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On 10. prosinca 2015. 13:25:02, Chrismo said:

Everyone on this thread has their bias and "generally" like one couple more than another. But to suggest an episode is going to be boring based on a taping report that doesn't feature their "couple" is just acting like a little baby. What makes it even more childish is their "couple" has had a continuous storyline this entire season.

Opinions are based on what we get. And on this forum, we get, among the other things, taping reports before the episode airs.

 
Before we get to see the episode, we can only judge it by the taping report.
 
We can't help what we feel/think after reading the taping report, and we have the right to share it with others.
 
The continuous storyline doesn't equal a good storyline.
 
I personally look forward to the episode, because I do like science related plots and I really didn't want to see Beverly get involved with Lenny again. And I like them on my own way, only not as much as Shamy. Some may won't believe me and make cheap jokes but I don't care. And it will be nice to see Shamy have a minor story plot wise but still being cute and content with their new relationship dynamic. I only really dislike Stuart subplot.
 
But not everyone has the same POV and Shamy now being back together doesn't improve the break up storyline. And episode not airing yet doesn't make the taping report completely irrelevant (when it comes to forming your opinion or it being rational or significant).

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2 hours ago, Stephen Hawking said:

According to Star Watch Byline:-

"After more than five years of dating, Sheldon and Amy spend their first night together."

That's not strictly correct. They spent a night together, in The Fortification Implementation.

Lol they diddn't have actual any phyiscal contact, let alone sex. It doesen't count. Clearly refering to "Spending the night" generally is a term of phrase, for saying two people did it. Not the literal term of actually sleeping in the same bed.

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On ‎12‎/‎12‎/‎2015‎ ‎4‎:‎44‎:‎50‎, Mislav said:

But not everyone has the same POV and Shamy now being back together doesn't improve the break up storyline. And episode not airing yet doesn't make the taping report completely irrelevant (when it comes to forming your opinion or it being rational or significant).

2 things about your last paragraph:

1) Whether you like the split story arc or not, it was necessary to change them enough that they'd be able to get to the point where they're up right now. I liked it all the way up to when Amy asked to be Sheldon's girlfriend again. That's where the writers lost me completely. However if you're a Shamy you should be happy that they're back together and have engaged in coitus, right?

2) You're correct in your assessment that the fact that the episode hasn't aired doesn't make the TR completely irrelevant when it comes to forming your opinion on the episode. However, your opinion is incomplete, and this not TOO relevant. Things play differently on screen that what we get in the TR's, not to mention that it's reasonable to assume that the bias of the person writing the TR are likely not the same as ours.

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Look from my perspective, it doesn't matter how much joy I would get if something happens, that was broken up, or teared apart. If its based on the foundation of sand, then why does it matter. But that's just me. I think it was incredibly short sighted to have Amy dump Sheldon. Only for Sheldon to come to a realization after 5 years Amy made his life better. And while I enjoyed the execution when the episode aired. It still makes little to no sense, of why they broke up in the first place. To get to this desired point. I mean Lenny since S5 never broke up, they delt with their issues together. But I guess they have more depth and understanding in their relationship then Shamy IMO.

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24 minutes ago, 3ku11 said:

Look from my perspective, it doesn't matter how much joy I would get if something happens, that was broken up, or teared apart. If its based on the foundation of sand, then why does it matter. But that's just me. I think it was incredibly short sighted to have Amy dump Sheldon. Only for Sheldon to come to a realization after 5 years Amy made his life better. And while I enjoyed the execution when the episode aired. It still makes little to no sense, of why they broke up in the first place. To get to this desired point. I mean Lenny since S5 never broke up, they delt with their issues together. But I guess they have more depth and understanding in their relationship then Shamy IMO.

WHY THE BREAKUP ..... well Amy didn't want to breakup with Sheldon ... she wanted some time to think about their relationship ... Sheldon didn't give her the time she wanted he kept pushing her and pushing her to the point that she had, had enough and she answered his question " are we broken up " with a YES .... Then every body got in a tiff because they broke up .... so ... the story line as was conceived by the writers ... the breakup of the SHAMY and what followed ... Sheldon did need this he had to realize that he NEEDED Amy that he LOVED her, that she made him a better person that they completed each other, whether her stays this way is till to be seen and a leopard doesn't change his spots he may revert to his old way after time, when they become comfortable with each other. THEN again he may not ... I see them moving in together and forcing the LENNY out to 4B ... for season 10 ...

Then LENNY in 4A was to keep Sheldon safe and sane ... then LENNY are like his parents and he their little dog who is afraid of fireworks .... his words not mine ....

Lets see how this plays out over the course of the second half of the season .... OK just relax and let nature take its course ....  

 

OH I forgot the LENNY in season 5 they didn't break up because they were way past that type of relationship the had done that and had grown they are at a point where they talk about their problems and don't over react ... they have just GROWN more than the SHAMY at this point .... it's SHELDON THAT NEEDED TO GROW .....

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13 hours ago, fixitmr said:

WHY THE BREAKUP ..... well Amy didn't want to breakup with Sheldon ... she wanted some time to think about their relationship ... Sheldon didn't give her the time she wanted he kept pushing her and pushing her to the point that she had, had enough and she answered his question " are we broken up " with a YES .... Then every body got in a tiff because they broke up .... so ... the story line as was conceived by the writers ... the breakup of the SHAMY and what followed ... Sheldon did need this he had to realize that he NEEDED Amy that he LOVED her, that she made him a better person that they completed each other, whether her stays this way is till to be seen and a leopard doesn't change his spots he may revert to his old way after time, when they become comfortable with each other. THEN again he may not ... I see them moving in together and forcing the LENNY out to 4B ... for season 10 ...

Then LENNY in 4A was to keep Sheldon safe and sane ... then LENNY are like his parents and he their little dog who is afraid of fireworks .... his words not mine ....

Lets see how this plays out over the course of the second half of the season .... OK just relax and let nature take its course ....  

 

OH I forgot the LENNY in season 5 they didn't break up because they were way past that type of relationship the had done that and had grown they are at a point where they talk about their problems and don't over react ... they have just GROWN more than the SHAMY at this point .... it's SHELDON THAT NEEDED TO GROW .....

You mean the time when she had avoided him for a day before dropping that bombshell, provided no details or much explanation to him before demanding "somw time alone", then didn't event want him to attend his best friend's wedding ceremony because she was there too? Never mind the fact that he has known both Leonard and Penny longer than her? Yes, completely his fault...

 
Only because the writers made them get back together in the end doesn't mean that the break up was needed... or written well.
 
And please not the whole "Molaro is a genius for making them break up because everybody talked about it" logic... only because people talk about something doesn't mean that it is good. Take season eight finale as the example LMAO.

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18 hours ago, Carlos said:

2 things about your last paragraph:

1) Whether you like the split story arc or not, it was necessary to change them enough that they'd be able to get to the point where they're up right now. I liked it all the way up to when Amy asked to be Sheldon's girlfriend again. That's where the writers lost me completely. However if you're a Shamy you should be happy that they're back together and have engaged in coitus, right?

2) You're correct in your assessment that the fact that the episode hasn't aired doesn't make the TR completely irrelevant when it comes to forming your opinion on the episode. However, your opinion is incomplete, and this not TOO relevant. Things play differently on screen that what we get in the TR's, not to mention that it's reasonable to assume that the bias of the person writing the TR are likely not the same as ours.

1) Like I've written, only because the writers have made them get back together in the end doesn't mean that the storyline was needed or written well. Did they ever break up before when there were problems in their relationship? Not even following Sheldon's season seven finale depature. As far as we knew, the break up could have lasted the whole season, they could have made Amy sleep with Dave, etc. I can't even re watch those episodes without that memories in mind. A little extreme example: shouldn't the fans of Prison Break have been sad over Sara dying only because there was a possiblity that the writers will make her turn out to be alive after all (which they did)?

 
2) It may not be too relevant once the episode airs, but before it airs, when the taping report is the main source of information about the episode, it can hold a lot of relevance, in my opinion.
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1 hour ago, rachelshamyfan said:

Wonder if this means Emily is in the next episode taping

 

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I love the pic of Dr Saltzberg on the wall! :) 

 

14 hours ago, 3ku11 said:

Look from my perspective, it doesn't matter how much joy I would get if something happens, that was broken up, or teared apart. If its based on the foundation of sand, then why does it matter. But that's just me. I think it was incredibly short sighted to have Amy dump Sheldon. Only for Sheldon to come to a realization after 5 years Amy made his life better. And while I enjoyed the execution when the episode aired. It still makes little to no sense, of why they broke up in the first place. To get to this desired point. I mean Lenny since S5 never broke up, they delt with their issues together. But I guess they have more depth and understanding in their relationship then Shamy IMO.

I prefer Pears to Apples.

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1 hour ago, Mislav said:

1) Like I've written, only because the writers have made them get back together in the end doesn't mean that the storyline was needed or written well. Did they ever break up before when there were problems in their relationship? Not even following Sheldon's season seven finale depature. As far as we knew, the break up could have lasted the whole season, they could have made Amy sleep with Dave, etc. I can't even re watch those episodes without that memories in mind. A little extreme example: shouldn't the fans of Prison Break have been sad over Sara dying only because there was a possiblity that the writers will make her turn out to be alive after all (which they did)?

 
2) It may not be too relevant once the episode airs, but before it airs, when the taping report is the main source of information about the episode, it can hold a lot of relevance, in my opinion.

OK, fair enough. Now I understand your position a little bit better. I don't share it, but thanks for clarifying. IMO, the split was not written well, and though necessary, it was ill timed because it would have fit much better (as you alluded to) at the beginning of S8 right after Sheldon had taken off and returned.

2 hours ago, Mislav said:

You mean the time when she had avoided him for a day before dropping that bombshell, provided no details or much explanation to him before demanding "somw time alone", then didn't event want him to attend his best friend's wedding ceremony because she was there too? Never mind the fact that he has known both Leonard and Penny longer than her? Yes, completely his fault...

Only because the writers made them get back together in the end doesn't mean that the break up was needed... or written well.

And please not the whole "Molaro is a genius for making them break up because everybody talked about it" logic... only because people talk about something doesn't mean that it is good. Take season eight finale as the example LMAO.

Listen, if you're going to mention something in a post, at least try to be accurate. Amy told Sheldon that being his girlfriend was very trying and that even though she loved him she wanted some time to think. This was all brought about by the fact that "all she could get from Sheldon after 5 years was a distracted make out session, and that when she asked him if any of his thoughts were about her he said no. So, not being a priority in your soul mate's life is something pretty important. Also she asked for some time to think and he completely ignored her , pestered her and insulted her to the point where she had to split from him. And yes, those two last things, 100 % Sheldon's fault. Btw Sheldon telling her that he was thinking about "The Flash" while making out with Amy in their 5th year anniversary, 100% also Sheldon's fault.

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6 minutes ago, stardustmelody said:

Curious what they are doing "on location"...... :laugh: at her "freakinfreezing" ---poor California girl has no idea what freezing is until she visits the North Slopes of Alaska!   :girlwink:

 

 

Kind of looks like Luke's diner from Gilmore Girls.  Aren't those sets near Stage 25?

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6 minutes ago, vonmar said:

Kind of looks like Luke's diner from Gilmore Girls.  Aren't those sets near Stage 25?

Yes, my friend who went on a tour there said that they saw all the Gilmore Girls stuff and yeah...it is close by...well I guess close is a relative term...the studio campus was rather large according to her...bussed around everywhere.   Not sure how close it is to Studio 25, but definitely on the same lot.

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Just now, Einstein Von Brainstorm said:

It says on location but isn't that the WB lot? :rofl: 

I think anytime they leave Stage 25 they consider themselves to be "on location".  Bill Prady once referred to TBBT as "an indoor cat".  :)

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2 hours ago, stardustmelody said:

Curious what they are doing "on location"...... :laugh: at her "freakinfreezing" ---poor California girl has no idea what freezing is until she visits the North Slopes of Alaska!   :girlwink:

Toronto and Los Angeles were the same temperature today. People here were out in t-shirts and shorts amazed at how warm it was! :rofl:

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15 hours ago, Carlos said:

OK, fair enough. Now I understand your position a little bit better. I don't share it, but thanks for clarifying. IMO, the split was not written well, and though necessary, it was ill timed because it would have fit much better (as you alluded to) at the beginning of S8 right after Sheldon had taken off and returned.

Listen, if you're going to mention something in a post, at least try to be accurate. Amy told Sheldon that being his girlfriend was very trying and that even though she loved him she wanted some time to think. This was all brought about by the fact that "all she could get from Sheldon after 5 years was a distracted make out session, and that when she asked him if any of his thoughts were about her he said no. So, not being a priority in your soul mate's life is something pretty important. Also she asked for some time to think and he completely ignored her , pestered her and insulted her to the point where she had to split from him. And yes, those two last things, 100 % Sheldon's fault. Btw Sheldon telling her that he was thinking about "The Flash" while making out with Amy in their 5th year anniversary, 100% also Sheldon's fault.

I never said that Sheldon was completely innocent-and he was just being honest after all! But I didn't like Amy's reaction before or after the break up and I don't think it fit into the show, or the couple, at all. Has dealing with any of their other problems ended up that way? Why would she ignore him for over a day before deciding to do something that drastic? Lastly, why pull out the break up cliche with Shamy five years into their relationship (three and a half romantic relationship wise), especially when they have already had (although cheap and OOC) Lenny wedding/drama plot in season eight finale, and Howardette trying to get Stuart to move out, and Raj reconsidering his relationship with Emily, in that episode? Why go for the Shamy angst again if you've already done that in "The Status Quo Combustion"? Why break the pattern? Season five finale was about Howard/Howardette, season six finale was about Leonard/Lenny, season seven finale was about Sheldon/Shamy, all of them dealing with the couple going through some big event and/or angst with other couples being mostly in background without big drama hanging over them. Shouldn't they have made Raj centric finale this year? And what about the spirit of the show/couple? Who is to say that they won't pull off Shamy angst in season nine finale or even break them up again? Or do so with some other couple?

 
 
Second, there is no justification for others not inviting Sheldon to the wedding ceremony and Amy supporting that and then being upset that Sheldon showed up anyway... no matter what you think about Sheldon and/or Sheldon/Leonard dynamic Leonard is a person Sheldon considers to be his closest friend, and Leonard and Penny wouldn't have gotten married that soon if there hadn't been for him, hence the ceremony happening around that time. Hasn't Howard always been the one talking about taking the guy's side during the break up? Hasn't he known Sheldon more than Amy and bonded with him a lot over the last year or two. Weren't that actions also an insult, to Sheldon, in a way?
 
 
You just don't do that sort of thing, especially not when you are not even broken up with your boyfriend yet. If the hurt that Amy felt over Sheldon's confession justifies her treatment of him, does it also justify that amount of selfishness? And if it doesn't, or not completely, does it justify Sheldon insulting her? And if his actions are justified, and she broke up with him over them, making him feel bad, how does that make her look?
 
 
Also, Amy was wrong in her assessment. She and Sheldon had been dating for a little over three years, not five. Throughout the season four, she had no interest in a physical intimacy or any kind of romance what so ever. She slowly started developing those desires in season five and even then she was far from a "usual" level of sex drive and didn't even mention wanting to participate in such things with him. 
 
Sorry, but if by "all" she meant physical intimacy, that was an immature (and unfair) statement on her part. Not only that the physical intimacy didn't become a real problem until sometime early in season six, making her five year complaint incorrect, but she did get it: from simple things like hugging and hand holding to an actual kissing, a sleep over at a fort blanket... 
 
If you are the kind of people who are willing to apply a lack of social commitment to her comment, that is also incorrect. He constantly participated in gift giving traditions for her sake despite disliking them (due to a bad childhood event involving the death of a family member, no less). Took care of her for weeks when she was sick despite being the kind of person who freaks out over somebody sneezing around him. He told her "I love you". Had a sleep over at her. Even before they were boyfriend and girlfriend, he snuggled with her in order to make her feel better and then called out Penny, Bernadette and their boyfriends for making Amy feel bad. Amy's complaint would have only made sense if he had been giving her absolutely no intimacy and showing no emotional investement in her for an actual period of five years, before suddenly starting to make out with her.
 
 
Also, on distraction part: a mind drifting off to something else doesn't instantly equal distraction (in a way that the main action becomes irrelevant or it affects on the performance badly). Amy didn't seem to have problems with Sheldon's performance and he was ready to continue but she cut him off. Sheldon's mind is the overactive kind, and she must have known about that. Again, immature, out of character and just lazy writing.
 
And yes, there were flaws in the relationship too that could have still caused her that frustration and many people say, in anger,things that they don't mean literally and/or arent't entirely correct. But then it comes back to her previous interactions with him and their way of resolving issues going from zero to eleven in that one episode over something that trivial. And others not inviting Sheldon to attend his best friend's wedding ceremony and Amy approving of it because she wanted some time alone from him. 
 
And yes, Sheldon saw it happen. WE KNOW THAT!  He witnessed Amy develop desires that he couldn't have fulfilled at the moment, but still "allowed" her to continue be his girlfriend. (That is actually the kind of argument that most of Shamy shippers taking Amy's side use). But that doesn't make any of them come off better or worse in comparison. Amy changed despite the terms she had agreed to in the beginning of their relationship and kept pestering Sheldon about the physical intimacy. Sheldon saw it happen and knew that he would be a lacking boyfriend if the relationship continued but staid with Amy anyway. It's a neutral situation at best.
 
I know that many won't have patience to read all this and some will probably just call me Sheldon apologist or say that they have no desire to continue this discussion. But I would prefer if you would at least try to refute some of my points. So far it just seems, to me, that the way most people see the break up, even the Shamy shippers, is a very one sided one, focusing almost solely on Amy's dissatisfaction/anger without even trying to see Sheldon's side of the story or judging the way Amy, a grown responsible adult, reacted over such emotions (which, in my opinion, was pretty selfish and immature). 
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21 hours ago, Mislav said:

You mean the time when she had avoided him for a day before dropping that bombshell, provided no details or much explanation to him before demanding "somw time alone", then didn't event want him to attend his best friend's wedding ceremony because she was there too? Never mind the fact that he has known both Leonard and Penny longer than her? Yes, completely his fault...

 
Only because the writers made them get back together in the end doesn't mean that the break up was needed... or written well.
 
And please not the whole "Molaro is a genius for making them break up because everybody talked about it" logic... only because people talk about something doesn't mean that it is good. Take season eight finale as the example LMAO.

Are we watching the same show ????

Amy got angry with Sheldon on their anniversary because he was not paying attention to her, she wanted some time to re-evaluate their situation. Sheldon in his I'm the greatest thinks 11 hours is enough and visits Amy she tells him she needs time, he thinks she's had enough time getting her angry again, its at this point that she breaks up with him. She is avoiding him because she needs TIME to think he doesn't give her this TIME she becomes frustrated and angry with him so there is the BREAK up .... I don't know why you can't see it .... watch the first three episodes of the season again carefully, and you can see that Sheldon is his selfish self thinking he is ALWAYS right, and every one else is WRONG ....

 

NOW about the wedding ... it was Howard and Berni that did not invite Sheldon because Amy was there and they felt that Amy would be uncomfortable being there with Sheldon SO ... Sheldon is out, it wasn't the LENNY that did the inviting and YES Sheldon has been it their life longer BUT it was Howardetts call not the LENNY ...  Like I said are we watching the same show ???? OHH and Molaro he just runs the show don't forget the WRITERS and Chuck, he's listed on these episodes so it could have been his idea ... it is his show by the way ...

and why don't you want to blame Sheldon for anything .... he is the root cause for all of Amy's problems ... she is deeply in love with him and he never realized it always taking her for granted and never giving her credit for her work or anything else. Amy only want what she sees her two friend having, a LOVING relationship, which she is not getting from Sheldon. If you think the Shamy was good as it was then ..... !!!!!!  I don't know ....

anyway have fun .... waiting for the taping report overnight ... taping Tuesday today ....

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