Ship Zone [Spoilers] Shamy: Season 9

[FortCozyMcBlanket]

Gonna add my 2 cents to the Shenny discussion!

From what I gathered from accounts of people who went to the taping, this scene was in fact the main climax of this episode, and here's why: 

The theme of the second half of season 9 has clearly been "Sheldon is growing up". He is taking his relationship with Amy more seriously, he is trying to better understand empathy and social cues, he is standing up to his Meemaw on behalf of his girlfriend, etc. And in this episode of "Sheldon Grows Up!", Sheldon gets over his hatred of birthdays. As people have been saying, the reason it had to be Penny to go in and comfort Sheldon is because she is surrogate Missy in this situation -- Missy made Sheldon hate his birthday to the point where even when his friends throw him a great party, he is still triggered by the trauma Missy caused him back when they were kids. As someone who deals with minor PTSD, I can tell you that the smallest and most random things (no matter how different they are from the traumatic event) can remind you of that trauma, and Sheldon felt that wave of anxiety when it hit him that they're celebrating his birthday. If Amy went in to comfort him, he would have come out and felt better because his loving girlfriend is there to calm him. If Leonard had gone in, Sheldon would eventually have come out because his buddy has his back in his time of anxiety. When Penny is the one to go in to talk to Sheldon, she fills Missy's role as sister who admits that she's sorry because back then she probably would've been a bully like Missy, but now that they're grown up she thinks he is one of the best people she knows. Sheldon accepts this as closure on the issue -- Leonard and Amy could have comforted him, but couldn't give him sisterly closure -- and now he can grow up and get over his aversion to celebrating his birthday. The writers make it clear that Penny is the good sister he never had, and when he comes out he tells Leonard that he is like a brother to him. And Amy makes her toast about how Sheldon being born is the best present she has ever gotten, and Sheldon (and the audience) is once again convinced that Shamy is solid, and this is the woman he is going to spend the rest of his life with. 

I do wish we get more onscreen Shamy growing together and I know we will, but because the writers want to continue to highlight their $3M investment, I think we will see more onscreen Lenny and Sheldon maturing, and we are expected to assume that even if it's offscreen, Shamy is growing together too. This episode was clearly about Sheldon moving on from another part of his childhood. Some people have shown disappointment in that 200 isn't a "milestone" episode plot-wise, but actually it really is! I think 200 is the turning point where Sheldon starts to reconcile with his childhood that is still holding him back, and where Lenny are portrayed as support to grow up as his brother and sister as opposed to enablers as parents... and I'm convinced this will get the ball rolling on a change in living arrangements! 

This is just my opinion based on the taping reports I've read, but I imagine I will feel even stronger about this when I see the episode  

And if there is ever ANY question to whether or not Shenny is better suited than Shamy, ahem... 

 

Edited February 10, 2016 by FortCozyMcBlanket
added Shamy goodness

[wowbagger]

I am not fretted about the shenny thing honestly, as a massive friendship 'shipper. Seriously, I am way more invested in Platonic!Shenny and PAmy (notice I didn't say platonic. This was deliberate. I could be persuaded, is all I am saying) than I am in the ShAmy. Heresy, I know, but I sort of am.

and for sure I would have gotten annoyed if the writers suddenly turned around and had Sheldon say 'Lenny WHO? All I want is Amy'. 'you ungrateful little shit', I would think. Thankfully the writers would never ever do that. So we had a nice little shenny moment, which sounds quite charming.

but. You knew there would be a but. I do sort of sympathise with everyone who points out that said shenny moment was achieved by slightly-very slightly-having Leonard and Amy go at each other like jealous fishwives. As I have said in the s9 thread, the really weird thing to me was leonard's suddenly fighting with Amy for the privilege of fishing Sheldon out of a loo. O-Kay... And yes, it did have the unfortunate consequence of making Leonard and Amy look like territorial twits while wise big sister penny rolled up her sleeves and got on with it. I get it, and I like that sheldon's adopted sister made up for the sins of his twin sister (hey, where were sheldon's folks, anyway?), but-yeah. I wanted the lovely shenny moment, but you could have maybe done it a little.less awkwardly?

but also, hey. Scientific icon wishing Sheldon a happy birthday. Baller gift, little lady.

[MJistheBOMB]

I have to admit that one of the things I was most happy about was the fact that Leslie Winkle was back! LOL. Before the taping I was thinking, "Please call him, Dumb Ass, please call him Dumb Ass." My dream has come true. I always loved her character. What a shame she left. I loved that she wasn't afraid to speak her mind and had that, "I'll let you keep your lunch money today...." type of attitude/sense of humor. 

Too bad we didn't see Zack back too! 

[Einstein Von Brainstorm]

9 minutes ago, Desdemona said:

Or Penny gets an offer for a role, but the movie unfortunately takes place in New Zealand or somewhere in the U.S. and the tapings take about 2 months. (just for example)

Penny decides to accept the offer, which Leonard is not happy about so they have a fight, but in the end Leonard not only accepts her decision but decides to accompany her and to take all his vacations he has left, to accompany his wife.

That is almost exactly where I see it heading!

[FortCozyMcBlanket]

1 hour ago, brilliantfool said:

Amy vs Leonard arguing about who should comfort Sheldon :

I didn't think it was to show us how Leonard is closer to Sheldon than his girlfriend is...
I didn't think it was just to occupy them to let the Shenny scene happen (they could have arrange for that same Shenny scene in a million different ways )...

I thought it was to show how much both Leonard and Amy love Sheldon, and to show Penny's sibling and protective and no f**ks to give attitude.. She wouldn't care for their 'who loves him more' bs, like an older sister she just went there and helped him feel better...

I also thought it was kind of more of Leonard's moment. I think some feelings of letting go and nostalgia kicked in, i think the moment was a milestone (Sheldon's 35th? birthday and his first 'big' birthday celebration since Shelnard live together..) and he's realized he's gonna let go of Sheldon soon, and that he has someone else in his life now who's the closest to him, that it's not him anymore. And I think he maybe didn't wanna admit that, to himself or to Amy.

this! this! this!

Leonard needs Sheldon as much as Sheldon needs him... but Sheldon is slowly growing up with Amy, and Leonard is terrified because he needs to be needed. He was unappreciated as a child, and I think we are going to see a Lenny development here where he needs Penny to need him. )And I think Leonard is going to be the reluctant father to give Sheldon away at his wedding ) lol

[Gbb]

8 minutes ago, FortCozyMcBlanket said:

Gonna add my 2 cents to the Shenny discussion!

From what I gathered from accounts of people who went to the taping, this scene was in fact the main climax of this episode, and here's why: 

The theme of the second half of season 9 has clearly been "Sheldon is growing up". He is taking his relationship with Amy more seriously, he is trying to better understand empathy and social cues, he is standing up to his Meemaw on behalf of his girlfriend, etc. And in this episode of "Sheldon Grows Up!", Sheldon gets over his hatred of birthdays. As people have been saying, the reason it had to be Penny to go in and comfort Sheldon is because she is surrogate Missy in this situation -- Missy made Sheldon hate his birthday to the point where even when his friends throw him a great party, he is still triggered by the trauma Missy caused him back when they were kids. As someone who deals with minor PTSD, I can tell you that the smallest and most random things (no matter how different they are from the traumatic event) can remind you of that trauma, and Sheldon felt that wave of anxiety when it hit him that they're celebrating his birthday. If Amy went in to comfort him, he would have come out and felt better because his loving girlfriend is there to calm him. If Leonard had gone in, Sheldon would eventually have come out because his buddy has his back in his time of anxiety. When Penny is the one to go in to talk to Sheldon, she fills Missy's role as sister who admits that she's sorry because back then she probably would've been a bully like Missy, but now that they're grown up she thinks he is one of the best people she knows. Sheldon accepts this as closure on the issue -- Leonard and Amy could have comforted him, but couldn't give him sisterly closure -- and now he can grow up and get over his aversion to celebrating his birthday. The writers make it clear that Penny is the good sister he never had, and when he comes out he tells Leonard that he is like a brother to him. And Amy makes her toast about how Sheldon being born is the best present she has ever gotten, and Sheldon (and the audience) is once again convinced that Shamy is solid, and this is the woman he is going to spend the rest of his life with. 

I do wish we get more onscreen Shamy growing together and I know we will, but because the writers want to continue to highlight their $3M investment, I think we will see more onscreen Lenny and Sheldon maturing, and we are expected to assume that even if it's offscreen, Shamy is growing together too. This episode was clearly about Sheldon moving on from another part of his childhood. Some people have shown disappointment in that 200 isn't a "milestone" episode plot-wise, but actually it really is! I think 200 is the turning point where Sheldon starts to reconcile with his childhood that is still holding him back, and where Lenny are portrayed as support to grow up as his brother and sister as opposed to enablers as parents... and I'm convinced this will get the ball rolling on a change in living arrangements! 

This is just my opinion based on the taping reports I've read, but I imagine I will feel even stronger about this when I see the episode  

I'd like to cosign this and pretend I wrote i, 'kay? Thx.

[Soopysue]

21 minutes ago, FortCozyMcBlanket said:

Gonna add my 2 cents to the Shenny discussion!

From what I gathered from accounts of people who went to the taping, this scene was in fact the main climax of this episode, and here's why: 

The theme of the second half of season 9 has clearly been "Sheldon is growing up". He is taking his relationship with Amy more seriously, he is trying to better understand empathy and social cues, he is standing up to his Meemaw on behalf of his girlfriend, etc. And in this episode of "Sheldon Grows Up!", Sheldon gets over his hatred of birthdays. As people have been saying, the reason it had to be Penny to go in and comfort Sheldon is because she is surrogate Missy in this situation -- Missy made Sheldon hate his birthday to the point where even when his friends throw him a great party, he is still triggered by the trauma Missy caused him back when they were kids. As someone who deals with minor PTSD, I can tell you that the smallest and most random things (no matter how different they are from the traumatic event) can remind you of that trauma, and Sheldon felt that wave of anxiety when it hit him that they're celebrating his birthday. If Amy went in to comfort him, he would have come out and felt better because his loving girlfriend is there to calm him. If Leonard had gone in, Sheldon would eventually have come out because his buddy has his back in his time of anxiety. When Penny is the one to go in to talk to Sheldon, she fills Missy's role as sister who admits that she's sorry because back then she probably would've been a bully like Missy, but now that they're grown up she thinks he is one of the best people she knows. Sheldon accepts this as closure on the issue -- Leonard and Amy could have comforted him, but couldn't give him sisterly closure -- and now he can grow up and get over his aversion to celebrating his birthday. The writers make it clear that Penny is the good sister he never had, and when he comes out he tells Leonard that he is like a brother to him. And Amy makes her toast about how Sheldon being born is the best present she has ever gotten, and Sheldon (and the audience) is once again convinced that Shamy is solid, and this is the woman he is going to spend the rest of his life with. 

I do wish we get more onscreen Shamy growing together and I know we will, but because the writers want to continue to highlight their $3M investment, I think we will see more onscreen Lenny and Sheldon maturing, and we are expected to assume that even if it's offscreen, Shamy is growing together too. This episode was clearly about Sheldon moving on from another part of his childhood. Some people have shown disappointment in that 200 isn't a "milestone" episode plot-wise, but actually it really is! I think 200 is the turning point where Sheldon starts to reconcile with his childhood that is still holding him back, and where Lenny are portrayed as support to grow up as his brother and sister as opposed to enablers as parents... and I'm convinced this will get the ball rolling on a change in living arrangements! 

This is just my opinion based on the taping reports I've read, but I imagine I will feel even stronger about this when I see the episode  

And if there is ever ANY question to whether or not Shenny is better suited than Shamy, ahem... 

 

Excellent explanation. 

I really want Sheldon to kick Lenny out - maybe as a result of he and Amy being unable to get enough "alone time " or just time together - I'd really like it to come from Sheldon.

Plus I love this gif, this kiss is just amazing !!! 

[camelliayao]

If they want to show us how much people love Sheldon, they could've let Penny and Leonard argue about who should comfort Sheldon. Not a weird argument between a guy's girlfriend and his best friend.

[Desdemona]

20 minutes ago, FortCozyMcBlanket said:

this! this! this!

Leonard needs Sheldon as much as Sheldon needs him... but Sheldon is slowly growing up with Amy, and Leonard is terrified because he needs to be needed. He was unappreciated as a child, and I think we are going to see a Lenny development here where he needs Penny to need him. )And I think Leonard is going to be the reluctant father to give Sheldon away at his wedding ) lol

LOL This reminds me of the episode, where Penny asks Leonard what he wants to eat, and he doesn´t know because he got so used to Sheldon´s eating habits, that he doesn´t know what he should eat without consulting Sheldon first!

He didn´t even want to sign the dissolution of the Room Mate Agreement in the first place.

It would be hilarious if it were Leonard who couldn´t cut the ropes and  would still look for Sheldon´s advice and company. From time to time of course not always.

 

[FortCozyMcBlanket]

3 minutes ago, camelliayao said:

If they want to show us how much people love Sheldon, they could've let Penny and Leonard argue about who should comfort Sheldon. Not a weird argument between a guy's girlfriend and his best friend.

I think they worked this out perfectly actually because it was similar to the Meemaw fight. Leonard and Amy represent Sheldon's history and Sheldon's mature future respectively. Leonard was fighting because he has a past with Sheldon and wants to be the one to comfort his buddy like he always has (and cause Leonard needs to be needed), and Amy is fighting because she has a future with Sheldon and wants to help Sheldon move on from his past anxiety. Penny had to be the one to go in because the problem could only be solved by Missy (or pseudo-Missy: Penny). Problem solved; Sheldon achievement unlocked: no longer completely traumatized by his birthday! 

[brilliantfool]

43 minutes ago, FortCozyMcBlanket said:

Gonna add my 2 cents to the Shenny discussion!

From what I gathered from accounts of people who went to the taping, this scene was in fact the main climax of this episode, and here's why: 

The theme of the second half of season 9 has clearly been "Sheldon is growing up". He is taking his relationship with Amy more seriously, he is trying to better understand empathy and social cues, he is standing up to his Meemaw on behalf of his girlfriend, etc. And in this episode of "Sheldon Grows Up!", Sheldon gets over his hatred of birthdays. As people have been saying, the reason it had to be Penny to go in and comfort Sheldon is because she is surrogate Missy in this situation -- Missy made Sheldon hate his birthday to the point where even when his friends throw him a great party, he is still triggered by the trauma Missy caused him back when they were kids. As someone who deals with minor PTSD, I can tell you that the smallest and most random things (no matter how different they are from the traumatic event) can remind you of that trauma, and Sheldon felt that wave of anxiety when it hit him that they're celebrating his birthday. If Amy went in to comfort him, he would have come out and felt better because his loving girlfriend is there to calm him. If Leonard had gone in, Sheldon would eventually have come out because his buddy has his back in his time of anxiety. When Penny is the one to go in to talk to Sheldon, she fills Missy's role as sister who admits that she's sorry because back then she probably would've been a bully like Missy, but now that they're grown up she thinks he is one of the best people she knows. Sheldon accepts this as closure on the issue -- Leonard and Amy could have comforted him, but couldn't give him sisterly closure -- and now he can grow up and get over his aversion to celebrating his birthday. The writers make it clear that Penny is the good sister he never had, and when he comes out he tells Leonard that he is like a brother to him. And Amy makes her toast about how Sheldon being born is the best present she has ever gotten, and Sheldon (and the audience) is once again convinced that Shamy is solid, and this is the woman he is going to spend the rest of his life with. 

I do wish we get more onscreen Shamy growing together and I know we will, but because the writers want to continue to highlight their $3M investment, I think we will see more onscreen Lenny and Sheldon maturing, and we are expected to assume that even if it's offscreen, Shamy is growing together too. This episode was clearly about Sheldon moving on from another part of his childhood. Some people have shown disappointment in that 200 isn't a "milestone" episode plot-wise, but actually it really is! I think 200 is the turning point where Sheldon starts to reconcile with his childhood that is still holding him back, and where Lenny are portrayed as support to grow up as his brother and sister as opposed to enablers as parents... and I'm convinced this will get the ball rolling on a change in living arrangements! 

This is just my opinion based on the taping reports I've read, but I imagine I will feel even stronger about this when I see the episode  

And if there is ever ANY question to whether or not Shenny is better suited than Shamy, ahem... 

 

You've actually made me cry

I feel so happy and so sad for Sheldon at the same time...  

[Einstein Von Brainstorm]

1 minute ago, FortCozyMcBlanket said:

I think they worked this out perfectly actually because it was similar to the Meemaw fight. Leonard and Amy represent Sheldon's history and Sheldon's mature future respectively. Leonard was fighting because he has a past with Sheldon and wants to be the one to comfort his buddy like he always has (and cause Leonard needs to be needed), and Amy is fighting because she has a future with Sheldon and wants to help Sheldon move on from his past anxiety. Penny had to be the one to go in because the problem could only be solved by Missy (or pseudo-Missy: Penny). Problem solved; Sheldon achievement unlocked: no longer completely traumatized by his birthday! 

I wouldn't mind seeing Missy back you know!  

[FortCozyMcBlanket]

2 minutes ago, brilliantfool said:

You've actually made me cry

I feel so happy and so sad for Sheldon at the same time...  

I have a feeling this episode is gonna make me cry! 

and good lord I KNOW the Shamy proposal will make me cry! 

[brilliantfool]

1 hour ago, Einstein Von Brainstorm said:

Same, I have done exactly zero work today!

Same here, zero work accomplished today, just sleep eat and read this thread lol

I've always thought being a freelancer is great but last 6 months that i got into Shamy i am not so sure anymore

[Desdemona]

4 minutes ago, FortCozyMcBlanket said:

I have a feeling this episode is gonna make me cry! 

and good lord I KNOW the Shamy proposal will make me cry! 

That´s for sure! I have to make sure that I´ll have enough tissues at home for that moment.

[2L344]

3 hours ago, Einstein Von Brainstorm said:

So after Amy talking him into a Party, her helping him with his tie and asking to see him naked the Sheldon and Penny talk in the bathroom ruined all that for you?  

I thought Leonard and Amy arguing over who's place it was to comfort Sheldon was funny and kinda sweet not long after an episode when literally everyone was trying to get away from him cus he was sick and now he has people fighting over who is closer!

Yes absolutely, I'm glad to read that the 200th has everyone choosing to pat Sheldon on the back rather than kick him in the pants! Very much looking forward to a simply fun episode with no one appearing gloomy (except maybe Stuart for not learning of Bernie's pregnancy from howardette).

Edited February 10, 2016 by 2L344

[Desdemona]

I don´t know who will cry louder when Shamy is going marry? Leonard or Raj? Or me?

I want to see Shamy marry so desperately!

Sheldon waiting for his lady at the altar, his look full of love and happiness, while Amy walks slowly down the hall towards him, while they play "The Way She Looks Tonight". *The feels*

 

[MAH_B]

27 minutes ago, FortCozyMcBlanket said:

I think they worked this out perfectly actually because it was similar to the Meemaw fight. Leonard and Amy represent Sheldon's history and Sheldon's mature future respectively. Leonard was fighting because he has a past with Sheldon and wants to be the one to comfort his buddy like he always has (and cause Leonard needs to be needed), and Amy is fighting because she has a future with Sheldon and wants to help Sheldon move on from his past anxiety. Penny had to be the one to go in because the problem could only be solved by Missy (or pseudo-Missy: Penny). Problem solved; Sheldon achievement unlocked: no longer completely traumatized by his birthday! 

Yes! Nailed it.

source: http://ms-opinion.tumblr.com/post/108700660339/i-know-because-i-won-both-of-them

Edited February 10, 2016 by MAH_B

[Einstein Von Brainstorm]

8 minutes ago, 2L344 said:

Yes absolutely,

I'm snipping so that when you edit that spelling mistake it won't be reposted

 

It looks like 'Sheldon becomes a real live boy!' is the theme of this season (hopefully cus they need to grow him up before he marries his cute little ball of wool!) so I don't expect the last 7 (is it seven?) episodes to be entirely smooth sailing for him/the gang BUT it does look like the second half of the season is gonna be lighter and I'm loving that thought right now!  

[2L344]

12 minutes ago, Einstein Von Brainstorm said:

I'm snipping so that when you edit that spelling mistake it won't be reposted

 

It looks like 'Sheldon becomes a real live boy!' is the theme of this season (hopefully cus they need to grow him up before he marries his cute little ball of wool!) so I don't expect the last 7 (is it seven?) episodes to be entirely smooth sailing for him/the gang BUT it does look like the second half of the season is gonna be lighter and I'm loving that thought right now!  

Lol dammit all, why would spellcheck change pregnancy to organ lol?? I changed it now....

[camelliayao]

23 minutes ago, FortCozyMcBlanket said:

I think they worked this out perfectly actually because it was similar to the Meemaw fight. Leonard and Amy represent Sheldon's history and Sheldon's mature future respectively. Leonard was fighting because he has a past with Sheldon and wants to be the one to comfort his buddy like he always has (and cause Leonard needs to be needed), and Amy is fighting because she has a future with Sheldon and wants to help Sheldon move on from his past anxiety. Penny had to be the one to go in because the problem could only be solved by Missy (or pseudo-Missy: Penny). Problem solved; Sheldon achievement unlocked: no longer completely traumatized by his birthday! 

What you said makes a lot of sense in a perfect world.

However, I don't really believe that was the writers' intention. IMO they have no plan of using the 200th to represent Sheldon saying goodbye to the past. To me what they did in the episode was really just a tribute to the show's first few seasons. That's why they did the hug. They did those things because it'll attract many viewers. Nothing more. There won't be any follow-ups with this"saying goodbye to the past" storyline. Just like Meemaw episode and coitus episode, we all thought they had a plan. But so far, nothing, zilch.

I don't think they'll ever change Sheldon that much to a point he becomes a grown up. In fact, I bet Lenny moving out won't happen any time soon. Because it's Sheldon's story, not Shamy's. And nobody wants to see a grown-up, responsible Sheldon.

[Susana Alcira]

On ‎04‎/‎02‎/‎2016 at 10:32 PM, S.L Farrell said:

 

 

 

Shamies, in what page of the DT is the TR, please??  THANK YOU!

Edited February 10, 2016 by Susana Alcira

[Einstein Von Brainstorm]

9 minutes ago, 2L344 said:

Lol dammit all, why would spellcheck change pregnancy to organ lol?? I changed it now....

Just to mess with you!

It's the machines man! THEY'RE MESSING WITH US ALL!

[Esteben Feynman]

Have no fear! There are still 7 episodes left. I believe that we will see a shamy engagement, a Lenny relocation to 4B and Amy moving in for the season finale. I still have faith that the writers know what they're doing.

[hazelra7]

You guys all know that ANY Shenny gives me the vapors, even the friendship stuff, but that is my own deal.  But I wanted to say, the hug reminded me a lot of the hugs she had given him in the past: "Sheldon...You're gonna hate, but I am doing it anyway..."  Like an evolution of Penny's hugs shows growth of Sheldon as  more comfortable with accepting physical affection. Not in a hubba hubba way, I Need to make that clear.  LIKE SO CLEAR.

  So in my Shamy mind, I am switching the Shenny hug to the evolution of Sheldon and that's all in part to the dryer sheet of his heart.  

Think about the hugs:  Spock napkin, when Penny said he could go to Cern, when he took off on his train trip.  He is getting better and better with accepting platonic affection and through it, possibly empathy and willingness to use affection to show emotions.  

Anyway, I needed to rethink any Shenny to cleanse.  It was NOTHING sexual other than Penny's ridiculous fan service dress.  I really think the writers put it in there JUST to show how much Sheldon has grown and a call back to ALL the Penny and Sheldon's hugs.  The Spock napkin hug was A HUGE deal when it happened.  This will be like that... Just an awww, Sheldon is so sweet, not an UGHHGGH why didn't he hug Amy like that!  Because let's be honest.  After "a Few Hours" of Coitus, there was enough hugging.