[Spoilers] Discussion Topic: Season 9

[Tensor]

1 hour ago, ChrisK said:

I could care less about his point.  I don't watch the show for a specific couple or character.  I love the whole thing.  All I care about is that the ratings stay up, so it continues.  I just find it funny that he is so desperate to prove that Shamy didn't create the high ratings, that he is checking weather reports.  Unless he does have an eidetic memory. 

You care less about his point, yet you specifically answered that point?  Can you prove he checked weather reports or that he's desperate?  If not, then it's a baseless accusation.  I remembered it, (as it was a point of information I provided to explain the ratings) although I do admit to having find a specific reference to link to today).  He may have remembered that post (as he got it a bit wrong).  That doesn't make him desperate, that just means he's providing actual information about the specific incident.  

[Einstein Von Brainstorm]

25 minutes ago, Tensor said:

Individual rates are based primarily on what's known as the C3.  This is basically the Live + 3, of those who actually watch the ads( or, I should say those who don't fast forward through them).  It's been noted that the C3 rating track pretty close to the Live + SD, so watching what happens with the Live + SD gives an idea of what is happening with the C3.  This is in flux, as networks are pushing to use Live + 7 data. 

When I say viewing is down or up, it's usually based on comparisons  to the shows final averages from the previous season.  Total viewing is down, based on comparing current viewing, with the end of last season.  Total broadcast viewing is down 13%.   The show is down 15%.  So the show is down slightly from last year, compared to total viewers.   Modern Family is down 20% compared to itself last year, so it's down 5% compared to the total viewer drop off.  Empire, is down 1% compared to itself, so compared to total viewing, it's actually up 12%, as its fallen less than the number of users.  For an explanation of terms, see the first few post in the ratings thread. 

Thank you for the clarification. I think It's a bit unfair to compare these 9 episodes to the entirety of the last season though 

[Tensor]

3 hours ago, Einstein Von Brainstorm said:

That makes sense.

An aside from specific TBBT ratings ... Is this still how advertisers decide where to buy? Maybe it's the age group that I'm in but the majority of my friends watch things online or on the TV on demand services. I'm interested in how that changes things for TV show funding.

To answer your first question, yes, this is still how advertisers determine rates for television.  While there are those other methods of watching, Nielsen doesn't capture those at the moment, so advertisers care about who is watching traditional TV, how many people will see their ad on a network.  As they are not buying time on those other platforms, they don't worry about those numbers.  If they want to advertise on those other platforms, thats when they worry about the numbers for those platforms.

 Those who want to know more about how Nielsen works and  the basis for advertising rates can find an explanation in the second post of this thread.  Nielsen is working on rolling out a system that includes those who watch in a non-traditional way (live stream, subscription services, etc), but this won't affect the ad rate for broadcast television.   

 

7 minutes ago, Einstein Von Brainstorm said:

Thank you for the clarification. I think It's a bit unfair to compare these 9 episodes to the entirety of the last season though 

It's about the only way to compare the shows, considering the drop in viewers.  Since the method is applied consistently across other shows and total viewing, it give a fairly clean comparison.  

[Einstein Von Brainstorm]

1 minute ago, Tensor said:

To answer your first question, yes, this is still how advertisers determine rates for television.  While there are those other methods of watching, Nielsen doesn't capture those at the moment, so advertisers care about who is watching traditional TV, how many people will see their ad on a network.  As they are not buying time on those other platforms, they don't worry about those numbers.  If they want to advertise on those other platforms, thats when they worry about the numbers for those platforms.

 Those who want to know more about how Nielsen works and  the basis for advertising rates can find an explanation in the second post of this thread.  Nielsen is working on rolling out a system that includes those who watch in a non-traditional way (live stream, subscription services, etc), but this won't affect the ad rate for broadcast television.   

 

Thanks, I've read the posts on that thread I was more wondering about how it works in the UK as there has been a bigger shift in viewing medium over here. 

Doing a bit of googling to find out, turns out we have a version of the Nielson system too which I didn't know! http://www.barb.co.uk/resources/barb-facts/how-we-do-what-we-do and they are starting to measure 'other screens' viewers too  

[phantagrae]

12 hours ago, Chrismo said:

There was also a snow storm on the east coast the day of that episode.(March  5)  NY, Boston, DC areas  were affected. Supposedly 92 million people in all. It's safe to say many of those people were watching TV that night

 

Shamy sex is monumental. getting back together after 9 episodes is not. Tapings have been leaked as long as I have been on this forum. As tensor pointed out in an earlier post ratings are down 15 percent for the show. I'm guessing the CBS monkeys may be in a bit of a panic mode over that. I'm not sure staying ahead of the general public is the real reason for these tell all promos.

I don't think their necessarily panicking about anything.  People assume that the monkeys are wringing their hands over every little Nielsen point, but it's more likely that they're looking at a bigger picture.  Yes ratings are down, but it's still the #1 comedy on tv, no matter how old it is.  Of course they want to keep people watching, but as far as spoilers go, I think that they would like to be seen as being in control of the info that gets out there, rather than looking like they've been scooped by all the entertainment sites that get their info from places like here or from various tumbler accounts where audience members talk about the tapings.

Most shows are concerned about spoilers, just as a matter of course, but few shows have a live audience that gets the info weeks before the episode airs.  Most shows will hint at some upcoming twist or surprise, but since they're single camera episodes filmed in privacy, they have almost total control over what they want to "leak" about upcoming episodes--someone gets married, someone dies, someone maybe dies, etc..

All shows want to keep their ratings up, but I don't think a show like Big Bang, which is always in the top portion of the ratings, is in any kind of panic mode over the general ratings drop that is affecting essentially all shows.

Places where tptb might be in panic mode would be shows that are in the ratings basement, and that's not TBBT.

[Mislav]

4 hours ago, Tensor said:

You care less about his point, yet you specifically answered that point?  Can you prove he checked weather reports or that he's desperate?  If not, then it's a baseless accusation.  I remembered it, (as it was a point of information I provided to explain the ratings) although I do admit to having find a specific reference to link to today).  He may have remembered that post (as he got it a bit wrong).  That doesn't make him desperate, that just means he's providing actual information about the specific incident.  

And for what other reason would he care about the weather reports making the ratings higher? 

 

Desperate is my pick.

[Einstein Von Brainstorm]

41 minutes ago, phantagrae said:

I don't think their necessarily panicking about anything.  People assume that the monkeys are wringing their hands over every little Nielsen point, but it's more likely that they're looking at a bigger picture.  Yes ratings are down, but it's still the #1 comedy on tv, no matter how old it is.  Of course they want to keep people watching, but as far as spoilers go, I think that they would like to be seen as being in control of the info that gets out there, rather than looking like they've been scooped by all the entertainment sites that get their info from places like here or from various tumbler accounts where audience members talk about the tapings.

I'm sure I read somewhere that dvd/bluray/download sales were also taken into consideration when renewing shows now too. Anyone know how TBBT does sales wise of those? 

[Tensor]

29 minutes ago, Mislav said:

And for what other reason would he care about the weather reports making the ratings higher? 

 

Desperate is my pick.

Not sure why either of you is focusing on the weather reports.  The higher ratings-snow storm connection was  mentioned in the news at the time.  It's a fact that's been repeated and reported before this, just about every time it happens.   People not venturing out due to the weather or cancellation of other activities due to weather, spend more time watching televison, spend more time on the internet, spend more time on their game systems.  

All of those showed an increase in those area affected by the storm.   It wasn't just TBBT that had higher ratings, most of the rest of the shows that night had higher ratings also.  The number of households using televisions was higher than usual.  

Pointing out actual facts is hardly desperation.  This is almost like telling me  I'm desperate to excuse a drop in ratings because I explain the show was pre-empted in several markets, for whatever reasons (mostly football).

 

[SRAM]

Today is taping day, correct?

[April]

13 minutes ago, SRAM said:

Today is taping day, correct?

Yep.

[Mislav]

32 minutes ago, Tensor said:

Not sure why either of you is focusing on the weather reports.  The higher ratings-snow storm connection was  mentioned in the news at the time.  It's a fact that's been repeated and reported before this, just about every time it happens.   People not venturing out due to the weather or cancellation of other activities due to weather, spend more time watching televison, spend more time on the internet, spend more time on their game systems.  

All of those showed an increase in those area affected by the storm.   It wasn't just TBBT that had higher ratings, most of the rest of the shows that night had higher ratings also.  The number of households using televisions was higher than usual.  

Pointing out actual facts is hardly desperation.  This is almost like telling me  I'm desperate to excuse a drop in ratings because I explain the show was pre-empted in several markets, for whatever reasons (mostly football).

 

No, but it may be when brought up when discussing the possibility of Shamy increasing the viewership, when the real cause can't be determined anyway, especially if the said poster haven't done so during the other discussions rating wise.

[Einstein Von Brainstorm]

40 minutes ago, Tensor said:

Not sure why either of you is focusing on the weather reports.  The higher ratings-snow storm connection was  mentioned in the news at the time.  It's a fact that's been repeated and reported before this, just about every time it happens.   People not venturing out due to the weather or cancellation of other activities due to weather, spend more time watching televison, spend more time on the internet, spend more time on their game systems.  

All of those showed an increase in those area affected by the storm.   It wasn't just TBBT that had higher ratings, most of the rest of the shows that night had higher ratings also.  The number of households using televisions was higher than usual.  

Pointing out actual facts is hardly desperation.  This is almost like telling me  I'm desperate to excuse a drop in ratings because I explain the show was pre-empted in several markets, for whatever reasons (mostly football).

So do advertisers count the 'storm day' numbers as a fluke and discount them from decision making do you know?

[Tensor]

Guys, as Phanta said, there is no worry about, concerning the ratings for the show.   The average demo for all broadcast shows is currently 1.5.  The demo rating for the show, so far this year, is 4.0.  

Empire leads with 4.8 (if you take out the first two shows, it's running at 4.3).   THERE ARE NO OTHER SHOWS ABOVE A 3.0   The closest shows are The Voice, at 2.9 and Modern Family at 2.8.   Modern Family almost set a SERIES low a couple of weeks ago, with a 2.4 (Last years finale, hit a 2.3), but it was the lowest rating the show has ever had, during the non daylight saving period of it's schedule.  

The show would have to drop by 31% to get to a 3.0, it would have to drop by 266% to get down to the average demo.  Shows got renewed on CBS last year with less than a 1.5.  As I've said, it's running at a 15% drop from last years final rating, so chill.  

OH, and Skull, special circumstances with TBBT and Empire (and actually Empire beat it in finals).  Empire was on Thanksgiving eve in the US, a very low watched time period due to people traveling.  TBBT had a huge lead in off of the late afternoon NFL game (around 8.0 demo, 26 million viewers).

 

[3ku11]

I think the point is their is no direct correlation between who's in a promo to high ratings. It's pretty consistent with a 4.0 anyway. Regardless if they show Shamy in the promo, or Lenny or whatever. The show has a big audience, full of many demographics. Ratings not really bothering me, but the actual content and quality atm, which at this point is far better.

Edited December 8, 2015 by 3ku11

[bbtfan07]

Anyone heading to WB stage 25?

[Tensor]

2 hours ago, Mislav said:

No, but it may be when brought up when discussing the possibility of Shamy increasing the viewership, when the real cause can't be determined anyway, especially if the said poster haven't done so during the other discussions rating wise.

Well, since he was providing evidence for a specific circumstance for a specific date, not sure why it would be brought up in other discussions, ratings wise.  Funny, I don't see you complaining about the original claim that the ratings were higher because of the promos being released, which has no supporting evidence.  

 

2 hours ago, Einstein Von Brainstorm said:

So do advertisers count the 'storm day' numbers as a fluke and discount them from decision making do you know?

The decision making is based on the yearly average.  Which is why many of the shows on Thanksgiving eve, were designated as specials.  Specials don't count in the yearly average of the network or show.  For example, Empire had a series low 3.4 and Modern Family had a series second to lowest 2.4.  Specific examples, for a specific circumstance, for a specific date.   

 

[walnutcowboy]

 TENSOR, Welcome back !!

[Carlos]

9 hours ago, ChrisK said:

I could care less about his point.  I don't watch the show for a specific couple or character.  I love the whole thing.  All I care about is that the ratings stay up, so it continues.  I just find it funny that he is so desperate to prove that Shamy didn't create the high ratings, that he is checking weather reports.  Unless he does have an eidetic memory. 

So if you don't care about his point why do you keep on referencing it? Seems like you actually do care. If all you care about is that the ratings stay up enough so that TBBT continues, why do you keep asking about Chrismo's eidetic memory? How do you know what Chrismo's real intentions are? For someone who doesn't watch TBBT for a specific couple or character, you seem awfully invested in fighting battles that are not yours.  

[3ku11]

Yet Modern Family has won like 5 emmys, despite not being so strong in ratings, compared to Big Bang anyway. So what does that tell you? Ratings mean jack all in the big scheme of things. Not saying Awards are the be end and end all, or maybe I am haha.

[ashleyo85]

Anyone we know going to the taping tonight?

[Kasey]

6 minutes ago, 3ku11 said:

Yet Modern Family has won like 5 emmys, despite not being so strong in ratings, compared to Big Bang anyway. So what does that tell you? Ratings mean jack all in the big scheme of things. Not saying Awards are the be end and end all, or maybe I am haha.

You know, as it's been said before, the majority of TV viewers don't base their viewings on what show is winning the most awards or have the greatest ratings.  It might pull them in to watch an episode, but that is not going to keep them coming back.

IMNSHO I think TBBT is trying to emulate Modern Family in dealing with relationships more and with more intensity this season.  I'm not sure that I like that since I think it's losing some of its awesome quirkiness...

[Tensor]

28 minutes ago, walnutcowboy said:

 TENSOR, Welcome back !!

I'm not really back, and I'm not moderating.   I was here to do the weekly rankings post, and I thought I'd clear up some ratings misconceptions.

[walnutcowboy]

28 minutes ago, Tensor said:

I'm not really back, and I'm not moderating.   I was here to do the weekly rankings post, and I thought I'd clear up some ratings misconceptions.

  Well it's good to see you anyway ! 

[Tensor]

22 minutes ago, 3ku11 said:

Yet Modern Family has won like 5 emmys, despite not being so strong in ratings, compared to Big Bang anyway. So what does that tell you? Ratings mean jack all in the big scheme of things. Not saying Awards are the be end and end all, or maybe I am haha.

Nope, the ratings mean almost everything.  Ad rates are based on ratings, whether a show stays on the air is based on ratings.  Awards might give a show some latitude on whether it stays on the air, or it might get some relief based on a prestige factor, but it's still the ratings in the end.

[djsurrey]

1 hour ago, ashleyo85 said:

Anyone we know going to the taping tonight?

Hope there will be. Hoping for news.