Ship Zone [Spoilers] Shamy: Season 9

[Desdemona]

Imagine Leonard has moved out and Shamy have come together again currently and Sheldon has asked Amy to spent the night at his apartment, because he doesn´t want to be separated from her any minute, so she agrees to stay. On the next morning Leonard´s comes into the apartment, to see how his buddy feels, because he doesn´t know that they are together yet and sees Amy wearing one of Sheldon´s super hero shirts, making breakfast, when Sheldon comes in, wearing his pyjama, greets Leonard like nothing happened and gives Amy a passionate kiss on the mouth (tongue included).

Or Amy wears the upper part of one of Sheldon´s pyjama, while Sheldon wears the lower part of his pyjama and a white shirt. (This would be even more sweet).

Leonard races out of the apartment and comes back with Penny, so they both stare completely stunned at Shamy and Penny mumbles: "We are in some kind of parallel universe, aren´t we?"

Edited August 22, 2015 by Desdemona

[Juni]

I´m sorry, that my answer is coming so late, but I was on a concert. Maybe I got Amy´s expectations for the future wrong, but when they first met, Sheldon mentioned to the gang that Amy had told him, that they should make a baby to generate a future, but benevolent Ruler for the mankind". Because of this, I thought, that a Baby was always on Amy´s mind, so everytime she tossed the Baby theme at Sheldon, I thought it was because it was on her mind. Plus, she seemed really hurt, when Sheldon said "We aren´t getting younger and your eggs are expiring" (I think this were his words more or less). This made me think, that she was hurt, because this is her fear, that her time to get kids, is expiring, before she get the chance, to try to make some. But this is just my opinion and everyone has its own opinion about that and that is good. I just wanted to make my point clear to explain myself, even if it´s difficult to express myself sometimes.  But now enough of that.

I love your Gif of this little marmot, it made laugh so much, I could watch it over and over again, without stop laughing!

But now, back to topic. I can´t wait to see 9.01 to see if there´s a hidden scene with Sheldon and his mother, I would scream hysterically, if this happened!

Thank you for the information guys, it really made my day and assures me that things are leading to something good.

I´m sure Shamy´s reunion will be another milestone, if not the biggest one, because I have the feeling, that they will be grown up even more and that this break up, will melt them together even more. And that it will be a passionate reunion.

I´m so excited for the premiere! *Fingers and toes crossed*

First of all I wanna say, that you're probably right with your assumption that Amy's thinking about children. I guess once your over 30, the pressure increases on many women. What Koops is trying to say is, that she never really talked about this to Sheldon or pressured him about this. Therefore I, like Koops, believe that this is not the issue here. I'm sure it's on her list somewhere but right now she's probably just trying to get the basics right.

Regarding the bold comment, I think this line would be hurtful to any woman, whether she wants children or not. It's seems to be suggesting that she depending on him to reproduce implying she might not find another man in time. I wouldn't like that either.. I can also imagine her thinking: "...and who's fault is this? Who's been moving this slow?" He's practically turning it around on her. But I'm just guessing here...

 

If you liked the gif, watch it on YT with sound. It's even better   It's also my all time favorite!

Edited August 22, 2015 by Juni

[A Shamy gal]

Imagine Leonard has moved out and Shamy have come together again currently and Sheldon has asked Amy to spent the night at his apartment, because he doesn´t want to be separated from her any minute, so she agrees to stay. On the next morning Leonard´s comes into the apartment, to see how his buddy feels, because he doesn´t know that they are together yet and sees Amy wearing one of Sheldon´s super hero shirts, making breakfast, when Sheldon comes in, wearing his pyjama, greets Leonard like nothing happened and gives Amy a passionate kiss on the mouth (tongue included).

Or Amy wears the upper part of one of Sheldon´s pyjama, while Sheldon wears the lower part of his pyjama and a white shirt. (This would be even more sweet).

Leonard races out of the apartment and comes back with Penny, so they both stare completely stunned at Shamy and Penny mumbles: "We are in some kind of parallel universe, aren´t we?"

I so want to see Amy wearing his pyjama top and Sheldon the bottoms and white t-shirt.... or just the bottoms...  

[Juni]

I so want to see Amy wearing his pyjama top and Sheldon the bottoms and white t-shirt.... or just the bottoms...  

I'd like to see them not wearing anything at all...

[Desdemona]

First of all I wanna say, that you're probably right with your assumption that Amy's thinking about children. I guess once your over 30, the pressure increases on many women. What Koops is trying to say is, that she never really talked about this to Sheldon or pressured him about this. Therefore I, like Koops, believe that this is not the issue here. I'm sure it's on her list somewhere but right now she's probably just trying to get the basics right.

Regarding the bold comment, I think this line would be hurtful to any woman, whether she wants children or not. It's seems to be suggesting that she depending on him to reproduce implying she might not find another man in time. I wouldn't like that either.. I can also imagine her thinking: "...and who's fault is this? Who's been moving this slow?" He's practically turning it around on her. But I'm just guessing here...

 

If you liked the gif, watch it on YT with sound. It's even better   It's also my all time favorite!

Thank you so much for the information Juni! You are right, it would be hurtful for every woman. And of course it´s not the main topic on Amy´s list of issues, but surely one of them as you said. I´m so hoping that they get the chance to talk honestly about their issues, like they did on Prom Night. It was a great step forward for Sheldon, to admit to Amy that her appearance doesn´t leave him unaffected. I think this is really important for Amy´s self-confidence, to know that she´s attractive. ( I still want to facepalm Bernadette for her comment she once made about that no one is interested in seeing Amy´s attractive side, even if she said in anger. I don´t remember the exact words, but it was episode 8x07).

[koops]

About Mary and Chiany's worry. To be honest, I personally don't mind either scenario. What bugs me about the transition from ep1 to ep2 is the lack of explanation for how Sheldon goes from depressed, woman-hating mood to pulling out all the (crazy) stops to try and win her back. Anything that can help explain that transition is very much welcome for me. I think, however, that it's more likely that Sheldon gets the wrong idea from his mother's words than Mary actually telling him he should pester her every 20 minutes to win her back. Mary has always been portrayed as very skilled in how to handle people/Sheldon/Amy, I would be surprised if she suddenly turned around and thought that telling her son to stalk his girlfriend is a good idea to patch things up. It might be that Sheldon is going on a rant like he did to Leonard and Mary tells him something about how she knows he doesn't really mean it, that Amy does love him and that she's just going through a rough time now but it doesn't mean all is lost. And then Sheldon takes that and runs with it. 

As for Amy and children. I was never under the impression that Amy's impatience with Sheldon's pace had anything to do with her feeling like she's not getting any younger and wanting a husband and children. And the biological clock thing is such a cliche' motivation when it comes to women in fiction, that I am glad the writers haven't gone there (yet). That was one thing I was pleasantly surprised about the premiere, when those lines came from Sheldon instead. I'm sure she would be happy having children with him, she has tossed the idea of starting a family with him in conversation a couple of times before, but no more than Sheldon has by this stage, really. I think it's something she would like to have with him, probably, but not a fundamental issue in the conversation. Whenever we have seen her frustrated with him I never got the impression it was a matter of pace as in "I'm not getting any younger and I want a family" but rather as in "We have been together for so many years and I still don't know whether I'm a priority for you and what you want". That's what I liked about her lines in Colonization. When Sheldon asks her what exactly he should do to make her happy ("Do you want me to withdraw my application?"), she says that's not the point. That she doesn't demand anything specific, she just wants them to plan a future *together*. What I love about that Amy, and about the Amy in Prom, was that it was an Amy that expressed how being with Sheldon was the most important thing for her, not the details of how that looks like. That what is important to her is that they are in this together and work out a future that works for them both, rather than having a checklist of things in mind that she wants him to commit to. I don't think the Amy in the finale or these first two episode clashes with that idea at all, and I hope that they're not going to resort to making her into Raj, because that was not the way her character was designed. 

I think she's not offended by Sheldon's line because it hits too close to home, I think she's offended by it because he's totally missing the point and is doing so in a not so graceful way. I think, again, they're miscommunicating greatly. Sheldon's insistence about them not getting any younger and procreating is because we know that was part of his plans. But the way he's bringing it up, combined with the fact Amy doesn't know about the ring etc, makes her think that he's just saying to her "If you get back with me you can have the kids you want to have because you're not getting any younger". And she's getting frustrated because she didn't break up with him because of that. Heck, she didn't even want to break up with him until he pushed her over the edge. And, perhaps more importantly, she doesn't want to get back with him just so she can use him as a tool to fulfil her desire for children. That is not the point to her and it never was. 

[Juni]

Thank you so much for the information Juni! You are right, it would be hurtful for every woman. And of course it´s not the main topic on Amy´s list of issues, but surely one of them as you said. I´m so hoping that they get the chance to talk honestly about their issues, like they did on Prom Night. It was a great step forward for Sheldon, to admit to Amy that her appearance doesn´t leave him unaffected. I think this is really important for Amy´s self-confidence, to know that she´s attractive. ( I still want to facepalm Bernadette for her comment she once made about that no one is interested in seeing Amy´s attractive side, even if she said in anger. I don´t remember the exact words, but it was episode 8x07).

I think we're basically on the same page here. I hope so too (bold part). And I didn't see that one coming..not by a long shot. I really love Sheldon in those moments, just hope we'll get to see more of them in the future.

Oh, I remember (italics part)! Bernadette says: "I think you don't like people expressing their sexuality 'cause noone wants you to express yours." Pretty uncalled for..

Edited August 22, 2015 by Juni

[Desdemona]

I can see where you might get that idea about Amy wanting babies, however when Sheldon said about them making a baby to became a benevolent Ruler for Mankind, he was talking about a test tube baby that would be carried by a surrogate - he even asked Penny if she would be willing to rent out her womb to them.  Don't forget, Sheldon and Amy weren't even officially dating when he told the gang about this plan.  So I don't think it was a case that Amy always had that on her mind, especially at that time.  It's only something that she is thinking about now and that's probably more to do with the whole package thing - marriage, kids, growing out together etc. 

I also wouldn't be surprised if her mother isn't hints about her having kids, something along the lines of 'you've been with this guy five years now, when are you going to give me grandchildren.'

I wouldn´t be surprised neither, if Amy´s mother is still trying to intervene in her life, because it was her who pressured Amy to have a date once a year at least.

But I´m not sure, if her influence was for good or bad, it would depend whether she likes Sheldon or not. It wasn´t really clear on their first encounter. First she seemed to be happy about Sheldon, but when Sheldon started to talk about sex (This skype conversation still makes me laugh so much!), she was shocked.

Edited August 22, 2015 by Desdemona

[Chiany]

Thats what i meant Koops, that Mary says to fight for her and he does that in a Sheldon way, aka going overboard.

[Juni]

Thats what i meant Koops, that Mary says to fight for her and he does that in a Sheldon way, aka going overboard.

Yes, Mary might only have suggested for Sheldon to tell Amy how he feels. In a way he does that..he just doesn't know how to do it right.

[April]

Chiany, I can't see Sheldon being all reasonable about respecting Amy's wishes when he talks to this mother. I think he'll probably still ramble on about how women are the worst and then she'll try to set his head straight - and yeah, this is where he gets it a bit wrong and goes overboard. Or at least that's how I'd imagine it.

Edited August 22, 2015 by April

[Desdemona]

I think we're basically on the same page here. I hope so too (bold part). And I didn't see that one coming..not by a long shot. I really love Sheldon in those moments, just hope we'll get to see more of them in the future.

Oh, I remember (italics part)! Bernadette says: "I think you don't like people expressing their sexuality 'cause noone wants you to express yours." Pretty uncalled for..

I think so too.

I love him too, when he´s acting like this, shy but with a deeper voice and this serious tone, like underlining the meaning of his words. It thrills me everytime. Like his "anyway", in episode 8.24 when he leaned in to continue his kiss with Amy.

[A Shamy gal]

I wouldn´t be surprised neither, if Amy´s mother is still trying to intervene in her life, because it was her who pressured Amy to have a date once a year at least.

But I´m not sure, if her influence was for good or bad, it would depend whether she likes Sheldon or not.

Hard to say whether she likes him or not.  If they've only ever that one interaction on Skype, I would have to say that she doesn't probably have a very good impression of him.  Anyway, regardless of whether she likes him or not, after five years together she has probably accepted that this is the guy her daughter wants and is wondering when they're going to settle down. 

As anyone consider that possibility that what is up with Amy is her mother pressurizing  her to get married and have kids, while at the same time Amy is trying not to do that Sheldon because she wants him to come to that decision himself.   Kind of like being stuck between the rock and the hard place.

[koops]

Thats what i meant Koops, that Mary says to fight for her and he does that in a Sheldon way, aka going overboard.

I would even be surprised if Mary said to him that he should fight for her. That doesn't strike me as words that would come out of her mouth (except in bad fanfic!). Maybe Sheldon tells her that Penny said Amy thinks he's a bad boyfriend, and Mary explains to him why she doesn't really think that. She might point out things she has observed about them/Amy (because, again, we might not have seen them together on screen, but in 5 years I doubt they've only met or spoken once) to make Sheldon feel better about the fact that she does love him and that's where this whole "she wants me" cockiness is suddenly coming from. What I don't think will happen is that Sheldon is resigned to respect Amy's wishes and Mary tells him not to give up and to try and win her back. Or at least I would be surprised if she did.

[A Shamy gal]

I think Mary will say she'll pray to the Lord to help Sheldon through this difficult time and that Amy will come eventually come back to him.  And Sheldon being Sheldon will probably think that he's not going to leave it to a deity he doesn't believe in and starts his campaign to get her back.... and of course gets it wrong.

[April]

As anyone consider that possibility that what is up with Amy is her mother pressurizing  her to get married and have kids, while at the same time Amy is trying not to do that Sheldon because she wants him to come to that decision himself.   Kind of like being stuck between the rock and the hard place.

How much do we know about Amy's mother and their relationship anyway? I remember the awkward skype call and them having the deal with the yearly date. But fandom seems to have this weirdly specific idea of an overbearing mother who's pressuring Amy at all times. How much of that is actually canon? Did I forget an important scene with/about her??

[Desdemona]

Hard to say whether she likes him or not.  If they've only ever that one interaction on Skype, I would have to say that she doesn't probably have a very good impression of him.  Anyway, regardless of whether she likes him or not, after five years together she has probably accepted that this is the guy her daughter wants and is wondering when they're going to settle down. 

As anyone consider that possibility that what is up with Amy is her mother pressurizing  her to get married and have kids, while at the same time Amy is trying not to do that Sheldon because she wants him to come to that decision himself.   Kind of like being stuck between the rock and the hard place.

This theory of you, that Amy could be stuck between her mother pressuring her and that Amy doesn´t want to push Sheldon into something he doesn´t want himself is interesting. I we only could get a view into Amy´s mind.

[A Shamy gal]

How much do we know about Amy's mother and their relationship anyway? I remember the awkward skype call and them having the deal with the yearly date. But fandom seems to have this weirdly specific idea of an overbearing mother who's pressuring Amy at all times. How much of that is actually canon? Did I forget an important scene with/about her??

Amy's relationship with her mother is difficult for me to pinpoint.  On one hand there's this yearly date agreement they had, which seems to me she does want her daughter to have a boyfriend etc, then on the other hand there's the things like the way good girls eat bananas. 

[Desdemona]

How much do we know about Amy's mother and their relationship anyway? I remember the awkward skype call and them having the deal with the yearly date. But fandom seems to have this weirdly specific idea of an overbearing mother who's pressuring Amy at all times. How much of that is actually canon? Did I forget an important scene with/about her??

It´s just a theory, we don´t know nothing about Amy´s mother. The same goes for Sheldon´s conversation with his mom. We don´t know, if she advised him to fight for Amy or if Sheldon misunderstood her, we are all just looking for answers to endure until the premiere airs on screen and as Koops said to find a reasonable explanation why Sheldon changed his behaviour during the first 2 episodes. They are just speculations, but interesting still.

[koops]

I think from canon we know enough about Amy's mother to know that she was overbearing and protective and old-fashioned. I think while we know she wanted to push Amy to date, I also didn't get the impression she was THAT pushy. One date a year seems like a rather weak compromise if she were THAT pushy. I think Amy's mom comes across as the classic old-fashioned woman who thinks that a girl needs to be pure and chaste and uncontaminated from the big bad world until they reach marital age and then she needs to get out there, find a man and settle down. 

Also, frankly, the writers have never made the case that Amy's frustrations have anything to do with marriage and kids, let alone her mother pushing her into it. They always made it clear, even in interviews, that it was all about her and Sheldon and what SHE wants out of their relationship. I would be surprised if Amy's mother suddenly played a major role in this other than having an opinion about the current situation and/or about whether Amy should get out there and date again. Having said that, who knows. It could be interesting to find out that all along Amy had been pushed by her mother behind the scenes or having to endure comments about how long is she going to wait around on Sheldon. What I don't buy is that her mom is some kind of crazy, stuck-up harpy like some fanfics portray her. I think she loves Amy and worries about her in her own, weird, paranoid, old-fashioned manner. 

[Juni]

How much do we know about Amy's mother and their relationship anyway? I remember the awkward skype call and them having the deal with the yearly date. But fandom seems to have this weirdly specific idea of an overbearing mother who's pressuring Amy at all times. How much of that is actually canon? Did I forget an important scene with/about her??

Mmmhh, I guess you're right. We haven't heard that much about her. It's actually only the skype call. But I remember all the funny lies (i.e. Girl sprouts) Amy's mother told her. I've been getting the impression that Amy's mom actively prevented her from experiencing stuff in her teenage years (apart from Amy's social awkwardness). But it could be my imagination running wild.

[A Shamy gal]

I think from canon we know enough about Amy's mother to know that she was overbearing and protective and old-fashioned. I think while we know she wanted to push Amy to date, I also didn't get the impression she was THAT pushy. One date a year seems like a rather weak compromise if she were THAT pushy. I think Amy's mom comes across as the classic old-fashioned woman who thinks that a girl needs to be pure and chaste and uncontaminated from the big bad world until they reach marital age and then she needs to get out there, find a man and settle down. 

Also, frankly, the writers have never made the case that Amy's frustrations have anything to do with marriage and kids, let alone her mother pushing her into it. They always made it clear, even in interviews, that it was all about her and Sheldon and what SHE wants out of their relationship. I would be surprised if Amy's mother suddenly played a major role in this other than having an opinion about the current situation and/or about whether Amy should get out there and date again. Having said that, who knows. It could be interesting to find out that all along Amy had been pushed by her mother behind the scenes or having to endure comments about how long is she going to wait around on Sheldon. What I don't buy is that her mom is some kind of crazy, stuck-up harpy like some fanfics portray her. I think she loves Amy and worries about her in her own, weird, paranoid, old-fashioned manner. 

Amy has had to endure comments from the gang about her relationship with Sheldon, so it wouldn't surprise me if she hasn't had to endure the same kind of comments not just from her mother, but other members of her family.  Don't forget she tried to make up a boyfriend to get them off her back.

Edited August 22, 2015 by A Shamy gal

[April]

Thanks for the answers, guys! I was just wondering about that cause I read quite a few fanfics over the summer and Amy's mother is always written as this "overbearing mother" type. I guess ppl are just filling in the blanks there.

I do agree with you that she seems to be a bit old-fashioned and all that. But beyond that everything seems to be a bit too vague to make any concrete statements. I really hope we do get a scene with Amy and her that shows us a bit about their relationship at some point!

[koops]

Amy has had to endure comments from the gang about her relationship with Sheldon, so it wouldn't surprise me if she hasn't had to endure the same kind of comments not just from her mother, but other members of her family.

Yes, very good point. I think she did have to put up with a lot of that in her past. Like she had to make up Armin the miniature horse-breeder to get her family off her back about getting a boyfriend. In a sense, I think Amy represents really well how much harder things can get for girls who are on the "quirky" end of the spectrum than guys sometimes, because the whole societal pressure of conforming to gender roles and how their worth is measured on whether or not they can land a man. 

But that's kind of why I'm annoyed that every development is written from Sheldon's POV. I mean, I get it, he's the main character, but instead of recycling the same ol' scenarios with "Sheldon does crazy stuff", it would be so refreshing to see Amy's side of the story for once and there is literally SO much to explore there still. It's an untapped goldmine of possibilities and plots we have never seen before, not to mention a chance to showcase Mayim's talents. 

[Marina]

This is pretty much all we have on Amy's mother (missing a few lines of course, gifsets can only have ten gifs.)

 

So like koops said, she sounds more like an overbearing, overprotective mom than a cruel harpy who thinks her daughter isn't good enough. She wants to see Amy happy (she paid her cousin so he could take her to Prom), and she's obviously proud of her daughter. She seems like a lovely lady.