Debate Zone [Spoilers]Shipping Lanes: Season 9

[Einstein Von Brainstorm]

1 hour ago, nibbler747 said:

Do couples like Lenny exist in real life?  I see it all the time.  I work with a ton of male engineers, and many of them are with extremely attractive women.  These women are intelligent, and fun, and often have similar interests to them.

Shamy is a bit more rare I think.  While I think Mayim is pretty, they make Amy dress pretty blah on the show.  That's ok, it fits with her characterization.  What I don't see in real life is a very attractive men with an average looking or below average looking women.  I know it must exist, but honestly, I can't think of anyone in my real life. 

Of course, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.  I do believe that people get more attractive the more you learn about their personality.  If they kind and interesting, looks become less important.

I know hot guys with massively overweight, not conventionally attractive women. I have a female acquaintance who did beauty shows/modelling who married what can only be described as an 'interesting' looking man - friends of mine have called him ugly but I won't be that mean!

I know couples who look like those attractive families from stock photos and I know couples where both of them are going bald (those two are both guys so I guess that's expected lol) 

I don't know any couple that have nothing in common at all, that have lasted very long though  

<- this is what bothers me about the writing of Leonard (last on a long list of things actually) we only ever see him say things about how attractive Penny is when obviously there has to be something more there! I realise they're playing for laughs with lines like "I'll never get another girlfriend that pretty" but the cumulative effect of those lines seems unfair to their fans imo and disrespectful to the first ship on this show.

[Cindi May]

Penny was actually interested in Leonard in the early seasons before her so called growth that sounds more like givin' up on her dreams to me but anyway. They could have put her at least in another creative job, but of course no. I know that it may sound hard to believe (or maybe not who knows) but not everyone watch the show primarily for the romantic couples and the feud between the 2 main couples of the show that seems so hip over here, but for other reasons. I actually think Sheldon's character was funnier to watch in the early seasons, before Amy. His character was a MASTERPIECE back then, now...not so much. He was one of the best characters ever created in a sitcom.  At a certain point in the show they decided to treat him like it was something wrong with him, like  he needed to change and conform to the norm (good job writers that's how you do a show for celebrate being different ). And they started to do this in particular imho when they decided to change Amy's character into something really different from the first Amy we encountered (a girl who was really similar to him and wanted the same things he wanted).  Most of the time now the writers clearly struggle  because they don't know how to deal with him without makin' him out of character and they're even making him less intelligent in the process. That line about Meemaw's menstrual cycle was cringe worthy in general but especially coming from Sheldon, the man that was calculating Penny's number of tampons to use before menopause in the early seasons. Howard as well was way funnier before Bernadette, the creepiness made him funnier. I would have married him at some point (why not),  but towards the end, surely not so early in the serie.

[No Regrets]

Of course these characters have all changed and progressed. Who wants to see characters stay the exact same for 9 seasons? 

[Cindi May]

Exactly...the problem is what do they talk about? What do they really have in common? Proton asked the same questions :D with no answers of course from the writers. And I'd add that sadly for heterosexual women a lot of really beautiful and interesting guys are gay. :D 

24 minutes ago, Einstein Von Brainstorm said:

I know hot guys with massively overweight, not conventionally attractive women. I have a female acquaintance who did beauty shows/modelling who married what can only be described as an 'interesting' looking man - friends of mine have called him ugly but I won't be that mean!

I know couples who look like those attractive families from stock photos and I know couples where both of them are going bald (those two are both guys so I guess that's expected lol) 

I don't know any couple that have nothing in common at all, that have lasted very long though  

<- this is what bothers me about the writing of Leonard (last on a long list of things actually) we only ever see him say things about how attractive Penny is when obviously there has to be something more there! I realise they're playing for laughs with lines like "I'll never get another girlfriend that pretty" but the cumulative effect of those lines seems unfair to their fans imo and disrespectful to the first ship on this show.

 

Edited March 4, 2016 by Cindi May

[Einstein Von Brainstorm]

34 minutes ago, No Regrets said:

Of course these characters have all changed and progressed. Who wants to see characters stay the exact same for 9 seasons? 

A lot of people posting here  

[No Regrets]

Just now, Einstein Von Brainstorm said:

A lot of people posting here  

Not just here. I've seen so many fans say that this show has become "shit" since the guys got girlfriends. Maybe it's just me but IMO this show was never just about nerd culture. To me it's always been about relationships (friendships and romance). I wouldn't wanna watch a show about a bunch of guys just playing video games and talking about science.

[Einstein Von Brainstorm]

39 minutes ago, Cindi May said:

Penny was actually interested in Leonard in the early seasons before her so called growth that sounds more like givin' up on her dreams to me but anyway. They could have put her at least in another creative job, but of course no. I know that it may sound hard to believe (or maybe not who knows) but not everyone watch the show primarily for the romantic couples and the feud between the 2 main couples of the show that seems so hip over here, but for other reasons. I actually think Sheldon's character was funnier to watch in the early seasons, before Amy. His character was a MASTERPIECE back then, now...not so much. He was one of the best characters ever created in a sitcom.  At a certain point in the show they decided to treat him like it was something wrong with him, like  he needed to change and conform to the norm (good job writers that's how you do a show for celebrate being different ). And they started to do this in particular imho when they decided to change Amy's character into something really different from the first Amy we encountered (a girl who was really similar to him and wanted the same things he wanted).  Most of the time now the writers clearly struggle  because they don't know how to deal with him without makin' him out of character and they're even making him less intelligent in the process. That line about Meemaw's menstrual cycle was cringe worthy in general but especially coming from Sheldon, the man that was calculating Penny's number of tampons to use before menopause in the early seasons. Howard as well was way funnier before Bernadette, the creepiness made him funnier. I would have married him at some point (why not),  but towards the end, surely not so early in the serie.

I loved the episode where Penny went to work with Leonard and tried to learn about what he did, the holograph scene was beautiful! More of that please show!

I have to disagree about Howard though, I honestly hated him. Never laughed at his creepiness and one of the worst moments in the history of the show for me is when Penny apologises for telling him exactly how creepy and inappropriate he was! He was harassing her and she had every right to tell him how horrible he was. He was a big part of why the show wasn't one of my top shows early on, I about gave up on it.

I like sweet Howard a lot better and he still has a lot of laughs without having to be a desperate creep chasing after women, unfortunately it looks like they want that kind of skeevy horrible 'two and a half men' style humour on the show and they are going there with Raj now 

I liked early Shamy, when they were the two misfits who enjoyed spending time together. I loved how having Penny and Bernadette in her life brought Amy out of her shell and how Sheldon (and Zach I guess  ) awakened her sexuality. I loved watching Amy try and develop their relationship into what she considered a normal one, it was funny for a while but it would have got boring if it had always stayed that way. Now I am enjoying this new more even footed Shamy and I'm excited about where it goes - if it does go back to the Amy pulling and Sheldon resisting then it will be boring and a little bit sad but I'm not convinced that it is just yet!

I'm all for character development in my sitcoms personally,I know a lot of people want a Simpsons style 'everything is the same by credits roll' vibe to their sitcoms but I prefer at least a bit of movement  

[Cindi May]

37 minutes ago, No Regrets said:

Not just here. I've seen so many fans say that this show has become "shit" since the guys got girlfriends. Maybe it's just me but IMO this show was never just about nerd culture. To me it's always been about relationships (friendships and romance). I wouldn't wanna watch a show about a bunch of guys just playing video games and talking about science.

Maybe they shouldn't have put them in such serious relationships so early in the show. It kinda killed the mood. That's why people complain so much I think.  I personally think they should have introduced in the show at least a girl who share their interests for comics and the "nerd culture". Like the girl she was introduced this season to Sheldon. I would have liked to see a female character like her on the show. And it would have been nice to see how Penny and the others reacted to her.

Edited March 4, 2016 by Cindi May

[hokie3457]

11 minutes ago, No Regrets said:

Not just here. I've seen so many fans say that this show has become "shit" since the guys got girlfriends. Maybe it's just me but IMO this show was never just about nerd culture. To me it's always been about relationships (friendships and romance). I wouldn't wanna watch a show about a bunch of guys just playing video games and talking about science.

I've been watching since Season 1, Episode 1.  I've been watching mainly for the Penny/Leonard relationship.  Loved watching it grow and mature.  Suffered the bumps along the way.  Two people, each lonely in their own way..... 

[No Regrets]

Just now, hokie3457 said:

I've been watching since Season 1, Episode 1.  I've been watching mainly for the Penny/Leonard relationship.  Loved watching it grow and mature.  

Me too. Saw Leonard & Penny's first scene in the Pilot and was like, "Yup. You two. Forever." I think we all have certain aspects of the show that got us hooked. I had binge watched the show "Chuck" before I started TBBT, so I was completely in love with the nerd-and-beautiful-woman-fall-for-each-other love story. Ah, Chuck and Sarah. 

[Einstein Von Brainstorm]

23 minutes ago, No Regrets said:

Not just here. I've seen so many fans say that this show has become "shit" since the guys got girlfriends. Maybe it's just me but IMO this show was never just about nerd culture. To me it's always been about relationships (friendships and romance). I wouldn't wanna watch a show about a bunch of guys just playing video games and talking about science.

For me it's the whole package, I can get relationship type shows elsewhere, I can get my geek on with other shows but with this I get it all in a nice neat package with actors and characters I enjoy  

12 minutes ago, Cindi May said:

Maybe they shouldn't have put them in such serious relationships so early in the show. It kinda killed the mood. That's why people complain so much I think.  I personally think they should have introduced in the show at least a girl who share their interests for comics and the "nerd culture". Like the girl she was introduced this season to Sheldon. I would have liked to see a femal character like her on the show. And it would have been nice to see how Penny and the others reacted to her.

It's not too late for Raj to meet someone like this I guess?

We have Bernadette and Amy as female Scientists and Emily had alternative interests with the Horror stuff but yeah a Girl_Geek would be nice cus TPTB don't seem to think that they exist! Despite having one working on the show 

8 minutes ago, No Regrets said:

Me too. Saw Leonard & Penny's first scene in the Pilot and was like, "Yup. You two. Forever." I think we all have certain aspects of the show that got us hooked. I had binge watched the show "Chuck" before I started TBBT, so I was completely in love with the nerd-and-beautiful-woman-fall-for-each-other love story. Ah, Chuck and Sarah. 

I loved Chuck too but I found that aspect of it hard to believe, I mean Zachary Levi looks like an underwear model! 

[luminous]

4 hours ago, No Regrets said:

I had binge watched the show "Chuck" before I started TBBT, so I was completely in love with the nerd-and-beautiful-woman-fall-for-each-other love story. Ah, Chuck and Sarah. 

Yes, Chuck & Sarah. They are also on my favorite TV-couples list.

Totally Off-topic...I know...

 

Edited March 4, 2016 by luminous

[Cindi May]

17 minutes ago, Einstein Von Brainstorm said:

I loved the episode where Penny went to work with Leonard and tried to learn about what he did, the holograph scene was beautiful! More of that please show!

I have to disagree about Howard though, I honestly hated him. Never laughed at his creepiness and one of the worst moments in the history of the show for me is when Penny apologises for telling him exactly how creepy and inappropriate he was! He was harassing her and she had every right to tell him how horrible he was. He was a big part of why the show wasn't one of my top shows early on, I about gave up on it.

I like sweet Howard a lot better and he still has a lot of laughs without having to be a desperate creep chasing after women, unfortunately it looks like they want that kind of skeevy horrible 'two and a half men' style humour on the show and they are going there with Raj now 

I liked early Shamy, when they were the two misfits who enjoyed spending time together. I loved how having Penny and Bernadette in her life brought Amy out of her shell and how Sheldon (and Zach I guess  ) awakened her sexuality. I loved watching Amy try and develop their relationship into what she considered a normal one, it was funny for a while but it would have got boring if it had always stayed that way. Now I am enjoying this new more even footed Shamy and I'm excited about where it goes - if it does go back to the Amy pulling and Sheldon resisting then it will be boring and a little bit sad but I'm not convinced that it is just yet!

I'm all for character development in my sitcoms personally,I know a lot of people want a Simpsons style 'everything is the same by credits roll' vibe to their sitcoms but I prefer at least a bit of movement  

I liked that scene between P and Leonard. Maybe their best scene imo. About Howard yes he was creepy but it was a huge part of why he was so funny, for me of course. What they're doing with Raj doesn't work, another example in my book of sloppy writing. They're ruining him turning him into the ladies man. He was always romantic. He's not believable in that role. That was a job for Howard not Raj. I prefer Amy in her first incarnation for the reasons already stated. She worked better as a match for Sheldon back then.

[A.D.A.]

7 minutes ago, Einstein Von Brainstorm said:

I loved the episode where Penny went to work with Leonard and tried to learn about what he did, the holograph scene was beautiful! More of that please show!

I have to disagree about Howard though, I honestly hated him. Never laughed at his creepiness and one of the worst moments in the history of the show for me is when Penny apologises for telling him exactly how creepy and inappropriate he was! He was harassing her and she had every right to tell him how horrible he was. He was a big part of why the show wasn't one of my top shows early on, I about gave up on it.

I like sweet Howard a lot better and he still has a lot of laughs without having to be a desperate creep chasing after women, unfortunately it looks like they want that kind of skeevy horrible 'two and a half men' style humour on the show and they are going there with Raj now 

I liked early Shamy, when they were the two misfits who enjoyed spending time together. I loved how having Penny and Bernadette in her life brought Amy out of her shell and how Sheldon (and Zach I guess  ) awakened her sexuality. I loved watching Amy try and develop their relationship into what she considered a normal one, it was funny for a while but it would have got boring if it had always stayed that way. Now I am enjoying this new more even footed Shamy and I'm excited about where it goes - if it does go back to the Amy pulling and Sheldon resisting then it will be boring and a little bit sad but I'm not convinced that it is just yet!

I'm all for character development in my sitcoms personally,I know a lot of people want a Simpsons style 'everything is the same by credits roll' vibe to their sitcoms but I prefer at least a bit of movement  

Howard's creepiness was often past the line for me as well (webcam teddy, seriously, someone read him the riot act ), but he was generally a character who had many unqiue ideas and his dependence on his mom was more a funny-weird psychological codependence (although obviously she babied him a bit, he could still cut his own food). While I agree that he needed development of some sort in the long run to not get kicked out of the group, I don't get how he went from the energetic guy he was to Bernadette's lazy sitcom husband. Seriously, I can't praise Simon enough for wrenching any comedy out of the jokes he is sometimes handed. (I agree about Raj, by the way. They obviously have no idea what to do with his character.)

I'm one of these people who don't really like the idea that the less childish Sheldon of Season 1-3 actually needed "fixing" because the idea that you absolutely need to "fix" a human who does not hurt himself or others and just seems to have a different idea of a fulfilled life than sex-marriage-2.5-kids is already a little insulting. I do agree that past-Season-7 Sheldon needs development. Tons of it. Just to bring him back to the level of maturity that he started out with once upon a time. However, considering Amy, I think the sad truth is that she is never going to go back to being weird (as much as I wish she would - you know how rare it is to find a character who shares my fangirling of Chaucer???) because she is usually shown with Sheldon and the easiest way to get a laugh out of the audience with Sheldon is to have a straight (wo)man make funny faces at his eccentricity and, as discussed above, the writing hasn't exactly gotten more refined. cue amy making a sex joke and sheldon not getting it Version 8923789023792379789237923892389

[Cindi May]

16 minutes ago, A.D.A. said:

Howard's creepiness was often past the line for me as well (webcam teddy, seriously, someone read him the riot act ), but he was generally a character who had many unqiue ideas and his dependence on his mom was more a funny-weird psychological codependence (although obviously she babied him a bit, he could still cut his own food). While I agree that he needed development of some sort in the long run to not get kicked out of the group, I don't get how he went from the energetic guy he was to Bernadette's lazy sitcom husband. Seriously, I can't praise Simon enough for wrenching any comedy out of the jokes he is sometimes handed. (I agree about Raj, by the way. They obviously have no idea what to do with his character.)

I'm one of these people who don't really like the idea that the less childish Sheldon of Season 1-3 actually needed "fixing" because the idea that you absolutely need to "fix" a human who does not hurt himself or others and just seems to have a different idea of a fulfilled life than sex-marriage-2.5-kids is already a little insulting. I do agree that past-Season-7 Sheldon needs development. Tons of it. Just to bring him back to the level of maturity that he started out with once upon a time. However, considering Amy, I think the sad truth is that she is never going to go back to being weird (as much as I wish she would - you know how rare it is to find a character who shares my fangirling of Chaucer???) because she is usually shown with Sheldon and the easiest way to get a laugh out of the audience with Sheldon is to have a straight (wo)man make funny faces at his eccentricity and, as discussed above, the writing hasn't exactly gotten more refined. cue amy making a sex joke and sheldon not getting it Version 8923789023792379789237923892389

Howard's transition into boring husband was so much to deal with, yes, they could have least proceeded step by step with him. About Sheldon yes I don't like these stupid jokes about him being a child so predominant in the last seasons. Season 1 Sheldon wasn't like that at all. They did a similar thing to Joey in Friends. Sheldon even understood when Leonard was sad for Penny back then. They could at least re-watch the old episodes of their own show before start writing the new ones.

33 minutes ago, Einstein Von Brainstorm said:

For me it's the whole package, I can get relationship type shows elsewhere, I can get my geek on with other shows but with this I get it all in a nice neat package with actors and characters I enjoy  

It's not too late for Raj to meet someone like this I guess?

We have Bernadette and Amy as female Scientists and Emily had alternative interests with the Horror stuff but yeah a Girl_Geek would be nice cus TPTB don't seem to think that they exist! Despite having one working on the show 

I loved Chuck too but I found that aspect of it hard to believe, I mean Zachary Levi looks like an underwear model! 

Yes they could do that...but probably they won't. Sigh. Fingers crossed though.

Edited March 4, 2016 by Cindi May

[Einstein Von Brainstorm]

2 minutes ago, A.D.A. said:

Howard's creepiness was often past the line for me as well (webcam teddy, seriously, someone read him the riot act ), but he was generally a character who had many unqiue ideas and his dependence on his mom was more a funny-weird psychological codependence (although obviously she babied him a bit, he could still cut his own food). While I agree that he needed development of some sort in the long run to not get kicked out of the group, I don't get how he went from the energetic guy he was to Bernadette's lazy sitcom husband. Seriously, I can't praise Simon enough for wrenching any comedy out of the jokes he is sometimes handed. (I agree about Raj, by the way. They obviously have no idea what to do with his character.)

To be fair all of Howard's energy was focused on getting laid, now that he has access to regular sex he has no need to run around and invent his little schemes. Simon is amazing and when he makes comments like "Thats funny lets do that!" in response to hearing about how Missy teased Sheldon saying Batman was coming to his birthday party could come off as really mean but Simon makes it work - it did not work for me back when he was being creepy, that just coloured everything about him for me personally.

 

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I'm one of these people who don't really like the idea that the less childish Sheldon of Season 1-3 actually needed "fixing" because the idea that you absolutely need to "fix" a human who does not hurt himself or others and just seems to have a different idea of a fulfilled life than sex-marriage-2.5-kids is already a little insulting. I do agree that past-Season-7 Sheldon needs development. Tons of it. Just to bring him back to the level of maturity that he started out with once upon a time. However, considering Amy, I think the sad truth is that she is never going to go back to being weird (as much as I wish she would - you know how rare it is to find a character who shares my fangirling of Chaucer???) because she is usually shown with Sheldon and the easiest way to get a laugh out of the audience with Sheldon is to have a straight (wo)man make funny faces at his eccentricity and, as discussed above, the writing hasn't exactly gotten more refined. cue amy making a sex joke and sheldon not getting it Version 8923789023792379789237923892389

He was childish back in the early days like when he quit his job cus the child prodigy was smarter than him - he didn't quit when Kripke turned out to be smarter than him but he did lie to make himself seem better because he still is immature just ever so slightly less immature than he was  

[Strawberry PopTart Fan]

11 minutes ago, hokie3457 said:

I've been watching since Season 1, Episode 1.  I've been watching mainly for the Penny/Leonard relationship.  Loved watching it grow and mature.  Suffered the bumps along the way.  Two people, each lonely in their own way..... 

Me too. And in answer to the oft asked question"What do they talk about? (after the coitus). They talk about what lots of other young couples talk about./ What shall we have for dinner?/ What restaurant do you want to go to?/Really loved the movie. Next week we'll go see the one you pick./Thanks for watching Sex and the City with me when I was sick. You are my Sweetie./Let's have a "Harry Potter "marathon this week end.? How was work today. They talk about the little things and the big things lots of couples talk about.  Honey?/When shall we have kids?? How many? What will we name them. I hope the girls are pretty like you./Once they have kids, they'll  have plenty more to talk about!  Sure Penny and Leonard are different, but they REALLY like each other. They have both had other options, but have chosen each other after knowing each other for a very long time.

 Leonard says Penny is hot and pretty too much?  I never had a problem with any man I've been with telling me that. Lots of women appreciate a complement from their beloved whether they are goddesses or not. It's nice to know that your partner finds you attractive, or nice or smart or talented whether you are a man or a woman.  I don't think that's such a crime.  And Leonard likes when Penny compliments him . People who like each other do that. As far as them only  having sex in common. They have a whole life together in common with the love and companionship of good friends they also share their life with,  but I don't think that their sexual compatibility is a small thing, especially in the early years of a relationship. They both like it and they like it with each other and that's a good thing and helps keep their  bond close. Not all young marrieds are so lucky.

I find the relationship appealing and believable. To each his/her own.

 

 

[A.D.A.]

36 minutes ago, Einstein Von Brainstorm said:

To be fair all of Howard's energy was focused on getting laid, now that he has access to regular sex he has no need to run around and invent his little schemes. Simon is amazing and when he makes comments like "Thats funny lets do that!" in response to hearing about how Missy teased Sheldon saying Batman was coming to his birthday party could come off as really mean but Simon makes it work - it did not work for me back when he was being creepy, that just coloured everything about him for me personally.

 

He was childish back in the early days like when he quit his job cus the child prodigy was smarter than him - he didn't quit when Kripke turned out to be smarter than him but he did lie to make himself seem better because he still is immature just ever so slightly less immature than he was  

True. I guess my interpretation of the character was more along the lines of someone who would always be inventive (he is an engineer, after all, and a succesful one at that). However, that really is just that, intepretation. Maybe now that his life goal of getting laid is achieved, he really thinks he is at the peak of the journey of this human life and can stop trying (that would actually be a cool storyline, him finding a new goal). It does fit the message of the show. (Btw, I want to say that I still think Howardette can be quite cute together, I just don't like that one type of joke they do.)

Oh, he was immature, that is true, but I think we're crossing the line from immature to... I don't want to say anything wrong, but let's say sometimes so unaware that he seems... vulnerable? Especially because they're also piling on the real-life mental problems like hoarding and panic attacks (birthday party, when he though Amy looked pretty and felt pressured) which are treated with more gravity than stuff like his germphobia was in the early days. I think I already mentioned once somewhere that "Sheldon needs a cup that gives him only three cheerios for car rides" right next to "I had sex with Sheldon" makes my toe nails roll up. I guess that's what I mean; he used to be childish, now he often seems child-like. Like @Cindi May said, it does have some parallels to Joey. I think the phenomenon is called Flanderization according to TV Tropes.

 

Edited March 4, 2016 by A.D.A.

[hokie3457]

12 minutes ago, Strawberry PopTart Fan said:

Me too. And in answer to the oft asked question"What do they talk about? (after the coitus). They talk about what lots of other young couples talk about./ What shall we have for dinner?/ What restaurant do you want to go to?/Really loved the movie. Next week we'll go see the one you pick./Thanks for watching Sex and the City with me when I was sick. You are my Sweetie./Let's have a "Harry Potter "marathon this week end.? How was work today. They talk about the little things and the big things lots of couples talk about.  Honey?/When shall we have kids?? How many? What will we name them. I hope the girls are pretty like you./Once they have kids, they'll  have plenty more to talk about!  Sure Penny and Leonard are different, but they REALLY like each other. They have both had other options, but have chosen each other after knowing each other for a very long time.

 Leonard says Penny is hot and pretty too much?  I never had a problem with any man I've been with telling me that. Lots of women appreciate a complement from their beloved whether they are goddesses or not. It's nice to know that your partner finds you attractive, or nice or smart or talented whether you are a man or a woman.  I don't think that's such a crime.  And Leonard likes when Penny compliments him . People who like each other do that. As far as them only  having sex in common. They have a whole life together in common with the love and companionship of good friends they also share their life with,  but I don't think that their sexual compatibility is a small thing, especially in the early years of a relationship. They both like it and they like it with each other and that's a good thing and helps keep their  bond close. Not all young marrieds are so lucky.

I find the relationship appealing and believable. To each his/her own.

 

 

OMG SPTF!!!  We need to gold plate this post.  We need to make it into a rubber stamp to have handy and ever at the ready, like veejay and his wonderful gifs.  This is Leonard and Penny with everything stripped away.  All the malarkey that others say about them.  All the fun poked at them.  All the derogatory things (not a real physicist; went to a lousy college; slept with a long list of people) pointed their way.  This.  This is the essence of Leonard and Penny.  Thank you for this post!!!

[Einstein Von Brainstorm]

10 minutes ago, Strawberry PopTart Fan said:

Me too. And in answer to the oft asked question"What do they talk about? (after the coitus). They talk about what lots of other young couples talk about./ What shall we have for dinner?/ What restaurant do you want to go to?/Really loved the movie. Next week we'll go see the one you pick./Thanks for watching Sex and the City with me when I was sick. You are my Sweetie./Let's have a "Harry Potter "marathon this week end.? How was work today. They talk about the little things and the big things lots of couples talk about.  Honey?/When shall we have kids?? How many? What will we name them. I hope the girls are pretty like you./Once they have kids, they'll  have plenty more to talk about!  Sure Penny and Leonard are different, but they REALLY like each other. They have both had other options, but have chosen each other after knowing each other for a very long time.

When I ask what they talk about I mean the deep things, not "hey the weather is nice today!" type conversations. You have just reminded me that they both like Game of Thrones though!

When two people have very different ideas about life those differences are really highlighted when they have kids, Howard and Bernadette could have difficulties when the little one arrives as they have different religions so it will be interesting how that plays out but the show might just side step it altogether.

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 Leonard says Penny is hot and pretty too much? 

No not at all, the problem is that it seems to be the only thing he says about her. Penny talks about how sweet and smart he is but Leonard always goes straight to 'Penny hot' every time

 

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They have a whole life together in common 

Yup I agree that those things must be there (or they would have broken up by now) but we never see it on the show. All we ever see is them standing at the Kitchen island or worrying that they are not 'young and fun' anymore. They have looked like a very settled married couple in scenes holding onto each other and I like that but I'd like to see a return to the sweetness of a few seasons ago personally

[5Mississippis]

11 minutes ago, Strawberry PopTart Fan said:

[ -- SNIP -- ]

 Leonard says Penny is hot and pretty too much?  I never had a problem with any man I've been with telling me that. Lots of women appreciate a complement from their beloved whether they are goddesses or not. It's nice to know that your partner finds you attractive ...

[ -- SNIP -- ]

My take on this and YMMV, but I always got the impression that Leonard feels that when he compliments Penny's beauty, he is swimming in safe waters and that it will not elicit, to him, a confusing and/or angry response.

In the past, when he did approach educational matters, Penny reacted very strongly. The first incident at the end of Bad Fish, I truly believe that Leonard honestly didn't understand or fully appreciate the depths of Penny's insecurity concerning her intelligence. She mistook one's education level for intelligence when Leonard came to the door with the pamphlet and her reaction was acidic. Leonard, right then and there, learned a lesson. 

The next time with the paper on slavery, Leonard knew and definitely struggled with whether to help her or not. Wanting her to not fail, as I too believe she surely would have with her theme 'Slavery is Bad', he rewrote it. And again, because she wanted to stand or fail on her own, which was more important to her, understandably, she reacted very strongly. From her history class, I don't know if Penny learned anything, but Leonard sure did. I truly think that Leonard mentions her beauty because he knows that, in response, Penny won't hand him his nuggets.

When it comes to Penny's attributes, the ultimate reasons, I believe, were given to Raj during Spaghetti: '... she'll be beautiful. And kind, and warm, and sexy, and funny. Everything you ever wanted in a woman ...'

[Strawberry PopTart Fan]

9 minutes ago, 5Mississippis said:

My take on this and YMMV, but I always got the impression that Leonard feels that when he compliments Penny's beauty, he is swimming in safe waters and that it will not elicit, to him, a confusing and/or angry response.

In the past, when he did approach educational matters, Penny reacted very strongly. The first incident at the end of Bad Fish, I truly believe that Leonard honestly didn't understand or fully appreciate the depths of Penny's insecurity concerning her intelligence. She mistook one's education level for intelligence when Leonard came to the door with the pamphlet and her reaction was acidic. Leonard, right then and there, learned a lesson. 

The next time with the paper on slavery, Leonard knew and definitely struggled with whether to help her or not. Wanting her to not fail, as I too believe she surely would have with her theme 'Slavery is Bad', he rewrote it. And again, because she wanted to stand or fail on her own, which was more important to her, understandably, she reacted very strongly. From her history class, I don't know if Penny learned anything, but Leonard sure did. I truly think that Leonard mentions her beauty because he knows that, in response, Penny won't hand him his nuggets.

When it comes to Penny's attributes, the ultimate reasons, I believe, were given to Raj during Spaghetti: '... she'll be beautiful. And kind, and warm, and sexy, and funny. Everything you ever wanted in a woman ...'

Yes. And it is my firm belief that Penny loves Leonard because he is kind and warm and sexy and funny too.  Actually they value many of the same things in each other.

[veejay]

31 minutes ago, Strawberry PopTart Fan said:

Yes. And it is my firm belief that Penny loves Leonard because he is kind and warm and sexy and funny too.  Actually they value many of the same things in each other.

From molecules to Mrs. Hofstadter. 

...it's not a physics thing.

Edited March 4, 2016 by veejay

[Stephen Hawking]

1 hour ago, Strawberry PopTart Fan said:

Next week we'll go see the one you pick.

Except they never did go to see a movie Leonard picked.

From The Ornithophobia Diffusion:-

Leonard: Actually, you know what? I think it’s about time I pick a movie we see.

Penny: You pick plenty of movies.

Leonard: No. You always picked, and it was always the same. An hour and a half of beach houses in the rain until the woman turns around and realizes love was here all along.

Penny: But come on, that is a great movie, and it starts in ten minutes.

Leonard: I hate those movies.

Penny: No, you don’t.

Leonard: Yes, I do. The only reason I went is because you wanted to see them, and I wanted to have sex. To this day, I can’t see a Sandra Bullock movie poster without getting both bored and aroused.

Edited March 4, 2016 by Stephen Hawking

[Tonstar17]

1 hour ago, Stephen Hawking said:

3 hours ago, Strawberry PopTart Fan said:

Next week we'll go see the one you pick.

 

Except they never did go to see a movie Leonard picked.

From The Ornithophobia Diffusion:-

Leonard: Actually, you know what? I think it’s about time I pick a movie we see.

Penny: You pick plenty of movies.

Leonard: No. You always picked, and it was always the same. An hour and a half of beach houses in the rain until the woman turns around and realizes love was here all along.

Penny: But come on, that is a great movie, and it starts in ten minutes.

Leonard: I hate those movies.

Penny: No, you don’t.

Leonard: Yes, I do. The only reason I went is because you wanted to see them, and I wanted to have sex. To this day, I can’t see a Sandra Bullock movie poster without getting both bored and aroused.

 

^^^^^^

And like you shamy keep saying about shamy and stuff happens in the background that we don't see. Like maloro said the funnys is them arguing. Them going to a movie they both enjoy wouldn't be funny so yeah, not shown.   Lenny are married and love each other. Done deal.

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