Ship Zone [Spoilers] Shamy: Season 9

[Stephen Hawking]

26 minutes ago, brilliantfool said:

There is something about TBBT that is so captivating

I think it's the large number of scenes involving "sweetness".

[910]

8 hours ago, mirs1 said:

Or be prepared to be scorned at SDCC, when fans ask you to account for those inconsistencies; one of my favourite TBBT-related You Tube video is Bill Prady at some SDCC justifying himself for making Sheldon have two "first" kisses! I could ear him scrambling, it was hilarious! Anyway, I accepted his explanation, in my head his first kiss was with Amy, no matter what reason says!!

See I could care less who Sheldon's first kiss is because even Amy admits she has been kissed before Sheldon.  Who their first kiss was has no relevance to any major plotline.  In fact, the first drunk kiss didn't even count for Sheldon and Amy because they rebooted their relationship to a prior state to ignore Amy's hangover.  So technically first Shamy kiss would be the tiara, even though it was neither Amy or Sheldon's "first" kiss.

However, in the Mee-Maw episode, holding Amy's accountable for hurting Sheldon by breaking up with him is a season wide major plotline.  Sheldon is my favorite character, and I know there will still be insults and clueless comments, but damaging other characters (nasty interrogation by Mee-Maw and an arrogant Amy) and contradicting what caused the breakup from an accountability standpoint to elevate Sheldon is difficult towatch.

Also, if Sheldon has an eidetic memory to remember he never told Amy why Mee-Maw calls him Moonpie over the course of five years, but he can't remember his insult from six months ago that prompted Amy to breakup with him, yeah that's believable. Another reason why the dropped "You never cared to ask" line simply infuriates me that they even attempted to use it. However, casual viewers see Penny and Lenny as the doting "parents" to Sheldon, and Amy as a mean, arrogant, and clueless girlfriend. 

Edited February 1, 2016 by Touche

[brilliantfool]

1 hour ago, Stephen Hawking said:

I think it's the large number of scenes involving "sweetness".

idk, for me it's more science + pop culture / sci-fi refereces + characters are more relatable for me than the ones in FRIENDS

[mirs1]

1 hour ago, Touche said:

See I could care less who Sheldon's first kiss is because even Amy admits she has been kissed before Sheldon.  Who their first kiss was has no relevance to any major plotline.  In fact, the first drunk kiss didn't even count for Sheldon and Amy because they rebooted their relationship to a prior state to ignore Amy's hangover.  So technically first Shamy kiss would be the tiara, even though it was neither Amy or Sheldon's "first" kiss.

However, in the Mee-Maw episode, holding Amy's accountable for hurting Sheldon by breaking up with him is a season wide major plotline.  Sheldon is my favorite character, and I know there will still be insults and clueless comments, but damaging other characters (nasty interrogation by Mee-Maw and an arrogant Amy) and contradicting what caused the breakup from an accountability standpoint to elevate Sheldon is difficult towatch.

Also, if Sheldon has an eidetic memory to remember he never told Amy why Mee-Maw calls him Moonpie over the course of five years, but he can't remember his insult from six months ago that prompted Amy to breakup with him, yeah that's believable. Another reason why the dropped "You never cared to ask" line simply infuriates me that they even attempted to use it. However, casual viewers see Penny and Lenny as the doting "parents" to Sheldon, and Amy as a mean, arrogant, and clueless girlfriend. 

I'm sorry you are having so hard feelings for that line, it didn't came across to me at any level as an offense to Amy or as a memory of their break up. Even if the "subject" of the joke is the same, it seems to me that the intentions behind it were completely different, and that's enough for me. But I get that everybody has different sensibility. By the way, the "egg" comment hit me really strong when I heard of it, I was really angry, I guess like you are now, so it's not that I'm insensitive to that kind of jokes in general. This one  in particular didn't bother me. And to me, from the TR, Amy didn't come across as arrogant, mean or clueless,  she was just defending herself, nothing more, in the promo we can see she tried to be as submissive as she could possibly be at the very beginning of the fight, I guess it escalated really quickly. Many of you have these concerns, I understand you, but I think we have just agree to disagree on that...

Edited February 1, 2016 by mirs1

[Stephen Hawking]

1 hour ago, Touche said:

So technically first Shamy kiss would be the tiara. 

I'd argue the tiara kiss, is actually an Amy kiss, since Sheldon didn't participate.

IMO, the first real Shamy kiss, was the one in The Locomotive Manipulation.

They both participated in that one, and boy did they participate.  

BTW. Regarding continuity, in The Dumpling Paradox, when Leonard suggests they should've gone dancing with penny and her friends, Sheldon says:-

Okay, assuming we could dance, which we can’t, there are three of us and two of them.

In The Agreement Dissection, it transpires that Sheldon is an accomplished dancer.

[April]

23 minutes ago, mirs1 said:

And to me, from the TR, Amy didn't come across as arrogant, mean or clueless,  she was just defending herself, nothing more, in the promo we can see she tried to be as submissive as she could possibly be at the very beginning of the fight, I guess it escalated really quickly. Many of you have these concerns, I understand you, but I think we have just agree to disagree on that...

That's what I got as well. I can't wait to finally see the episode to judge the whole thing in proper context but with the vibe I got from the promos so far I don't think my first impression from the very thorough TR we got will change all that much. I have no doubt that Amy genuinely wants to have a good relationship with Sheldon's Meemaw, but if Meemaw wants to fight then so be it! Bring on the Clash of the Titans, release the Kraken! I'll be cheering from the sidelines while munching some popcorn!

Also, the next TR can't come soon enough. I'm dying for something new to discuss!

[mirs1]

10 minutes ago, April said:

Also, the next TR can't come soon enough. I'm dying for something new to discuss!

Preaching to the choir, sister!!!

ETA: Anyway, I suspect the next one may be the first 100% Shamy-free episode this season...so maybe to have something new to discuss we may be obliged to wait until Thursday night,  The Meemaw episode airs...

Edited February 1, 2016 by mirs1

[jlove]

Two different sides of Meemaw.  Ack, check out the difference.  I need this episode to air, can't wait for Thursday!  And even more, can't wait for a new taping!!!

 

[kazzie]

1 minute ago, jlove said:

Two different sides of Meemaw.  Ack, check out the difference.  I need this episode to air, can't wait for Thursday!  And even more, can't wait for a new taping!!!

 

That was a fun night

[camelliayao]

Of course Shamy's first kiss is the 421 drunk kiss. Everything in the latter half of that episode was to prepare for that kiss. 

Bernie's "Sheldon and Amy sitting on the tree", Penny's "Sheldon have you kissed anyone before" question. They even let Sheldon say it himself that he had never kissed anyone before. (So apparently in his mind, that "kiss" with Beverly does not count)

Sheldon kind of reacted to that kiss. He closed his eyes and puckered his lips before her lips touched his. So other than Amy not remembering it (but Sheldon told her about it later), which I find extremely romantic, that is like the official definition of first kiss.

That reset was just a way to slow things down. And it didn't really work well, did it. Because not very long after that, he made her his girlfriend.:) 

Also in CBS's The Science of Love video which includes important moments of the Shamy relationship, CBS clearly counts the 421 kiss as their first kiss.

Edited February 1, 2016 by camelliayao

[Stephen Hawking]

6 minutes ago, camelliayao said:

And I'm sure Amy had never kissed anyone before that.

Actually, Amy had kissed someone before that.

From The Santa Simulation:-

Amy: It’s fine. I’m used to being the girl who never gets looked at twice. I didn’t have my first kiss till I was 22, and the guy only did it so I’d give him back his insulin.

Edited February 1, 2016 by Stephen Hawking

[camelliayao]

2 minutes ago, Stephen Hawking said:

Actually, Amy had kissed someone before that.

From The Santa Simulation:-

Amy: It’s fine. I’m used to being the girl who never gets looked at twice. I didn’t have my first kiss till I was 22, and the guy only did it so I’d give him back his insulin.

Yeah I realized that so I deleted that sentence.

[kimbee73]

Of course Shamy's first kiss is the 421 drunk kiss. Everything in the latter half of that episode was to prepare for that kiss. 

Bernie's "Sheldon and Amy sitting on the tree", Penny's "Sheldon have you kissed anyone before" question. They even let Sheldon say it himself that he had never kissed anyone before. (So apparently in his mind, that "kiss" with Beverly does not count)

Sheldon kind of reacted to that kiss. He closed his eyes and puckered his lips before her lips touched his. So other than Amy not remembering it (but Sheldon told her about it later), which I find extremely romantic, that is like the official definition of first kiss.

That reset was just a way to slow things down. And it didn't really work well, did it. Because not very long after that, he made her his girlfriend. 

Also in CBS's The Science of Love video which includes important moments of the Shamy relationship, CBS clearly counts the 421 kiss as their first kiss.

Well we know Amy had been kissed before since she says so in season 6(the Santa simulation). She took a guys insulin so he would kiss her. And Sheldon doesn't count the Beverly kiss and neither does Penny, who was there when it happened, although she was drunk. I think she remembered it the next day though as told in the car on the way back to airport.

In my opinion, the question was more along the lines have you ever kissed anyone you wanted to kiss? Even though that wasn't said, it was implied. And yes he did pucker his lips for it and close his eyes, although that may just be Jims acting since I have seen him do the same thing with some of the others as well, like when she pulled him back in in Earworm.

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Actually, Amy had kissed someone before that.

From The Santa Simulation:-

Amy: It’s fine. I’m used to being the girl who never gets looked at twice. I didn’t have my first kiss till I was 22, and the guy only did it so I’d give him back his insulin.

Yeah I realized that so I deleted that sentence.

I was typing when you deleted it.

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[camelliayao]

3 minutes ago, kimbee73 said:

And yes he did pucker his lips for it and close his eyes, although that may just be Jims acting since I have seen him do the same thing with some of the others as well, like when she pulled him back in in Earworm.

Yes, it's Jim's acting...Just like in 9x10, he chose to pucker his lips probably because he felt it was a better way to express Sheldon's feelings. So?

[kimbee73]

You are right that's what I meant. I obviously expressed it wrong.

it wasn't like that for Beverley's kiss.....I've watched it to see if it was reflex. My thought on this is Jim felt Sheldon wanted it from Amy and not Beverley. Nothing too huge there.

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[camelliayao]

2 minutes ago, kimbee73 said:

Yes, it's Jim's acting...Just like in 9x10, he chose to pucker his lips probably because he felt it was a better way to express Sheldon's feelings. So?

 

I'm just saying that it wasn't like that for Beverley's kiss.....I've watched it. My thought on this is Jim felt Sheldon wanted it from Amy and not Beverley. Nothing too huge there.

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Yeah...that's my point from the beginning. In 421, Sheldon wanted that kiss. With Beverley, he was just totally shocked.

And the quoting system of this forum...UGH!!!

[kimbee73]

Okay we seem to be on the same page. I guess I may have read it wrong originally. We said the same thing.

The quoting function does suck. I can do it fine from a computer but not my iPad.....ugh.

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[Carm6773]

52 minutes ago, camelliayao said:

Also in CBS's The Science of Love video which includes important moments of the Shamy relationship, CBS clearly counts the 421 kiss as their first kiss.

Just a few days ago, my TBBT Calendar (the page a day trivia one) said the first kiss was on the train.  I feel like emailing someone and correcting them!  421 was their first kiss!

28 minutes ago, camelliayao said:

Yeah...that's my point from the beginning. In 421, Sheldon wanted that kiss. With Beverley, he was just totally shocked.

Probably 'cause the kiss was so freakin' ROUGH!  I'm surprised no one came out of that scene with a chipped tooth!

[910]

1 hour ago, camelliayao said:

UGYeah...that's my point from the beginning. In 421, Sheldon wanted that kiss. With Beverley, he was just totally shocked.

And the quoting system of this forum...UGH!!!

Look in the end it doesn't matter which was first or if they kissed other people or not.  I like that the writers paid tribute to the drunk kiss in Opening Night (yes praise for the writers), as well as Flaming Spitoon in Earworm and HerbGarden when Amy says, "You shut your damn mouth" (Raj's Shut. Your. A$$)  

Maybe I am being too paranoid, but the fact that two different versions if the VDay episode were shot, one of indifference (Sheldon in the cafeteria having no plans and Amy annoyed at the present) or (Sheldon having plans in the cafeteria and Amy saying that's catchy) indicate even the writers have not fully committed to an arc.  

I am a Shamy supporter and I have concerns.   I know Amy is not trying to coddle Sheldon, but to the average viewer, Amy's Detroit and Moonpie white lies (and yes Sheldon calls them lies regardless of our view), fighting with MeeMaw, and uneasiness about Amy's dating behavior and supposed sex life during FWF mean the writers could still go either way, no matter how much the breakup helped Sheldon.  

All of Sheldon's efforts post reconciliation show someone really trying, even if they are as gifts or out of obligation.  If Amy doesn't acknowledge or reciprocate these efforts (is it Wednesday yet), another shoe could drop and this time it would not be nearly as out of the blue as last time.

Edited February 2, 2016 by Touche

[Esteben Feynman]

7 minutes ago, Touche said:

I am a Shamy supporter and I have concerns.   I know Amy is not trying to coddle Sheldon, but to the average viewer, Amy's Detroit and Moonpie white lies (and yes Sheldon calls them lies regardless of our view), fighting with MeeMaw, and uneasiness about Amy's dating behavior and supposed sex life during FWF mean the writers could still go either way, no matter how much the breakup helped Sheldon.  
 

I agree with you. Amy isn't trying to coddle Sheldon at all, she loves him but is standing up for herself more than before the break up. She is showing her independence, which is nice to see. As for what happened while they were split up, I am hoping that the writers go with the she didn't sleep with anyone progression because I do not think the character would run into a sexual relationship out of desperation. If the writers go the other direction, I will be extremely disappointed and I believe most other fans will be too.

[boys3allc]

13 minutes ago, ICanRelateToShamy said:

I agree with you. Amy isn't trying to coddle Sheldon at all, she loves him but is standing up for herself more than before the break up. She is showing her independence, which is nice to see. As for what happened while they were split up, I am hoping that the writers go with the she didn't sleep with anyone progression because I do not think the character would run into a sexual relationship out of desperation. If the writers go the other direction, I will be extremely disappointed and I believe most other fans will be too.

Am I missing something ya'll??? It has been clearly stated that she did not sleepnwith anyone during the break. 

[Stephen Hawking]

21 minutes ago, ICanRelateToShamy said:

As for what happened while they were split up, I am hoping that the writers go with the she didn't sleep with anyone progression because I do not think the character would run into a sexual relationship out of desperation.

I think it's pretty clear, by how terrified she was, just before she and Sheldon had sex, that Amy was still a virgin.

If she'd already lost her virginity, she wouldn't have been so frightened.

Also, I don't think she could've resisted the temptation, to tell Penny and/or Bernadette.

ETA: I think, if she had slept with someone, while they were broken up, she'd have told him, when he asked her, on the way to the aquarium.

She could tell how important the question he asked her was to him, and she would know the consequences to their relationship, if he later found out she'd lied to him about it.

Edited February 2, 2016 by Stephen Hawking

[Esteben Feynman]

10 minutes ago, boys3allc said:

Am I missing something ya'll??? It has been clearly stated that she did not sleep with anyone during the break. 

No, I don't think you missed anything, it seems like some people think that she was lying about that because of her recent lies. i.e. Moonpie, Staying in Detroit, etc...

Mr. Hawking quote:

I think it's pretty clear, by how terrified she was, just before she and Sheldon had sex, that Amy was still a virgin.

If she'd already lost her virginity, she wouldn't have been so frightened.

Also, I don't think she could've resisted the temptation, to tell Penny and/or Bernadette.

I didn't think about her telling of the girls. That is a fair point. I remember when Penny told Sheldon about them kissing on the train and Penny said something like, "Of course she told me, it's the most interesting thing that has ever happened to her."

Edited February 2, 2016 by Esteben Feynman
Didn't quote another member.

[camelliayao]

1 hour ago, Touche said:

Look in the end it doesn't matter which was first or if they kissed other people or not.  I like that the writers paid tribute to the drunk kiss in Opening Night (yes praise for the writers), as well as Flaming Spitoon in Earworm and Her Garden when Amy says, "You shut your damn mouth."  

Maybe I am being too paranoid, but the fact that two different versions if the VDay episode were shot, one of indifference (Sheldon in the cafeteria having no plans and Amy annoyed at the present) or (Sheldon having plans in the cafeteria and Amy saying that's catchy) indicate even the writers have not fully committed to an arc.  

I am a Shamy supporter and I have concerns.   I know Amy is not trying to coddle Sheldon, but to the average viewer, Amy's Detroit and Moonpie white lies (and yes Sheldon calls them lies regardless of our view), fighting with MeeMaw, and uneasiness about Amy's dating behavior and supposed sex life during FWF mean the writers could still go either way, no matter how much the breakup helped Sheldon.  

All of Sheldon's efforts post reconciliation show someone really trying, even if they are as gifts or out of obligation.  If Amy doesn't acknowledge or reciprocate these efforts (is it Wednesday yet), another shoe could drop and this time it would not be nearly as out of the blue as last time.

All I wanted to say is that the 421 kiss was their first kiss...Or at least the writers believes so.

The different versions of the VDay...Eh maybe I remembered wrong, but Sheldon only had one plan for VDay in the cafeteria, and that was to do a live FWFs. And I wouldn't worry about Amy's reaction in this scene too much, because it was clearly a joke, and a FUNNY one.  Also it was understandable for Amy to get disappointed because Sheldon told her he added her name, any normal person would assume the title to be "Sheldon Cooper and Amy Farrah Fowler's fun with flags". It wasn't like she's annoyed or something. And to be honest Sheldon was not all nice and cute in that episode. So I'd say that was just Shamy being Shamy.

And yeah I don't like the writers bringing up the topic of break up again either, especially Amy's dating. (And I was all excited about Kripke because I like him, but it turned out he was only there to be creepy and to make Amy look bad ugh!) But I have to say that scene was funny.

As for the next few episodes, my guess is 916 Shamy will do things separately. 917 may be group activities.

I really don't think the writers would create any more big dramas between them. Remember what the show does best? To create problems without resolving them. So to the writers, in 914 and 915, problems were created. And now it's time to move on (I don't know if I should be happy or upset at this lol).

 

Edited February 2, 2016 by camelliayao

[boys3allc]

17 minutes ago, Esteben Feynman said:

No, I don't think you missed anything, it seems like some people think that she was lying about that because of her recent lies. i.e. Moonpie, Staying in Detroit, etc...

Mr. Hawking quote:

I think it's pretty clear, by how terrified she was, just before she and Sheldon had sex, that Amy was still a virgin.

If she'd already lost her virginity, she wouldn't have been so frightened.

Also, I don't think she could've resisted the temptation, to tell Penny and/or Bernadette.

I didn't think about her telling of the girls. That is a fair point. I remember when Penny told Sheldon about them kissing on the train and Penny said something like, "Of course she told me, it's the most interesting thing that has ever happened to her."

What Moonpie lie??? He never told her... Penny only knew due to snooping. I mean I have been married to my husband ten years and he just found out that my family called me Moo until I was 18.

As far as staying in Detroit ... That is completly different than lying about your virginity. Because the writers needed Amy away for her back and Sheldons growth. Could they of handled it better meh? Probaly? But it is what they choose to do. Just like the choice to keep Amy a virgin... Sheesh peeps... This TR needs to come because ya'll are reaching for new things to bitch about

Edited February 2, 2016 by boys3allc