Ship Zone [Spoilers] Shamy: Season 9

[Trinabeana78]

Thanks guys. I'm sure I'll have a good time, regardless of how the episode turns out. I went to a few tapings last year and it's always really great just to be there and see all the cast in their element.

And of course I'll share spoilers. I doubt I'll write up a full on taping report, but I'll do a detailed as possible summary and answer any questions. I know how much most people want spoilers (myself included) and most will never have a chance to get to a taping. I also know that the majority of the folks on here hopefully aren't the types to tweet craziness to Bill if they're unhappy with what's shared. I'll be on here as soon as I can after I get out of the taping.

[Juni]

Thanks guys. I'm sure I'll have a good time, regardless of how the episode turns out. I went to a few tapings last year and it's always really great just to be there and see all the cast in their element.

And of course I'll share spoilers. I doubt I'll write up a full on taping report, but I'll do a detailed as possible summary and answer any questions. I know how much most people want spoilers (myself included) and most will never have a chance to get to a taping. I also know that the majority of the folks on here hopefully aren't the types to tweet craziness to Bill if they're unhappy with what's shared. I'll be on here as soon as I can after I get out of the taping.

That's really sweet of you! I'm looking forward to it. No worries, I won't tweet anything (actually I don't even have twitter/facebook/IG).

Edited August 22, 2015 by Juni

[Luna18]

Thank you in advance Trinabeana 

[Juni]

Concerning Amy and Sheldon, I imagine it this way:

When Sheldon bothers Amy again, she'll give him a speech. Maybe something along these lines..

Sheldon, I really need time to think and I can't do this with you around. It's just that I'm struggling with our relationship, not because I don't love you or don't wanna be with you, no, it's quite the opposite. But right now I'm wondering if you feel the same way or if I'm pushing you into something you don't even want. Maybe you should think about this, too. Do you want this? Once you have contemplated this and are ready to tell me how you feel - I mean really feel, then we'll talk. Until that happens please respect my wish to not communicate.

Something like this but in more eloquent words..

[Amy Fowler]

And of course I'll share spoilers. I doubt I'll write up a full on taping report, but I'll do a detailed as possible summary and answer any questions. I know how much most people want spoilers (myself included) and most will never have a chance to get to a taping. I also know that the majority of the folks on here hopefully aren't the types to tweet craziness to Bill if they're unhappy with what's shared. I'll be on here as soon as I can after I get out of the taping.

[Juni]

Perfect!

[mysteryrose10]

http://disgruntledvillager.tumblr.com/post/127341071355/sheldon-and-amy
she has some interesting points on the Amy character

[A Shamy gal]

http://disgruntledvillager.tumblr.com/post/127341071355/sheldon-and-amy
she has some interesting points on the Amy character

Well some things I agree with, some I don't.

[mysteryrose10]

Well some things I agree with, some I don't.

which part do you agree with

[stardustmelody]

http://disgruntledvillager.tumblr.com/post/127341071355/sheldon-and-amy
she has some interesting points on the Amy character

I think her youth is showing through and she forgets this is first of all fictional, second a sitcom and many things are done for comedic purpose, and third, that circumstances in real life often don't often reflect the reality of who a person is.   Hormones come into play and take over at times and can change a perspective that you normally would have a calm and rational way about.   Amy shows this at times, so does Sheldon.  So yeah...this girl is young and doesn't understand a lot of things.

Yes, the writers have messed around with ALL of the characters, but definitely Sheldon, Amy, Penny and Leonard the most.   They have made them irrational at times and seemingly OCC, but then they have also grown them and shown them to be back to characters we once recognized.  It is just part of what comes with fictional characters in shows that are meant to entertain.  

I think her blaming Amy (or Sheldon) specifically as if it is one person's fault is wrong.  Both bring issues to the table and both bring hang-ups and other things to the table.   The idea is to show that people do come to relationships with baggage, they do sometimes not even realize their own true issues and things they have been suppressing and they often can become uncharacteristic under certain circumstances.  Real life is often that way.   The show does a good job of showing that, while still trying to remain entertaining.  Neither are perfect, are saints or are incapable of being a bit "dense" at times.  Both may be geniuses but even geniuses are often very weak on common sense and most are far from street savvy.  

Again, I think the show portrays that well in both characters.  What Amy views as "normal" isn't maybe reality and it is her lack of knowing reality that skews her view, as well as her resorting to fictional resources for a basis.   Same with Sheldon...he may understand more than we think and often he has shown us that, but he also can be "dense" at times even though he is normally brilliant.    It is kind of true in real life for geniuses.   I don't think they are poorly portrayed or written to be honest  I think they have done a good job of showing that part pretty close to real life and yet still be entertaining.   

So I disagree with a lot of her comments, while some may seem rational, she still has not taken the first three points into consideration and is expecting something that likely will never be on a fictional sitcom.

Edited August 22, 2015 by stardustmelody

[A Shamy gal]

which part do you agree with

That would be the Sheldon isn't perfect and how he's more sexist lately, which I had noticed.  I certainly disagree that Amy hasn't been patient with him and hasn't explained things to him.  She's been nothing but patient and does explain things to him.

Edited August 22, 2015 by A Shamy gal

[Luna18]

Each character is flawed and they are all open to interpretation by fans. People who like the character will prefer seeing their goodness while those who hate them will rather see their bad traits. I don't think there's two people who will have the exact same opinion of what a character is like. Is Sheldon an obnoxious, selfish jerk or just a sympathetic man-child who doesn't realize how mean he can be at times? Is Bernadette a genuinely sweet girl who has to put up with a childish husband or a progressively meaner, shorter-tempered shrew? I think all the characters have had OOC moments depending on the situation and the writer, which makes it all the more difficult to describe how they are. At the end of the day, the best we can do is agree to disagree and respect each other's opinions.

[mysteryrose10]

That would be the Sheldon isn't perfect and how he's more sexist lately, which I had noticed.  I certainly disagree that Amy hasn't been patient with him and hasn't explained things to him.  She's been nothing but patient and does explain things to him.

well sure after she yells at him like she has to understand that Sheldon doesn't know when he does something wrong

[A Shamy gal]

well sure after she yells at him like she has to understand that Sheldon doesn't know when he does something wrong

She normally yells at him when he's been annoying.  When he kept going on about which game console to get for instance.  Even though it annoyed the hell of her, she still when with him to buy it and still stuck it out when he first changed his mind and then couldn't decide.  I'd have left him there.    

I would also like to add that I don't believe there is just a thing as perfect anyway.... unless it's perfectly boring that is.

Edited August 22, 2015 by A Shamy gal

[Musickat18]

I agree with Star that the girl's inexperience shows through at times, but I also agree that Amy has a tendency to blow up at him. The times when she patiently explains things to Sheldon are usually when he's been annoying to other characters, rather than her. One of my biggest "problems" with Amy is her expectation that Sheldon will magically know what she's expecting of him and then blow up at him, or just generally get upset, when he doesn't meet that expectation. That's not a fair thing to do to any person, let alone someone like Sheldon who has such a difficult time reading people as it is. I'm not a fan of bashing either character, as they both have valid reasons to get upset at the other, but that is definitely my biggest pet peeve regarding Amy. My observation of the fandom through the years has shown quite a few people who like to vilify Sheldon anytime something goes wrong in the relationship and while it usually is his fault for doing XYZ, that isn't always the case. Anyway, I'm perilously close to going off on another tangent so I'll wrap this up by saying that I agree more than disagree with that tumblr user's assessment. (Though I don't necessarily share ALL her views)

Edited August 23, 2015 by Musickat18

[Chelle]

Thanks guys. I'm sure I'll have a good time, regardless of how the episode turns out. I went to a few tapings last year and it's always really great just to be there and see all the cast in their element.

And of course I'll share spoilers. I doubt I'll write up a full on taping report, but I'll do a detailed as possible summary and answer any questions. I know how much most people want spoilers (myself included) and most will never have a chance to get to a taping. I also know that the majority of the folks on here hopefully aren't the types to tweet craziness to Bill if they're unhappy with what's shared. I'll be on here as soon as I can after I get out of the taping.

I don't give a crap tweeting Bill,I just WANT/NEED the spoilers! :rolleyes: Enjoy watching the taping! Sent from my SM-T110 using Tapatalk

[vonmar]

I've said it before..Amy is not a victim nor a villain, neither is Sheldon. The writers took them down a path where they will determine their future....in the 9th season, it needed to happen.

[jenafan]

http://disgruntledvillager.tumblr.com/post/127341071355/sheldon-and-amy
she has some interesting points on the Amy character

Everyone's entitled to their opinion, but I feel the comments about how disrespectful the show has been to Sheldon is in itself disrespectful by the tone and choice of words used to express that opinion.

While some good points were made, the fact is that neither Amy nor Sheldon have been perfect or the best to each other in their relationship.  Amy is not innocent of manipulation or lying to Sheldon, and Sheldon is definitely not innocent of some negligence and verbal abuse toward Amy.    These, however, do not have to be deal breakers so-to-speak.    When you take into consideration how much these two have in common, the good that they bring out in each other, their friendship, and the fact that they enjoy each others' company, it is easier to cover over the mistakes, intentional or not.     

I like that Shamy's relationship sends a message that no matter how broken two people are individually, there can still be love and successful commitment between those who are willing to make it work, and sex doesn't have to be the glue to keep it together.    Relationships are not perfect, and people are not always consistent.  Experiences and life changes people.  

It seems the matter at hand is that the characters of Amy and Sheldon have changed and how this was not necessary.   Well, Penny said it best in The Table Polarization.   Relationships change people.   I don't think it is fair to want to put individuals into a specific mold so that they are deprived of the joy of experiencing love, enhanced friendships, understanding, and quality of life improvements that come with growth and development.    Who can say they are the same person they were 10 years ago?   A successful partnership stems from those who grow together through those changes, good times and bad, and during the times when the one you love has hurt you the most.  

A comment is made regarding Amy keeping things in until she explodes, while I don't mean any harm or offense, women are known to be guilty of this.  We expect our men to be able to read our minds and get mad or emotional when they can't figure out what we are thinking, want, or need.   This is not sexist but a difference between men and women.   Furthermore, she is not asking for space from Sheldon to push him into sex, she is trying to help him see how his selfishness is causing a division between them.  In this area, she needs to learn how to better communicate with him in a language that he understands, without sarcasm.  

As far as Sheldon becoming sexist is concerned, I disagree.  He used to have no deal.  He had no need to make distinctions between the sexes.   Now that he is in a relationship, things such a emotions, women's biological functions, reproduction, and his own needs as a male are more apparent to him.   Nonetheless, even before Amy, he made comments about Penny and her time of the month and urges several times.   I could be wrong, but I think everything he says is factual, though inappropriate at times.   I don't think Sheldon's intention is to imply that men and women are not equal, only different.

Regarding the butt slapping, I am not so sure that Sheldon did not know that Amy was enjoying the spanking, as he did comment that "you are not supposed to be enjoying this" but then let it go.    While I don't disagree that Amy took advantage of Sheldon's innocence of the sexual connotation here, Sheldon also got the satisfaction out of believing he was punishing her for lying.  This was a mutual win.   Regarding the drunk butt slap, I believe this was IC for Sheldon.   When he is drunk, he becomes less inhibited.   This was no doubt behavior that he had witnessed from his father toward his mother growing up.    Amy's facial expression at the end indicated her enjoyment and acceptance of this.   As hard as it is for us to understand, I feel that this butt slapping is a form of affection between these two and there is no harm in it, if it is something they both agree to and no one is getting hurt by it.   I want to reiterate that I am not condoning or promoting physical abuse of any kind, and I don't think the writers were either.

Shamy are going through a rough patch right now.  I agree with another commenter on this forum.   This seems like a drawn out argument more than a break up. They will get through this, but here's a revelation, Amy is still going to manipulate and Sheldon is still going to make inappropriate comments.   They aren't going to suddenly change who they are, but they will learn to work through it together with more understanding and communication.   They will still be unique, quirky, and all the things we love about them, but with growth.  

I think the writer's have done a good job, in general.  They have gotten our attention, and whether we are disappointed in an outcome they have written for our favorite couple or not, it is enough to cause this forum to break records in commentary from those invested in the relationship.  People threaten to stop watching the show, but in reality, most will keep doing so because they need to know what is going to happen.    Frankly without the addition of new characters and personality development, I don't think TBBT would still be on the air.   The audience would have gotten bored and stopped watching then. 

Edited August 23, 2015 by jenafan

[walnutcowboy]

 Don't give up the "SHIP" (LOL) !

[kazzie]

I've had a lot of time to digest the current story line, And I have concluded, As hard as it is to watch (Yes, I have been in tears already this season at a taping) I actually really like what is happening right now.

Amy is standing her ground and Sheldon is fighting for her.. I mean he won't leave her alone or back down. In a roundabout way, It's kind of what we have been screaming for. Sheldon desperate for her and showing it. And we know the results are going to blow our minds and Sheldon's pun intended. 

As for the secret but not so secret scene.. I legitimately know and knew nothing of it. But I'm going to take a swing at a guess..

Sheldon was going to propose on their 5th anniversary. That night after the break, He call's Mary, explains what happens and convinces Mary that he is serious about her, 'Look I even bought a ring'. Mary recognises his love tells him to pursue her anyway possible and not give up on her as she is the only woman that could bare him.. But to Sheldon.. Anyway possible is the wrong way.

There are so many idea's going around. I have thought of so many scenario's in my head. We are kinda being made to be spoiler free on this.. which is mean and exciting at the same time!

Bravo writers! 

Edited August 23, 2015 by kazzie

[Susana Alcira]

Kazzie, you are Great!!!

[vonmar]

I still think it is a family ring, that Sheldon got from Mary when she came to visit.  How about she Skypes him at the end of the premier to see how the proposal went, he admits to failure and she encourages him to pursue her... which he fails at, hard...God, I want these two back together soon.

[kazzie]

I still think it is a family ring, that Sheldon got from Mary when she came to visit.  How about she Skypes him at the end of the premier to see how the proposal went, he admits to failure and she encourages him to pursue her... which he fails at, hard...God, I want these two back together soon.

So we are kinda on the same page  

[TheShamyShipper]

With this new spoiler about Mary being in the scene and the reveal about the ring still taking place in the premiere, I definitely agree with those who think that this will be some sort of Skype call between Sheldon and his mother.  It can either be her calling to check how the proposal went or him revealing to her that he was going to propose.  Either way, he's going to have to tell his mother that he failed and that Amy left him, which I'm sure will be very hard for him.  And then his mother, in true Mary style, will tell him to get off his butt and go after that girl because she's the best thing that's ever happened to him.  And deep down, Sheldon knows this.

It would explain how we jumped from anger at the end of the premiere to him still going after her in episode two, because there's a missing tag scene that ties it all together.  And now Sheldon is trying with renewed vigor and has no idea how to do this right.  It's endearing and sweet and it's nice to see him work for it after all the work and patience Amy has put in.  That's not to say that she's been perfect this whole relationship either, but she's been the one pursuing him most of the time, and I'm one of those fans who thinks it's great to see the tables turned a little bit.  I agree with the comments that this won't drag out too long because the writers know Shamy is their cash cow.  But at the same time, they're also aware that certain things need to be fixed in their relationship before they can truly move forward together in a happy, healthy way.  That's what this breakup period is all about.  And as I keep saying, the fact that Sheldon is still pursuing her lends so much damn hope, because it tells me that he won't give up until he has her back.  The writers know what they're doing, and although I get nervous and anxious at times about this, I trust them.  They love Shamy.  They know how much WE love Shamy.  And this whole plotline is to fix what needs to be fixed and move Sheldon into a place--in a believable manner--where he desires intimacy with Amy and is a bit more mindful of treating her right.  And it's also going to move Amy into a place where she will be more willing and comfortable expressing her needs and knowing that she doesn't have to tiptoe around him any longer.  Isn't this what most of us have been wanting?  We've been waiting and waiting and WAITING for coitus and various other things, and this is the plotline that will lead us there.  I know it's hard to watch them be apart for a while because we all love them so much and want them back together, but when they do reunite, it really will be explosive.  I really have no doubt of that.  It's hard for me to wait because I'm not a patient person, but I know the payoff will all be worth it in the end.

[Musickat18]

I really like the idea of the ring being a family ring, but won't be sirprised if it isn't. It would also make sense that Sheldon would call Mary about the non-engagement if it were a family ring. I mean, not that he wouldn't call her anyway, but if he was going to propose and Mary knew because either she gave him the ring when she visited or helped him pick it out (another favorite idea) it would make sense that he'd call to tell her about the break. I'm not sure what I expect them to say specifically, but I do think that Mary is the reason he went from depressed to crazily going after Amy. I'm looking forward to seeing how everything plays out. Is it September yet?! :D

Edited August 23, 2015 by Musickat18