Ship Zone [Spoilers] Shamy: Season 9

[Kathy2611]

I know I'm going to ruffle a few feathers but at this point, I really don't give a shit.  Hang on to your hats cuz here it comes....

Some of you guys need to get a fucking grip and stop being so damn paranoid!!!  Amy was still a virgin when she slept with Sheldon.  The writers made it a point in several instances to state this!  They are not going to be able to back track on that vital piece of information and have even the casualist of viewers be ok with it.  

It's also been pointed out on several occasions that Amy isn't a very good lier herself because she's quickly caught doing so.

46 minutes ago, Touche said:

 

Maybe I am being too paranoid, but the fact that two different versions if the VDay episode were shot, one of indifference (Sheldon in the cafeteria having no plans and Amy annoyed at the present) or (Sheldon having plans in the cafeteria and Amy saying that's catchy) indicate even the writers have not fully committed to an arc.  

I am a Shamy supporter and I have concerns.   I know Amy is not trying to coddle Sheldon, but to the average viewer, Amy's Detroit and Moonpie white lies (and yes Sheldon calls them lies regardless of our view), fighting with MeeMaw, and uneasiness about Amy's dating behavior and supposed sex life during FWF mean the writers could still go either way, no matter how much the breakup helped Sheldon.  

 

How the hell do you know??  We haven't even seen the episodes yet!!  A lot of things can play out differently on screen than what we read from someone else's point of view.

[Stephen Hawking]

3 minutes ago, Kathy2611 said:

It's also been pointed out on several occasions that Amy isn't a very good liar herself because she's quickly caught doing so.

True.

From The Weekend Vortex:-

Penny: Who’s Armin the miniature horse breeder?

Amy: The pretend boyfriend I invented to get my family off my back. It unravelled quickly when I couldn’t answer the question how’d you two meet?

Penny: I would have thought at a miniature horse show.

Amy: Oh, that’s good.

Penny: Mm.

Amy: I panicked and said Woodstock. 

And:-

Amy: And if you don’t start treating me better, I’m leaving you for a miniature horse breeder named Armin.

Sheldon: Armin who?

Amy: Armin… damn it.

[nothereanymore]

1 hour ago, Stephen Hawking said:

True.

From The Weekend Vortex:-

Penny: Who’s Armin the miniature horse breeder?

Amy: The pretend boyfriend I invented to get my family off my back. It unravelled quickly when I couldn’t answer the question how’d you two meet?

Penny: I would have thought at a miniature horse show.

Amy: Oh, that’s good.

Penny: Mm.

Amy: I panicked and said Woodstock. 

And:-

Amy: And if you don’t start treating me better, I’m leaving you for a miniature horse breeder named Armin.

Sheldon: Armin who?

Amy: Armin… damn it.

Hammer. Come on, Amy. His last name has to be Hammer.

Also, I mistakenly thought they were saying seeking comfort after the reunion while still dating (and waiting that year for her birthday again), and I would hope they don't mirror Lenny to that extent. But no, surely not. Just let them be happy dorks in love (and maybe give Amy a maternal figure who loves her unconditionally please and thank you, show).

(Not to stir up stuff, but it was just a thought since every now and then they have the couples repeat trends/plots/points/happenings. I don't actually think it'll happen--nor would it make sense with the characterization Amy has now.)

Edited February 2, 2016 by CuriousMeans

[FortCozyMcBlanket]

1 hour ago, Stephen Hawking said:

True.

From The Weekend Vortex:-

Penny: Who’s Armin the miniature horse breeder?

Amy: The pretend boyfriend I invented to get my family off my back. It unravelled quickly when I couldn’t answer the question how’d you two meet?

Penny: I would have thought at a miniature horse show.

Amy: Oh, that’s good.

Penny: Mm.

Amy: I panicked and said Woodstock. 

And:-

Amy: And if you don’t start treating me better, I’m leaving you for a miniature horse breeder named Armin.

Sheldon: Armin who?

Amy: Armin… damn it.

this is one of my favorite early Amy scenes... aside from Sheldon seeming genuinely concerned for a split second which is adorable,  Amy's defeated shrug body language and the way she says "Armin-- damnit!" is so funny... mayim delivered that line so well 

3 hours ago, camelliayao said:

Of course Shamy's first kiss is the 421 drunk kiss. Everything in the latter half of that episode was to prepare for that kiss. 

Bernie's "Sheldon and Amy sitting on the tree", Penny's "Sheldon have you kissed anyone before" question. They even let Sheldon say it himself that he had never kissed anyone before. (So apparently in his mind, that "kiss" with Beverly does not count)

Sheldon kind of reacted to that kiss. He closed his eyes and puckered his lips before her lips touched his. So other than Amy not remembering it (but Sheldon told her about it later), which I find extremely romantic, that is like the official definition of first kiss.

That reset was just a way to slow things down. And it didn't really work well, did it. Because not very long after that, he made her his girlfriend.:) 

Also in CBS's The Science of Love video which includes important moments of the Shamy relationship, CBS clearly counts the 421 kiss as their first kiss.

the thing I love about this kiss is that Amy didn't remember what happened... Sheldon could have easily omitted the kiss from his "what happened last night?" story, but he did tell her "you kissed me".... almost like he was proud of it  

[kimbee73]

No, I don't think you missed anything, it seems like some people think that she was lying about that because of her recent lies. i.e. Moonpie, Staying in Detroit, etc...

Mr. Hawking quote:

I think it's pretty clear, by how terrified she was, just before she and Sheldon had sex, that Amy was still a virgin.

If she'd already lost her virginity, she wouldn't have been so frightened.

Also, I don't think she could've resisted the temptation, to tell Penny and/or Bernadette.

I didn't think about her telling of the girls. That is a fair point. I remember when Penny told Sheldon about them kissing on the train and Penny said something like, "Of course she told me, it's the most interesting thing that has ever happened to her."

What Moonpie lie??? He never told her... Penny only knew due to snooping. I mean I have been married to my husband ten years and he just found out that my family called me Moo until I was 18.

As far as staying in Detroit ... That is completly different than lying about your virginity. Because the writers needed Amy away for her back and Sheldons growth. Could they of handled it better meh? Probaly? But it is what they choose to do. Just like the choice to keep Amy a virgin... Sheesh peeps... This TR needs to come because ya'll are reaching for new things to bitch about:scratchhead:

When I saw this argument before about Amy not knowing moon pie I thought the only reason Penny knew was because she found the letters then refused to get his flash drive until he told her why she called him that. Leonard was sitting across from him on the train. The only other person I know that knows he is called that is Wil Wheaton. My uncle has nicknames for everyone and I don't think my husband knew he called me and my sister rugrats for years.

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[jlove]

5 hours ago, Stephen Hawking said:

I'd argue the tiara kiss, is actually an Amy kiss, since Sheldon didn't participate.

IMO, the first real Shamy kiss, was the one in The Locomotive Manipulation.

They both participated in that one, and boy did they participate.  

BTW. Regarding continuity, in The Dumpling Paradox, when Leonard suggests they should've gone dancing with penny and her friends, Sheldon says:-

Okay, assuming we could dance, which we can’t, there are three of us and two of them.

In The Agreement Dissection, it transpires that Sheldon is an accomplished dancer.

I always assumed they meant club-style dancing to current music, at which I'm sure Sheldon is neither accomplished not comfortable.  More ballroom-style dancing like he did on girls' night with Any would be quite different.  And/or he never had any intention of admitting his dancing prowess to the men (and was definitely not willingly to offer to do so that night!), but when provoked by Bernadette's assumption he would look "like a spider on a hot plate" he stuck up for himself (not knowing his skills would actually be immediately pressed into service.)

4 hours ago, April said:

Also, the next TR can't come soon enough. I'm dying for something new to discuss!

Oh good grief yes, it's getting desperate!!! 

4 hours ago, kazzie said:

That was a fun night

The best!

Edited February 2, 2016 by jlove

[2L344]

The Raiders Minimization is showing right now where i live. I forgot how excited Sheldon was at the beginning of the episode when he thanked Amy "the dowey eyed moon calf"  for watching Raiders with him. And her remark that watching the movie wasnt what she had in mind when he told her she was gonna lose her virginity at his apartment, and his response to that by saying he chose his words wrong and shouldve told Amy she was gonna have her world rocked on his couch--classic!!

[jlove]

I think the Moonpie lie people are referring to is that after Gorgon!Meemaw made her snide little comment Amy tried to play it off by saying "Oh yeah, I guess I do remember that..."

[2L344]

With the talk of the "moonpie" crack here, I am reminded that I hope Shamy comes up with nicknames pretty quick- i cant remember the last time i called my wife by her name, imho it just sounds odd for couples in long term relationships to call each other regularly by their names. Everytime Sheldon and Amy skype or greet each other its always with a "hello Sheldon" or "hello Amy"....blah

[vonmar]

I've always loved when they call each other by their titles...Dr. Cooper...Dr. Fowler.

[2L344]

3 minutes ago, vonmar said:

I've always loved when they call each other by their titles...Dr. Cooper...Dr. Fowler.

yes those moments, though few and far between, are cute i agree. but i always thought of those moments as a kind of nod and "wink wink" to each other as admiration for their mutual intellect and status. 

Edited February 2, 2016 by 2L344

[EvilStewie]

Nicknames, that is a good subject....

I kinda like Gollum now, at first I thought it was harsh, but now after all this ring business, I get it! Hope that comes back into play actually, be sweet

 

[2L344]

3 minutes ago, EvilStewie said:

Nicknames, that is a good subject....

I kinda like Gollum now, at first I thought it was harsh, but now after all this ring business, I get it! Hope that comes back into play actually, be sweet

 

but Gollum? lol funny, but no eww

[EvilStewie]

21 hours ago, 2L344 said:

but Gollum? lol funny, but no eww

 

She doesn't have to go along with it, but the meaning of being a "Ring Keeper/bearer". It be nice to see her figure out what he was actually saying.. Maybe realize he had been thinking about it all that time... It kind of give her a reason to not harp on him about it, none of us really want that. 

Edited February 3, 2016 by EvilStewie

[Radar]

47 minutes ago, 2L344 said:

but Gollum? lol funny, but no eww

Gollum? No, but what about: My precious!

[jlove]

1 hour ago, 2L344 said:

yes those moments, though few and far between, are cute i agree. but i always thought of those moments as a kind of nod and "wink wink" to each other as admiration for their mutual intellect and status. 

Yep, but for them that's like saying "Hello, sexy!"

[mirs1]

16 hours ago, Touche said:

Maybe I am being too paranoid, but the fact that two different versions if the VDay episode were shot, one of indifference (Sheldon in the cafeteria having no plans and Amy annoyed at the present) or (Sheldon having plans in the cafeteria and Amy saying that's catchy) indicate even the writers have not fully committed to an arc.  

The two versions of the cafeteria scene do not refer to Sheldon's plans for VD. Howard explains that his own plans involve using his brand new hot tub and says Sheldon "Do you know what I mean?" (referring to sex). In the first version of the scene Sheldon answers "Yes" and then turns to Raj changing the subject; in the other one he says "No idea" and then turns to Raj. Personally, I hope they will choose the first one, it would be funny if Sheldon could catch sexual references, once in a while, but since they reshot the scene, I suspect they will go with the second one, and with the old joke about Sheldon being clueless.

As for his VD inexistent plans, he says something like that, indeed...When Amy and Sheldon begin their podcast, Amy says that it is a VD present Sheldon is giving  his affectionate audience, and Sheldon replies that it is also a VD present for her, since he hasn't anything else planned for the evening. That really sounds like Sheldon to me, the guy has always hated VD, no wonder he tries to avoid classical romance as much as he can. It's just so telling that he has come up with an idea that allows him to enjoy the evening and as well Amy to celebrate it. He is trying, of course, but it would be unbelievable if he all in a sudden becomes all sweet and tender. And the "Dr. S.C. and Dr. A.F.F. present "Sheldon Cooper's FwF" it's also so him, he is willing to share anything with Amy but the merit of having created it. Amy reaction is also "classic" Amy. I agree that the version "It's catchy" it's a little funnier than the other they shot, but anyway I think she will say the line in a sarcastic tone, so the gist of it is more or less the same, they are Shamy 2.0 but of course they are the same people they were before, so some things will never change, thanks goodness, for me! 

Edited February 2, 2016 by mirs1

[wowbagger]

Incidentally, the 'VD' shorthand for 'Valentine's Day' combined with 'VD present' and 'giving [Amy] for VD' make me cackle, because 'VD' stands for something rather different where I am....

[Einstein Von Brainstorm]

10 hours ago, camelliayao said:

Of course Shamy's first kiss is the 421 drunk kiss. Everything in the latter half of that episode was to prepare for that kiss. 

Bernie's "Sheldon and Amy sitting on the tree", Penny's "Sheldon have you kissed anyone before" question. They even let Sheldon say it himself that he had never kissed anyone before. (So apparently in his mind, that "kiss" with Beverly does not count)

Sheldon kind of reacted to that kiss. He closed his eyes and puckered his lips before her lips touched his. So other than Amy not remembering it (but Sheldon told her about it later), which I find extremely romantic, that is like the official definition of first kiss.

That reset was just a way to slow things down. And it didn't really work well, did it. Because not very long after that, he made her his girlfriend.:) 

Also in CBS's The Science of Love video which includes important moments of the Shamy relationship, CBS clearly counts the 421 kiss as their first kiss.

AND Sheldon puckered up for it! *happy sigh*  

 

Anyway... 

Hey guys I haven't been in here in a  while, how is every...

*sees periods discussion*

Edited February 2, 2016 by Einstein Von Brainstorm

[Stephen Hawking]

8 hours ago, CuriousMeans said:

Hammer. Come on, Amy. His last name has to be Hammer

Good one.  

8 hours ago, FortCozyMcBlanket said:

but he did tell her "you kissed me".... almost like he was proud of it   

I think he enjoyed it, far more than he was willing to admit.

He certainly enjoyed it, in my AU fanfic, based on the same event.

8 hours ago, FortCozyMcBlanket said:

this is one of my favorite early Amy scenes.

I love the whole episode, and in particular the drinking  game, with Amy bouncing quarters into the glass.  

7 hours ago, vonmar said:

I've always loved when they call each other by their titles...Dr. Cooper...Dr. Fowler.

It's funny to think that, when Jim say it, he's addressing Mayim correctly.  

Edited February 2, 2016 by Stephen Hawking

[Stephen Hawking]

2 hours ago, wowbagger said:

because 'VD' stands for something rather different where I am....

Same here.

Mind you, it is pretty catchy.  

[Einstein Von Brainstorm]

10 hours ago, CuriousMeans said:

Hammer. Come on, Amy. His last name has to be Hammer.

Also, I mistakenly thought they were saying seeking comfort after the reunion while still dating (and waiting that year for her birthday again), and I would hope they don't mirror Lenny to that extent. But no, surely not. Just let them be happy dorks in love (and maybe give Amy a maternal figure who loves her unconditionally please and thank you, show).

(Not to stir up stuff, but it was just a thought since every now and then they have the couples repeat trends/plots/points/happenings. I don't actually think it'll happen--nor would it make sense with the characterization Amy has now.)

Off topic but, I just found out that this guy:

Armie Hammer, the actor is part of the family that own Arm & Hammer and that is just hilarious to me for some reason!  

[mphs95]

Incidentally, the 'VD' shorthand for 'Valentine's Day' combined with 'VD present' and 'giving [Amy] for VD' make me cackle, because 'VD' stands for something rather different where I am....

I cracked up laughing when I saw it, too.

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[amethyst]

If Sheldon doesn't call Amy " little lady " at least once this season I'll be very disappointed!! 

[nothereanymore]

This just happened in regards to people suggesting a person freeze their eggs because their younger brother is getting married before them:

Quote

“What an odd thing to say” is another way to clue someone in to the fact that they’ve just stepped in it without resorting to rudeness, but you also have my permission to start re-enacting the “Carrousel” scene from Logan’s Run the next time someone tries to talk to you about freezing your eggs (!).

This is the scene in question. I can't help but laugh at the idea of what if Amy did this? Just casually reenacting old science fiction movies in response to nosy questions. Perhaps Sheldon would appreciate the throwback. 

Edited February 2, 2016 by CuriousMeans