Ship Zone [Spoilers] Shamy: Season 9

[Ranger Rosa]

This Mary's scene will be taped at next tuesday, in front of a live audience, pre-taped or what?

[Musickat18]

This Mary's scene will be taped at next tuesday, in front of a live audience, pre-taped or what?

We're not sure. Most likely it'll be taped a different day, because Laurie is in NYC which is 3 hours ahead of L.A. 

Edited August 23, 2015 by Musickat18

[stardustmelody]

This Mary's scene will be taped at next tuesday, in front of a live audience, pre-taped or what?

I suspect is may have already been pre-taped by now.   If not, I am fairly certain it will be a pre-tape only because of logistics having to be just right.  She won't be able to be in the studio so they will have to work around her schedule.

[teletalk101]

In terms of the ring, I'd like to believe that Sheldon picked it himself. While the idea that Mary gave it to him or helped him with it in some way is sweet, I think it would show much more growth in Sheldon as a person and a character if it was all him. To me, it's more significant if Sheldon determined he was ready to commit to Amy like that on his own and then went to select a ring by himself.  

Both versions of Sheldon coming to have this engagement ring have merit, would fit well with the story and I think would be loved by the audience. I just feel that if Mary were to have given him the ring it would kind of be like someone pushing him to propose, you know? As if he was only thinking about it because the idea had been directly placed in his head by his mother when she said something to the effect of "I want you to have this. It belonged to your [insert family member here]". Yes, he was probably coming to the conclusion he wanted to marry Amy anyway, but like I said, Mary giving him a ring would kind of be that push when he wasn't fully ready. I like the idea of him knowing he wanted to marry her and taking steps to make it happen. Even if he ASKED Mary for the ring, knowing it was a family member's and she had it in a drawer somewhere.

[Musickat18]

 

In terms of the ring, I'd like to believe that Sheldon picked it himself. While the idea that Mary gave it to him or helped him with it in some way is sweet, I think it would show much more growth in Sheldon as a person and a character if it was all him. To me, it's more significant if Sheldon determined he was ready to commit to Amy like that on his own and then went to select a ring by himself.  

Both versions of Sheldon coming to have this engagement ring have merit, would fit well with the story and I think would be loved by the audience. I just feel that if Mary were to have given him the ring it would kind of be like someone pushing him to propose, you know? As if he was only thinking about it because the idea had been directly placed in his head by his mother when she said something to the effect of "I want you to have this. It belonged to your [insert family member here]". Yes, he was probably coming to the conclusion he wanted to marry Amy anyway, but like I said, Mary giving him a ring would kind of be that push when he wasn't fully ready. I like the idea of him knowing he wanted to marry her and taking steps to make it happen. Even if he ASKED Mary for the ring, knowing it was a family member's and she had it in a drawer somewhere.

When it comes to the ring and how Sheldon came upon it, I find I'm not that picky. Lol I like the idea that he thought of it all himself. But like you said, he could have also mentioned it to Mary and she could have brought the ring herself. Or maybe at some point Meemaw said she wanted him to have a family ring and Sheldon had Mary bring it with her when she visited. WHO KNOWS!? Lol nearly any scenario has me happy. 

Edited August 23, 2015 by Musickat18

[mirs1]

I like very much the idea that the ring was a family ring and Sheldon"s mother brought it from Texas because Sheldon asked her to do so, after he made up his mind on his future life with amy. I don't want to have high expectations right now, but i can't help to create wanderful scenarios in my mind!!!!

 

Edited August 23, 2015 by mirs1

[Arduina]

Well IF Mary gave him Meamaw's ring when she came for Sheldon and Leonard's paper ...

Maybe she's just keeping updated on it like "so how did it go? Does she like it?".

Yeah I know ... Meamaw's ring AGAIN

Edited August 23, 2015 by Arduina

[Juni]

I can also imagine Meemaw giving Seldon the ring for his sweet little lady. I'm not really convinced that Sheldon planned on proposing to Amy on their 5th Anniversary. That seems lank rushed. Maybe Meemaw (or Mary for that matter) intended for him to think about marriage by giving him the ring (which is a smart move, imo). He's certainly done that and might have been distracted due to that fact, on their 5th Anniversary. Somehow I also don't see Sheldon calling his Mom for advise after his rant about women in the final scene (assuming the Skype call is tag). I can picture Leonard calling her because he's worried about Sheldon. At least that could count as advice because I'm still wondering about the lack of that from his friends.

[A Shamy gal]

Everyone's entitled to their opinion, but I feel the comments about how disrespectful the show has been to Sheldon is in itself disrespectful by the tone and choice of words used to express that opinion.

While some good points were made, the fact is that neither Amy nor Sheldon have been perfect or the best to each other in their relationship.  Amy is not innocent of manipulation or lying to Sheldon, and Sheldon is definitely not innocent of some negligence and verbal abuse toward Amy.    These, however, do not have to be deal breakers so-to-speak.    When you take into consideration how much these two have in common, the good that they bring out in each other, their friendship, and the fact that they enjoy each others' company, it is easier to cover over the mistakes, intentional or not.     

I like that Shamy's relationship sends a message that no matter how broken two people are individually, there can still be love and successful commitment between those who are willing to make it work, and sex doesn't have to be the glue to keep it together.    Relationships are not perfect, and people are not always consistent.  Experiences and life changes people.  

It seems the matter at hand is that the characters of Amy and Sheldon have changed and how this was not necessary.   Well, Penny said it best in The Table Polarization.   Relationships change people.   I don't think it is fair to want to put individuals into a specific mold so that they are deprived of the joy of experiencing love, enhanced friendships, understanding, and quality of life improvements that come with growth and development.    Who can say they are the same person they were 10 years ago?   A successful partnership stems from those who grow together through those changes, good times and bad, and during the times when the one you love has hurt you the most.  

A comment is made regarding Amy keeping things in until she explodes, while I don't mean any harm or offense, women are known to be guilty of this.  We expect our men to be able to read our minds and get mad or emotional when they can't figure out what we are thinking, want, or need.   This is not sexist but a difference between men and women.   Furthermore, she is not asking for space from Sheldon to push him into sex, she is trying to help him see how his selfishness is causing a division between them.  In this area, she needs to learn how to better communicate with him in a language that he understands, without sarcasm.  

As far as Sheldon becoming sexist is concerned, I disagree.  He used to have no deal.  He had no need to make distinctions between the sexes.   Now that he is in a relationship, things such a emotions, women's biological functions, reproduction, and his own needs as a male are more apparent to him.   Nonetheless, even before Amy, he made comments about Penny and her time of the month and urges several times.   I could be wrong, but I think everything he says is factual, though inappropriate at times.   I don't think Sheldon's intention is to imply that men and women are not equal, only different.

Regarding the butt slapping, I am not so sure that Sheldon did not know that Amy was enjoying the spanking, as he did comment that "you are not supposed to be enjoying this" but then let it go.    While I don't disagree that Amy took advantage of Sheldon's innocence of the sexual connotation here, Sheldon also got the satisfaction out of believing he was punishing her for lying.  This was a mutual win.   Regarding the drunk butt slap, I believe this was IC for Sheldon.   When he is drunk, he becomes less inhibited.   This was no doubt behavior that he had witnessed from his father toward his mother growing up.    Amy's facial expression at the end indicated her enjoyment and acceptance of this.   As hard as it is for us to understand, I feel that this butt slapping is a form of affection between these two and there is no harm in it, if it is something they both agree to and no one is getting hurt by it.   I want to reiterate that I am not condoning or promoting physical abuse of any kind, and I don't think the writers were either.

Shamy are going through a rough patch right now.  I agree with another commenter on this forum.   This seems like a drawn out argument more than a break up. They will get through this, but here's a revelation, Amy is still going to manipulate and Sheldon is still going to make inappropriate comments.   They aren't going to suddenly change who they are, but they will learn to work through it together with more understanding and communication.   They will still be unique, quirky, and all the things we love about them, but with growth.  

I think the writer's have done a good job, in general.  They have gotten our attention, and whether we are disappointed in an outcome they have written for our favorite couple or not, it is enough to cause this forum to break records in commentary from those invested in the relationship.  People threaten to stop watching the show, but in reality, most will keep doing so because they need to know what is going to happen.    Frankly without the addition of new characters and personality development, I don't think TBBT would still be on the air.   The audience would have gotten bored and stopped watching then. 

If these two fictional characters were perfect and had the perfect relationship, no one would be interested or watching.  It's the flaws that make it interesting and keeps us watching. 

Amy, as you say, is not innocent of either lying or manipulation but I don't think she would do anything that would hurt him in anyway and I think Sheldon knows she does more than he lets on.  You only have to watch the Table episode  when Amy got cocky to see that. And again, Sheldon has been negligent and verbal abuse her at times, but he's like that with anyone, so why would he be any different with her?  I mean he's does it with his own mother and her religious beliefs.

You're right us women do expect our men to be able to read our minds and get mad when they can't/don't.  Maybe it's because us women are better doing that and expect our men to be able to do the same thing or maybe just that men more transparent. 

Sheldon being sexist... well having thought about it, sexist is probably the wrong way to describe it.  He has no filter and does say the wrong thing at the wrong time.  And I'd forgotten that he had said things about the time of month and urges to Penny before.  If you think about it, it's actually refreshing to see a male openly say things about stuff like time of the month, or as a male I know says the time when all men run away and hide.  Sheldon may be wrong to bring it up, but at least he's makes no secret that he's aware of such things instead of shying away from it.

Communication has always been their strongest point, but your strongest point can also be your weakest point and I think is an example of it.

[Arduina]

I can also imagine Meemaw giving Seldon the ring for his sweet little lady. I'm not really convinced that Sheldon planned on proposing to Amy on their 5th Anniversary. That seems lank rushed. Maybe Meemaw (or Mary for that matter) intended for him to think about marriage by giving him the ring (which is a smart move, imo). He's certainly done that and might have been distracted due to that fact, on their 5th Anniversary. Somehow I also don't see Sheldon calling his Mom for advise after his rant about women in the final scene (assuming the Skype call is tag). I can picture Leonard calling her because he's worried about Sheldon. At least that could count as advice because I'm still wondering about the lack of that from his friends.

That could work as well, (and definitely a smart move lol ) but I'd prefer him asking for the ring all by himself (it being promised to him years ago) even without giving it to her right away. We all know Sheldon's love for preparedness

I'd like to think he asked for it after the Christmas episode or the Mars episode.

Well ... if he bought it, that works fine for me as well because it means he took time to look for it and that's a lot coming from Sheldon.

As long as we KNOW MORE ABOUT THE FR*AKING RING !

[Juni]

I've read so much about Amy manipulating Sheldon, but I don't really see this happening in the strong sense of the word. Like A Shamy girl stated above: " I don't think she would do anything that would hurt him in anyway." Sheldon is very rigid in his opinion and feels very uncomfortable with change. Amy's just using his own idiosynchrasies against him to make the change easier. For instance handholding and hugging would not have happened without her manipulating him. Amy knows that Sheldon will adapt easier to the changes in their relationship, if he get's the impression it was his idea. I do believe it is better for Amy to ease Sheldon into situations than confronting him with all her wishes and needs. This would surely result in Sheldon pulling back. (Imo, the rest of the gang manipulates Sheldon in the same way, not to make him do things but to make things easier on him).

In The table polarization Sheldon was ready to break up with Amy, but Amy just knew how to get him to change his mind (in an epic way!). In some cases the end justifies the means..

 

 

That could work as well, (and definitely a smart move lol ) but I'd prefer him asking for the ring all by himself (it being promised to him years ago) even without giving it to her right away. We all know Sheldon's love for preparedness

I'd like to think he asked for it after the Christmas episode or the Mars episode.

Well ... if he bought it, that works fine for me as well because it means he took time to look for it and that's a lot coming from Sheldon.

As long as we KNOW MORE ABOUT THE FR*AKING RING !

With you saying it like this, I'd also prefer Sheldon asking for the ring. That would be really cute!

[rachelshamyfan]

I don't know that anybody going on Tuesday will be shown the Mary scenes as they usually only show the episode before, but maybe we will get preview pics soon

[mirs1]

I don't think Amy's is manipulative (in a bad way), too...Actually, handholding, kissing and, to a certain degree, hugging were all Sheldon's ideas...What Amy has done is to establish them in the regular bases of the RA, to make him more confortable with them...Which means that she had to negotiate all those things with Sheldon and he agreed to the negotiation, so, IMO, she did not manipulate him on those occasions, She tries sometimes to manipulate him in doing things (like in Locomotive and in the Table) but she is never fully successful in it. In the Locomotive, for sure she was looking for some kind of "romance", but she did not get it, not in the way she had planned it, at least...And, as for the Table, we all know what happened at the end. She has her way to him, she knows what to say to him   (not everytime, as we all sadly know..),but this is how relationships work, IMO. Her problem with Sheldon, for me, is just that even if they are both very good in communicate to each other, at some point the communication stops, because of their fears, or misunderstundings, or prejudices, and when they arrive to that point, simply don't know how to come back to a open discussion.

[koops]

http://disgruntledvillager.tumblr.com/post/127341071355/sheldon-and-amy
she has some interesting points on the Amy character

Frankly, she lost me already at "neurotypical". When someone brings up terms like these with regards to these characters I tend to groan, roll my eyes and walk away. Look, I get it that there are traits in these characters that put them on a certain spectrum, I don't *entirely* disagree with what she's trying to say, but the writers have said again and again that that's not what they're doing and it seems to me that a lot of the time, people that use these words (and same goes for asexual etc) have actually no idea what it really means. They think people with a certain "label" are all the same and fixed in stone like a stock of cars or something. Even IF these characters had been labeled as such, there's no such thing as ONE mold for a particular label and every person is different.

Also, I totally disagree with her that Amy suddenly gets EVERYTHING and that it's impossible that she has learned to get things. I actually always say how, despite me loving S4 Amy to bits (and probably the most, although S5/8 Amy came close), I found her evolution very believable. She was coached by Penny intensively for a long time at the "skills of the people" and while it might occasionally come across as she's magically "normal" because she is now imparting that knowledge on Sheldon (I always love to draw the parallel between Penny in 5x22 telling Amy "Remember when we talked about things that would be helpful, and things that wouldn't?" and moments where Amy later has helped Sheldon in the same way), she still very much has plenty of moments where things just fly over her head (like in the S7 finale where Lenny wanted to be left alone, or how she didn't get Bert was hitting on her, or the morbid comments she occasionally makes). 

Does the author have some points? Sure. But I think she's cherry picking a number of very specific and very rare episodes and ignoring a whole load of other moments where things couldn't be further from that. While those moments might leave a bitter taste in my mouth, I usually make a point of looking at how much evidence we have in favor of A versus B. And, generally, the moments she describes as defining for this change she doesn't like in Amy/Sheldon/Shamy are few and far in between. Some times the writers write hard to stomach episodes or scenes where things come across as rather disturbing or wonky because they think they will be heeeeelllarious, but they are sacrificing the characters for the jokes. They thought there was a goldmine of comedy in having Amy play the frustrated girlfriend, and that's how we ended up with some of the scenes or episodes that we ended up with. I find that trope to be unoriginal and trite, but it's easy to write, and, let's face it, these writers do get lazy here and there. There *are* two episodes where you do see Amy manipulate him, but in one (Fish Guts), it was more about milking his attention and the other (Table) was more worrying, but it's still just two episodes out of 5 years of Amy. There have been plenty of instances where she calmly explained things to him, where she's been rational and pragmatic, where she's been understanding and kind. Occasionally she gets emotional and flips out, but that's just a flaw of hers and part of her temper. And, frankly, Sheldon tends to do the same in the same way: he gets angry, he sulks, he gets passive-aggressive. We have seen him do that TONS of times with his friends and Leonard in particular. He loves to guilt trip people when he gets hurt by them and actually is far more of a drama queen than Amy is because he loves to make it REALLY noticeable that you upset him.

So, yeah, I don't think it's anything to do with Amy being a woman or Sheldon being a man because they act *exactly* the same. It's just that when Amy does it people are all "well, women do that, they expect men to just get it" and when Sheldon does it people are all "he's such an immature child!". There's no innate tendency for women to be passive-aggressive and men can be plenty passive-aggressive too (you should see my lab! LOL), it's just that generally speaking society condones it in the former over the latter more.

As for the ring, I think I'd be happy with any scenario that shows me it was Sheldon's initiative. I would hate it if it turned out that Mary just brought the ring in 8x23 to plant the seed in his mind or because the family thought "it was time", and I frankly would be surprised if that were the case because Steve said on a number of occasions how the ring represents how much she means to him. But, as much as my personal preference would be for him to have bought it on his own, without anyone knowing, I would be happy with him having asked his mother/meemaw for it as well. I think the crucial thing to me is that HE wanted it because HE had plans, rather than the details of how he ended up having it and how long he's had it and when he was planning to propose. Although I do think it would be really sweet had he been planning to propose soon and Mary is calling to find out how it went. Not so much in Shamy terms (although for that too, of course), but because I think it would be a really nice mother/son moment.

On the topic of the big picture, while I'm feeling better now than I was a few days ago, I'm still not entirely ok with this situation and incredibly nervous. I appreciate people saying that for a relationship to be interesting it needs to have its rough patches, and I don't disagree with that, but I just am not happy with the fact that the rough patch has to take the form of a breakup. And, to me, Shamy were interesting for reasons other than relationship drama, like I said many times before. Sheldon in the premiere summed it up best: "We make people uncomfortable all the time, that's our thing!" THAT is what I always found interesting. As long as they keep that trait to this pairing, they could never be boring to me, even if they spent whole episodes reading the phone book. I don't think they need romantic drama to be interesting, and I hope we can get past it and on to better stuff asap.

Edited August 23, 2015 by koops

[Arduina]

As for the ring, I think I'd be happy with any scenario

that shows me it was Sheldon's initiative. I would hate it if it turned out that Mary just brought the ring in 8x23 to plant the seed in his mind or because the family thought "it was time"

, and I frankly would be surprised if that were the case because Steve said on a number of occasions how the ring represents how much she means to him. But, as much as my personal preference would be for him to have bought it on his own, without anyone knowing, I would be happy with him having asked his mother/meemaw for it as well.

I think the crucial thing to me is that HE wanted it because HE had plans

, rather than the details of how he ended up having it and how long he's had it and when he was planning to propose. Although I do think it would be really sweet had he been planning to propose soon and Mary is calling to find out how it went. Not so much in Shamy terms (although for that too, of course), but because I think it would be a really nice mother/son moment.

Amen to that !!!

[Amy Fowler]

Amy is standing her ground and Sheldon is fighting for her.. I mean he won't leave her alone or back down. In a roundabout way, It's kind of what we have been screaming for. Sheldon desperate for her and showing it. And we know the results are going to blow our minds and Sheldon's pun intended.  

THIS

And, like everything else with the Shamy, this is the first time they've broken up and the first time he's had to fight to win back his women. 

Think about when Lenny broke up. They were still hanging out with each other. Maybe Sheldon saw that and thinks he's 'hanging out' (which is actually coming across as pestering) with her thought as the thing to do in order to speed up their 'getting back together'. Like wise with Amy, she's seen Penny be like 'we'll never get back together' 'I'm standing my ground' so she's doing just that, maybe her anger is coming through more cause she can't conceal, nor has she ever had to conceal, her true feelings. She's always been expressive as to what she wants, she's never had to hide her feelings before. Of course she's dated in the past but i doubt she's probably not really cared about it how it's ended. They never had to have had to deal with a break up of their own before. That's just what I think though.

Kazzie you've definitely hit the nail on the head though 

Edited August 23, 2015 by Amy Fowler

[Kathy2611]

 

It would be kind of disturbing, but I wish somehow, that he ends up, laying in Amy´s bed at night, watching her sleeping, because there´s no other chance she lets him be with her. This would be sweet in a creepy way.

 

 

OMG!!  NOOOO!!  That would NOT be sweet at all!!!  And would definately be all kinds of creepy and crossing a line in a major way!!  He just needs to give her some space.  She'll be back if he does that.

 

[A Shamy gal]

It would be kind of disturbing, but I wish somehow, that he ends up, laying in Amy´s bed at night, watching her sleeping, because there´s no other chance she lets him be with her. This would be sweet in a creepy way.

 

 

No it would not be sweet in anyway.  That would be really creepy and if he did anything like, she'd never take him.  If anything, she'd more likely have him arrested.

[Desdemona]

OMG!!  NOOOO!!  That would NOT be sweet at all!!!  And would definately be all kinds of creepy and crossing a line in a major way!!  He just needs to give her some space.  She'll be back if he does that.

 

You are right, I´m sorry! I better should keep my creepy thoughts for me.

Edited August 23, 2015 by Desdemona

[April]

I do find it curious that the RA still hasn't been mentioned. At. All. Idk if this is just me but after everything is said and done they could easily go down the route of "Well, we never signed the paperwork so technically we never broke up!" or something along those lines.

 

It would be kind of disturbing, but I wish somehow, that he ends up, laying in Amy´s bed at night, watching her sleeping, because there´s no other chance she lets him be with her. This would be sweet in a creepy way.

 

Oh dear god no - I don't want to see him going all Edward Cullen on her. ughh

[koops]

I agree, I don't think anyone is copying anyone and, if anything, that's the one thing I'd like them to avoid at all costs: to turn this into the same kind of dynamic Lenny had during their breakup (i.e. a standard breakup). If Shamy really have to go through this, let them do it in their own, weird, dysfunctional way. Which is why I'm shocked the RA hasn't been brought up yet. I don't understand why. That is such a huge aspect of how they do their relationship, that it puzzles me how it just seems to have slipped through the cracks right now. I wonder whether that's on purpose because the writers are saving it to make a point later down the line, or whether they are handling this like any regular couple who just breaks up by saying that they're over, which would be just disappointing.

In a sense, I do like this whole "seeing each other even more now" than when they were "together", because that's a weird way to handle a break. I do agree that they've been so joined at the hip since day 1 that it's just such a big part of who they are. But yes, I would not want to see stalker Sheldon get that overboard at all. That isn't sweet at all, it's just creepy. 

 

eta: Jinx, April about the RA! 

Edited August 23, 2015 by koops

[A Shamy gal]

I do find it curious that the RA still hasn't been mentioned. At. All. Idk if this is just me but after everything is said and done they could easily go down the route of "Well, we never signed the paperwork so technically we never broke up!" or something along those lines.

Yes they could do that.  I find it strange the RA hasn't been mentioned either.  Sheldon is meticulous about everything, so I'm sure there's something in the RA that would cover major disagreements and fights.

[Desdemona]

I do find it curious that the RA still hasn't been mentioned. At. All. Idk if this is just me but after everything is said and done they could easily go down the route of "Well, we never signed the paperwork so technically we never broke up!" or something along those lines.

Oh dear god no - I don't want to see him going all Edward Cullen on her. ughh

I haven´t seen the movie, but if this happened in the film as well, than I really want to apologise! I didn´t mean to copy any teenage movie films!

[Kathy2611]

I think maybe that's why the RA hasn't been mentioned so that when they do make up and get back together they can say it wasn't really an official break up since they didn't sign the paperwork because I've been wondering myself about why the RA hasn't been mentioned.

[Amy Fowler]

I´m sorry, but I don´t think Shamy is acting like they are acting, because they are trying to copy from Lenny. They do, because that´s how they feel. Since they met, they spent almost every minute together, and if they couldn´t they communicated daily, so when Amy asked for a break and Sheldon waited 18 hours, he saw that he couldn´t be without her, because he´s enjoying her company so much and couldn´t understand why she wanted to be alone, so he walked over, because he couldn´t wait any longer.

And Amy wants some time for herself to rethink certain points of their relationship and maybe hoping that Sheldon starts to think, what could be the reason why she broke up with him finally. Of course, he would like to speed up time, to get her back as soon as possible, but as he also knows, things need its time.

It would be kind of disturbing, but I wish somehow, that he ends up, laying in Amy´s bed at night, watching her sleeping, because there´s no other chance she lets him be with her. This would be sweet in a creepy way.

 

 

oh I didn't mean their relationship is like Lenny. Not at all. It's evident they love each other's company and spending time with each other. I'm just saying in terms of a break up. They've never broken up before, and Sheldon is easily swayed by what he sees sometimes. I'm sure he wants to see Amy cause they haven't communicated after Amy called time it was just a thought that came into my head that maybe Sheldons just pestering her and saying the things he said cause of what he's seen in his friends relationship. The amont of times Leonard has joked and said in a fight with Penny that he could 'go out and get any women he wanted' maybe Sheldon thought that would be the way to 'fight for his girl'. I dunno, I'm just letting my brain run wild lol