[Spoilers] Discussion Topic: Season 9

[3ku11]

Shamy is not everyones cup of tea. I have issue with the show dedicating two episodes to their relationship, it is absurd. This is an ensemble series. Why they think suddenly Shamy take more precedence over the other characters I have no idea. Shamy having sex is great, but it feels like its taken over the whole show. When it should just be Plot A or B e.t.c. I guess at least they are not dragging it out anymore. But personally I am really sick of Shamy, sorry not sorry. It was fun at first, seeing Sheldon in a relationship. But I really miss Sheldon being single, sorry that is just my personal preference.

[Einstein Von Brainstorm]

11 hours ago, Chrismo said:

It remains to be seen if it worked well within the storyline since the episode hasn't been shown yet. The last time coitus was mentioned was season 6 (by Penny) so I don't see how he was actually thinking about it.  It was about time for it to happen but the way it happened seemed rush. I'm not sure it was so much Sheldon deciding to "man up"  it was more no other woman would put up with his crap. The storyline, especially in the upcoming episode, was so skewed in Sheldon's favor it made things simple to get Amy back.

You sure about that?!

[Chrismo]

5 minutes ago, Einstein Von Brainstorm said:

You sure about that?!

If it wasn't 6.14 when was it?

58 minutes ago, legacy99 said:

First I'm happy that the shamys are getting what they waited along time for but you have to think no matter how much they've read on the Internet this is the first time for both of them and i will be more awkward than anything

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Too bad the tag couldn't be Amy with the girls and Penny asking how was coitus and Amy responding I waited over 5 years for that. LOL

[Kasey]

41 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

 

Too bad the tag couldn't be Amy with the girls and Penny asking how was coitus and Amy responding I waited over 5 years for that. LOL

That would probably be closer to the truth than anything else...seriously.

[Tomasina]

2 hours ago, Chrismo said:

 

So he could of just laid in bed while Amy was on top doing all the work. That would explain the hair and being out of breath.

Wouldn't explain amy's hair.  That would have kept her hair relatively neat even if she tossed her head around. 

[vonmar]

1 minute ago, Tomasina said:

Wouldn't explain amy's hair.  That would have kept her hair relatively neat even if she tossed her head around. 

Maybe she put his love of repetition to good use?  

(sorry, not sorry)

[stardustmelody]

2 hours ago, Carlos said:

I agree with everything you say in your post, and it does make a whole lot of sense, but I have to ask you because you have more in depth knowledge of Shamy , it being your ship: doesn't it seem rushed when you compare it with the rest of the relationship?  Of course I understand that having lost Amy and getting her back must have shook Sheldon to his core, but it seems a tad too quick for my taste. Another important thing that came out of the split/reconciliation thing was that it made Sheldon overcome what , for me at least , was the biggest thing stopping progress before which was that while Sheldon loved Amy before, he used to love himself much more. I don't know if the "balance of power" has shifted completely, but I think it's much closer, and that Sheldon loves Amy enough to be able to put her wishes and well being before his own.

Yes and no.  I was more surprised that the writers decided to place coitus before engagement to be honest.   I suppose I created in my mind that this would be one time on TV that they would go the "old fashioned, traditional route" with this couple and show a couple that had coitus for the first time on their wedding night, something you NEVER see on TV anymore.   But they didn't and I had to get over that shock more than the timing of the coitus.   I figured he would move fast to an engagement, but instead it was coitus.   I think the engagement is likely still to come fairly soon (maybe 200th episode).   Why?  Because Sheldon learned what it was like to not have Amy.  

He fears losing her again and will do everything in his ability to feel secure that they are a "forever" couple and bound to each other.  Coitus in this case was his first step instead of engagement and the route I had made up in my mind, but whether coitus makes sense timing wise, in this case yes.  It is his way to prove his love for her and also to finally move on something he had been wanting for himself as well (because I believe he has been interested in her sexually for a very long time and just had to get over fears of failure and "germs" first).   He got over the germ phobia, but it had to be frightening to him to give himself to her after convincing himself he was an overlord and didn't need romance and love, etc.   

So coitus coming now is timed well because it is showing her 1) he gave up something he truly loves, going to Star Wars VII premiere, in favor of celebrating her birthday, 2) giving her something that is the most intimate thing he can give her to show her how much she means to him, 3) proves that he is putting her first and treasures her, something she was questioning when she broke up with him, and 4) shows her that he truly did learn from the experience and grew as a result and realized that she is number one in his life.   He wanted to make her happy and satisfy her and bring them together more intimately than ever before.   So yes, timing makes sense from that perspective.   

I will agree that because we did not see Amy's POV through this, and because we never saw them hash things out verbally about the breakup, but I think his actions are proving that the discussion was not required... he "got it"...he understood why she might have left him and what was troubling her (that comes out more in Episode 9.10 Earworm) without the words being necessary.   What I do love is that he figured it out on his own, without friends helping (which they really were not any help through any of this entire process and while annoying, it is good the writers chose this direction), and without Amy having to explain it to him.  It is like he finally realized how much he loves her and that he finally "got her" without her having to say a word or anyone else having to tell him.   That is kind of beautiful.   So that supports the timing as well.

[Chrismo]

28 minutes ago, Tomasina said:

Wouldn't explain amy's hair.  That would have kept her hair relatively neat even if she tossed her head around. 

But she could also been bobbin her head up and down to.

[Tomasina]

18 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

But she could also been bobbin her head up and down to.

Nope. Not unless he felt the urge to use his hands to coach her during her impression of a chicken pecking for corn.

[phantagrae]

1 hour ago, Chrismo said:

If it wasn't 6.14 when was it?

Too bad the tag couldn't be Amy with the girls and Penny asking how was coitus and Amy responding I waited over 5 years for that. LOL

Why would you want it to be like that?

[Chrismo]

3 minutes ago, phantagrae said:

Why would you want it to be like that?

Isn't the show suppose to be funny? By the way did it upset you when they make fun of Leonard's sexual prowess.

[hokie3457]

This may be an unpopular POV, but I am so, so sick of the word coitus....

[Einstein Von Brainstorm]

1 hour ago, Chrismo said:

If it wasn't 6.14 when was it?

In 6x23 The Love Spell Potential - Sheldon and Amy act out a D&D sex fantasy, Amy asks if they ever will be physical and he says that he has not "ruled it out"

9x01 Sheldon acuses Amy of wanting to get her first notch on her bed post and tells her that her eggs have an expiration date.
9x02 he makes makes reference to 'invading her southern borders'. 
9x08 he announces that he "wouldn't coitus her with yours!' about Vanessa.
9x09 he asks Amy if she had sex with any of the men she dated, twice.

Sheldon has made reference to his relationship status in nearly every episode this season and made more sex references (pertaining to himself) in the first 9 episodes of season 9 than he ever had before.

It's like Chuck Lorre said: 

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missing Amy was wearing on him in a way he hadn't anticipated

He was clearly thinking more about relationships and sex in general during this breakup and missing her helped spur him to move forward and pursue their relationship more aggressively. 

In 9x09 he is offered the chance to have a relationship with Amy again, he rejects it and has Amy back in his life as a friend. The next episode, maybe a week later? he can't get her out of his head and realised that friendship alone is not what he wants.

He has the fun friend he makes 'fun with flags' videos with and plays made up games with back in his life, he can have all of that without any romantic obligations but he realises that is not what he wants. They have been very close for five and a half years, the only thing that was stopping them from being fully intimate with each other was his hesitation and as soon as that is gone why wouldn't they go to bed?

[Sshrews]

1 hour ago, Kasey said:

That would probably be closer to the truth than anything else...seriously.

While we are accustomed to the characters and they are very real as they are remember this is just a TV show and it is very entertaining. They do a great job to make things real. However some things have to be taken with a grain of salt. It will be funny to see how they Explore all the angles of this

33 minutes ago, Einstein Von Brainstorm said:

In 6x23 The Love Spell Potential - Sheldon and Amy act out a D&D sex fantasy, Amy asks if they ever will be physical and he says that he has not "ruled it out"

9x01 Sheldon acuses Amy of wanting to get her first notch on her bed post and tells her that her eggs have an expiration date.
9x02 he makes makes reference to 'invading her southern borders'. 
9x08 he announces that he "wouldn't coitus her with yours!' about Vanessa.
9x09 he asks Amy if she had sex with any of the men she dated, twice.

Sheldon has made reference to his relationship status in nearly every episode this season and made more sex references (pertaining to himself) in the first 9 episodes of season 9 than he ever had before.

It's like Chuck Lorre said: 

He was clearly thinking more about relationships and sex in general during this breakup and missing her helped spur him to move forward and pursue their relationship more aggressively. 

In 9x09 he is offered the chance to have a relationship with Amy again, he rejects it and has Amy back in his life as a friend. The next episode, maybe a week later? he can't get her out of his head and realised that friendship alone is not what he wants.

He has the fun friend he makes 'fun with flags' videos with and plays made up games with back in his life, he can have all of that without any romantic obligations but he realises that is not what he wants. They have been very close for five and a half years, the only thing that was stopping them from being fully intimate with each other was his hesitation and as soon as that is gone why wouldn't they go to bed?

Well I never enjoyed the break up stories or even the angle in general I think the ending is being handled pretty well for the ultimate payoff. It will be entertaining to see.

Edited December 3, 2015 by Sshrews

[Chocoholic]

20 hours ago, vonmar said:

Maybe she put his love of repetition to good use?  

(sorry, not sorry)

I'm new here and don't understand/know how the 'Like' thing works. So I'll just say it... That's a great comment. Made me chuckle.

[Carlos]

5 hours ago, jenafan said:

Time efficient for what?   To just get it over with?   To get to the SW premiere?    He gave away his ticket.

If that were the case, he would have jumped her as soon as he walked in the door to get it over with.   He wouldn't have gone to the trouble to have a conversation with his own conscience through PP about worrying about getting overwhelmed, and perhaps part of that overwhelming feeling was concern about it being over too quickly.

There is a reason he went to Penny to ask her for advise on what to do.  He bought flowers.  He wanted to go to dinner, first.   He clearly was not trying to get this over with.   He was wanting to make it perfect.

I don't see Sheldon telling anyone they did it quickly.   I see him bragging about his prowess, because he has to excel at everything he does.   

He's constantly teasing Penny about her disappointing coitus with Leonard.   He definitely doesn't want to be put in the same category regarding his own performance.

Sheldon has never acted quickly on anything with Amy.   He may emulate The Flash, but I'm sure in the bedroom he's trying not to, nor does he want to be portrayed as such.

Sheldon is the king of denial, and he may try to skirt the topic, but he won't lie about it.   

I agree with everything you say. However, in regards to the sentence I bolded, I think Sheldon is very aware that Penny, and by extension Leonard, really know what they're doing when it comes to coitus, and only teases them because he like to jokingly put them down. Although he'd never say it out loud he'd be proud to be out into the same category (in regards to sexual prowess) as a "big ol' five" and her "homunculus".

[djsurrey]

59 minutes ago, Einstein Von Brainstorm said:

In 6x23 The Love Spell Potential - Sheldon and Amy act out a D&D sex fantasy, Amy asks if they ever will be physical and he says that he has not "ruled it out"

9x01 Sheldon acuses Amy of wanting to get her first notch on her bed post and tells her that her eggs have an expiration date.
9x02 he makes makes reference to 'invading her southern borders'. 
9x08 he announces that he "wouldn't coitus her with yours!' about Vanessa.
9x09 he asks Amy if she had sex with any of the men she dated, twice.

Sheldon has made reference to his relationship status in nearly every episode this season and made more sex references (pertaining to himself) in the first 9 episodes of season 9 than he ever had before.

It's like Chuck Lorre said: 

He was clearly thinking more about relationships and sex in general during this breakup and missing her helped spur him to move forward and pursue their relationship more aggressively. 

In 9x09 he is offered the chance to have a relationship with Amy again, he rejects it and has Amy back in his life as a friend. The next episode, maybe a week later? he can't get her out of his head and realised that friendship alone is not what he wants.

He has the fun friend he makes 'fun with flags' videos with and plays made up games with back in his life, he can have all of that without any romantic obligations but he realises that is not what he wants. They have been very close for five and a half years, the only thing that was stopping them from being fully intimate with each other was his hesitation and as soon as that is gone why wouldn't they go to bed?

To me this has red flag written all over it. The next day will it be back to the old Sheldon or are the bongo's coming out?  I doubt Sheldon is suddenly become near "normal".

Of course anything can happen on a sitcom; does not have to be real at all.

[Carlos]

1 hour ago, Chrismo said:

But she could also been bobbin her head up and down to.

Hahahahah Good one!

[Carlos]

1 hour ago, stardustmelody said:

Yes and no. (Snip) That is kind of beautiful.   So that supports the timing as well.

I agree with almost everything you're saying, but I would have liked to have seen Amy's POV, at least a little bit, even if it wasn't completely necessary. I would have wished we didn't have to fill in the blanks do much in regards to the conversation we didn't see them have. In regards to the rest of your post thank you for explaining me your thought process as to why the coitus doesn't seem rushed to you. I don't know why I can't completely wrap my head around the quickness of it even if everything you say makes perfect sense. I talked about it the other day, and I believe that sometimes our own built in expectations color the way we see the show. Personal bias is intrinsic to each and every one of us and can be hard to overcome.

Two last thoughts:

1) Happy for all Shamies. (Would like to see a Lenny story arc, I mean a real story arc for them)

2) I want to see all episodes of this season one after the other to see how the story actually plays out.

[Einstein Von Brainstorm]

9 minutes ago, djsurrey said:

To me this has red flag written all over it. The next day will it be back to the old Sheldon or are the bongo's coming out?  I doubt Sheldon is suddenly become near "normal".

Of course anything can happen on a sitcom; does not have to be real at all.

No he's not gonna suddenly become Howard or anything!

The "do it again on your next birthday" line and him not getting what Proton was asking about (when Proton is actually him lol!) were thrown in there to reassure everyone that he is the same character just a slightly more experienced one, like the 9 fingered banjo player line after the train kiss

[jenafan]

Just now, Einstein Von Brainstorm said:

No he's not gonna suddenly become Howard or anything!

The "do it again on your next birthday" line and him not getting what Proton was asking about (when Proton is actually him lol!) were thrown in there to reassure everyone that he is the same character just a slightly more experienced one, like the 9 fingered banjo player line after the train kiss

I think the whole purpose of having Sheldon tell Amy he enjoyed it more than he thought, having them hold hands, and having him pull her into him at the end of the coitus was to show that Sheldon is not going to revert.    He's still Sheldon, but regarding his relationship with Amy, it's been sped up on purpose and taken to the next level since the reconciliation to show that the breakup made him realize just how important she is to him and that he wants everything with her now.  

In fact, I can see Amy perhaps being the one to start pulling back and getting nervous, because this is a Sheldon she doesn't recognize.    She still doesn't completely understand the effect that the loss of her had on him.

[Einstein Von Brainstorm]

8 minutes ago, jenafan said:

I think the whole purpose of having Sheldon tell Amy he enjoyed it more than he thought, having them hold hands, and having him pull her into him at the end of the coitus was to show that Sheldon is not going to revert.    He's still Sheldon, but regarding his relationship with Amy, it's been sped up on purpose and taken to the next level since the reconciliation to show that the breakup made him realize just how important she is to him and that he wants everything with her now.  

In fact, I can see Amy perhaps being the one to start pulling back and getting nervous, because this is a Sheldon she doesn't recognize.    She still doesn't completely understand the effect that the loss of her had on him.

It would be kinda hilarious if after all this time he was all for having an active love life and she was actually happy to put it off till her next Birthday  

I doubt we're gonna see much in the way of their 'private' life though, the writers normally use Lenny for their sex jokes so I don't imagine seeing them in bed again any time soon but then again who knows as Molaro did say that they were trying to do unexpected things this year!

[stardustmelody]

51 minutes ago, Carlos said:

I agree with almost everything you're saying, but I would have liked to have seen Amy's POV, at least a little bit, even if it wasn't completely necessary. I would have wished we didn't have to fill in the blanks do much in regards to the conversation we didn't see them have. In regards to the rest of your post thank you for explaining me your thought process as to why the coitus doesn't seem rushed to you. I don't know why I can't completely wrap my head around the quickness of it even if everything you say makes perfect sense. I talked about it the other day, and I believe that sometimes our own built in expectations color the way we see the show. Personal bias is intrinsic to each and every one of us and can be hard to overcome.

Two last thoughts:

1) Happy for all Shamies. (Would like to see a Lenny story arc, I mean a real story arc for them)

2) I want to see all episodes of this season one after the other to see how the story actually plays out.

Glad you understand it better.  I think you may be struggling because their story has always moved at a snails pace and then they broke up, so I guess there may be an expectation that there would be an "adjustment period" before they were truly romantically back together, especially given the episode that has aired most recently (Platonic Permutation).   Also, I agree that having Amy's POV would have been lovely.  I think we all would have preferred to have some of that in the whole break-up period because it was very frustrating as a fan to watch and to see unfold.   But sadly, Amy has and always will be a supporting character created to tell Sheldon's story.   Yes they are in a relationship, but it is always going to be told from his POV because the writers focus on the leads primarily and not the supporting characters.   We are lucky whenever we get any supporting character POV ever because most of the story is going to be written from Sheldon/Leonard/Penny POV only, and even more recently primarily Sheldon.   Hopefully we will start to see other stories now that Shamy are reunited for the other characters, including Lenny.  Lenny have acted in supporting role a lot this season and don't seem to have much of their own story.   I did enjoy them in the Thanksgiving episode, but it would be nice to see them actually get their own story that doesn't revolve around Sheldon.   Likewise for the other couples.

 

[djsurrey]

3 hours ago, Einstein Von Brainstorm said:

No he's not gonna suddenly become Howard or anything!

The "do it again on your next birthday" line and him not getting what Proton was asking about (when Proton is actually him lol!) were thrown in there to reassure everyone that he is the same character just a slightly more experienced one, like the 9 fingered banjo player line after the train kiss

Not like Howard. He could be like yee-haw Penny once was and say it was a mistake.

 

Edited December 3, 2015 by djsurrey

[3ku11]

To be fair Penny has never outright said "Leonard is bad in bed". She has referenced once he tries really hard. But other times when Leonard get's it right "Wow you really are a genius". I think Penny likes the challenge :D. Sheldon on the other hand has never had sex before. Amy never too I don't think. So if Sheldon is bad how would Amy know LOL.