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Michy, if you are still around...can you let me know any behind the scenes activities?   Were there any cute moments between cast?  I am sure this was hard on both Johnny and Kaley and Jim and Mayim because both couples have strong friendships there and playing this must have been difficult for both.  So anything you can share there?

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And yes..this is part of it.  The writers are yet again making their characters not follow past characteristics and suddenly become different people out of the blue.  I really hate their lack of attention to that and it is very disappointing to watch characters you love suddenly become someone you don't know.   They are really butchering Leonard and Amy and in a way Sheldon because he too is acting different   It just seems too far-fetched that suddenly everyone drank the same water and went nuts.

How is Sheldon acting different. He was pushing for an answer....he needs closure....they did a whole episode dealing with that. He probably kept asking just like in that episode about him being annoying....she left and never answered. He said...."She knows I'm right."

To me it sounds exactly like that.

Leonard has kissed others while dating another....not that out of character....he also hooked up with someone who was out with Howard, even if she said that she was never going to see him again. And he knew this was wrong. HE had told Sheldon the same thing when she left with Lalita who was out with Raj. I am not sure why this seems out of character for Leonard. He is not a saint. I agree that it makes no sense that the writers did this to them but it isn't out of character. He has done this before. I don't care if he really thought he was in a relationship with Priya or not, he still kissed Alice and that was not right.

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Wow. So..... the writers did everything we thought would be most disastrous for them to do, and found creatively soapy and terrible ways of doing them? I am.... impressed, actually.

a ) Sheldon and Amy break up: aie aie aie. Really? Amy flies off the handle in a moment of.... something....... during the S8 finale, and takes a breather because Sheldon is 'too much'. After enduring S6!Sheldon, S7!Sheldon and Runaway!Sheldon, a Sheldon who murmurs one dumb thing during a makeout session is apparently the Sheldon she can't deal with. But fine, fine, fine. I'm hoping that the break will induce Amy to think about what she truly wants out of a relationship with Sheldon, and for Sheldon to use his words and not put the burden of driving the relationship on Amy the whole damn time. 'Surely they won't break up over this', I think.

And indeed, no, they don't break up over this. They break up over the return of S6!HR Office!Sheldon, making a special appearance just so as to give Amy an excuse to break up with him, because what the writers really want is some sort of on/again, off/again relationship, because the writers' romantic ideal is apparently Ross and Rachel off Friends.

b ) Leonard and Penny get married, only to discover that the shadow of Leonard's little playmate is to always come between them: holy shit, writers. You pulled the Leonard kiss out of your bumholes last season, and I thought 'Well, surely they won't get married now. Leonard sabotaged the wedding! They'll have an honest conversation about their doubts and fears and re-establish their relationship on honest, adult ground.' I would SUCK if Penny were to just shrug her shoulders and go through with it. Why would you bring up a revelation so devastating and go nowhere with it?'

Well, they're not going nowhere with it. The girl's still around, but now the stakes have been taken up a serious degree. Because what the show really likes for Lenny is the constant shadow of the sexuality or romantic past of one partner or the other. Because.......the writers have been watching a lot of David Mamet, I guess? Lord knows.

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Didn't I call it first?

I don't think so T, I think you got one of the words, but I believe I was the first to get the whole title.  I'll go back and check in the morning, if I'm wrong I'll post that I'm wrong. If I'm right, I won't say anything. How's that?

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Michy, if you are still around...can you let me know any behind the scenes activities?   Were there any cute moments between cast?  I am sure this was hard on both Johnny and Kaley and Jim and Mayim because both couples have strong friendships there and playing this must have been difficult for both.  So anything you can share there?

We didn't see much of anything as nearly everything was shot on swing sets. There was a few out takes with Johnny. 1 With Mayim 1 with Jim. Thats about it.

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We didn't see much of anything as nearly everything was shot on swing sets. There was a few out takes with Johnny. 1 With Mayim 1 with Jim. Thats about it.

Ah...okay..thanks.   Thanks for letting me know.

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I don't think so T, I think you got one of the words, but I believe I was the first to get the whole title.  I'll go back and check in the morning, if I'm wrong I'll post that I'm wrong. If I'm right, I won't say anything. How's that?

Nah, no worries.  I'm just running my mouth--or fingers.  I don't actually care.  LOL

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So if I understand this correctly the unexpected twist was that Leonard still works with boat girl. Wonder who it is and if it is someone we know already.

Also sounds like it ends with Leonard on the couch with Sheldon. I find it interesting that Sheldon is completely faithful but also a complete ass and that Leonard is an easy to get along with nice guy but also a cheater.

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On 12.8.2015 at 9:08 AM, djsurrey said:

So if I understand this correctly the unexpected twist was that Leonard still works with boat girl. Wonder who it is and if it is someone we know already.

Also sounds like it ends with Leonard on the couch with Sheldon. I find it interesting that Sheldon is completely faithful but also a complete ass and that Leonard is an easy to get along with nice guy but also a cheater.

It's a sitcom, isn'it?

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BTW, thank you so much, kazzie   :shy:

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Star him chasing her IS comedy though. And to me that sounds pretty darn funny And ending with them walking together is such a good sign Stunned like you are but for different reasons. I am stunned that Shamy fans cannot see the positives in this episode and are focusing on a throw away line. Dont know what people expected But personally I don't Shamy was the couple put through the ringer in this episode Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Sorry, I have to disagree.   Their storyline started off okay,  but I can't say I am happy with the way it ended.   I'm not distraught by it,  but happy is definitely not the word I would use.   I felt so heartbroken for Sheldon and felt like Amy let her emotions get the better of her.   Sheldon is pretty destroyed by this and at the end of the scene with Penny I saw someone who felt a bit betrayed.  That doesn't make me happy.   And while Jim was fantastic tonight and I do like that they are showing how affected by this Sheldon is,  I can't say I am a fan of all of the drama.  The problem is to make the story work the drama has to continue with both storylines.   Too much for this show if you ask me. 

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Sorry, I have to disagree.   Their storyline started off okay,  but I can't say I am happy with the way it ended.   I'm not distraught by it,  but happy is definitely not the word I would use.   I felt so heartbroken for Sheldon and felt like Amy let her emotions get the better of her.   Sheldon is pretty destroyed by this and at the end of the scene with Penny I saw someone who felt a bit betrayed.  That doesn't make me happy.   And while Jim was fantastic tonight and I do like that they are showing how affected by this Sheldon is,  I can't say I am a fan of all of the drama.  The problem is to make the story work the drama had to continue worry both storylines.   Too much for this show if you ask me. 

If it was the end of the series it would bother me. 

As it is this makes more sense to me for Shamy than the #coituscoming hash tag. They will make up and the Shamies will be all the more excited.

 

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Sorry, I have to disagree.   Their storyline started off okay,  but I can't say I am happy with the way it ended.   I'm not distraught by it,  but happy is definitely not the word I would use.   I felt so heartbroken for Sheldon and felt like Amy let her emotions get the better of her.   Sheldon is pretty destroyed by this and at the end of the scene with Penny I saw someone who felt a bit betrayed.  That doesn't make me happy.   And while Jim was fantastic tonight and I do like that they are showing how affected by this Sheldon is,  I can't say I am a fan of all of the drama.  The problem is to make the story work the drama had to continue worry both storylines.   Too much for this show if you ask me. 

I don't think it's too much.  Sheldon was clueless as to what it was that set Amy off, but he usually is because he has such an inability to empathize, especially when it comes to the emotional subtleties of others.  Because his mind is working on several things at once, he sees no problem in thinking about a TV show while he's making out with Amy, even if he's enjoying making out with her.  She's thinking romance, he's thinking about asking her advice about the TV show.

When she wants to take a timeout, he doesn't understand what that means--a few hours?  Again, I think he thinks that she just needs to sleep on it, or eat a Luna bar or something.

I think he was upset when she told him in the finale, but I would say he was more confused than "destroyed".  He wasn't weeping or moping.  He was wondering what his next step should be, I think.  But just like his attempt to make Amy like Wil Wheaton by giving her the ST:TNG DVDs, he doesn't really get what the core of the problem is.  When he spoke to Leonard and Penny about Amy just after she left, he had no idea why she was upset.  And I think she was upset over a lot of little things that had kind of added up.

It wasn't just the distractedness, but the way it was a symptom, in her mind, of some larger issue, which is what she needed to think through.  But since he didn't get it, he thinks she's had enough time to think about it or whatever and then pushes her.  And she pushes back.

It makes sense to me.

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We always get a little myopic when we focus so much on one individual episode at a time.  This is just one page of an approximately 240 page (10 seasons times 24 episodes) novel.

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Of course I can't judge now, I have to watch the episode first, but from what I get from the wonderful people who informed us about the taping (thanks again very much)  Sheldon is regressed, he is as sexist as Sheldon in Season 6  and as annoying as Sheldon in Season 2 for the pressure he is getting on Amy. The point is that fighting for Amy may be something good for him, and I was kind of rooting for it; but that should make him progress in some sense (even remaining himself, with all his quirks and everything) but like this...I don't know. Of course, it may turn out very different on screen, lets see...now I'm disappointed...

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No she wasn't....he was being insensitive.....like he is a lot. To me it sounded like he was pushing her to make a decision if they were broken up or not and she said you know what we are.....They know their characters and just like he tried to get her to tell him he was annoying, it sounds here as if he wanted closure and she gave it to him.

That's my take. And as much as I love Ramona....not in a million years....he hated her.

I was at the taping that is not how I saw it at all.  He really wanted to know what was going on and he wanted her to speed up whatever time she needed.   That's why he told her she doesn't have all the time in the world for them to have babies. 

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Im sorry Ppl.defending Sheldon? Everyone should feel.sorry Amy. Shes been 99% in.the relationship, and maybe Sheldon 0.1%. And after five years, Sheldon reinforces why she broke up with him. By being selfish, dismissive, controlling, and obsessive. No matter who you are that is not a healthy relationship. By saying your heartbroken for Sheldon, your not only defending his actions and behaviour the past four seasons, but also belittling Amys feelings, and acting like they are not justified. Sheldon.deserved to be dumped, far as im.concerned. As a Amy fan it upsets me, they persist with.the Shamy relationship, when all Amy gets is struggle, its almost depressing at times, s4 was only good season. Sorry this is 100% Sheldons fault, shape up you better be a man lol. 

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Everyone should feel.sorry Amy.  

On general principles, I don't think there's any way people "should" feel about a given situation.

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I don't think it's too much.  Sheldon was clueless as to what it was that set Amy off, but he usually is because he has such an inability to empathize, especially when it comes to the emotional subtleties of others.  Because his mind is working on several things at once, he sees no problem in thinking about a TV show while he's making out with Amy, even if he's enjoying making out with her.  She's thinking romance, he's thinking about asking her advice about the TV show.

When she wants to take a timeout, he doesn't understand what that means--a few hours?  Again, I think he thinks that she just needs to sleep on it, or eat a Luna bar or something.

I think he was upset when she told him in the finale, but I would say he was more confused than "destroyed".  He wasn't weeping or moping.  He was wondering what his next step should be, I think.  But just like his attempt to make Amy like Wil Wheaton by giving her the ST:TNG DVDs, he doesn't really get what the core of the problem is.  When he spoke to Leonard and Penny about Amy just after she left, he had no idea why she was upset.  And I think she was upset over a lot of little things that had kind of added up.

It wasn't just the distractedness, but the way it was a symptom, in her mind, of some larger issue, which is what she needed to think through.  But since he didn't get it, he thinks she's had enough time to think about it or whatever and then pushes her.  And she pushes back.

It makes sense to me.

Phanta,  I was at the taping and to me Sheldon seemed rather affected by all of this.   He seemed pretty destroyed by it to me, especially at the end of the scene with Penny. 

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Sheldon was susposed to learn about this 1. With Proton 2. Train Trip. He has learnt nothing clearly.in terms of social.awareness sensitivity towards others. 

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Sheldon was susposed to learn about this 1. With Proton 2. Train Trip. He has learnt nothing clearly.in terms of social.awareness sensitivity towards others. 

3. send him to Penny...

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Kazzie, thank you so much for reporting! I have a question: How did it act on you? I don't know whether this is the right expression for what I mean. It all sounds quite tough to me, but I wasn't there, and I wonder how it appeared to somebody who attended and got the mood/vibes of it all.

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