCC, when fans ask you to account for those inconsistencies; one of my favourite TBBT-related You Tube video is Bill Prady at some SDCC justifying himself for making Sheldon have two "first" kisses! I could ear him scrambling, it was hilarious! Anyway, I accepted his explanation, in my head his first kiss was with Amy, no matter what reason says!!

Edited February 1, 2016 by mirs1

[April]

10 minutes ago, mirs1 said:

Or be prepared to be scorned at SDCC, when fans ask you to account for those inconsistencies; one of my favourite TBBT-related You Tube video is Bill Prady at some SDCC justifying himself for making Sheldon have two "first" kisses! I could ear him scrambling, it was hilarious! Anyway, I accepted his explanation, in my head his first kiss was with Amy, no matter what reason says!!

The Beverly thing, right? Ugh yes, I'm all for not counting drunken sexual assault that everybody agreed: This should never have happened and let's never talk of it again, k thx. (That scene makes me squirm more than the Shenny kiss!)

[boys3allc]

1. On Sheldon and periods.... I really wish they would just stop this. Or at least keep his knowledge of "uterus stuff" consistent. One day tbe man is an expert. The next all he knows is that womanfolk be crazy when they're on the rag. At times his logic is that of a caveman.
2. On writing inconstancy. I imagine in a show that has been on ten years it would be  hard to keep track of everything the characters have said. Especially little one line throwaway jokes. But you woukd think they could keep immportant canon straight. (full disclsure once in writing one of my longer stories I totally firgit I'd written something in the beginnng, then changed it and people were upset. But after six months of writing I get confused.)

[nothereanymore]

On 1/31/2016 at 9:52 PM, Einstein Von Brainstorm said:

1. On writing inconstancy. I imagine in a show that has been on ten years it would be  hard to keep track of everything the characters have said. Especially little one line throwaway jokes. But you woukd think they could keep immportant canon straight. (full disclsure once in writing one of my longer stories I totally firgit I'd written something in the beginnng, then changed it and people were upset. But after six months of writing I get confused.)

 Like this

Well, this is glitching and not letting me quote you, but on 2: they have a team of writers who should have been trained to keep the internal world of the show consistent. Yeah, it is hard, but they should do it automatically as professional writers. That's what they get paid for (hypothetically). 

ETA: This is always why Amy's characterization weirds me out. The hesitancy in what they wanted was really visible there, to me. Or just me. IDK. I just like these dorks and want to not get hung up on stuff like this.

Edited February 1, 2016 by CuriousMeans

[April]

40 minutes ago, CuriousMeans said:

Honestly, this is why I never really started watching it until recently. The really standard jokes always happened at least once (and having watched more of it now, weaken the show as a whole) and they weren't funny enough to carry the show pre Bernie and Amy for me.

I'm also rather forgiving when it comes to inconsistencies that clash with the the early seasons, especially S1 since they needed to figure out what to do with it. For me the show really came to life when Amy and Bernie joined the cast. But even then I realise that there was another adjustment period to fit those two new additions into the established cast, so again I'm pretty forgiving with inconsistencies that result from the writers trying to see what works and what doesn't. It's always a bit of a compromise as annyoing as it may be for us as fans who'd prefer to have a seamless narrative. Oh well...

40 minutes ago, CuriousMeans said:

I'd be really happy if Sheldon made another menstrual joke and all the girls wrecked him for it as inaccurate and terrible. And then those jokes died forever. The end.

I had the naive hope that Mrs. Davies set him straight after the harassment incident with Alex but... nah! That didn't stick at all. Maybe now that he's more open to change...? ugh

Or the writers just let it die without big fanfare like so many other running gags. I really wouldn't miss them. lol

40 minutes ago, CuriousMeans said:

(And also, if the throwaway and callback jokes were instead lines that fit within the show while being funny, but I don't really have high hopes for either of these. It's infuriating. If anything, the setup should aid in keeping internal consistency, not hinder. I don't understand why they think it's ok to do as writers?)

lol right? I often find myself thinking "Why didn't you make a joke about X instead??" because it would be so much more fitting and create less internal conflict with some past episode. There's so much wasted potential sometimes. I know you can do better, show!! ughh

[910]

I could forgive it contradicting Season 1, but when the joke contradicts the current Season 9 premiere episode that includes of all things Lenny's wedding, and was so gut wrenching, that even the Shamy reconciliation and coitus haven't healed those wounds, yet the writers want to contradict and joke about the one line that started it all.  Not to mention that the episode has been replayed at least twice during the holiday hiatuses, and we are just over halfway through the season.  So, so sloppy.

Edited February 1, 2016 by Touche

[April]

5 minutes ago, Touche said:

I could forgive it contradicting Season 1, but when the joke contradicts the current Season 9 premiere episode that includes of all things Lenny's wedding, and was so gut wrenching, that even the Shamy reconciliation and coitus haven't healed those wounds, yet the writers want to contradict and joke about the one line that started it all.  Not to mention that the episode has been replayed at least twice during the holiday hiatuses, and we are just over halfway through the season.  So, so sloppy.

I don't think the writers "want" to make fun of what started the breakup - I fear they probably didn't think about the connection at all.

So while it's annoying I also can't really get myself too worked up about it. At some point I'll just have to step back and drink some tea or else I'd end up in a loony bin. lol

[uni069]

About menstrual joke 
It's incredibly lame and kind of really stupid. For better tolerance  I explained it to myself (though it is a bad explanation I know) as some sort of sentimental thing from Sheldon. It's his meemaw, he's awfully not rational about stuff he loves. I think he subconsciously excludes her from any normal-human category, like age, for example. It's like with his mother's age (I don't remember in which episode it was) when he writes on the board she is 35 or 45 being fully aware she is not.

[MAH_B]

1 hour ago, Touche said:

I could forgive it contradicting Season 1, but when the joke contradicts the current Season 9 premiere episode that includes of all things Lenny's wedding, and was so gut wrenching, that even the Shamy reconciliation and coitus haven't healed those wounds, yet the writers want to contradict and joke about the one line that started it all.  Not to mention that the episode has been replayed at least twice during the holiday hiatuses, and we are just over halfway through the season.  So, so sloppy.

I wondering how this contradicts the current season. I'm not being snarky, I'm really missing the connection. Is it because you think he's implying that Amy is in menopause (like Meemaw)? I hear the joke as him not realizing that Meemaw had presumably stopped her cycles, not as saying Amy is an old lady. Because I tend to be overly apologetic to Sheldon (and the writers, I guess), I read/hear this as Sheldon perhaps not being willing/able to accept that Meemaw is old...or something. I guess. I dunno.

just trying to understand the argument on either side.

[April]

3 minutes ago, MAH_B said:

I wondering how this contradicts the current season. I'm not being snarky, I'm really missing the connection. Is it because you think he's implying that Amy is in menopause (like Meemaw)? I hear the joke as him not realizing that Meemaw had presumably stopped her cycles, not as saying Amy is an old lady. Because I tend to be overly apologetic to Sheldon (and the writers, I guess), I read/hear this as Sheldon perhaps not being willing/able to accept that Meemaw is old...or something. I guess. I dunno.

just trying to understand the argument on either side.

Since Touche isn't here right now the basic train of thought is:

- in 9x01 Sheldon made a comment about Amy's eggs expiring, ergo he knows what menopause is and when it happens

- in 9x14 now he's making a comment about Amy's and Meemaw's cycles syncing giving us a good old "Sheldon is clueless about uterus-stuff" joke that contradicts the earlier scene in that he should have known that Meemaw is too old to have a cycle

- the apparent contradiction causes frustration because 1) it's again for a lousy throwaway gag, and 2) the thing that it is contradicting is that one line from the breakup that was very painful for many.

Hope that helps. : )

(Personally I'm just rolling my eyes at it but I'm not upset.)