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25 minutes ago, Carlos said:

And in the process half assed the story. Btw nobody's saying a year of wedding planning but at least some mention during season 8 would have been nice and reasonable. I mean, after getting engaged, people sort of start planning their wedding, right? I mean otherwise why even get engaged at all? It's not as if much changed for Lenny after they get engaged (except for the level of commitment).  People don't get engaged just to keep the status quo, they do it as a step towards something.

Yes planning would have been typical. Thing is TBBT characters tend to be atypical and defy expectations and they include a lot of role reversal too. Why expect typical?

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22 hours ago, djsurrey said:

I can't even imagine waiting nine yeas for that. I never expected it would happen after Wil broke them up.

So you are telling us you never thought Lenny where going to end up together and married? What show have you been watching? You knew that from the first episode.

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Just now, djsurrey said:

Yes planning would have been typical. Thing is TBBT characters tend to be atypical and defy expectations and they include a lot of role reversal too. Why expect typical?

Trying to always be atypical is no excuse for bad story telling. And, btw, TBBT doesn't always go atypical. I mean Shamy now has coitus just like everybody else, right? In my view that doesn't make it bad. So being atypical just for the sake of it doesn't make much sense to me.

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2 hours ago, Carlos said:

So you are telling us you never thought Lenny where going to end up together and married? What show have you been watching? You knew that from the first episode.

From 3.19 on I stopped caring or thinking about that for the most part. Sure I'd cheer them on here or there but that is not why I watch this show and no, I did not know from the first episode. 

I actually get a kick out of the guys being physicists. 

2 hours ago, Carlos said:

Trying to always be atypical is no excuse for bad story telling. And, btw, TBBT doesn't always go atypical. I mean Shamy now has coitus just like everybody else, right? In my view that doesn't make it bad. So being atypical just for the sake of it doesn't make much sense to me.

Who says they have it like everyone else. As far as I know it is not happening again before Amy's next birthday.

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As much as some don't care about my opinion on such matters, I do agree that Lenny should have a real wedding and a wedding ceremony, possibly in 200th episode. (I know, I know, I know, it's questionable will it happen, but that is just my opinion). And I think that "the next birthday" was just a throwaway line.

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39 minutes ago, Mislav said:

And I think that "the next birthday" was just a throwaway line.

Could be. But I'm not sure anybody is really going to care about the second time.

5 hours ago, djsurrey said:

 

I actually get a kick out of the guys being physicists. 

 

I think most people at this point don't seem to care much about that. The shipping threads on here and the lack of discussion by reviewers of the show  kind of prove that.

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5 hours ago, Mislav said:

As much as some don't care about my opinion on such matters, I do agree that Lenny should have a real wedding and a wedding ceremony, possibly in 200th episode. (I know, I know, I know, it's questionable will it happen, but that is just my opinion). And I think that "the next birthday" was just a throwaway line.

I agree, a wedding ceremony for Lenny in the 200th would be great.  Maybe they find out something happened in LV, and the marriage is invalid.   Perhaps Penny gets an epiphany that maybe she's having all these reservations because their marriage got off to a bad start.   Anything could happen.  They get married again and finally move out of the 4A.   Doubt it will happen, though.

On the next birthday line.   All Sheldon did was confirm that he's looking forward to doing it again on her next birthday.   Amy's "That works for me" confirms that she doesn't mind getting a repeat of his gift.    None of this explicitly means they won't want to do it again before then.    At least that is how I took it.

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I think it is already too late to get a bigger/better wedding for Lenny in episode 200.  They only have two more episodes to tape till they tape 200 and nothing has been done yet.  Remember it took an episode (8.24) for them even to decide to get married and get what we got in episode 9.01.  I think that ship has already sailed.

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4 hours ago, Chrismo said:

I think most people at this point don't seem to care much about that. The shipping threads on here and the lack of discussion by reviewers of the show  kind of prove that.

I don't mind being with a minority. Most people out there are not an Engineer working in a physics department.

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On 1/16/2016 at 1:18 PM, luminous said:

Yes, I know there's no logic. I'm not even going to try to look after that. :icon_cheesygrin:  The Lenny income thing just came into my mind after reading the words "big bucks".

But just out of curiosity I googled the real world income situation for pharmaceutical sales reps and phycicists in the US. First, in the US you obviously earn more money for the same job than in Germany. Second, a pharmaceutical sales rep in the first year and with no experience can never get a higher salary than a physicist (esp. with a doctorate) with years of experience at a top-ranking university.

Average pay for a Sales Representative, Pharmaceuticals (Entry-Level): $51,099 per year.

Average pay for a Physicist (Entry-Level): $74,838 per year.

Average pay for a Physicist (Mid-Career): $86,278 per year.

Leonard should absolutely claim a pay raise.:rtfm:

Pharmaceutical Sales Reps also get commissions/perks.

If she (because of her looks) is the highest selling (new) rep, she is being rewarded well.

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4 hours ago, Chrismo said:

Could be. But I'm not sure anybody is really going to care about the second time.

I think most people at this point don't seem to care much about that. The shipping threads on here and the lack of discussion by reviewers of the show  kind of prove that.

Actually, I think most of us just want the internal drama and stagnation to stop so the guys can get back to being physicists and engineers.  Some of the funniest episodes included university settings and involved outside characters like President Siebert, Kripke, Alex, and Mrs. Davis, and one or two main plots, rather than four underdeveloped subplots.  

In earlier seasons, it was always interesting to see the characters find alternative methods to solve problems, or come up with unique gifts, or kid each other in a playful, but friendly way.  Any character development, drama, or tension was resolved in healthy and nontraditional ways that didn't dominate an episode or season.  It was a refreshing approach unlike any other series allowing one to rewatch earlier seasons over and over again and still laugh.  

Howard and Bernadette's wedding was a mixture of simple, unique, and sweet without dominating any other plotlines or teasing viewers.  Yet, now, I have no desire to meet Mee-Maw knowing there will be unpleasant tension because all it does is taint any future proposal.  Sheldon making Amy his emergency contact meant more to me than them having sex because it demonstrated a level of mutual trust and respect, while still being quirky.  Leonard and Penny not living together after marriage is way beyond overdue, and if they were ultimately going to get married anyway, then why tarnish it with the drunken kiss on the ship? I don't even know what to make of Emily and Raj at this point, even if they have been dating offscreen for a while because we know so little about their relationship.  The stagnant and unresolved drama might spike ratings to find out what happens next, but I will never have the desire to relive the lingering angst, even if everything is cotton candy when the agony finally ends.

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1 hour ago, jenafan said:

 

On the next birthday line.   All Sheldon did was confirm that he's looking forward to doing it again on her next birthday.   Amy's "That works for me" confirms that she doesn't mind getting a repeat of his gift.    None of this explicitly means they won't want to do it again before then.    At least that is how I took it.

*Cues porn music* 

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1 hour ago, SRAM said:

I think it is already too late to get a bigger/better wedding for Lenny in episode 200.  They only have two more episodes to tape till they tape 200 and nothing has been done yet.  Remember it took an episode (8.24) for them even to decide to get married and get what we got in episode 9.01.  I think that ship has already sailed.

Agreed. Let's take their wedding virginity again, and see how exciting that is. Oh, wait. Zack. *smacks forehead* Of course it would work. No one remembers anything, so it'll be fine. Third time's the charm. /s.

Leonard won't catch a clean break until wrap. And even then there's likely to be a pratfall on the way out.

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Because it is funny to watch, really. *sob* lol.
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2 hours ago, djsurrey said:

I don't mind being with a minority. Most people out there are not an Engineer working in a physics department.

Well I do have to say that I know more about physics then I did before I started watching the show.  Go me!

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21 hours ago, Carlos said:

I numbered the paragraphs in your post to be able to be able to address them individually.

1-2) I'm not saying they half - assed it, simply that I didn't like it, and expected something else based on previous evidence.

1-2) I'm sorry is that BS I smell?  I think it is, from your response to djsurrey above:  

21 hours ago, Carlos said:

And in the process half assed the story. 

 

21 hours ago, Carlos said:

 Btw nobody's saying a year of wedding planning but at least some mention during season 8 would have been nice and reasonable. I mean, after getting engaged, people sort of start planning their wedding, right? I mean otherwise why even get engaged at all? It's not as if much changed for Lenny after they get engaged (except for the level of commitment).  People don't get engaged just to keep the status quo, they do it as a step towards something.

That was an underlying point behind their story, that was done INTENTIONALLY to show that they both had cold feet.  You might not like that they didn't do traditional wedding planning, but that doesn't mean there wasn't a reason for it.

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@meka, you might be right. Fundamentally the two of them don't think it will work so they didn't move forwardbut they do want it to work so they don't move backwards. That's  part of their joint journey - that they will probably be on to the grave. 

That's also a reason for not moving out of the building, but not a good enough reason, for me, to justify them sitting by Shrldon's bedside and holding his hand while he has night terrors - unless he has a genuine disability, which he cannot.

Penny looked past Leonard's stupid peccadillo because of that want, I believe. And with regard to the constant put-downs of Leonard and their relationship, her words are at odds with her actions. No wonder they have trouble.

 

(TPTB strain my credulity so much these later seasons as they stretch for the end)

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16 hours ago, djsurrey said:

From 3.19 on I stopped caring or thinking about that for the most part. Sure I'd cheer them on here or there but that is not why I watch this show and no, I did not know from the first episode. 

I actually get a kick out of the guys being physicists. 

Who says they have it like everyone else. As far as I know it is not happening again before Amy's next birthday.

It's perfectly fine. You like the show for whatever reason. It's fine even if you don't like Lenny so much, but for me it was obvious that they were going to end up together from the first episode. It was the show's original premise.

As far as Shamy, they are having sex, right? That is the same as every other couple in the show, correct? The frequency is a technicality. Before they did it,  the lack of coitus was a differentiating factor than no longer exists.

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2 hours ago, Nogravitasatall said:

@meka, you might be right. Fundamentally the two of them don't think it will work so they didn't move forwardbut they do want it to work so they don't move backwards. That's  part of their joint journey - that they will probably be on to the grave. 

That's also a reason for not moving out of the building, but not a good enough reason, for me, to justify them sitting by Shrldon's bedside and holding his hand while he has night terrors - unless he has a genuine disability, which he cannot.

Penny looked past Leonard's stupid peccadillo because of that want, I believe. And with regard to the constant put-downs of Leonard and their relationship, her words are at odds with her actions. No wonder they have trouble.

 

(TPTB strain my credulity so much these later seasons as they stretch for the end)

Your last sentence  leads me to wonder how they are going to sustain any credibility over 2 or even 3 more seasons. I believe they have lost all direction and are floundering (mixed metaphor, sorry). What are they going to write about over the next 60 or so eoisodes? .  

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1 hour ago, ajond said:

Your last sentence  leads me to wonder how they are going to sustain any credibility over 2 or even 3 more seasons. I believe they have lost all direction and are floundering (mixed metaphor, sorry). What are they going to write about over the next 60 or so eoisodes? .  

the evolution of homo novus into homo domesticus. In a compacted timeframe of course, because evolution takes millions of years and they don't have all that time. Sort of a metamorphosis instead, perhaps. Sheldron as butterfly?

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1 hour ago, ajond said:

Your last sentence  leads me to wonder how they are going to sustain any credibility over 2 or even 3 more seasons. I believe they have lost all direction and are floundering (mixed metaphor, sorry). What are they going to write about over the next 60 or so eoisodes? .  

:umnik: Well there are a few things we can count on...

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  • "Star Wars" anthology film "Rogue One": December 16, 2016
  • "Star Wars: Episode VIII": May 26, 2017
  • The second "Star Wars" anthology film about a young Han Solo: May 25, 2018
  • "Star Wars: Episode IX": May 2019

from http://www.techinsider.io/new-star-wars-movie-release-dates-2015-8 

:drinks:

...and then there are scientific discoveries we can't really anticipate but some will probably pop up. :yes:

We can expect all sorts of tech innovations. :anim_drool:

TBBT provide a nice and humorous background for all that and the writers will likely keep surprising us. I say keep it coming. :boast:

Oh yah. There is also guardians of the galaxy 2 release date in May 2017. :icon_cheesygrin:

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10 hours ago, Touche said:

-Actually, I think most of us just want the internal drama and stagnation to stop so the guys can get back to being physicists and engineers.  

-In earlier seasons, it was always interesting to see the characters find alternative methods to solve problems, or come up with unique gifts, or kid each other in a playful, but friendly way.  

-Any character development, drama, or tension was resolved in healthy and nontraditional ways that didn't dominate an episode or season.  

-Howard and Bernadette's wedding was a mixture of simple, unique, and sweet without dominating any other plotlines or teasing viewers.

- Yet, now, I have no desire to meet Mee-Maw knowing there will be unpleasant tension because all it does is taint any future proposal.  

-Sheldon making Amy his emergency contact meant more to me than them having sex because it demonstrated a level of mutual trust and respect, while still being quirky. 

-The stagnant and unresolved drama might spike ratings to find out what happens next, but I will never have the desire to relive the lingering angst, even if everything is cotton candy when the agony finally ends.

-The stagnation and internal drama has been a part of the show since season 1.  Penny and Leonard didn't move forward right away in season 2 after their first date, it took an entire season for them to move forward after their first date.

-Just like when Sheldon kept insulting Penny's intelligence?  Just like when Penny said Howard would grow old and die alone? Like when Raj's friends wouldn't go to the People's magazine party because of him being an ass?  And resolved in healthy ways?  I remember Howard getting punched by Penny as part of a resolution to one of those episodes.

-After Lenny rekindled in the Beta Test Initiation they didn't have another plot focused on them for another 8 episodes.  Howard's wedding/astronaut stories was a part of that reason.

-How do you know Mee-Maw won't come around to accepting that maybe Amy had a good reason for breaking up with Sheldon at the time?  Why does 1 episode's drama mean a proposal episode is tainted?  Lenny had 4 aborted proposals, but I never saw that as tainting the real one.

-In that same episode Sheldon couldn't be bothered to actually put forth an effort to go out and look for gifts for Amy on his own, he sent out his assistant to do it.  You call THAT respect?

-Since you seem to think that future episodes will have drama that you won't want to relive through, why are you continuing to watch?

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6 hours ago, Carlos said:

It's perfectly fine. You like the show for whatever reason. It's fine even if you don't like Lenny so much, but for me it was obvious that they were going to end up together from the first episode. It was the show's original premise.

As far as Shamy, they are having sex, right? That is the same as every other couple in the show, correct? The frequency is a technicality. Before they did it,  the lack of coitus was a differentiating factor than no longer exists.

I don't fixate on who is having sex. Shamy is still very unique in my point of view.  Still I don't see myself as a shipper.

Also I think Lenny is still living with Sheldon because the primary relationship in this series has always been the one between Sheldon and Leonard. It seems like this will be true till the end.

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