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BTW, if you haven't seen yet there is a new script cover pic from Molaro with letters visible.  Just in case you spend all your time on the Shamy thread. :-)

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So one of my best friends started watching TBBT few days ago, and like 3 days ago she was in the beginning of season 4, she was maybe on the 6th episode, and she told me 'I can't help it, i know it's superficial, but i can't stand Amy because of how she dresses, i can't look at her!' and i was so upset ! (but i couldn't really blame her, cause while i love Amy, i hate it how she dresses too, it's just that i love her so much that i don't notice it anymore). But i didn't expect my friend to change her opinion AT ALL, cause she's really into looks, and it's really important to her (i was sure Penny was gonna be her fav character). So i was kinda upset about it and didn't wanna ask her again what she thinks of Amy and Shamy, cause i was sure she would not like them and i didn't wanna feel upset she doesn't share my ship : ( So we were just talking now, and i wanted her opinion on TBBT , but about some some part of it that wouldn't hurt me, so i asked her what she thinks of Howard and Bernie, cause i don't care so much about them, so w/e her opinion about them would have been i wouldn't care. So we got to talking about names, and we said how we both hate names both Howard and Bernadette (esp. 'Howard' sound HORRIBLE in our language, like worst  name ever). So then she said how the only name of all 7 of them she likes is Amy. So i said , 'ok, that makes me a little happier, at least you like Amy's name!' And then she told me that SHE TOTALLY LOVES AMY NOW (AND SHE'S ON SEASON 6 ALREADY! 3 SEASONS IN 3 DAYS! EVEN I HAVEN'T WATCHED IT THAT FAST : D ), THAT SHE TOTALLY CHANGED HER OPINION AND THAT SHE FELL IN LOVE WITH AMY CAUSE SHE'S SO CUTE AND KIND AND INNOCENT and w/e nice things she said about her i forgot, but it was so sweet. It's also surprised me, cause for me, i only started REALLY loving Amy since like mid season 6/early season 7, before that i mainly liked her cause she was Sheldon's love interest, but not her personally. But she's told me she started to love her since early season 5, and she totally loves her more than Penny, and it was just so AWWW to me ; )

And she's told me she's rooting for Shamy cause they are so alike, and so good for each other, and she said 'the only problem I see in their relationship is that I feel for Amy that she wants physical intimacy so bad but can't get it' (she doesn't quite know later seasons spoilers, only vaguely) and then she said 'normally, i would not root for such a relationship when a person wants something they can't get, i wouldn't think they're quite right for each other, BUT KNOWING SHELDON, I KNOW HE'S SO DETERMINED THAT EVEN IF HE CAN'T DO SOMETHING, HE'LL BE WORKING ON IT UNTIL HE CAN DO IT, AND I HAVE NO DOUBTS HE'LL OVERCOME HIS ISSUES FOR HER' (and she hasn't even seen that 'i'm working on it.... it's a possibility' Kripke episode yet!). And she said what she loves about their relationship is that while Sheldon is so slow, she sees how he's changing for Amy in ways he wouldn't change for anybody else and........... I just thought it was so sweet! I totally didn't expect it.
And she said she liked their relationship way way waaaaaaaaaaayyy more than Lenny's.......
It's just made me so happy! : D

THE POWER OF SHAMY ; )

And one more close friend watching TBBT because of my insatiable obsession and talking too much about it : D (also her husband is watching with her so i'll count that as 2))

Now i have only one close friend who's never watched it...

Just wanted to share  ; )

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27 minutes ago, FortCozyMcBlanket said:

I'm def late to the party, and I don't wanna quote all of these awesome posts so I'll just touch on a few points that I very strongly agree with!

• I believe it was April who pointed out how Sheldon is choosing to side with his girlfriend -- the woman he wants a future with -- over his precious Meemaw -- possibly the most important woman who helped shape him in the past. What I got from this is that the writers are showing us through gestures like this that Sheldon is slowly but surely becoming more of a man in a committed relationship than a boy who relies on everyone in his life to coddle him. Pre-epiphany Sheldon would've stuck by Meemaw. 

• The thing that's bugging me most is that Amy and Meemaw were FINALLY connecting and that was the moment they got interrupted... I know it's the time crunch so I keep telling myself they worked everything out at Applebee's, but ughhhh it would've been nice to see them actually resolve things on screen! 

2L344 mentioned how we need to see more of WHY Amy loves Sheldon -- since she has no problem pointing out what she puts up with! I wanna see Amy's earworm epiphany! And actually if you dare venture into the main discussion thread you'll notice that a lot of the Lennies are feeling this way about Penny. I even kinda see this between Howardette as well, so I'm thinking the writers like playing the "women tolerating their nerdy husbands" theme. Why do these women love their quirky flawed men? Why did Amy want to run back into Sheldon's arms after their aquarium visit but then go back to talking about what she "puts up with" after he has shown some signs of maturity? We're not going to get to see as much of Amy's side as we want because this show is really all about Sheldon, so it's going to always be his side/his growth/his opinions that will be front and center. I think we're supposed to assume that they're on the same page in their relationship since Sheldon tells us everything is okay between them after the breakup, and based on his continuing maturing. 

• The line that hit me hard both in the TR and the actual episode was Amy's "You have no idea what I put up with! I'm his best shot!" I wanted to shout "5 EPISODES AGO YOU WERE IN TEARS BECAUSE THE MAN YOU PUT UP WITH WOULDN'T TAKE YOU BACK, WTF AMY?!!?" but being an over thinker with too much time on my hands, I put myself in Amy's shoes and actually remembered when I was in a somewhat similar situation with my boyfriend at the time (now an ex). His parents didn't have nearly as much hostility toward me as Meemaw did with Amy, but I do remember explaining to them that "he puts me through some difficult things that we fight over sometimes so I can see why you don't think I'm perfect for him, but I go through those things with him and STILL want to be with him. So if you want someone more perfect, sorry! I know how to make this work and I'm his best shot to the happy relationship you want for him!" So I now take Amy's lines with a grain of salt not only because she was PISSED and ranting when she said those things, but also she was asserting "Your precious moonpie who you think is so perfect is actually a huge pain in the ass sometimes, so you have NO idea what you're talking about when you think I'm just some girl that broke up with him and hurt him. You have no idea what our issues were when we broke up, and what I still put up with now that we're back together -- which by the way is where I want to be. You don't think I'm right for him, but if you envision this perfect happy relationship for him, I'm his best shot at getting it!"

ok that was way longer than I wanted it to be! whoops... 

I guess Im bothered a but more by what she said because weve heard it before, the episode in which she wanted to move in with him. Ive always felt that things said in the heat of the moment often times contain more truths than not. its like how alcohol reduces inhibitions and you see a person leas guarded and in control of things they want to say or believe but choose not to normally.

While everything about what Amy said is true, no doubt, its still kind of crappy to say. doesnt seem to bother sheldon though, so all is well i guess!

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2 minutes ago, Stephen Hawking said:

I love the way she dresses, or, more to the point, that she dresses how she wants, and isn't a slave to fashion.

i always support people's right to look HOWEVER the hell they want, literally anything, totally support freedom.

But i'm a visual person, so supporting freedom doesn't mean some of the visual freedom can't hurt my eyes ; )

(My issue with Amy's clothes is that i feel they dress her in w/e looks the worst on her body. Whenever i see Mayim i think 'god she's so cute and sexy', whenever I see Amy... I'm like 'god i love her so much i'm gonna pretend that outfit is something else'.)

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Someone said on the Discussion Thread that 9.17 might be about Sheldon's birthday, which, considering how many people will guest in this episode, I think it's quite possible. Although I have to say that sounds a little boring...

Anyway I hope it's not like the last birthday...And I hope the whole birthday celebration idea comes from Amy this year. If it comes from Penny again, I'm gonna be furious...:angry:

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5 hours ago, CuriousMeans said:

I don't think they were implying that (the issues with that even being a thing aside), simply using that quote from the show to demonstrate what Meemaw might have been thinking.

5 hours ago, Stephen Hawking said:

Amy's had sex with just one man, in her entire life.

Hardly a slut, by any definition.

Even if they weren't though, Kripke implies that on the next episode.  Ugh-dislike even if it is just a joke.  Anyway at least the group episode after the Valentine's Day episode sounds awesome.  I don't mind some conflict in an episode as long as there is some relevance and progression and perhaps maybe even an adequate resolution (could it be true!).  Everyone helping Howard cope with his concerns about becoming a dad on a group episode is a welcome relief to the relationship drama baggage permeating much of this season. 

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A birthday for Sheldon seems like a fairly tame plot for the guest stars and focuses the plot directly on Sheldon yet again. . .Huh. The pictures up in the other forum are interesting.

I just want someone to support/like Amy instantly and unconditionally because she's never had that in a familial/platonic way, and given the lack of arc and Meemaw, that's never happening. They've dragged out the relationship stuff so much in such a weird way that I almost wish they'd explored Sheldon and Amy trying to be friends while showing Sheldon's growth (and Amy's! but this season is very much Sheldon's) so that we didn't have all of these "is it cheating?" questions while they draw out the fact that Amy dated people while she was single (and I don't want to start an argument about that, I've just been thinking about the odd juxtaposition of Raj's plot with the Meemaw v. Amy plot). Comedy needs emotional aspects for balance and to bolster the humor, but this feels like it's dragging to me.

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1 hour ago, 2L344 said:

I guess Im bothered a but more by what she said because weve heard it before, the episode in which she wanted to move in with him. Ive always felt that things said in the heat of the moment often times contain more truths than not. its like how alcohol reduces inhibitions and you see a person leas guarded and in control of things they want to say or believe but choose not to normally.

While everything about what Amy said is true, no doubt, its still kind of crappy to say. doesnt seem to bother sheldon though, so all is well i guess!

yeah this is what irks me is that there's so much left unresolved in this arc, and then there's the inconsistency of Amy fawning over Sheldon but still "putting up with him"... so I guess the writers are leaving us to assume everything's fine and moving forward with Shamy since Sheldon seems to be happy and has moved past the breakup, and we just have to fill in the blanks when it comes to Amy's POV. 

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1 hour ago, wowbagger said:

man, that moment. On the one hand, i was cackling because Mayim Bialik, fantastic and committed comic actor that she is, was not afraid to let Amy go into Full Buffoon territory. I mean, check out that ingratiating simper, that Uriah Heep stroking of Sheldon's shoulder. This is a woman who is not afraid to let her character look really fucking creepy in pursuit of bling she had impetuously spurned not so long ago. (yes, yes, I know it's what the bling represents. Whatever.) I loved it because it was a reminder that hey, Amy is indeed a 'work in progress'. That smile? Is not the smile of a finished article. Only a work in progress has such a monumental lack of chill.

but, on the other hand: I mean, look at that smile. The faux-ingenuous, hands-out, cadging eyebrow waggle. The air of a child asking her father for a sweetie. It's hilarious, but I was relieved when Sheldon shut it down. I was cringing too hard while I was giggling.

I would've thought you had reached for the nearest bucket after that display lol

I would like to see more of the Amy that was a work in progress rather than the somewhat normalized version that gets thrown out there routinely. That Amy was the one that made the Shamy coupling a hoot...

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14 minutes ago, 2L344 said:

I would've thought you had reached for the nearest bucket after that display lol

I would like to see more of the Amy that was a work in progress rather than the somewhat normalized version that gets thrown out there routinely. That Amy was the one that made the Shamy coupling a hoot...

I miss weird Amy... the Amy who gave even Sheldon a puzzled look every once in awhile :icon_cheesygrin:

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13 minutes ago, FortCozyMcBlanket said:

I miss weird Amy... the Amy who gave even Sheldon a puzzled look every once in awhile :icon_cheesygrin:

The Amy that was willing on occasion to loan out a monkey for a "hit" on anyone they had a problem with. The Vixen that checked in with Sheldon first to see where he was at with using people for experimentation. The Amy that makes up secret languages. The Amy who dresses like a pretzel in FWF...

(sigh) they grow up sooo fast......

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3 hours ago, wowbagger said:

man, that moment. On the one hand, i was cackling because Mayim Bialik, fantastic and committed comic actor that she is, was not afraid to let Amy go into Full Buffoon territory. I mean, check out that ingratiating simper, that Uriah Heep stroking of Sheldon's shoulder. This is a woman who is not afraid to let her character look really fucking creepy in pursuit of bling she had impetuously spurned not so long ago. (yes, yes, I know it's what the bling represents. Whatever.) I loved it because it was a reminder that hey, Amy is indeed a 'work in progress'. That smile? Is not the smile of a finished article. Only a work in progress has such a monumental lack of chill.

but, on the other hand: I mean, look at that smile. The faux-ingenuous, hands-out, cadging eyebrow waggle. The air of a child asking her father for a sweetie. It's hilarious, but I was relieved when Sheldon shut it down. I was cringing too hard while I was giggling.

I don't agree with any of this, but I LOVE your writing style.  

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18 hours ago, 2L344 said:

I would've thought you had reached for the nearest bucket after that display lol

Ah, the bucket. My old friend, the bucket. Never far from my side when appraising a work of fiction. It's as well to be prepared.

In all honesty, I cheered for that moment because I felt as though poor old Mayim Bialik had been let off her chain and was allowing Amy to be goofy and off-putting and 'work in progress'-y. This after almost an entire episode in which she had been stomping around in a self-righteous snit, flailing her arms and screeching 'Pity me! PITY MEEEEEEE!!!!!!!! PITY ME FOR THE MAN-CHILD TO WHOM I HAVE BEEN LEG-SHACKLED BY A MALICIOUS ACT OF GOD OVER WHICH I HAVE NO CONTROL! PITY ME FOR THE AGENCY THAT I HAVE VOLUNTARILY SURRENDERED! PITY ME! HAVE I NOT EARNED YOUR PITY? IS THAT NOT THE SUMMUM BONUM OF THE HUMAN FEMALE CONDITION? AND DOES IT NOT MEAN THAT I GET TO WALTZ IN AND OUT OF MY RELATIONSHIP WITHOUT EVER BEING EVEN QUESTIONED ABOUT MY BEHAVIOUR OR MY MOTIVES? HAVING SURRENDERED MY AGENCY, HAVE I NOT ALSO SURRENDERED ACCOUNTABILITY? PITY ME! PITTTTYYYYYY!!!!!!!'

(sorry about the all-caps).

Ouf, Amy in this episode was a distillation of some of my very least favourite aspects of her character, leavened- thank God- by some of the things that make her so very enjoyable (a welcome show of backbone with Meemaw, and that gloriously creepy shoulder-stroke, for example).

And I was rooting for her right up to the moment that she and Gorgon Meemaw had their tete-a-tete.

Amy: I'm his best shot.

Me: You WHAT?!? All right, Gorgon Meemaw, I would forgive you for knocking back your whiskey and slashing at the girl's face with the empty glass for that. Everything about your characterisation thus far suggests that you have a blind spot the size of Texas about your darling Moon Pie. I would even forgive you for screeching 'WELL, YOU'RE NO PRIZE, MISSY!', however much I would say 'Ouch'.

Meemaw: (Sits silent.)

Me: Huh?!? Oh- oh, no.

Show (sitting next to me, clutching a Red Bull in one hand and a glittery notebook with 'Mrs. Sheldon Lee Cooper' in the other): Hi.

Me: What have you done?

Show (drinking Red Bull with expression of unconcern): Oh, nothing.

Amy: You don't know what I put up with!

Me: Well, recently you have lied and stayed an extra day in Motown to get out of caring for your boyfriend because he was exasperating, even though said boyfriend-at his most exasperating- cared for you, when you were lying about being ill.

Show: Hey, be fair. She puts up with more than that!

Me: 'Puts'? Present tense? Up with what exactly does she put?

Show: Your grammar is weird.

Me: What has she recently endured on-screen after the breakup to justify the use of the present tense?

Amy: (Petty shit that makes her sound like the shrillest, most demanding 'Foot-stomping girl' stereotype. Off-screen petty shit, moreover.)

Me: Jesus. She could at least have brought up the 'eggs' comment if she was so desperate for sympathy! But this?!? Surely Meemaw will cut her for this?

Meemaw: (extends grudging sympathy about Pop-pop)

Me: (gives Show a dirty look)

Show: (whistles with unconvincing nonchalance)

Meemaw: You hurt my grandson. How do I know you won't again?

Me: Okay. Fair point. Amy, what do you enjoy about your relationship with Sheldon that suggests that you would give it a go even though you find him difficult?

Amy and Meemaw: (continue to talk about how they find their partners difficult)

Me: Show, how do you continue to create these opportunities and continually refuse to take them?

Show: Opportunity? What opportunity?

Me: For Amy and Meemaw to talk about what they value in their relationships! Forget Meemaw, she comes from a different generation. What does Amy value about her relationship with Sheldon that she is willing to endure so much, and why isn't she allowed to talk about those things?

Show (sitting forward in seat): Okay, I didn't hear any of that, because- OMGOMGOMG!!!!!!!!

Sheldon arrives!

Me: Oh, well, I guess we can all go home then.

Show: isn't he HANDSOME when he's proving how much he loves his woman?

Me: Yes. Which.......He has done repeatedly in the recent past. When does Amy get her moment of being awesome?

Amy: (gets permission from Meemaw for Sheldon to use The Ring, and proceeds to feel up Sheldon in a fantastically disturbing way)

Me: .....Not what I meant, but hilarious. Well-played, show.

Show (blowing bubbles into the Red Bull): Sure.

Me: Hee!

Amy: (continues to fondle)

Me:...Okay, you can stop now.

Amy: (continues to fondle)

Me:....No, I mean, please stop.

Amy: (continues to fondle)

Me:......No, seriously, I can't take it any more. Make it stop make it stop MAKE IT STOOOPPPP I am cringing my skin inside out! Do something, Show! Anything!

Show: Aannnyyythinnnnggg?

Me: Well, let's not be hasty....

Sheldon: (shuts it down)

Me (slumping back in relief): Thanks.

Show: Now say you're sorry for all those mean things you said about me during the breakup!

Me: Don't push it.

Show: SAY YOU'RE SORRY!

Me: I have a bucket. It's still full from 'Amy is the fabric softener to my heart'. Nice cold sick all over your glittery notebook. How do you feel about that?

Show: I'll show myself out.

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49 minutes ago, kazzie said:

And Im back! :cool:

Sorry to ask so late but, What did you all think of the Meemaw episode? Do you all feel a bit better now? :)

11 minutes ago, wowbagger said:

[Lengthy fanficy ramblings about the adventures of Wowbagger vs. Show.]

Uhm... well....

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(having these two posts right after the other is kinda hilarious though omg)

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Hi everyone! I've been lurking for a while and decided to post now...From what I' ve gathered people feel underwhelmed by this episode...I have to say I agree for the most part. I liked parts of it, but others felt like they lacked.

I think part of it is that Amy is a secondary character and perhaps the writers don't want to give viewers the impression that they intend to "elevate" her in any episode because then there will be expectations for the rest of the episodes? I think they are very careful with how they write primary vs secondary characters. Of course, that unfortunately has side-effects...

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