Ship Zone [Spoilers] Shamy: Season 9

[Soopysue]

1 hour ago, kazzie said:

And Im back! 

Sorry to ask so late but, What did you all think of the Meemaw episode? Do you all feel a bit better now?

Loved the interactions between Sheldon and Amy - they just seem very comfortable and confident of their feelings towards each other now - dispite anything else that's said or going on !!!!. They are so in love  

Meemaw - I feel was too harsh but hey ho Amy dealt well with her and I think in the end Meemaw respected her , and her relationship with Sheldon. 

Glad to have you back - hope you're doing ok and not in too much pain x

[brilliantfool]

On 2/5/2016 at 1:02 PM, April said:

And as I said a while ago, when he's calling Amy his work in progress it kinda feels like that bait and switch from his "I like you, quirks and all" speech. I do think there's still a streak in him that has a hard time admitting his shortcomings to Amy (and maybe even his Meemaw) even though he's very much aware of them and working on himself with Amy's help. As annoying as it may be his growth is all baby steps with him occasionally stumbling every now and then. But he's still going forward.

Thank you so much for writing this!

The 'Quirks and all' line has always bothered me (even more so since it comes from one of my most fav Shamy scenes), as well as yesterday's line about work in progress, i thought those were such cheap jokes that showed Sheldon being too childish and clueless, but i like your explanation much MUCH better!

[FortCozyMcBlanket]

1 hour ago, wowbagger said:

Ah, the bucket. My old friend, the bucket. Never far from my side when appraising a work of fiction. It's as well to be prepared.

In all honesty, I cheered for that moment because I felt as though poor old Mayim Bialik had been let off her chain and was allowing Amy to be goofy and off-putting and 'work in progress'-y. This after almost an entire episode in which she had been stomping around in a self-righteous snit, flailing her arms and screeching 'Pity me! PITY MEEEEEEE!!!!!!!! PITY ME FOR THE MAN-CHILD TO WHOM I HAVE BEEN LEG-SHACKLED BY A MALICIOUS ACT OF GOD OVER WHICH I HAVE NO CONTROL! PITY ME FOR THE AGENCY THAT I HAVE VOLUNTARILY SURRENDERED! PITY ME! HAVE I NOT EARNED YOUR PITY? IS THAT NOT THE SUMMUM BONUM OF THE HUMAN FEMALE CONDITION? AND DOES IT NOT MEAN THAT I GET TO WALTZ IN AND OUT OF MY RELATIONSHIP WITHOUT EVER BEING EVEN QUESTIONED ABOUT MY BEHAVIOUR OR MY MOTIVES? HAVING SURRENDERED MY AGENCY, HAVE I NOT ALSO SURRENDERED ACCOUNTABILITY? PITY ME! PITTTTYYYYYY!!!!!!!'

(sorry about the all-caps).

Ouf, Amy in this episode was a distillation of some of my very least favourite aspects of her character, leavened- thank God- by some of the things that make her so very enjoyable (a welcome show of backbone with Meemaw, and that gloriously creepy shoulder-stroke, for example).

And I was rooting for her right up to the moment that she and Gorgon Meemaw had their tete-a-tete.

Amy: I'm his best shot.

Me: You WHAT?!? All right, Gorgon Meemaw, I would forgive you for knocking back your whiskey and slashing at the girl's face with the empty glass for that. Everything about your characterisation thus far suggests that you have a blind spot the size of Texas about your darling Moon Pie. I would even forgive you for screeching 'WELL, YOU'RE NO PRIZE, MISSY!', however much I would say 'Ouch'.

Meemaw: (Sits silent.)

Me: Huh?!? Oh- oh, no.

Show (sitting next to me, clutching a Red Bull in one hand and a glittery notebook with 'Mrs. Sheldon Lee Cooper' in the other): Hi.

Me: What have you done?

Show (drinking Red Bull with expression of unconcern): Oh, nothing.

Amy: You don't know what I put up with!

Me: Well, recently you have lied and stayed an extra day in Motown to get out of caring for your boyfriend because he was exasperating, even though said boyfriend-at his most exasperating- cared for you, when you were lying about being ill.

Show: Hey, be fair. She puts up with more than that!

Me: 'Puts'? Present tense? Up with what exactly does she put?

Show: Your grammar is weird.

Me: What has she recently endured on-screen after the breakup to justify the use of the present tense?

Amy: (Petty shit that makes her sound like the shrillest, most demanding 'Foot-stomping girl' stereotype. Off-screen petty shit, moreover.)

Me: Jesus. She could at least have brought up the 'eggs' comment if she was so desperate for sympathy! But this?!? Surely Meemaw will cut her for this?

Meemaw: (extends grudging sympathy about Pop-pop)

Me: (gives Show a dirty look)

Show: (whistles with unconvincing nonchalance)

Meemaw: You hurt my grandson. How do I know you won't again?

Me: Okay. Fair point. Amy, what do you enjoy about your relationship with Sheldon that suggests that you would give it a go even though you find him difficult?

Amy and Meemaw: (continue to talk about how their find their partners difficult)

Me: Show, how do you continue to create these opportunities and continually refuse to take them?

Show: Opportunity? What opportunity?

Me: For Amy and Meemaw to talk about what they value in their relationships! Forget Meemaw, she comes from a different generation. What does Amy value about her relationship with Sheldon that she is willing to endure so much, and why isn't she allowed to talk about those things?

Show (sitting forward in seat): Okay, I didn't hear any of that, because- OMGOMGOMG!!!!!!!!

Sheldon arrives!

Me: Oh, well, I guess we can all go home then.

Show: isn't he HANDSOME when he's proving how much he loves his woman?

Me: Yes. Which.......He has done repeatedly in the recent past. When does Amy get her moment of being awesome?

Amy: (gets permission from Meemaw for Sheldon to use The Ring, and proceeds to feel up Sheldon in a fantastically disturbing way)

Me: .....Not what I meant, but hilarious. Well-played, show.

Show (blowing bubbles into the Red Bull): Sure.

Me: Hee!

Amy: (continues to fondle)

Me:...Okay, you can stop now.

Amy: (continues to fondle)

Me:....No, I mean, please stop.

Amy: (continues to fondle)

Me:......No, seriously, I can't take it any more. Make it stop make it stop MAKE IT STOOOPPPP I am cringing my skin inside out! Do something, Show! Anything!

Show: Aannnyyythinnnnggg?

Me: Well, let's not be hasty....

Sheldon: (shuts it down)

Me (slumping bank in relief): Thanks.

Show: Now say you're sorry for all those mean things you said about me during the breakup!

Me: Don't push it.

Show: SAY YOU'RE SORRY!

Me: I have a bucket. It's still full from 'Amy is the fabric softener to my heart'. Nice cold sick all over your glittery notebook. How do you feel about that?

Show: I'll show myself out.

THANK YOU!

[2L344]

1 hour ago, wowbagger said:

Ah, the bucket. My old friend, the bucket. Never far from my side when appraising a work of fiction. It's as well to be prepared.

In all honesty, I cheered for that moment because I felt as though poor old Mayim Bialik had been let off her chain and was allowing Amy to be goofy and off-putting and 'work in progress'-y. This after almost an entire episode in which she had been stomping around in a self-righteous snit, flailing her arms and screeching 'Pity me! PITY MEEEEEEE!!!!!!!! PITY ME FOR THE MAN-CHILD TO WHOM I HAVE BEEN LEG-SHACKLED BY A MALICIOUS ACT OF GOD OVER WHICH I HAVE NO CONTROL! PITY ME FOR THE AGENCY THAT I HAVE VOLUNTARILY SURRENDERED! PITY ME! HAVE I NOT EARNED YOUR PITY? IS THAT NOT THE SUMMUM BONUM OF THE HUMAN FEMALE CONDITION? AND DOES IT NOT MEAN THAT I GET TO WALTZ IN AND OUT OF MY RELATIONSHIP WITHOUT EVER BEING EVEN QUESTIONED ABOUT MY BEHAVIOUR OR MY MOTIVES? HAVING SURRENDERED MY AGENCY, HAVE I NOT ALSO SURRENDERED ACCOUNTABILITY? PITY ME! PITTTTYYYYYY!!!!!!!'

(sorry about the all-caps).

Ouf, Amy in this episode was a distillation of some of my very least favourite aspects of her character, leavened- thank God- by some of the things that make her so very enjoyable (a welcome show of backbone with Meemaw, and that gloriously creepy shoulder-stroke, for example).

And I was rooting for her right up to the moment that she and Gorgon Meemaw had their tete-a-tete.

Amy: I'm his best shot.

Me: You WHAT?!? All right, Gorgon Meemaw, I would forgive you for knocking back your whiskey and slashing at the girl's face with the empty glass for that. Everything about your characterisation thus far suggests that you have a blind spot the size of Texas about your darling Moon Pie. I would even forgive you for screeching 'WELL, YOU'RE NO PRIZE, MISSY!', however much I would say 'Ouch'.

Meemaw: (Sits silent.)

Me: Huh?!? Oh- oh, no.

Show (sitting next to me, clutching a Red Bull in one hand and a glittery notebook with 'Mrs. Sheldon Lee Cooper' in the other): Hi.

Me: What have you done?

Show (drinking Red Bull with expression of unconcern): Oh, nothing.

Amy: You don't know what I put up with!

Me: Well, recently you have lied and stayed an extra day in Motown to get out of caring for your boyfriend because he was exasperating, even though said boyfriend-at his most exasperating- cared for you, when you were lying about being ill.

Show: Hey, be fair. She puts up with more than that!

Me: 'Puts'? Present tense? Up with what exactly does she put?

Show: Your grammar is weird.

Me: What has she recently endured on-screen after the breakup to justify the use of the present tense?

Amy: (Petty shit that makes her sound like the shrillest, most demanding 'Foot-stomping girl' stereotype. Off-screen petty shit, moreover.)

Me: Jesus. She could at least have brought up the 'eggs' comment if she was so desperate for sympathy! But this?!? Surely Meemaw will cut her for this?

Meemaw: (extends grudging sympathy about Pop-pop)

Me: (gives Show a dirty look)

Show: (whistles with unconvincing nonchalance)

Meemaw: You hurt my grandson. How do I know you won't again?

Me: Okay. Fair point. Amy, what do you enjoy about your relationship with Sheldon that suggests that you would give it a go even though you find him difficult?

Amy and Meemaw: (continue to talk about how their find their partners difficult)

Me: Show, how do you continue to create these opportunities and continually refuse to take them?

Show: Opportunity? What opportunity?

Me: For Amy and Meemaw to talk about what they value in their relationships! Forget Meemaw, she comes from a different generation. What does Amy value about her relationship with Sheldon that she is willing to endure so much, and why isn't she allowed to talk about those things?

Show (sitting forward in seat): Okay, I didn't hear any of that, because- OMGOMGOMG!!!!!!!!

Sheldon arrives!

Me: Oh, well, I guess we can all go home then.

Show: isn't he HANDSOME when he's proving how much he loves his woman?

Me: Yes. Which.......He has done repeatedly in the recent past. When does Amy get her moment of being awesome?

Amy: (gets permission from Meemaw for Sheldon to use The Ring, and proceeds to feel up Sheldon in a fantastically disturbing way)

Me: .....Not what I meant, but hilarious. Well-played, show.

Show (blowing bubbles into the Red Bull): Sure.

Me: Hee!

Amy: (continues to fondle)

Me:...Okay, you can stop now.

Amy: (continues to fondle)

Me:....No, I mean, please stop.

Amy: (continues to fondle)

Me:......No, seriously, I can't take it any more. Make it stop make it stop MAKE IT STOOOPPPP I am cringing my skin inside out! Do something, Show! Anything!

Show: Aannnyyythinnnnggg?

Me: Well, let's not be hasty....

Sheldon: (shuts it down)

Me (slumping bank in relief): Thanks.

Show: Now say you're sorry for all those mean things you said about me during the breakup!

Me: Don't push it.

Show: SAY YOU'RE SORRY!

Me: I have a bucket. It's still full from 'Amy is the fabric softener to my heart'. Nice cold sick all over your glittery notebook. How do you feel about that?

Show: I'll show myself out.

Bahahaha, how do you do it?? this is AWESOME, and is frighteningly on point!

[910]

3 hours ago, kazzie said:

And Im back! 

Sorry to ask so late but, What did you all think of the Meemaw episode? Do you all feel a bit better now?

I like that the argument was toned down, and that Amy had to be poked multiple times before she snapped, but overall I think the episode as a whole was still poorly written.  

[Einstein Von Brainstorm]

23 hours ago, 2L344 said:

Same here. In my head before watching the episode I would've thought Meemaw would have maybe turned her face away with a roll of her eyes, or something to show that it was TMI lol...instead, her expression to me was kind of neutral. To me anyway...

I don't think Meemaw actually heard it did she?

[mirs1]

8 minutes ago, Einstein Von Brainstorm said:

I don't think Meemaw actually heard it did she?

Why do you think so? Sheldon wasn't exactly whispering. For me she heard it and had a kind of a pleased look on her face, LOL!

Edited February 6, 2016 by mirs1

[EvilStewie]

37 minutes ago, mirs1 said:

Why do you think so? Sheldon wasn't exactly whispering. For me she heard it and had a kind of a pleased look on her face, LOL!

I didn't have internet for a few cause my ISP was having a issue with ice or something..  I didn't see the whole episode, but meenaw is an enabler!! If Sheldon is happy about something, then its fine. She is kinda creepy! 

 

Edited February 6, 2016 by EvilStewie

[Einstein Von Brainstorm]

41 minutes ago, mirs1 said:

Why do you think so? Sheldon wasn't exactly whispering. For me she heard it and had a kind of a pleased look on her face, LOL!

Because she doesn't seem to react in any way *shrugs*

Edited February 6, 2016 by Einstein Von Brainstorm

[EvilStewie]

I wasn't thrilled with this episode, my biggest pet peeve was the little work in progress line. He just told them all that Amy softened his life blah blah.. glad that stuck for a whole, what two episodes?  ..Also he just tells Amy he can't tell Meemaw to butt out, but looks back at Amy and sees her angry expression before he opts out of that one? 

Edited February 6, 2016 by EvilStewie

[mirs1]

16 minutes ago, EvilStewie said:

I didn't have internet for a few cause my ISP was having a issue with ice or something..  I didn't see the whole episode, but meenaw is an enabler!! If Sheldon is happy about something, then its fine. She is kinda creepy! 

 

She didn't come across to me as creepy. She hadn't any real or personal reason to dislike Amy; her only problem with her was that she made her Moonpie suffer and\or could make him suffer again in the future. So, as soon as Sheldon ensured her that he is happy with Amy now and their feelings are  strong, almost all her bad feelings towards her disappeared. Maybe the two of them will never be BFF, but she is ok with Amy now.  She is indeed too protective to his grandson and  thinks, given his quirky personality, that he is a child and has to be treated as a child by herself and by  everyone, but...that's what grannies are for, isn't it?

Edited February 6, 2016 by mirs1

[EvilStewie]

10 minutes ago, mirs1 said:

She didn't come across to me as creepy. She hadn't any real or personal reason to dislike Amy; her only problem with her was that she made her Moonpie suffer and\or could make him suffer again in the future. So, as soon as Sheldon ensured her that he is happy with Amy now and their feelings are as strong, all her bad feeling towards her disappeared. Maybe the two of them will never be BFF, but she is ok with Amy now.  She is indeed too protective to his grandson and  thinks, given his quirky personality, that he is a child and has to be treated as a child by herself and by  everyone, but...that's what granny are for, isn't it?

I tried and I can't like her! I think sure Granny can be there for advice, and guidance.. but this is creepy! He is an adult now. Plus Mary couldn't even keep her in check cause Mary told her everything was OK and she flew out anyway. As a parent I would have been pissed if my mother undermined my parenting, and seeing she still treats Sheldon like he is a kid, that is what she is doing.  I have yet to see Mary coddle him when she is on, and the gang don't either. Plus to me, Sheldon enjoyed it, that is the biggest thing. .. that proves this is the LAST thing he needs!! 

Edited February 6, 2016 by EvilStewie

[stardustmelody]

I don't think all grandmothers coddle their grandchildren nor treat them as children when they are adults.  My grandmother never made me feel like I was always a child, but she immediately knew when to respect that I was growing up and our relationship was still the way it had been, yet now it was as two adults versus adult-child.  

I do think Meemaw is an enabler of his childish behavior, but I don't think she intentionally means any harm, but instead loves him to pieces.   But she isn't the only enabler.  Leonard and Penny enable his childish behavior as well, which is the whole reason they were not living on their own.  Which is another reason why I hated that conversation Penny had with the shrink about having a man-child and blaming Leonard when she was the one that caved and said they should just live with him part of the time.   It really amazes me how much they enable his childish behavior.   Even to Penny telling him how to respond to questions by yelling it at him and him looking up to them to get that reassurance before he said "yes" to Amy's comment about both of them growing.  That has been a big pet peeve of mine. I  really hate that they are too overly involved in each others lives. It is one thing to offer friendship and quite another to suddenly turn into a parent role with your "friend."

I very much want the living arrangements addressed soon and for Lenny to get their own story separate from Sheldon for a while.  I think there needs to be some distance between all of them so that way all can grow.   Sure Sheldon can work closely with Leonard and see him daily, but from a story perspective it would be great to see Lenny get a separate story that has nothing to do with or include Sheldon in it.

[EvilStewie]

^^

Yeah, I agree about Leonard and Penny, and I loved that Emily stuck to her guns, but the rest of them really don't put up with Sheldon as they once had. Amy has learned not to, and to me that was a huge development for her character!  This episode proved why. I would like to see Lenny put balls to the wall, and do what they need for themselves. If they don't after this episode, I don't want to hear any more bitching, cause if this didn't teach them....

..and to add one more thing here. When Meemaw ever looked at Sheldon and said " leave and let us ADULTS talk, she can't even see he is a grow man, let alone act like he is one. She's creepy! 

Edited February 6, 2016 by EvilStewie

[Stephen Hawking]

You do know that you, and Raj, are misusing the phrase "balls to the wall", don't you?

[Einstein Von Brainstorm]

5x15 The Friendship Contraction is on TV here right now... 

Leonard says "Leonard: Absolutely. If you admit that you’re a 30-year-old man who’s incapable of functioning on his own."

How does Leonard know that Sheldon is 30 if he doesn't know when his Birthday is  

[Stephen Hawking]

Just now, Einstein Von Brainstorm said:

How does Leonard know that Sheldon is 30 if he doesn't know when his Birthday is  

He may not know the exact date of his birthday, but if he knows the month and year he was born, he would know his age.

[EvilStewie]

37 minutes ago, Stephen Hawking said:

You do know that you, and Raj, are misusing the phrase "balls to the wall", don't you?

But you didn't ask me if I cared... No no I don't

[Stephen Hawking]

That's why I merely asked you.

Edited February 6, 2016 by Stephen Hawking

[phantagrae]

I've seen these references to speculation about the 200th episode being somehow about Sheldon's birthday.  Where did this come from?

I haven't been online to read taping reports or other discussions for a while, and of all the script cover pictures I've seen, the most hint at a title I've seen was Steve Molaro's pic showing the "The C..." part of the title.

Have we seen anything apart from the pics of Adam West on set, etc., and why would any of that hint at a birthday party for Sheldon (especially since they've already done his birthday)?

 

[nothereanymore]

1 minute ago, phantagrae said:

I've seen these references to speculation about the 200th episode being somehow about Sheldon's birthday.  Where did this come from?

I haven't been online to read taping reports or other discussions for a while, and of all the script cover pictures I've seen, the most hint at a title I've seen was Steve Molaro's pic showing the "The C..." part of the title.

Have we seen anything apart from the pics of Adam West on set, etc., and why would any of that hint at a birthday party for Sheldon (especially since they've already done his birthday)?

 

In a picture, there are blue and yellow streams in the apartment along with wrapped papers in the background, and the speculation stems from that when combined with how close the date is to Sheldon's birthday. It's an attempt to explain the seemingly party atmosphere in the picture.

[stardustmelody]

24 minutes ago, phantagrae said:

I've seen these references to speculation about the 200th episode being somehow about Sheldon's birthday.  Where did this come from?

I haven't been online to read taping reports or other discussions for a while, and of all the script cover pictures I've seen, the most hint at a title I've seen was Steve Molaro's pic showing the "The C..." part of the title.

Have we seen anything apart from the pics of Adam West on set, etc., and why would any of that hint at a birthday party for Sheldon (especially since they've already done his birthday)?

 

On this post, from one of the writers of the show, you can see in the background presents and streamers in the apartment:  

 

You also Sheldon's birthday reference aired on Feb 26 last year during The Intimacy Acceleration episode.  This episode is airing Feb 25 (a day before but same time of year).   Thus the conclusion that it was a combined celebration of Sheldon's birthday and bringing in the whole 50th Anniversary of Batman and Adam West into it somehow through the Batman themed party (which you can tell is what the streamers match...Batman colors).

[FortCozyMcBlanket]

As long as we're speculating about what 200 has in store for us, since there's some sort of Batman themed party (whether it's Sheldon's bday party or celebrating the Batman 50th anniversary) it would be amazing if they had a bat signal on the roof, but instead of a bat, it's a ring... and that is how Sheldon proposes... 

[nothereanymore]

1 minute ago, FortCozyMcBlanket said:

As long as we're speculating about what 200 has in store for us, since there's some sort of Batman themed party (whether it's Sheldon's bday party or celebrating the Batman 50th anniversary) it would be amazing if they had a bat signal on the roof, but instead of a bat, it's a ring... and that is how Sheldon proposes... 

To me, that feels more appropriate for Sheldon proposing to Sheldon. I'd like to see them both grow some more and Sheldon take Amy's perspective into account. (Am I holding my breath for this? Not really.)

But I would cackle if they did some weird laser stuff with a bat signal and ended up getting caught up in legal shenanigans that inadvertently involved all of those guest stars for whatever reason.

[Flaky]

I thought I'd share my thoughts (and confusion) about the Meemaw episode. I read the TR before viewing the episode but decided not to weigh in on the Meemaw/Amy "face-off" until it aired.  In both cases, I was really surprised by how Meemaw and Amy interacted. It seemed like they were strangers who had never spoken before.  Forgive me but I was under the impression from episode 8x11 (The Clean Room Infiltration) that Amy spoke with Meemaw:

Sheldon: Cookies?
Amy: They're your MeeMaw's Christmas cookies. I called and got the recipe.

I imagine the two women would have shared stories during this off-screen conversation. If so, shouldn't Meemaw know Amy's love for her grandson? Amy's character?  Even if their relationship was strained because of the breakup and Meemaw needed reassurance that Amy wouldn't leave Moonpie again. I don't get why Meemaw acted so distant.  It was as if they never had any interaction/conversation prior to that moment. From both Amy's comments (you'll like me once you get to know me) and Meemaw referring to Mary liking her.  It just sounded like Meemaw had never talked to Amy to make her own opinion of her. Which I find weird considering 8x11.  Then again this is an assumption on my part, perhaps Amy got the cookie recipe from Mary in 8x11 and not Meemaw herself.  

Would love to hear others thoughts on the Meemaw/Amy interaction in light of 8x11.