bigbangsheldon Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 inb4 we have a score card of lenny weddings to go with the scorecard of lenny engagements Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantagrae Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 I'm not sure I understand why people are saying all this "What if they do this?" or "What if they do that?" thinking that L/P or S/A will be broken up forever, or that the show will go back to square one.I think there is, perhaps, some resonance to the first season in having Sheldon "hating" on women (an understandable reaction to his first break-up, IMO) and Leonard wondering how he can impress the girl across the hall (though he's now married to her.)I also don't think we need to see a big wedding episode, but since their wedding happened more or less off-screen and no one at home got to see it, etc., I can see a sort of do-over. Reminds me a little of "I was a male war bride", where Cary Grant and his leading lady (can't remember her name just now) ended up having like 3 weddings under different jurisdictions.I can see them want to have a do-over with their friends present and all that once they've gotten past this "bump"I didn't think they'd want to go through with the wedding under the cloud of the kiss controversy, and without their friends. IMO, it would have been better (as individuals) if they had turned around and had a good talk, maybe talked with their friends or family, cleared the air, and started over. But since they did go through with it, like many impulsive moves, it didn't turn out the way they wanted it to. They still had this thing hanging over their heads that they hadn't fully worked out, and now they're going to have to work it out.As for Sheldon and Amy, it seems to me that their break-up happened in the heat of the moment--Sheldon's pestering her about whether or not she's had enough time, she gets fed up and snaps.I don't think it's a matter of one or the other no longer loving the other, but simply a matter of sorting out some pretty complex feelings. How many of us have had that "I love you, but right now I can't stand you!" moment? Maybe it lasts longer than a moment. And for Sheldon, it might be something a bit more subtle and complex than he's prepared for.And maybe it's more complex that Amy's prepared for, as well. This is her first relationship, too, and her confused feelings are perhaps part of that. Whatever it is that she's got to sort through, it's new for her, just like having a good circle of friends is new to her.I don't think that the outcome of this one episode is any kind of harbinger of the season to come. It's a chapter in the story that started in the finale. They may not solve it in two episodes (and how many people would dislike it if they did? Sweep it under the rug, everbody just gets over it with a smile and a joke?), but I don't think that means the writers are "bankrupt" as some have suggested.I think it's just that as these characters have matured and become more involved in more adult steps in their relationships, they've got more complex emotions to deal with. How do you deal with the girl you love dumping you? Some might get drunk, some might hate on women in general... How do you deal with an unfaithful boyfriend/fiance/husband? How long will it take for you to get over something like that? How do you weigh these different aspects of someone's personality?I would hope that in the episodes to come we get some kind of discussion or working out of these very questions.Amy has to decide what it is she needs for Sheldon to be or do, and then how to communicate it to him in a way he will understand and respond to.Sheldon has to get past the hurt and anger and be open to whatever it is that Amy has to say to him, and he also needs to tell her what he wants or needs from her. Maybe they need to rewrite the RelAg with some new parameters and fewer loopholes or whatever. (And I hope they keep the RelAg in some form.)Leonard needs to somehow assure Penny of his loyalty and Penny needs to be able to trust him. I don't know how much of that will be accomplished with Boat Girl coming on the scene, but hopefully having her in the picture will give Leonard a chance to push her away and somehow prove himself to Penny or whatever. Or maybe Penny will just kick her A-S-S.Anger is a stronger emotion that hurt, so it's common for people to resort to being angry to avoid the vulnerability of admitting how hurt they are. Hopefully, some of that anger will subside and they can calm down and be more open and vulnerable toward each other.Love is opening yourself to the other person, trusting that they will not take advantage of your vulnerability.In the end, I think Love will win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRAM Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 If the boat girl confirms that there has been nothing between them since that mistake, Penny should be okay to forgive him, because the temptation was always there, but he chose Penny. If something else did happen since or, heaven forbid, Leonard had sex with her, then Leonard's character is destroyed on the show and he comes out a bigger sleaze than Howard ever was. So my prediction is that the girl is a way to vindicate Leonard and help Penny get over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nibbler747 Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 If the boat girl confirms that there has been nothing between them since that mistake, Penny should be okay to forgive him, because the temptation was always there, but he chose Penny. If something else did happen since or, heaven forbid, Leonard had sex with her, then Leonard's character is destroyed on the show and he comes out a bigger sleaze than Howard ever was. So my prediction is that the girl is a way to vindicate Leonard and help Penny get over it.I don't think Leonard would have had sex with her, or I think he would have been acting way more guilty about the whole thing. I do think, that they maintain a bit of a flirty relationship, which Leonard seems to enjoy, as he did that with Alex also. He likes women flirting with him...I think that's his weakness. I don't think he'd cheat, but he likes the attention.The question could become, what would Penny think if she see's this flirty friendship in person? I wonder if they will go there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rachelshamyfan Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Maybe Leonard was too drunk to remember if they really did kissing, maybe it was just a peck on the cheek and his memory of it is distorted because of the drinking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRAM Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 I bet Penny just walks up to her and asks what she has been doing with her husband. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogravitasatall Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 I still have trouble with the idea of Leonard cheating with intent. He doesn't really want to be that guy (I don't really want him to be that guy). I think with Alice he was surprised he got so far, and then he bailed out because "that guy" was not him. He tried it on and it didn't fit. I'm open to the idea of the change of context messing with his compass while on the boat, but I still think he was trying something on and it didn't fit him. If he was a snake like Howard actually wanted to be at one time, then I'd say sure, but he hadn't been like that. I think this will turn out like a car crash. An accident created by circumstance, but not with intent. And Leonard is now doing the time for the crime. He took his eyes off the road. Everyone suffers as a result. But nobody died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stardustmelody Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 (edited) I don't think they would have Lenny divorce, it would be just like a third breakup and they would loose the Lenny magic in the show plus piss off all the Lenny fans. I think the only way the marriage is dissolved, is a week after, they get a letter for Penny Johnson, from the state of Nevada, telling her she is still married to Zack and her marriage to Leonard is invalid and will not be filed.Agree...I think that they won't make an annulment or divorce driven from Penny or Leonard. I think if there is one, it will be because of logistics related to Zach, if at all. We already heard in the write-up Michy did that Penny says she is very much with Leonard even after all the obstacles were laid out on the table. So no, I don't think they will go there. Penny feels married and committed to Leonard and we know Leonard does with Penny even though he has been painted in a bad way so far because of Mandy. But I think that part may get resolved in this next episode since she is on that episode. Edited August 13, 2015 by stardustmelody Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earnie Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Maybe Penny will get in to a cat fight with the boat girl like she did in season 2 with the new neighbor that move upstairs and all the guys started paying attention to her I forget her name Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonstar17 Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Sent from my SM-N910F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogravitasatall Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Sent from my SM-N910F using Tapatalk... Some stranger on a boat falling on your penis is pretty much the "worse". Lol. Still, I can't see Leonard being that guy. He just isn't that, um "lucky". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRAM Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Is that like in season 3 when Leonard did Dr Slutbunny, and Penny didn't want to ride with him because she told him she didn't want him to slip on a banana and get her pregnant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonstar17 Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 ... Some stranger on a boat falling on your penis is pretty much the "worse". Lol. Still, I can't see Leonard being that guy. He just isn't that, um "lucky". Well there has been stories where people end up in ER with a carrot stuck up their ass and claim they fell on it. But who am I to question TPTB version. Sent from my SM-N910F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmp Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 (edited) I'm not sure I understand why people are saying all this "What if they do this?" or "What if they do that?" thinking that L/P or S/A will be broken up forever, or that the show will go back to square one....In the end, I think Love will win.Oh, phanta, I always agree with about 99% of what you say. (The other 1% is about JP's bloomers, LOL.) You are the voice of reason, and so eloquently say the things I don't have the patience to put into words. Edited August 13, 2015 by tmp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tensor Posted August 13, 2015 Author Share Posted August 13, 2015 In a weird coincidence, our local station is running the HIMYM episode with Melissa Tang( Leonard's North Sea kiss) in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etienne Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 I don't know why some people bag on Steve for some of the plots. I subconsciously flinch when I see Chuck listed as writer. He has given us some wonderful stories, but looking at Mom and TAHM; happy, fulfilling relationships don't appear to be in his wheelhouse. I sometime think he wants to steer the show back into the comedy noir that the original pilot was.To quote Bernadette from The Closure Alternative --"... It was like a whole other universe. If I wanted to, I could wipe it out with my thumb like a god."Maybe that applies to show creators too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djsurrey Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 I don't know why some people bag on Steve for some of the plots. I subconsciously flinch when I see Chuck listed as writer. He has given us some wonderful stories, but looking at Mom and TAHM; happy, fulfilling relationships don't appear to be in his wheelhouse. I sometime think he wants to steer the show back into the comedy noir that the original pilot was.To quote Bernadette from The Closure Alternative --"... It was like a whole other universe. If I wanted to, I could wipe it out with my thumb like a god."Maybe that applies to show creators too.My understanding is the writers are working as a group. I don't think it makes sense to single one out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 You are being extremely rude and I am not going to continue having a conversation with you and being spoken to this way.Your prerogative. However, I am not being rude, I'm just pointing out the inconsistencies in your argument which (to me) makes no sense. However if you're taking it as rudeness, then there's nothing I can do except to tell you that it was not my intention to be rude to you. My apologies if you felt that way. That being said, I stand behind all the points I was trying to make. Guess they really want a different kind of audience...Yeah, my sentiments exactly. What? We're not good enough for them? TBH this is the most drama-filled comedy I've ever seen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantagrae Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 I don't know why some people bag on Steve for some of the plots. I subconsciously flinch when I see Chuck listed as writer. He has given us some wonderful stories, but looking at Mom and TAHM; happy, fulfilling relationships don't appear to be in his wheelhouse. I sometime think he wants to steer the show back into the comedy noir that the original pilot was.To quote Bernadette from The Closure Alternative --"... It was like a whole other universe. If I wanted to, I could wipe it out with my thumb like a god."Maybe that applies to show creators too.But why would you say that? Just because Chuck (or his writers) may have done something with one set of characters on one show doesn't mean he would want to do that with this show. And he's not the only one with a say. Prady, even if he isn't in as much of a hands-on role as he use to be, still has a say.And I think that different characters and different settings dictate the kinds of stories that are told there. TAAHM was, to me, the grossest, pigsty of a show, with a revolving door of female characters coming along to be temporary girlfriends or bedmates with the guys and it was primarily about their various sexcapades.Mom, which I really enjoy, is also not about ongoing couples relationships, but about the relationships between the sets of mothers and daughters and the issues surrounding their struggles with sobriety and making a living.But TBBT is about generally happy characters meeting other characters and finding their way to each other. IMO, there's nothing cynical going on here, just because these couples have hit a bump in the road. I don't think he wants that dark comedy that didn't work. Why would he want that?I think that comparing Chuck's shows is kind of a vain exercise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djsurrey Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 (edited) I don't know. there seems to be a general cynicism in TBBT to marriage. I mean none of the parents appear to have strong marriages. Edited August 13, 2015 by djsurrey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrismo Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Missing all the angst in the Shamy storyline. Overdo, predictable, and about time for Amy. Sheldon being an ass. not exactly groundbreaking. the Lenny storyline is just fan fiction. Bad fanfiction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogravitasatall Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 (edited) Is that like in season 3 when Leonard did Dr Slutbunny, and Penny didn't want to ride with him because she told him she didn't want him to slip on a banana and get her pregnant.yes. And Penny knows that afer 2 years nothing has come of this thing that happened under almost exculpatory circumstances. So no mystery baby stories... unless they throw that one in too.. But whether Penny goes into her previous and entertaining mode of clearly staking out her territory as she did with Leslie, Dr Stephanie, Dr Slutbunny and Priya, we will see. I think she might conceivably befriend the other woman. Leonard is the one who stepped out and did her wrong. He screwed with their wedding, rooted their wedding night and called her fat, to ice the cake. On a particular level this is brilliant, and not apple pie at all. I am warming to that. Edited August 13, 2015 by Nogravitasatall edit for frakking phone posting challlenges Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonstar17 Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 I just can't get over the crap wedding lenny got. We have been waiting 8 yrs for this and we get the worst wedding ever, even Howard and Bernadette got a better wedding and I'm sure Sheldon and Amy will get a better one than the one they fed us lenny fans. It's a kick in the teeth for all the support we have given over 8yrs. They deserved a proper wedding there was some good moments between them but why the drama and more on their wedding day. I feel cheated like penny and I feel for penny in all this. She didn't deserve the emotional scars of broken trust that that tptb inflicted on her and the way they made Leonard want to have sex or kiss an attractive woman just doesn't make TBBT sense. Are they trying to put lenny back up there after the way they were treated them in S8. I don't know what they are up to but I don't trust them. Leonard needs to understand the concept of cheating and prove to Penny that ultimately she is his world, and penny need to let him know she wants a man committed to her emotionally and sexually, excluding all other women. Biology dictates both wants and society enforces and enables both sexes to achieve these wants. I just hate all this drama it's sucking the fun out of the comedy that could be had with lenny. But I guess it's another delay tactics by the writers not to move them in and keep Leonard in 4A. Sent from my SM-N910F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4everlenny Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Maybe Penny will get in to a cat fight with the boat girl like she did in season 2 with the new neighbor that move upstairs and all the guys started paying attention to her I forget her nameFunny, The Dead Hooker Juxtaposition is on here right now! Her name is Alishisha(not spelled right for sure) Penny just said it just creams my corn! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogravitasatall Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 they didn't have a pretty wedding because Howardette did that. Sad, but likely. And they need length. I still believe its about the journey. Hold fast. They will end up fine... as long we still get engaged with the story then its ok. But there are limits. If, for instance Penny dates for revenge.LOL. OR Bobbitts him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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