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37 minutes ago, April said:

 

Then again the generous side of me keeps nagging me about the what ifs and maybe there's some greater good behind this madness - which probably annoys the heck out you. Why can't I just join the fun and write my own lengthy rants about this stupid show like the rest of you??

Not at all. I am unapologetic about my rants because I am just as hyperbolic (and frequently as verbose) in my praise. But that doesn't mean everyone has to join in.

41 minutes ago, April said:

So yeah, maybe we will get something more concrete on that, as in actual words coming out of Amy's mouth, in one of the next episodes. During the last episodes the writers have constantly added situations or lines that put an end to a lot of discussions we've had in the past (often things that annoyed the heck out of me, so thanks for that writers!) so who knows what they'll have for us next?! With the speculations about the next episode being about Sheldon's birthday maybe we'll get something from that.

Oh there are certainly opportunities in the 200th episode. I like the idea upthread of Amy doing something nice for Sheldon for his birthday. And I was speculating in the S9 thread that it might be interesting to have Sheldon, Bernie, Amy and Leslie have a plot where Bernie and Leslie are picking on Sheldon, and Amy is torn between being one of the 'cool kids' and defending Sheldon, and of course makes the right decision and kicks Leslie's ass.

Or something that allows Amy to get a bigger slice of that sweet protagonist-of-own-story action.

Oh, and- if you ever find that your generosity towards the show is paying an exasperating lack of dividends, I invite you to join us on the Cathartic Couch of Consternation. There's Cabernet Sauvignon on tap, or any other Fine Whine you care to name. Show sometimes joins us and drinks Red Bull, but brings its own.

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2 minutes ago, MJistheBOMB said:

I actually liked the "work in progress" line because it's the darn truth. Amy has issues she needs to work on the same way Sheldon does and at least Sheldon isn't afraid to admit it. LOL. 

 

I disagree here, only because Sheldon had to be prompted to admit it. He just said like 2 episode ago how much Amy changed him, and then ran out the door to get her back. This is not newly attained knowledge, she has helped him, and if he could say it then then why not now? 

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19 hours ago, Flaky said:

I thought I'd share my thoughts (and confusion) about the Meemaw episode. I read the TR before viewing the episode but decided not to weigh in on the Meemaw/Amy "face-off" until it aired.  In both cases, I was really surprised by how Meemaw and Amy interacted. It seemed like they were strangers who had never spoken before.  Forgive me but I was under the impression from episode 8x11 (The Clean Room Infiltration) that Amy spoke with Meemaw:

Sheldon: Cookies?
Amy: They're your MeeMaw's Christmas cookies. I called and got the recipe.

I imagine the two women would have shared stories during this off-screen conversation. If so, shouldn't Meemaw know Amy's love for her grandson? Amy's character?  Even if their relationship was strained because of the breakup and Meemaw needed reassurance that Amy wouldn't leave Moonpie again. I don't get why Meemaw acted so distant.  It was as if they never had any interaction/conversation prior to that moment. From both Amy's comments (you'll like me once you get to know me) and Meemaw referring to Mary liking her.  It just sounded like Meemaw had never talked to Amy to make her own opinion of her. Which I find weird considering 8x11.  Then again this is an assumption on my part, perhaps Amy got the cookie recipe from Mary in 8x11 and not Meemaw herself.  

Would love to hear others thoughts on the Meemaw/Amy interaction in light of 8x11.

You make a good point. Based on that, Meemaw should have been less harsh towards Amy in my opinion. 

It's clear that Sheldon is still a child in her eyes and she feels the need to protect him as if he's still a young boy who gets bullied in school.

18 minutes ago, EvilStewie said:

I disagree here, only because Sheldon had to be prompted to admit it. He just said like 2 episode ago how much Amy changed him, and then ran out the door to get her back. This is not newly attained knowledge, she has helped him, and if he could say it then then why not now? 

He did say it now. In his own words but he did when he talked to Meemaw about she changed PopPop for the better. He mentioned that because it mirrors his relationship with Amy. Just because he pointed out that Amy is a work in progress doesn't take away from the fact that he acknowledged that the break up did them both good, etc.

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^^  I didn't see it that way at all, he was pointing out he was working on Amy, nothing about what Amy has done for him. To drive that point home they added Leonard's line of " He never disappoints does he", and Penny's "Yesss"! 

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22 hours ago, stardustmelody said:

On this post, from one of the writers of the show, you can see in the background presents and streamers in the apartment:  

 

You also Sheldon's birthday reference aired on Feb 26 last year during The Intimacy Acceleration episode.  This episode is airing Feb 25 (a day before but same time of year).   Thus the conclusion that it was a combined celebration of Sheldon's birthday and bringing in the whole 50th Anniversary of Batman and Adam West into it somehow through the Batman themed party (which you can tell is what the streamers match...Batman colors).

Too bad it is not a bon voyage celebration of Lenny leaving the apartment with either housewarming gifts for Lenny or consolation gifts to bribe Sheldon into getting over it!    Better yet, a welcome party for Amy moving in.

I doubt it's an engagement party.

Yeah, Sheldon birthday party seems likely.   I wonder where Leslie Winkle fits in all of it.

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4 hours ago, EvilStewie said:

^^  I didn't see it that way at all, he was pointing out he was working on Amy, nothing about what Amy has done for him. To drive that point home they added Leonard's line of " He never disappoints does he", and Penny's "Yesss"! 

I watched the scene again and I understand what you mean now. Although, now it got me wondering: Will we see a "talk" between he and Amy after all? I was thinking maybe we'd never see it (and I wasn't even sure I needed to see it) but the way he says, "Well...." after Amy mentioned that they have grown together following his comment about her being a work in progress, clearly something is still bothering Sheldon. 

I'm hoping that if this is the case, that he doesn't hold his issues with her inside for long. We already know what holding feelings inside looks like on Amy's end. LOL.

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3 minutes ago, jenafan said:

I agree 100% with all of this.

Sheldon acknowledged how good Amy is for him by his relating to his meemaw how she stuck by his pop pop while at the same time telling her that he knows Amy has things to work on as well.   Amy's translation of what Sheldon was trying to say was absolutely correct.   Of course, Sheldon wanted to elaborate, and Penny cut him off before he could mess up by saying more than was necessary.

Because I have had the flu, I haven't felt much like participating in the commentary the past few days.   However, I've enjoyed reading everyone's opinions over the meemaw episode.   I've watched it a few more times, and meemaw's actions aren't bothering me as much as they did.   The reason is because I have gone back to S1 and started watching all the episodes in order from the beginning.    The episodes were longer.    There weren't as many characters.   More time could be spent on a specific storyline.  This show has been full of inconsistences that run rampant, starting with the first episode.

What I have come to realize is the episode times are too short where we are almost watching more commercials than show now.   There are too many characters.   The storylines are being crammed together and rushed rather than explored the way they should be.   The show has become Sheldon-centric more than ever, and we will likely never get Amy's POV.   In the attempt to throw in a joke line, the writer's are willing to contradict their own canon.

It's just hard to take a show or its ships seriously anymore when the writers won't even do it.   Don't they know there is two in a relationship and the audience would like to see both sides?   You would think that if the show has become Sheldon-centric, they'd put more effort into letting us hear from Amy's own mouth, his other half, why she is not going to run away from Sheldon again since we are banking on their relationship being successful.   If she is key to his maturation and happiness, what does he do for her that makes putting up with him worth the effort?  

Apparently the writers couldn't spare a minute of episode time to include such a line from Amy.    I would rather have seen this than Amy's presumptious prompting to Sheldon for the ring by rubbing his shoulder after listening to her soliloquy asking for pity from his meemaw for putting up with him and acknowledging her badge for doing so.

Everyone already knows how difficult Sheldon is.    The fact the writers keep bringing this up has become redundant and boring.

How about they give us new information to go on?   What does Amy enjoy about the relationship?  Has Amy addressed her desire to move to a better apartment to Sheldon?   How is their intimate life now?  Is Amy happier?  What is Sheldon doing with his career?   Is Amy still working with monkeys?   Have they done away with date nights and see each other daily now?  What experiment are they working on together?

There are so many directions they could go rather than rehashing the same stuff over and over again.   For instance, we already know Amy dated three men.   Why bring it up again in the upcoming episode?   What's the point?    So, we can continue to hear Sheldon say how he is over his hurt and extremely happy now to have Amy back, while her reasons for being back are still a mystery other than being his "best shot?"

At one time Sheldon was concerned over Amy having reservations about the relationship.   Have his concerns been addressed, or is he willing to cover over his concerns because of her affect on softening his heart?   Even if the tables have turned, and Sheldon is showing a softer side and giving more to Amy, it would be nice to know that it is still now all about him and his feelings but both of them.

I'm sorry, but I am still left wanting more Shamy here, not 99.9% Sheldon and 0.1% Amy.

 

hope you're better, Jena, and amen!

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4 minutes ago, brilliantfool said:

i know there's like 1 in a million chance of that happening, but i'd actually like to see that  x D

Given she had a relationship with Howard after Leonard and it had been 18 months since Leonard saw Leslie before her last appearance, this is doubtful.   However, the writers have shown several times how they like to change history.   So, don't give up hope.

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11 minutes ago, jenafan said:

and we will likely never get Amy's POV

Jenafan.. YOU ARE THE BEST.. agree  100% with your last comment.. Would not hurt the show to throw few more lines to Amy/Meemaw discussion - for example.. sometimes I think the writters misses great opportunities without a few more lines/seconds on the show

Still have no idea why they will bring back Leslie.. 

 

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8 minutes ago, jenafan said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I've been saying this from the beginning, that I'm not so sure Sheldon is 100% over the break up and he is just covering it up because he is so happy to get Amy back and doesn't want to rock the love boat they are on right now.    Given his line in the next episode, it seems he's avoided talking about it.

now, i do think he is over it. But also: I sort of hope he is, because i am Very Weary of the Feelings of Sheldon Lee Cooper. I'd rather get to see sheldon and amy goofing around and let the show display to us what the two of them love about each other and their relationship, than to have the show create more opportunities to get some insight into amy's thoughts and feelings, only to jerk the mic from her at the last moment and let Sheldon tell us a bunch of stuff we already know. Or basically give us instructions about how we should feel about the writers' choices.

to that end, the group episode sounds delightful.

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Jenafan, I hope you are feeling better and on the mend from the flu!   :girlhospital::giverose:  I agree with what you said above.   To be honest, that has been a complaint of mine for a while now.  The writers are too timid and safe, or is it just laziness?  They would rather let things be stale on the show rather than explore both sides of a relationship and they would rather remains stale and redundant rather than forge into new territory.  While I do realize they have forged ahead in some ways, they never fully commit, but always have a leg back into familiar territory.   This Meemaw episode wreaked of that.   Instead of having Sheldon stand up and say he is a full fledged adult and that his Meemaw needed to respect his relationship and his choice, he goes back to old stale behavior and jokes.   

This may be the fundamental problem with Lenny as well.  They have never fully flushed out that relationship to the point where fans feel they fully understand why they work as a couple.   We see Penny insult Leonard time and again and seem less committed through her dialog yet it is obvious she is committed to him.   We see Leonard continually talk about how beautiful or hot Penny is, but we know there is far more than looks keeping him with her.   But because they have done nothing to explore that to a level that people understand their pairing it has been a point of contention within the fan base and has definitely lost some fans because they were rooting for them and yet lost interest after they felt that they never went any further than Leonard superficially attracted to her and Penny "settling" for him (which is how it comes across.)   We know that isn't the real story, but what is the real story?   We have no clue!

While I enjoy having guest stars on the show when they make sense, often I feel like the producers are more interested in getting named guests and touting that than really caring about the stories.   It seems like they create a story to bring a guest on, but does that story work well?  Not necessarily.   Based on some of the reviews on Meemaw, it is clear that some fans and some media were not impressed.   The story felt disjointed and stale and some fans even call it "filler" even though there was some forward movement in it.   What is says to me is that they wanted to say they had an Academy Award winner on their show more than cared about whether the story really worked.   I also think they sometimes care more about a punch line than whether the line makes sense in the grand scheme of things. :icon_rolleyes:

I keep hoping that over the summer hiatus periods the writers will step back and look at what they are delivering and while ratings are high and all, wonder if they are truly satisfied with their results because I have to believe they would want to explore new territory more than rehash things over and over.  That seems like it would not be satisfying at all, given that writers love to create and creativity means looking at things fresh and new, not old and stale. :girlsigh: 

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2 minutes ago, wowbagger said:

now, i do think he is over it. But also: I sort of hope he is, because i am Very Weary of the Feelings of Sheldon Lee Cooper. I'd rather get to see sheldon and amy goofing around and let the show display to us what the two of them love about each other and their relationship, than to have the show create more opportunities to get some insight into amy's thoughts and feelings, only to jerk the mic from her at the last moment and let Sheldon tell us a bunch of stuff we already know. Or basically give us instructions about how we should feel about the writers' choices.

to that end, the group episode sounds delightful.

I do hope he is over it and just trying to move on.    If so, I just don't know why the writers keep bringing it up and pointing the finger at Amy unless they are trying to draw sympathy for Sheldon.   

Hopefully with the karaoke and Sheldon flirting with Amy, this is the beginning of the end of the break up nonsense and the beginning of focusing on their new and improved relationship.

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2 hours ago, EvilStewie said:

^^  I didn't see it that way at all, he was pointing out he was working on Amy, nothing about what Amy has done for him. To drive that point home they added Leonard's line of " He never disappoints does he", and Penny's "Yesss"! 

To have said that he was the one more in need of 'work' would have meant admitting more to his grandmother than he wanted her to know.

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^^  I didn't see it that way at all, he was pointing out he was working on Amy, nothing about what Amy has done for him. To drive that point home they added Leonard's line of " He never disappoints does he", and Penny's "Yesss"! 

To have said that he was the one more in need of 'work' would have meant admitting more to his grandmother than he wanted her to know.

See, this is why I find that creepy. Granny just busts into their relationship, and Sheldon must have felt the need to hide his difficulties from her. They all know what happen and what Sheldon figured out, cause he told them...except granny! Why hide that from someone who thinks you poop rainbows?

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10 minutes ago, joyceraye said:

To have said that he was the one more in need of 'work' would have meant admitting more to his grandmother than he wanted her to know.

I really think that is the crux of the issue - he has had problems admitting his shortcomings in the past. He didn't want Amy to think of him as a failure and I think it's probably even worse with Meemaw so I'm not really surprised. I mean, can you imagine him basically admitting "You know, Meemaw, I'm a mess and I need Amy to get my shit together!"?? lol

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18 hours ago, Touche said:
18 hours ago, Touche said:

Agreed.  Also, when other fans mentioned Bill Prady tweeted asking how to say "Batcave" and "Fortress of Solitude" in French, I had a feeling a comic theme (Batman or Superman) episode was coming up.  Sheldon even called himself Batman during an early episode when he was trying not to divulge a secret to Leonard.  

I used to watch the Batman series with Adam West growing up (POW, WHAM), but I have never read comic books.  I started trying to lookup information and was reminded of the episode where Penny and Stuart return from a date and Sheldon's discusses with Stuart about who would replace Batman in the event of his death, Jason Todd or Dick Grayson (sp?).  However, the more I tried to understand comic book plot lines, the more confused I became.  Let's just say the number of variants for comic book plot lines make me regret complaining about the writing inconsistencies with TBBT.

 

hahaha....I hear you, as a former comic book store manager, I totally understand the crazy confusion with comic storylines and trying to follow them, in comparison BBT is very consistent....lol

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^^ your basically agreeing with me here, my point with that post was to point out Sheldon went back on what he said to save face, if it was anyone else who flipped flopped like that, we'd be questioning how much that person ment it when they said it originally. I really hate this episode went there!!

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