[Spoilers] Discussion Topic: Season 9

[ATOB]

1 hour ago, Squonk said:

There never was such a thing as a bi-curious Amy. There was also never such a thing as a private members club of two. Still it doesn't even comes close to my real life group of neighbours and friends.

Did you see the 'girls night' episode where Amy invited herself to Penny's with "I'm a girl" at the Cheesecake Factory and then researched what happens on girl's sleepovers; pillow fights, harmless lesbian experimentation etc? Later, she follows Penny into her room when she becomes upset over Leonard during a game of truth or dare and does something that makes Penny scream "what are you doing?" 

Here's a good game to pass the taping hiatus, what do you think Amy did to get that reaction? I'm going for either steal a kiss or grab Penny's boob. Anyone else wanna play?

Oh, also didn't she want the girls to get naked and rub mud all over each other for Bernie's hen do?

Private members club for two is just a turn of phrase BTW.

[Einstein Von Brainstorm]

1 hour ago, jenafan said:

Agreed, but my comment was referring to those not in the categories you mentioned.  Meemaw may have a bone to pick with Amy, but she's not a bad person. 

Hmm I'm not sure that ruining her precious Moonpie's proposal plan makes her an entirely great person 

Maybe she is meant to be a bit senile? I dunno but letting Amy know about the ring and ruining whatever plans Sheldon had crosses a line for me.

[JE7]

18 minutes ago, Einstein Von Brainstorm said:

Someone who "Isn't a real Doctor" whose job is "popping zits and squirting botox into old lady faces" whose Red Hair really sets off his Clown phobia - He rates her attractiveness to that of a clown. 

Sounds like the exact intellectual match for the great Sheldon Cooper, Homonovos definitely wants a companion who isn't a real Doctor with what he sees as a menial job, yep aha, seems legit! 10 points to Hufflepuff!

 

[ATOB]

13 hours ago, djsurrey said:

Have not seen it yet of course but I expect Meemaw's attack on Amy is supposed to be unexpected and therefore funny. Doubt it has any more real meaning.

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

[Carlos]

16 hours ago, camelliayao said:

Let me see if what I feel is what you feel.:)

When Amy wanted back together in 909, although a lot of others were questioning her decision since it seemed nothing had changed, I was quite happy with it. Because in my little Shamy shipper mind, her love for Sheldon and attraction between them was so strong, that she wanted to be with him no matter what.

Therefore, if we follow this explanation, what happens next should be that Amy no longer cares about those little, unimportant, superficial things in their relationship (such as what gift Sheldon gets her for Valentine's Day, if Sheldon stays with her on her birthday, etc), that she acknowledges Sheldon will never be a "normal" boyfriend and maybe she doesn't need a "normal" boyfriend, and what Shedon and she have is way much better than traditional romance.

Then the next few episodes woke me up from dreaming lol. I guess I read too many fanfics and have this perfect Shamy in my head. When the show doesn't go where I think it should be going, I get disappointed.

However, this is a comedy and Shamy is just a very small part of the show. So maybe a lot of the lines that make us uncomfortable are just for laughs. Maybe a year from now, we can laugh at how overdramatic we were. That being said, I still strongly hope that there can be fewer lines like "And you never cared enough to ask" or "I'm his best shot" in the future...

It is very interesting how a shipper and a non shipper see the same event but interpret it in a completely different way. For example I was very interested in the Shamy split, and thought it was a great idea because of all the change I thought it would bring, and how much I thought both characters were going to grow. I actually stopped caring (and posting in the Shamy thread when Amy wanted to get back with Sheldon unconditionally. I felt bad for Shamy shippers because it seemed to me that the split had been for nothing , and that TPTB had made Shamy shippers suffer from nothing. Btw, I have always been in the camp that would have liked to see much more of Amy's point of view, but apparently there's not enough time to let things unfold as (I think) they should.

The only portion of your post I disagree with is that I don't think Shamy is a small but rather quite a big part of the show. I do, however, wholeheartedly agree that TPTB will write almost anything for the sake of a joke. It's fine at the beginning of a show's run, but when you get into the later seasons, it screws up with continuity and the expectations you have about how certain characters should act.

[meka3000]

1 hour ago, Tensor said:

Because your oblivious, is someone elses obvious.  And your obvious is someone else's oblivious.   Not everyone looks at it the same, even if they spend time thinking about it.  

So tptb should spoon feed the oblivious even though not everyone is oblivious to the "why's" of Amy's actions?  I don't know about you but I despise shows that talk down to their audience because those shows don't have faith in their audience to be smart enough to read between the lines when necessary.

[JE7]

3 minutes ago, ATOB said:

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

Not at snoop or willies 

[meka3000]

37 minutes ago, ATOB said:

Yes, we were were all WATCHING (hey, why are we writing WATCHING like this?) and that right there's the beauty of BBT hermeneutics, and this here is where I think you hit a block Meka3000.

Every person WATCHING (caps again) will form their own exegesis (or even their own eisegesis if they ignore canon for rainbowy head-canon) depending on their own personal preference and experience. Some opinions will overlap of course, but where there no definite answers given, there will be a myriad of possible reasons a person WATCHING can attribute to a character's actions or thoughts.

An example;

I've been incredibly patient for years but still you seem unable to make a commitment to me.

I've been incredibly patient for years but I want a physical relationship and don't know if I can continue if that's never going to happen.

I've been incredibly patient for years but you still are unable to consider my feelings and realise that the way you act hurts me.

So, which one is the right one? 

Why does it have to be either/or? Why can't it be all of the above?

Edited January 26, 2016 by meka3000

[nibbler747]

7 minutes ago, Squonk said:

The fictional Amy is a nutjob who will do anything to be fictional Penny's friend, is that what you wanted to hear?

 

You seem a bit on edge today....  Nobody is dissing the characters.  This is simply what happened on the show in previous seasons.

[Tensor]

 

10 minutes ago, meka3000 said:

So tptb should spoon feed the oblivious even though not everyone is oblivious to the "why's" of Amy's actions?  I don't know about you but I despise shows that talk down to their audience because those shows don't have faith in their audience to be smart enough to read between the lines when necessary.

Then you must despise this show, as they do it all the time for scientific and fandom items.  For example, Alex told Leonard her father was part of SETI, Leonard then enunciated each word of the acronym, talking down to the audience. Schrödinger's cat is another example.   So, if someone thinks differently than you they are not smart enough to read between the lines?  

[Squonk]

2 minutes ago, nibbler747 said:

You seem a bit on edge today....  Nobody is dissing the characters.  This is simply what happened on the show in previous seasons.

I am sorry, I have deleted my post. I still think the whole Amy/Penny lesbian thing is misunderstood

[ATOB]

16 minutes ago, meka3000 said:

Why does it have to be either/or? Why can't it be all of the above?

Well, of course it can be!

Or it can be one of the above, or two, or none. Yep, it can be something else entirely.

If it's not clearly stated then it's open to interpretation. And that interpretation is as unique as each viewer's viewpoint.

You think the answer is "obvious".  So, which one do you plump for, I guess you are in the all of them group?

You'll find some here who'll fight till they're blue in the face (or fingers) that sex did not play a part in the Shamy break-up.

There's nowt as queer as folk eh?

[Carlos]

20 hours ago, jenafan said:

I'm not the best when it comes to using quantifiers in my posts, and it is not my intention to speak for everyone or the majority.   I have dyslexia and disability that affects the way I process words and sometimes I pick the wrong one to describe what I mean. 

Telling people how they should be viewing things by constantly questioning what or how they say something can be considered aggressive and nitpicking, and yes, telling them how to post.

Make of my posts what you will.   I've tried to be polite and entertain your inquiries, but I'm tired of having my words put under a microscope just for the sake of argument, or so it seems.  

You make a lot of good points, but others are being put on the defensive when presenting their own in your presence and are on the verge of giving up if they haven't already.

I want to frame this post and marry it. I can't because I'm already married, but your response to Mekka is spot on, and it is what I've been wanting to tell him for a long time but never seem to be able to muster the patience or eloquence to do so.

[3ku11]

Amys def bi curious or bi sexual nothing wrong with that.

[Einstein Von Brainstorm]

Just looking at the James Burrows pic again and I have a question...

Is this the awkward moment where Chandler was so good that you have to replace him with 4/7 of The Big Bang Theory cast

OR

The awkward moment when Bernadette, Raj and Amy are so good that you have to replace them with 5/6 of the Friends cast  

I would love to see some of the Friends cast guest on TBBT, like the Lisa Kudrow as Penny's Mum idea that I wasn't on board with till I saw them side by side!  A+ to the peeps who suggested that btw.

I'm pretty sure they have all (mostly) avoided sitcoms since Friends though haven't they? 

[meka3000]

37 minutes ago, Tensor said:

 

-Then you must despise this show, as they do it all the time for scientific and fandom items.  For example, Alex told Leonard her father was part of SETI, Leonard then enunciated each word of the acronym, talking down to the audience. Schrödinger's cat is another example.   So,

-if someone thinks differently than you they are not smart enough to read between the lines?  

Not everybody sees the seti example as talking down to the audience. I certainly didn't.

Also Schroedinger's cat was explained for penny the first time in s1's finale.  Every other time it has been mentioned again it hasn't been reexplained in the same length as the first time.

Edited January 27, 2016 by meka3000

[Tensor]

 

28 minutes ago, meka3000 said:

Not everybody sees the seti example as talking down to the audience. I certainly didn't.

Also Schroedinger's cat was explained for penny the first time in s1's finale.  Every other time it has been mentioned again it hasn't been reexplained in the same length as the first time.

And not everyone see it as talking down to the viewers by not spelling it out.   Why is it OK to call one talking down to the audience, but not the other?  Is it only when you consider it talking down, is it considered talking down?  No one else can can consider the show talking down for their own reasons?  

28 minutes ago, meka3000 said:

Also Schroedinger's cat was explained for penny the first time in s1's finale.  Every other time it has been mentioned again it hasn't been reexplained in the same length as the first time.

So, they talked down to the audience, thanks for confirming that.  But, I don't quite understand and since you seem to know, how long  does it have to be explained to be considered not talking down?  

[Tensor]

30 minutes ago, Einstein Von Brainstorm said:

Just looking at the James Burrows pic again and I have a question...

 

Because I can't get enough of this picture, I'll quote it also..

 

30 minutes ago, Einstein Von Brainstorm said:

 

I would love to see some of the Friends cast guest on TBBT, like the Lisa Kudrow as Penny's Mum idea that I wasn't on board with till I saw them side by side!  A+ to the peeps who suggested that btw.

That would be Kaley's suggestion.  

 

30 minutes ago, Einstein Von Brainstorm said:

I'm pretty sure they have all (mostly) avoided sitcoms since Friends though haven't they? 

All except Jennifer Aniston and David Schwimmer have starred in multiple seasons of various sitcoms since the end of Friends.  In addition, all except Jennifer Aniston have made multiple guest starring roles in sitcoms.  

[hazelra7]

6 hours ago, ATOB said:

It explains what is happening, but it doesn't explain the whys and what-fors does it though?

The whys and what-fors would be something along the lines of....

Being your girlfriend is so challenging because....

Emotionally and physically, I am drained because....

I've been incredibly patient for years but still you seem unable to meet my needs which are....

I need to take some time to take a step back and re-evaluate our situation and, to clarify, the 'situation' from my perspective is....

That would be explaining why. Stating you are challenged physically and emotionally, and tired of waiting (for what? Insert what Amy is tired of waiting for according to personal viewer subjectivity) and that she needs to re-evaluate the situation does not explain why she feels that way nor what she needs to evaluate.

 

The start of EVERY fan fic written over the summer... and a few written by me.  

If we left the readers hanging like that, we would hung out to dry and spammed with bad reviews.  However, its a sitcom and will never get the resolution we want, or the motivations from a tertiary character.

Edited January 27, 2016 by hazelra7

[2L344]

2 hours ago, ATOB said:

Did you see the 'girls night' episode where Amy invited herself to Penny's with "I'm a girl" at the Cheesecake Factory and then researched what happens on girl's sleepovers; pillow fights, harmless lesbian experimentation etc? Later, she follows Penny into her room when she becomes upset over Leonard during a game of truth or dare and does something that makes Penny scream "what are you doing?" 

Here's a good game to pass the taping hiatus, what do you think Amy did to get that reaction? I'm going for either steal a kiss or grab Penny's boob. Anyone else wanna play?

Oh, also didn't she want the girls to get naked and rub mud all over each other for Bernie's hen do?

Private members club for two is just a turn of phrase BTW.

Lol I thought a gravity-defying boob grab too when I saw that episode...

2 hours ago, Einstein Von Brainstorm said:

Hmm I'm not sure that ruining her precious Moonpie's proposal plan makes her an entirely great person 

Maybe she is meant to be a bit senile? I dunno but letting Amy know about the ring and ruining whatever plans Sheldon had crosses a line for me.

Eh, Sheldon already outed himself during the Spockumentary regarding his planned proposal. No idea however if Meemaw knew that or not before revealing it herself. I agree it's a crappy move by her but it doesn't rate much for me either way.

Edited January 27, 2016 by 2L344

[Tensor]

14 minutes ago, hazelra7 said:

However, its a sitcom and will never get the resolution we want, or the motivations from a tertiary character.

No doubt, but are you agreeing  with the poster ATOB was answering that others can't or shouldn't question why we didn't, in our view, get them?

 

[Nogravitasatall]

3 hours ago, Tensor said:

Because your oblivious, is someone elses obvious.  And your obvious is someone else's oblivious.   Not everyone looks at it the same, even if they spend time thinking about it.  

so true. And its really weird they can't see that. (lol)

By the way, I am impressed that Penny forgave Leonard, straight off the bat. I think that demonstrated a good understanding of human frailty. Of course, it sucked that she had the opportunity to show that understanding. Afterwards she kind of backed down, then she bucked up and returned to her original position. I do like Team Hofstadter. Their default is to be attracted to each other, and they just get their timing out. It seems they are fairly equitable in their doses of stupidity in their behaviour towards each other.

(There, something positive)

 

[Kasey]

9 minutes ago, Nogravitasatall said:

so true. And its really weird they can't see that. (lol)

By the way, I am impressed that Penny forgave Leonard, straight off the bat. I think that demonstrated a good understanding of human frailty. Of course, it sucked that she had the opportunity to show that understanding. Afterwards she kind of backed down, then she bucked up and returned to her original position. I do like Team Hofstadter. Their default is to be attracted to each other, and they just get their timing out. It seems they are fairly equitable in their doses of stupidity in their behaviour towards each other.

(There, something positive)

 

The ultimate key to a great relationship...

[jenafan]

4 hours ago, Stephen Hawking said:

But you did say we should respect our elders, 100%.

To me, 100% means there can be no exceptions, and all our elders should be respected.

I was agreeing 100% to the post I was replying to.   Sorry for the confusion.  

[2L344]

25 minutes ago, Nogravitasatall said:

so true. And its really weird they can't see that. (lol)

By the way, I am impressed that Penny forgave Leonard, straight off the bat. I think that demonstrated a good understanding of human frailty. Of course, it sucked that she had the opportunity to show that understanding. Afterwards she kind of backed down, then she bucked up and returned to her original position. I do like Team Hofstadter. Their default is to be attracted to each other, and they just get their timing out. It seems they are fairly equitable in their doses of stupidity in their behaviour towards each other.

(There, something positive)

 

When they are a team, they are at their best!