[Spoilers] Discussion Topic: Season 9

[Einstein Von Brainstorm]

14 minutes ago, Tonstar17 said:

Did I quote your post. What gave you the clue. Must have been a slip of the finger. Lol. But yeah it's your right to talk about whatever you want. Your post are not boring well not all of them. sorry about that.

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Thank you, and I am sorry if you thought that I was attacking your ship, that was not my intention!

My issues are with Leonard, not Leonard and Penny  

[Tonstar17]

14 minutes ago, Tonstar17 said: Did I quote your post. What gave you the clue. Must have been a slip of the finger. Lol. But yeah it's your right to talk about whatever you want. Your post are not boring well not all of them. sorry about that.

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Thank you, and I am sorry if you thought that I was attacking your ship, that was not my intention!

My issues are with Leonard, not Leonard and Penny [emoji4] 

Cool. Can't argue with that. I have issues with Sheldon. It's all good. ☺

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[djsurrey]

I had issues with the tobacco smoking monkey. 

Amy has probably carved his brain up my now so its all good. 

Edited November 28, 2015 by djsurrey

[Squonk]

On 21-11-2015 23:35:36, djsurrey said:

So then I don't have a clue what you were talking about. Kaley has been in plenty of scenes. Often not with Johnny but she gets screen time.

No clue why you would not have a clue. I am clueless.

[Lionne]

6 hours ago, Darcyfitz said:

We spent Thanksgiving with some friends (a husband and wife) who used to be avid fans of the show, but haven't tuned in all season. Basically, they feel the show has lost some of it's magic; it's roots of comedy and science, and the husband feels especially that the relationships now dominate the show. They will still watch it on Demand, to catch up, but the wife asked me if what she'd read on social media about Sheldon and Amy was true. I answered yes, can you believe it? And she said she feels like the writers/director gave up such important spoilers because they knew man fans had flounced the show. It's one thing for fans to spoil us with taping reports, but when TPTB do it? She said it reeks of desperation. LOL~  Thoughts?

I am not sure it reeks of desperation so much as beating the spoilers which were sure to get out anyway, and also beating out the Star Wars timing. What I mean by that is: Star Wars opens the night of or night after this episode of TBBT airs. Everything out there is going to be Star Wars, Star Wars, Star Wars. Might as well put the issue of Sheldon and Amy sleeping together out now, where it can get some press and attention and be discussed or looked forward to before everything in the world is dominated by Star Wars.

But for the rest - I bought seasons 1 - 6 on DVD. I never got around to buying season 7 and 8. I have to agree that the show did lose a certain amount of it's sparkle due to the fact that hardly anything ever happened - Penny and Leonard's engagement became this huge cock tease sort of thing that drove people nuts, Sheldon and Amy's intimacy issues were dragged out, Raj's storyline gets very little traction or attention, and Howard's mother died but only because the actress herself died, not because the writers actually planned it. One of the reasons why I am loving season 9 is because things are happening; Lenny got married (finally), Shamy broke up, got back together, and have now slept together (finally), and...well, the rest has been fluffy but it's been that classic TBBT fluff - sweet and with people actually behaving as friends, not like they hate each other and can barely stand to be around each other. There's been science stuff with their work, boys stuff, Shelnard stuff and etc. on top of the relationship stuff. It has a more old-school mix feeling to it. For me, season 9 is the best episode since season 5, but if people are missing it because the show made a huge mistake in dragging out their storylines too long, I get it. 

And once people don't like it and tune out, it's hard to get them back.

 

[djsurrey]

1 hour ago, Squonk said:

No clue why you would not have a clue. I am clueless.

I'll just quote Mike...

Quote

Mr. Rostenkowski: It’s gonna be okay, son.

Howard: You really think so?

Mr. Rostenkowski: Of course...

[Squonk]

8 minutes ago, djsurrey said:

I'll just quote Mike...

Right back at ya, son.

1 hour ago, Lionne said:

I am not sure it reeks of desperation so much as beating the spoilers which were sure to get out anyway, and also beating out the Star Wars timing. What I mean by that is: Star Wars opens the night of or night after this episode of TBBT airs. Everything out there is going to be Star Wars, Star Wars, Star Wars. Might as well put the issue of Sheldon and Amy sleeping together out now, where it can get some press and attention and be discussed or looked forward to before everything in the world is dominated by Star Wars.

But for the rest - I bought seasons 1 - 6 on DVD. I never got around to buying season 7 and 8. I have to agree that the show did lose a certain amount of it's sparkle due to the fact that hardly anything ever happened - Penny and Leonard's engagement became this huge cock tease sort of thing that drove people nuts, Sheldon and Amy's intimacy issues were dragged out, Raj's storyline gets very little traction or attention, and Howard's mother died but only because the actress herself died, not because the writers actually planned it. One of the reasons why I am loving season 9 is because things are happening; Lenny got married (finally), Shamy broke up, got back together, and have now slept together (finally), and...well, the rest has been fluffy but it's been that classic TBBT fluff - sweet and with people actually behaving as friends, not like they hate each other and can barely stand to be around each other. There's been science stuff with their work, boys stuff, Shelnard stuff and etc. on top of the relationship stuff. It has a more old-school mix feeling to it. For me, season 9 is the best episode since season 5, but if people are missing it because the show made a huge mistake in dragging out their storylines too long, I get it. 

And once people don't like it and tune out, it's hard to get them back.

 

I liked how your post went from very optimistic to very down, but Squonk sad.

Edited November 29, 2015 by Squonk

[3ku11]

To be fair Lio sums up my feelings on the show Since Season 6. One big cocktease LOL. Now they are done teasing, and stuff is happening. The subset of the audience who tuned out woulden't know. The some who stuck around me (I have no idea why) are seeing S9 as one of the best since S7. I never bought S6 dvds. I have dvds 1-5. It loses its spark after that, as most sitcoms do. S9 is a show returning to its very best form imo. Because last season nothing happened. And they were trying to write drama, instead of comedy. This season Lenny being the young married couple they were always destined to be since 1x01. Shamy finally doing the deed e.t.c. It's moved things along. It's almost like watching a glacier in the middle of the north pole suddenly stand still. Then after three years and its moving!! LOL. That's how I feel anyway, S9 may if its consistent become my fav season since Season 3. Reminds of how Friends revitalized itself in S8, with fresh new storylines.

Edited November 29, 2015 by 3ku11

[djsurrey]

There was some good stuff in season 8.

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Dr Hofstadter: Leonard, I always made you earn my affection, but today I realize that there’s more than one way to raise a child.

Sheldon: I taught her that.

Dr Hofstadter: Therefore, I would like to initiate a new protocol wherein I shower you with unconditional love.

Leonard: Wow. When does that start?

Dr Hofstadter: So needy. Come to Mommy.

Penny: It’s okay, go ahead.

Dr Hofstadter: Oh, my son.

Leonard: Oh, my mother.

Penny: Oh, my God.

 

[Stephen Hawking]

9 hours ago, 3ku11 said:

I never bought S6 dvds. I have dvds 1-5. It loses its spark after that, as most sitcoms do.

I thought there were some brilliant episodes, in S6.

Date Night Variable was great, especially Sheldon's Spiderman quote, and Penny throwing out Raj, for badgering her to say ILY to Leonard.

In Decoupling Fluctuation, the way Amy remains calm, while Penny is shouting at her, is so funny. Also, Amy and Bernadette's impressions, of Leonard's Puppy Dog eyes were brilliant, along with Amy's dead-pan "Well, if that’s all it takes, it’s a good thing you don’t have a dog".  

Then there's my favorite episode, Fish Guts. It's just comedic gold, from start to finish.

Edited November 29, 2015 by Stephen Hawking

[5Mississippis]

On November 28, 2015 6:42:47 AM, Einstein Von Brainstorm said:

1) I don't think I'm being harsh at all so we'll have to agree to disagree  as for the last part, he did do it to Penny though  when he started talking in the car I rolled my eyes and said "ugh not this again" ... then there were some swear words but I was not shocked by it.

2) Yes people can change and are not forever held to what they have done in the past so what happened with Pryia I guess could be written off as something he did when he was young? BUT the North Sea incident was two years ago, he only fessed up about it 6 and half months ago and he just got caught sneaking around behind Penny's back to read her journal.

I believe that sneakiness is a character trait of Leonard's, like when he enjoyed flirting with Alex and did not feel the need to tell Penny about it. They have shown him making attempts to be a better man for Penny but they keep coming back to him doing sneaky things! Clearly the writers think that is a part of his character too.

I've seen people complaining that Leonard and Penny don't have an 'arc' as such this season but now that they are happily married the big issue events for them story wise don't seem all that appealing at all!

They seem to like to play with this element of him and the commitment issues with Penny. Now that they are married presumably Penny's commitment issues are resolved which leaves Leonard's issues to rear their ugly head again or a 'maybe baby' storyline to keep them interesting as a couple?

If Season 9 Leonard and Penny is a choice between the cute little moments like the 'husband shaming' and big marital issues I know which I would choose! and then if Season 10 is gonna be the last one then we can see them getting a house and having smart and beautiful children  

 

Leonard DID NOT flirt with Alex.

When we first meet Alex in The Higgs Boson Observation, it is after she delivers the frozen yogurt to Sheldon, Leonard invites her to join them at their table. Even after Sheldon shares with Leonard what he learned on British TV dramas that ‘servants dine downstairs with their own kind’ so as to avoid ‘cruelly tempting them with a glimpse of a world that’s just beyond their soot stained fingertips’, ignoring this, Leonard once again extends the invitation to join them. There is no flirting here, just fun dialogue about the search for extra-terrestrial intelligence which ends when Sheldon chokes on the cherry stem.

Spying in the wings, it is Amy and Penny who pick up on Alex’s interest in Leonard. Leonard is clueless.

Even later in the episode, when Penny is questioning Leonard about his day, his stories revolve around the cherry stem that hit Raj in the eye and the Grover puppet. For Leonard, Alex isn’t even a blip on his radar.

Alex’s interest in Leonard next surfaces in The Egg Salas Equivalency. While he is playing giant Jenga, Alex tells him about the lecture she is attending. Even though Leonard expresses interest in the lecture, he tells Alex that he’s ‘supposed to hang out with Penny’ and that she’s not ‘into that stuff’.  It was then that Alex offers to discuss it with him over dinner, which Leonard is clearly startled by. In the very next scene, Leonard goes to his friends asking them for advice on how to handle this. It is during this conversation that Leonard fully admits that even though he is clearly flattered by the attention, he 1) isn’t going to do anything about it and; 2) he loves Penny. The story takes off from there after Sheldon’s insertion into the situation because, per Sheldon, Alex needs to be ‘solely focused on my needs’ and not Leonard’s ‘pasty, androgynous brand of sexuality.’

In this Alex story arc, Leonard can be faulted with being flattered at the attentions Alex was giving him but he never flirted with her or reciprocated on her interest because he had none. 

 

Edited November 29, 2015 by 5Mississippis
Removed spaces

[Carlos]

7 hours ago, djsurrey said:

There was some good stuff in season 8.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day. I hated S8 even if there were some good episodes. The moms episode was good, and the Leonard commencement speech was great as well. IMO there might have been maybe four other great episodes besides the two I just mentioned, but in general the season was horrible for me. In regards to previous comments, by both Lio and 3ku11 I also bought the blu-rays for S1 through S6 but stopped there. S6 is one my favorites. I started liking the episodes less and less beginning in S7, and S8 just confirmed my bad feelings. There are still good episodes that justify my viewing, but I do so more because I want to see how the story ends , and not so much because of how much I like each particular episode.

[djsurrey]

4 hours ago, Carlos said:

Even a broken clock is right twice a day. [snip]

While a broken clock will show the right time twice a day that has nothing to do with a tv show. 

[Stephen Hawking]

6 hours ago, 5Mississippis said:

There is no flirting here, just fun dialogue about the search for extra-terrestrial intelligence which ends when Sheldon chokes on the cherry stem.

I love the look on Raj's face, when Leonard says "Oh, that happens to be Dr. Koothrappali’s field of expertise. You two have a lot to talk about."  

[Einstein Von Brainstorm]

20 hours ago, Lionne said:

But for the rest - I bought seasons 1 - 6 on DVD. I never got around to buying season 7 and 8. I have to agree that the show did lose a certain amount of it's sparkle due to the fact that hardly anything ever happened - Penny and Leonard's engagement became this huge cock tease sort of thing that drove people nuts, Sheldon and Amy's intimacy issues were dragged out, Raj's storyline gets very little traction or attention, and Howard's mother died but only because the actress herself died, not because the writers actually planned it. One of the reasons why I am loving season 9 is because things are happening; Lenny got married (finally), Shamy broke up, got back together, and have now slept together (finally), and...well, the rest has been fluffy but it's been that classic TBBT fluff - sweet and with people actually behaving as friends, not like they hate each other and can barely stand to be around each other. There's been science stuff with their work, boys stuff, Shelnard stuff and etc. on top of the relationship stuff. It has a more old-school mix feeling to it. For me, season 9 is the best episode since season 5, but if people are missing it because the show made a huge mistake in dragging out their storylines too long, I get it. 

And once people don't like it and tune out, it's hard to get them back.

 

You might be onto something there, the trailers for the start of Season 9 were all about the wedding and now they are leaking the Coitus news maybe they are trying to win back viewers who got bored of things being dragged out! 

[djsurrey]

They call them promotional for a reason.

(It's not a secret. Everybody knows.)

https://youtu.be/Qt91cyc27RU?t=1m14s

Edited November 29, 2015 by djsurrey

[Carlos]

3 hours ago, djsurrey said:

While a broken clock will show the right time twice a day that has nothing to do with a tv show. 

Of course it does. What that means is that even if S8 was a horrible season it did have some good episodes. One thing doesn't preclude the other, as with a clock.

[djsurrey]

1 hour ago, Carlos said:

Of course it does. What that means is that even if S8 was a horrible season it did have some good episodes. One thing doesn't preclude the other, as with a clock.

Well no. The broken clock is correct twice a day because the time of day is naturally periodic. There is no similar mechanism to make an occasional good episode. 

Edited November 30, 2015 by djsurrey

[walnutcowboy]

 FYI A broken clock is right 2 out of every 86,400 seconds.

[Tensor]

3 hours ago, djsurrey said:

Well no. The broken clock is correct twice a day because the time of day is naturally periodic. There is no similar mechanism to make an occasional good episode. 

Pssssttttt, it's a metaphor. 

[Carlos]

4 hours ago, djsurrey said:

Well no. The broken clock is correct twice a day because the time of day is naturally periodic. There is no similar mechanism to make an occasional good episode. 

Ok, whatever you say dj you are always right.. in your mind if nowhere else.

[3ku11]

New episode next Friday (nz time). Oh god have mercy on our souls lol. A broken clock is a good metaphor for terrible s8. Some good episodes, but generally not on time . But tbh i well be glad.when this Shamy rubbish is over. Now that storyline is wrapped up. Show can finnally move forward with some light hearted, fluffy plots.

Edited November 30, 2015 by 3ku11

[Mislav]

8 hours ago, Carlos said:

Ok, whatever you say dj you are always right.. in your mind if nowhere else.

Oh, the irony...

[wowbagger]

you guys, I have a new 'ship. Forget shamy. I am all about Carlos and mislav. Carlav? Mislos? I'll workshop it.

NOW KISS EACH OTHER, YOU BRILLIANT FOOLS!

Edited November 30, 2015 by wowbagger

[3ku11]

I ship it haha. But as for 9x10 I can't say I am looking forward to the episode, Shamy just ain't my cup of tea. But I am glad they are finally banging, dragged that out enough. More interested in the star wars element. So no taping till next week, and no new episode to next week.