[Spoilers] Discussion Topic: Season 9

[luminous]

3 hours ago, JE7 said:

 while she makes the big bucks during the day.

BTW. What I find kinda strange is, how a pharmaceutical sales rep, who was a former waitress at the Cheesecake Factory, gets more money than a graduated physicist working for years at a prestigious world-famous university.
Here in Germany a pharmaceutical sales rep normally starts with an annual salary between 30.000 € and 40.000 € (32.700 $ - 43.700 $), while a graduated physicist should start with 50.000 € (54.600 $) per year.

[Kasey]

I can't fathom how Leonard has that many student loans.  Shouldn't he have gotten scholarships?  I know his IQ isn't as high as Sheldon's but it's surely genius level according to the Pilot episode...

To me, it's unfortunately just another way to bring Leonard down.  Poor guy.

[EvilStewie]

21 minutes ago, Kasey said:

This is exactly how I see Penny fulfilling her dream of acting.  One can still dream yet be a responsible adult like your son.  The problem was that in the episode, the writers didn't expound on what Penny really meant.  So we are left with the impression that Penny wants to go back to her early years and be young and free and have no responsibilities.  I don't think that was her point. 

To me, Penny was saying I'm overwhelmed, I don't like this being an adult, I want to go back to simpler times.  Heck, I've said that many times.  That doesn't mean that she or I are going to do it.  It's like blowing off steam.

 

I agree, But wasn't there an episode at the beginning of the season where she asks Sheldon's advice if she should go to an audition, and she was afraid Leonard would be mad if she went? I have a feeling this is going to be addressed this season. 

Edited January 16, 2016 by EvilStewie

[Chrismo]

15 minutes ago, luminous said:

BTW. What I find kinda strange is, how a pharmaceutical sales rep, who was a former waitress at the Cheesecake Factory, gets more money than a graduated physicist working for years at a prestigious world-famous university.
Here in Germany a pharmaceutical sales rep normally starts with an annual salary between 30.000 € and 40.000 € (32.700 $ - 43.700 $), while a graduated physicist should start with 50.000 € (54.600 $) per year.

 

10 minutes ago, Kasey said:

I can't fathom how Leonard has that many student loans.  Shouldn't he have gotten scholarships?  I know his IQ isn't as high as Sheldon's but it's surely genius level according to the Pilot episode...

To me, it's unfortunately just another way to bring Leonard down.  Poor guy.

I hope both of you aren't looking for logic in penny's income and Leonard's student loans. There is none.

[Kasey]

1 hour ago, Chrismo said:

 

I hope both of you aren't looking for logic in penny's income and Leonard's student loans. There is none.

Logic in the continuity or reality of a TV show?  Hardly...

1 hour ago, EvilStewie said:

I agree, But wasn't there an episode at the beginning of the season where she asks Sheldon's advice if she should go to an audition, and she was afraid Leonard would be mad if she went? I have a feeling this is going to be addressed this season. 

True, this might come up if they ever decide to address Lenny again...

[mirs1]

I've always found ridiculous the fact that Leonard has student loans in the first place. Beside being a genius, so most likely he could have had scholarships, his parents are well known scientists, they write books, work at universities, I can't imagine they don't have enough money to pay their children's university studies...

Edited January 16, 2016 by mirs1

[No Regrets]

1 minute ago, mirs1 said:

I always found ridiculous the fact that Leonard has student loans in the first place. Beside being a genius, so most likely he could have had scholarships, his parents are well known scientists, they write books, work at universities, I can't imagine they don't have enough money to pay their children's university studies...

Maybe good ol' Bev felt her son wasn't worthy.

[EvilStewie]

26 minutes ago, Kasey said:

 

True, this might come up if they ever decide to address Lenny again...

I truly believe Shamy is taking a backseat for awhile, and the focus will be on Lenny, I don't want to spoil you.. but there is a quote from upcoming episode that hints to us Shamy fans to chill 

Edited January 16, 2016 by EvilStewie

[Kasey]

11 minutes ago, No Regrets said:

Maybe good ol' Bev felt her son wasn't worthy.

Needy baby, greedy baby that he is...

[luminous]

2 hours ago, Chrismo said:

I hope both of you aren't looking for logic in penny's income and Leonard's student loans. There is none.

Yes, I know there's no logic. I'm not even going to try to look after that.   The Lenny income thing just came into my mind after reading the words "big bucks".

But just out of curiosity I googled the real world income situation for pharmaceutical sales reps and phycicists in the US. First, in the US you obviously earn more money for the same job than in Germany. Second, a pharmaceutical sales rep in the first year and with no experience can never get a higher salary than a physicist (esp. with a doctorate) with years of experience at a top-ranking university.

Average pay for a Sales Representative, Pharmaceuticals (Entry-Level): $51,099 per year.

Average pay for a Physicist (Entry-Level): $74,838 per year.

Average pay for a Physicist (Mid-Career): $86,278 per year.

Leonard should absolutely claim a pay raise.

[Stephen Hawking]

On 1/12/2016 at 1:22 AM, hokie3457 said:

I have decided that I want Leonard and Penny to move. Move away from 2311 North Los Robles...not be in 4A or 4B....away, away...

Maybe they could take Amy's apartment, and Amy can move in with Sheldon.

Or, would it be too weird, for them to sleep in the bedroom, where Sheldon and Amy first bumped ugglies?

[veejay]

10 minutes ago, Stephen Hawking said:

Maybe they could take Amy's apartment, and Amy can move in with Sheldon.

Or, would it be too weird, for them to sleep in the bedroom, where Sheldon and Amy first bumped ugglies?

Or, would it be too weird, Sheldon’s moving into Amy’s apartment.

[Stephen Hawking]

2 minutes ago, veejay said:

Or, would it be too weird, Sheldon’s moving into Amy’s apartment.

That would involve Sheldon surrendering his spot.  

[SRAM]

45 minutes ago, veejay said:

Or, would it be too weird, Sheldon’s moving into Amy’s apartment.

The probably of that happening would be about .000000009 to 1.

They need to keep 4A the center everything revolves around and since Sheldon is now the person the writers have everyone revolving around, he has t

Edited January 16, 2016 by SRAM

[ATOB]

59 minutes ago, luminous said:

Yes, I know there's no logic. I'm not even going to try to look after that.   The Lenny income thing just came into my mind after reading the words "big bucks".

But just out of curiosity I googled the real world income situation for pharmaceutical sales reps and phycicists in the US. First, in the US you obviously earn more money for the same job than in Germany. Second, a pharmaceutical sales rep in the first year and with no experience can never get a higher salary than a physicist (esp. with a doctorate) with years of experience at a top-ranking university.

Average pay for a Sales Representative, Pharmaceuticals (Entry-Level): $51,099 per year.

Average pay for a Physicist (Entry-Level): $74,838 per year.

Average pay for a Physicist (Mid-Career): $86,278 per year.

Leonard should absolutely claim a pay raise.

These type of sales roles are normally commission based (with a low basic) so, if Penny's the " third highest selling" rep, then she's also the third highest earning rep in the company.

Actors are usually brilliant at sales roles, for obvious reasons. If you look in the job vacancy ads in publications such as The Stage then that's mostly what you'll see advertised. These roles, being flexible, are also great for actors who need time off to audition and who can't be tied down in case they land a role.

Practically, Penny could keep her job and still pursue her dream if she chose to.

[Einstein Von Brainstorm]

2 hours ago, luminous said:

Yes, I know there's no logic. I'm not even going to try to look after that.   The Lenny income thing just came into my mind after reading the words "big bucks".

But just out of curiosity I googled the real world income situation for pharmaceutical sales reps and phycicists in the US. First, in the US you obviously earn more money for the same job than in Germany. Second, a pharmaceutical sales rep in the first year and with no experience can never get a higher salary than a physicist (esp. with a doctorate) with years of experience at a top-ranking university.

Average pay for a Sales Representative, Pharmaceuticals (Entry-Level): $51,099 per year.

Average pay for a Physicist (Entry-Level): $74,838 per year.

Average pay for a Physicist (Mid-Career): $86,278 per year.

Leonard should absolutely claim a pay raise.

Don't sales reps also get sales related bonuses though? and Penny's boss said something about her being one of the top sales people so maybe she makes up the bulk of her 'more than him' in after salary bonuses?

[joyceraye]

16 minutes ago, Einstein Von Brainstorm said:

Don't sales reps also get sales related bonuses though? and Penny's boss said something about her being one of the top sales people so maybe she makes up the bulk of her 'more than him' in after salary bonuses?

That's the way I heard it, too. Penny was making the money and needed a 'guy' to help her manage it because of her success at selling. She'd be getting a good commission on top of her salary. Also, the positions the gang hold at Caltech are untenured, which was why they were competing for the vacant professorship when somebody died. Whoever gets tenure will be able to afford a house, which was why Amy was encouraging Sheldon to go for it.

[veejay]

1 hour ago, SRAM said:

The probably of that happening would be about .000000009 to 1.

They need to keep 4A the center everything revolves around and since Sheldon is now the person the writers have everyone revolving around, he has t

Buzz-killer. 

[luminous]

Good for Penny, that the guy at her job interview in 8x01 also was scared of Bernadette. Otherwise she never would have got the job at all, because she miserably failed at the actual interview.

[JE7]

5 minutes ago, luminous said:

Good for Penny, that the guy at her job interview in 8x01 also was scared of Bernadette. Otherwise she never would have got the job at all, because she miserably failed at the actual interview.

That was her lack of self confidence/self-esteem, something this job should have helped her with

[veejay]

4 minutes ago, luminous said:

Good for Penny, that the guy at her job interview in 8x01 also was scared of Bernadette. Otherwise she never would have got the job at all, because she miserably failed at the actual interview.

Come on. This pretty face cannot fail.

[Nogravitasatall]

6 hours ago, Kasey said:

I can't fathom how Leonard has that many student loans.  Shouldn't he have gotten scholarships?  I know his IQ isn't as high as Sheldon's but it's surely genius level according to the Pilot episode...

To me, it's unfortunately just another way to bring Leonard down.  Poor guy.

Hi Kasey,

Sadly, I think Leonard is the underdog in this fight. They encumbered him with some self-awareness of his condition that was grounded in reality, that no-one else in the show suffers. They also gave him an apparently unreasonable aspiration as the hook. Then, when they granted him his wish - winning the  metaphorical princess - they continued to point out the reality of his situation - princesses are hard work to keep up with, despite their best intentions, and life doesn't have fairytale endings. I expect him to be the punching bag/fall guy all the way to curtain.

The other guy gets the fairytale magic dusted all over him - he doesn't even know what he wants or what's good for him - but it falls out of the sky for him regardless. Never a bump or a bruise. Leonard however battles on, bloodied and battered sometimes. And good on him.

So, to pour lit petrol onto burning fireworks, if Sheldon has suffered recent injury, I can pull out Leonard's history for comparison and then mis-quote a mythological compatriot. "That's not an injury - these are injuries".

cheers  

Edited January 16, 2016 by Nogravitasatall

[Kasey]

17 minutes ago, Nogravitasatall said:

Hi Kasey,

Sadly, I think Leonard is the underdog in this fight. They encumbered him with some self-awareness of his condition that was grounded in reality, that no-one else in the show suffers. They also gave him an apparently unreasonable aspiration as the hook. Then, when they granted him his wish - winning the  metaphorical princess - they continued to point out the reality of his situation - princesses are hard work to keep up with, despite their best intentions, and life doesn't have fairytale endings. I expect him to be the punching bag/fall guy all the way to curtain.

The other guy gets the fairytale magic dusted all over him - he doesn't even know what he wants or what's good for him - but it falls out of the sky for him regardless. Never a bump or a bruise. Leonard however battles on, bloodied and battered sometimes. And good on him.

So, to pour lit petrol onto burning fireworks, if Sheldon has suffered recent injury, I can pull out Leonard's history for comparison and then mis-quote a mythological compatriot. "That's not an injury - these are injuries".

cheers  

Preach it...

 

[hazelra7]

14 hours ago, jenafan said:

I don't think she will go after Leonard.

Actually, what made me nervous was that Sheldon and Emily were getting pretty chummy.   I guess he's gotten over his red hair hang up as well.   He knows where she lives.  They were sitting pretty comfortably together on the bus.  Has Sheldon ever made such a tremendous effort to seek someone out to apologize?   I only recall Sheldon apologizing to Amy once, and even then she had to drag it out of him.

I know Shamy are the real deal, but the writers love to put us on the edge of our seats a lot.    Yes, Amy gets to sleep with Sheldon now, but it would be nice if she could be the recipient of some of the attention that he gives Penny and now to Emily, apparently.   Penny seems to always get to know Sheldon's intentions and secrets before Amy does, and now Emily gets an apology for an offense.    I'm still waiting for Sheldon to apologize to Amy for all his insults and neglect toward her.   Even with his sickness, everyone gets an apology for his behavior except Amy.

I guess it was all in his kisses and his genitals.

I have to say, Sheldon is the one who went over to apologize to Amy for being an Ass when he was in her lab in Season 5. I still remember his cute little... 'sorry..." when he was standing in her lab. He says sorry to her more than the others and shows empathy toward her that he never does for the group.  Yes, he should apologize for being an ass for years, but I think that was the break up was really about.  

Now, I really think we will see crazy Emily back soon.  I think her jealousy over Penny, and her temper with Sheldon are foreshadowing for things to come.  I really expect Fatal Attraction Emily soon. Boiled rabbits or worse!  Cinnamon!  Oh my!  the writers love a crazy one and  Raj is hysterical when he is scared.  

Also I have to weigh in on the stripper pole scene.  I really watched it thinking Sheldon was pleased he patched things up with Amy and and latched onto the scene thinking he was glad Emily patched things up with Raj.  The stripper thing was mentioned when they got on the bus, so it sounds like Raj can't resist a pole.  Few can... cough cough...

[Kasey]

2 hours ago, Stephen Hawking said:

That would involve Sheldon surrendering his spot.  

I wonder how long it took him to find his spot on Amy's bed.  You know where there's a cross breeze and he could see all angles without hurting his neck...