[Spoilers] Discussion Topic: Season 9

[EvilStewie]

2 minutes ago, ATOB said:

Attack?

What the hell are you reading?

Top = Giver. Bottom = Receiver.

Attack really doesn't have good connotations in English.

So, is Japanese your first language?

See, this is why I posted those terms and how the associated, because there are two different cultures involved and they see it differently! Its attack because one is in pursuit of the other.  Please stop quoting me, you do it for a raise, and you're making yourself look .. sorry, but stupid! 

[ATOB]

3 minutes ago, EvilStewie said:

See, this is why I posted those terms and how the associated, because there are two different cultures involved and they see it differently! Its attack because one is in pursuit of the other.  Please stop quoting me, you do it for a raise, and you're making yourself look .. sorry, but stupid! 

Stupid huh? Yeah that's me, Mrs Ficky McFick from Fickville. Oh the divine irony!

So, clever-clogs, do you think it's okay to associate the act of penetration with the word "attack" then?

 

[EvilStewie]

7 minutes ago, ATOB said:

Stupid huh? Yeah that's me, Mrs Ficky McFick from Fickville. Oh the divine irony!

So, clever-clogs, do you think it's okay to associate the act of penetration with the word "attack" then?

 

So Mrs, I talk about English as a second language, but can't understand "don't quote my posts"! I said I didn't agree with it, and attack isn't about the penetration is about winning over his love/ starting the relationship! The Japanese associate that attitude/personality as a "top" Quote away, I'm blocking you!! 

Edited January 30, 2016 by EvilStewie

[JE7]

[Einstein Von Brainstorm]

The Big Bang Theory in it's Ninth Season...

Has set a record + 7 viewing figure.

At the People's choice awards they won Favourite TV show (winning over both Game of Thrones and The Walking Dead!), Favorite network TV comedy and Jim won Favorite comedic TV actor.

Mayim Bialik won the Critic's Choice award.

The Cast is nominated for 'Outstanding Performance by an Ensemble in a Comedy Series' and Jim for 'Outstanding Performance by a Male Actor in a Comedy Series' at this year's SAG awards.

And CBS want the show to go beyond its contracted 10 seasons!

 

To summarise:

• People are still watching. 
• The cast/show is still being nominated & winning awards voted for by both the Public and the Critics. 
• The direction of the show, whether you see it as 'The Sheldon Show' or not, is working and the show is doing just fine!

 

Go Team Big Bang! 

[EvilStewie]

Just now, Einstein Von Brainstorm said:

The Big Bang Theory in it's Ninth Season...

Has set a record + 7 viewing figure.

At the People's choice awards they won Favourite TV show (winning over both Game of Thrones and The Walking Dead!), Favorite network TV comedy and Jim won Favorite comedic TV actor.

Mayim Bialik won the Critic's Choice award.

The Cast is nominated for 'Outstanding Performance by an Ensemble in a Comedy Series' and Jim for 'Outstanding Performance by a Male Actor in a Comedy Series' at this year's SAG awards.

And CBS want the show to go beyond its contracted 10 seasons!

 

To summarise:

• People are still watching. 
• The cast/show is still being nominated & winning awards voted for by both the Public and the Critics. 
• The direction of the show, whether you see it as 'The Sheldon Show' or not, is working and the show is doing just fine!

 

Go Team Big Bang! 

I would never block you, just saying   

[No Regrets]

48 minutes ago, ATOB said:

I wanted to add that the whole Mandy Cho boat kiss was Leonard sabotaging because he didn't feel worthy of Penny.

Well, that's the issue both characters have. Penny also doesn't feel worthy of Leonard, hence both of them sabotaging their relationship over and over for many years. What I was trying to say was that they're both on the same level emotionally. They're deeply insecure and terrified of losing each other. 

[ATOB]

25 minutes ago, EvilStewie said:

So Mrs, I talk about English as a second language, but can't understand "don't quote my posts"! I said I didn't agree with it, and attack isn't about the penetration is about winning over his love/ starting the relationship! The Japanese associate that attitude/personality as a "top" Quote away, I'm blocking you!! 

Oh no! I've been blocked because I am stupid! Hey, if I had feelings, they might be hurt!

Oh, just in case there's any confusion, this is what "attack" means;

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/attack

 

What do the Japanese do with a "power bottom" then? That must throw a spanner in the works.

Not going to link, Google "power bottom" if you must, descriptions can get a bit 'spicy'.

14 minutes ago, No Regrets said:

Well, that's the issue both characters have. Penny also doesn't feel worthy of Leonard, hence both of them sabotaging their relationship over and over for many years. What I was trying to say was that they're both on the same level emotionally. They're deeply insecure and terrified of losing each other. 

Of course. Penny has no desire to go back to dating the likes of Kurt, it's all part of her evolution.

[wowbagger]

The discussion about politics on the thread reminded me of a random moment from an earlier season of the show: Penny wearing a Hillary Clinton t-shirt. It wasn't commented on and it never showed up again, but it struck me as interesting in a show that (sensibly) steers clear of politics. And it got me wondering what sorts of governance systems the gang would espouse:

a ) Sheldon (and possibly Amy) would probably be a fan of a Greek-style Republic, but instead of recruitment by birth government would only be undertaken by an intellectual elite;

b ) Raj would be all about the plutocracy- just throw money and entertainments at the masses!;

c ) Bernie would have vast sympathy for a military dictatorship, I suspect, with a well-funded and dubiously-ethical experimental chemistry and biology laboratory (possibly courtesy Overlord Farrah Fowler);

d ) Leonard would be a hand-wringing liberal who is perennially disappointed by the proletariat (I hear you, Leonard);

e ) Howard would probably be an anarchist at heart, snarling at the government and shitting bricks at the demand to suggest an alternative himself; and

f) Penny would be the ultimate pragmatist, getting on with any government., but nursing a secret soft spot for the bullied and the underdog, a soft spot with a bad habit of rearing up at highly inconvenient moments. Think Rick Blaine in Casablanca (and now I'm imagining Penny saying to Leonard 'The problems of three little people don't amount to a hill of beans in this crazy world'. I'm also imagining Leonard saying to Stuart 'Play it, Sam. Play 'As Time Goes By'.)

Holy shit, that Riesling I drank last night is more potent than I'd thought! backing away now....

[Mislav]

11 hours ago, 3ku11 said:

Yeah yet to see should Sheldon apologize thread. Five years of mistreatment. Far as im concerned Sheldon deserved to be hurt, then some. Dont feel sorry for him at all, he had it coming. For years he has treated his loved ones like shit. I have no idea why they put up with him.

"Five years" is incorrect and Sheldon hasn't treated Amy like shit anyway (nor others, but that is a different story). They weren't even a couple until later in season five and didn't have constant or serious relationship problems until about season six. Most of their problems were about Amy wanting to get "physical" with him, but that hasn't been a part of their relationship originally and Sheldon had a right not to engage in such a thing if he wasn't ready. Engaging in it against his desires

would have made it terrible for both of them and relationship is about compromises from BOTH sides. Sheldon could be dismissive about her interests at times or biology in general, but she would show little to no interest in his "geek stuff" either, and he would watch the movies she enjoyed with her too. Sheldon used the Relationship Agreement to "monitor" their relationship, but Amy was introduced to it from the beginning, wasn't forced to sign it, and would constantly challenge it or even manipulate with it in her advantage ("The Fish Guts Displacement). Sheldon has participated in gift giving traditions and celebrations for Amy's sake, despite disliking such things. You seem to have a very narrow minded POV about Shamy, no offense.

[Chrismo]

10 hours ago, 3ku11 said:

Sheldon Coopers Adventures and Friends. Nor Himym or Friend's was so dominated by one character. Why Tbbt think Sheldon needs to be is beyond me. That's the Main issue these days. Its no longer an ensemble. 

It is funny they got nominated On the SAG awards for best ensemble. Obviously they got nominated by people who don't watch the show.

[Mislav]

9 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

It is funny they got nominated On the SAG awards for best ensemble. Obviously they got nominated by people who don't watch the show.

That's pretty arrogant and narrow minded claim at your part, Chrismo (as usual).

Obviously, everyone who disagrees with you is wrong. *sarcasm*

[Chrismo]

1 hour ago, Einstein Von Brainstorm said:

The Big Bang Theory in it's Ninth Season...

Has set a record + 7 viewing figure.

At the People's choice awards they won Favourite TV show (winning over both Game of Thrones and The Walking Dead!), Favorite network TV comedy and Jim won Favorite comedic TV actor.

Mayim Bialik won the Critic's Choice award.

The Cast is nominated for 'Outstanding Performance by an Ensemble in a Comedy Series' and Jim for 'Outstanding Performance by a Male Actor in a Comedy Series' at this year's SAG awards.

And CBS want the show to go beyond its contracted 10 seasons!

 

To summarise:

• People are still watching. 
• The cast/show is still being nominated & winning awards voted for by both the Public and the Critics. 
• The direction of the show, whether you see it as 'The Sheldon Show' or not, is working and the show is doing just fine!

 

Go Team Big Bang! 

I remember the days when NBC had must see tv on Thursday night and every show was great.  TBBT is still generally a good show. But is it's success to do to it's greatness or that there is nothing better on? 3kull asked a question on a poll what his top ten favorite shows in the last 12 years are. He gave his and to be honest I had seen maybe three of the shows.

[Kasey]

17 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

It is funny they got nominated On the SAG awards for best ensemble. Obviously they got nominated by people who don't watch the show.

I think you would have to qualify that and say 'people who haven't watched the show in the last couple of seasons. 

Before that I would say that it was an ensemble.  But somewhere it jumped the tracks to Coopersville and got stuck there. 

[Chrismo]

2 minutes ago, Kasey said:

I think you would have to qualify that and say 'people who haven't watched the show in the last couple of seasons. 

Before that I would say that it was an ensemble.  But somewhere it jumped the tracks to Coopersville and got stuck there. 

You do have a point. Friends got their awards in later seasons when the show wasn't as good.

[Tripper]

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Second, please remember not to discuss other ships disparagingly or talk negatively about other shippers as though they are part of one homogeneous blob.

[Stephen Hawking]

1 hour ago, wowbagger said:

but it struck me as interesting in a show that (sensibly) steers clear of politics....

They don't steer completely clear of politics.

Bernadette made a comment about politics, in The Vacation Solution.

[2L344]

For me, the show was light fun the first several seasons ( as a sitcom should be). Sheldon's blunt, cold, and inappropriate behavior was deliciously funny and was a source of guilty pleasure for me as a I howled at his remarks. He said what he wanted, and acted however he felt, and that was okay by me since it was funny. Howard and his constant search for an easy lay, and his barrage of droll comments, were pretty damned funny too. All of his loud exchanges with his Ma were to me hilarious, and just as inappropriate as Sheldon's behavior could get.  Penny was (and still is) easy on the eyes, and as the "non-nerd" we could see the guys through her eyes as what they were to the "normal" folks out there. She got her laughs from playing off the goofiness of the guys. Leonard was kind of the somewhat "normal nerd", someone who could be as dorky as Sheldon but without that anti-social side of him. His quest to win Penny over was entirely relatable, funny, and had me rooting for that lovable underdog.

Those first three or so seasons were a lot more simpler. Things got deeper for me once the show introduced Amy and Bernie to the show. The change was subtle at first, as the writers fleshed out the characters and tried to figure out what direction to go with the relationships. But soon enough everyone (with maybe the exception of Raj, who is STILL out there making a mess of things) was involved in serious relationships. Leonard got the "hot chick" but that wedding though, ugh...Howard got married (how does THAT happen lol?), and Sheldon has a gf in Amy who is now a sexual partner (again, THAT happened!). Amy won me over fast as the quirky and Sheldon-like gal who somehow "got" Sheldon and found his quirkiness "adorable". They were a fun duo who enjoyed doing things together and, in Amy, Sheldon found a companion who accepted him for all his inappropriateness.

With Sheldon, I never really analyzed him that much those first several seasons. Why would I? He was a guy the other characters cared enough to call friend and despite douche bag behavior, consistently hung out with him whether for meals, going to the comic store, playing games, etc. It wasn't until his fascinating relationship with Amy did I start to get a little uncomfortable with his behavior. This was a gal who idolized him and developed an attraction for him, and once the relationship started turning romantic he would treat her like a pet dog sometimes. I'm not second guessing the writers and their grand scheme, or how his behavior was continuing Sheldon's "normality"---just saying I started to feel a bit uncomfortable with it.

I think the show is at its best when the ensemble is featured together doing things, not that I don't enjoy the individual plots too whether it's something featuring Lenny or Shamy. For me, there's a part of me that relates to most every character on the show in some way. They can all make me laugh. 9 years of developing these characters naturally would have them "grow up" and change a bit. And with that, we get more "grown up" themes and some "soap opera" moments. They can be sweet and tear jerky scenes, and they can be thought provoking as we get a glimpse of a character's psyche. And we as fans gobble it up.

For me, season 9 has been a tough one to enjoy considering the first NINE episodes centered around a nasty break up. Let's throw in a cheap wedding that took a back seat to it (cmon, it is THE wedding, the one folks that watched from day 1 hoped for someday-- bad form writers)...Even if you're not a Shamy fan, it's tough because the other characters took more of a supporting role as the writers took us on that break up ride. I'm hoping that now that we've resolved the break up, and Sheldon development is well in hand, we can start seeing lighter stories that include everyone again. Stories that play out just for laughs, no hidden drama. 

As not only a fan of Shamy and (lightweight) Lenny , but as a fan of the SHOW, I hope there is more emphasis on the group and less on individual plots. Speaking for just me of course...

Edited January 30, 2016 by 2L344

[veejay]

11 minutes ago, 2L344 said:

For me, the show was light fun the first several seasons ( as a sitcom should be). Sheldon's blunt, cold, and inappropriate behavior was deliciously funny and was a source of guilty pleasure for me as a I howled at his remarks. He said what he wanted, and acted however he felt, and that was okay by me since it was funny. Howard and his constant search for an easy lay, and his barrage of droll comments, were pretty damned funny too. All of his loud exchanges with his Ma were to me hilarious, and just as inappropriate as Sheldon's behavior could get.  Penny was (and still is) easy on the eyes, and as the "non-nerd" we could see the guys through her eyes as what they were to the "normal" folks out there. She got her laughs from playing off the goofiness of the guys. Leonard was kind of the somewhat "normal nerd", someone who could be as dorky as Sheldon but without that anti-social side of him. His quest to win Penny over was entirely relatable, funny, and had me rooting for that lovable underdog.

Those first three or so seasons were a lot more simpler. Things got deeper for me once the show introduced Amy and Bernie to the show. The change was subtle at first, as the writers fleshed out the characters and tried to figure out what direction to go with the relationships. But soon enough everyone (with maybe the exception of Raj, who is STILL out there making a mess of things) was involved in serious relationships. Leonard got the "hot chick" but that wedding though, ugh...Howard got married (how does THAT happen lol?), and Sheldon has a gf in Amy who is now a sexual partner (again, THAT happened!). Amy won me over fast as the quirky and Sheldon-like gal who somehow "got" Sheldon and found his quirkiness "adorable". They were a fun duo who enjoyed doing things together and, in Amy, Sheldon found a companion who accepted him for all his inappropriateness.

With Sheldon, I never really analyzed him that much those first several seasons. Why would I? He was a guy the other characters cared enough to call friend and despite douche bag behavior, consistently hung out with him whether for meals, going to the comic store, playing games, etc. It wasn't until his fascinating relationship with Amy did I start to get a little uncomfortable with his behavior. This was a gal who idolized him and developed an attraction for him, and once the relationship started turning romantic he would treat her like a pet dog sometimes. I'm not second guessing the writers and their grand scheme, or how his behavior was continuing Sheldon's "normality"---just saying I started to feel a bit uncomfortable with it.

I think the show is at its best when the ensemble is featured together doing things, not that I don't enjoy the individual plots too whether it's something featuring Lenny or Shamy. For me, there's a part of me that relates to most every character on the show in some way. They can all make me laugh. 9 years of developing these characters naturally would have them "grow up" and change a bit. And with that, we get more "grown up" themes and some "soap opera" moments. They can be sweet and tear jerky scenes, and they can be thought provoking as we get a glimpse of a character's psyche. And we as fans gobble it up.

For me, season 9 has been a tough one to enjoy considering the first NINE episodes centered around a nasty break up. Let's throw in a cheap wedding that took a back seat to it (cmon, it is THE wedding, the one folks that watched from day 1 hoped for someday-- bad form writers)...Even if you're not a Shamy fan, it's tough because the other characters took more of a supporting role as the writers took us on that break up ride. I'm hoping that now that we've resolved the break up, and Sheldon development is well in hand, we can start seeing lighter stories that include everyone again. Stories that play out just for laughs, no hidden drama. 

As not only a fan of Shamy and (lightweight) Lenny , but as a fan of the SHOW, I hope there is more emphasis on the group and less on individual plots. Speaking for just me of course...

[Nogravitasatall]

4 hours ago, Mislav said:

Nov said that Sheldon would basically murder his friend(s) to save himself. He hasn't mentioned other instances of Sheldon being an ass and basically tried portraying him as one of the most selfish types of people ever, who doesn't value the lives of people closest to him. Saving lives and taking care of others, even a few times, is enough evidence to the contrary. Saying that his fans basically like a psychopath and a murderer. If opposing such bs makes me a Sheldon apologist, so be it.

Hey, that's harsh.   Lol. Murder requires intent. I don't think he would intend that.

Anyone's demise would merely be the unfortunate but utilitarian outcome. Sheesh. Hyperbowl much?  

 

[Chrismo]

17 minutes ago, 2L344 said:

 

As not only a fan of Shamy and (lightweight) Lenny , but as a fan of the SHOW, I hope there is more emphasis on the group and less on individual plots. Speaking for just me of course...

I agree with your entire post but you nailed it on individual plots. Just the last taping had a Shamy, Lenny, Howdette and Rajily storylines. Then you throw Barry in for good measure and all in a 19 minutes. I know it can't happen but IMO an episode can be funny and good if any of the characters aren't on. As to group plots I agree but some people just watch the show to see their favorite ship.

[Carlos]

11 hours ago, Chrismo said:

At least Trump doesn't look like a pervert.

Well... he sort of does... IMO (of course)

6 hours ago, Mislav said:

Sheldon saved Leonard's life in "The Staircase Implementation" and he was very worried about Leonard in "The Septum Deviation", he drove Penny to the hospital in "The Adhesive Duck Deficiency", and he took care of Amy for weeks in "The Fish Guts Displacement." So it looks like you're talking bs here. Claiming that sitcom character is selfish enough to murder his friend despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary seems pretty... unhealthy, and borderline disrespectful.

Your post is unhealthy and borderline disrespectful. When gaging how  a person is we take into consideration ALL of his actions and not just the 4 occasions in which he displayed empathy. And if your overwhelming evidence is 4 instances out of 10,000 you're the one who's spewing BS.

[Einstein Von Brainstorm]

The only complaint I have with the show right now is the criminal underuse of Melissa Rauch, she is hilarious and only ever gets a line or two per episode 

More of this please show!:

 

As a shipper I haven't been happy with my two faves breaking up this season, even if I didn't enjoy it the other peeps in my house did!
It delivered some of the best acting from Parsons and Bialik and I even managed to enjoy little parts of it like this:

   

 

Overall I am still happy with and enjoying the show, I still think it's funny and it's still sitting on top of the ratings pile so I can't be the only one still enjoying it!

[Mislav]

2 hours ago, 2L344 said:

For me, the show was light fun the first several seasons ( as a sitcom should be). Sheldon's blunt, cold, and inappropriate behavior was deliciously funny and was a source of guilty pleasure for me as a I howled at his remarks. He said what he wanted, and acted however he felt, and that was okay by me since it was funny. Howard and his constant search for an easy lay, and his barrage of droll comments, were pretty damned funny too. All of his loud exchanges with his Ma were to me hilarious, and just as inappropriate as Sheldon's behavior could get.  Penny was (and still is) easy on the eyes, and as the "non-nerd" we could see the guys through her eyes as what they were to the "normal" folks out there. She got her laughs from playing off the goofiness of the guys. Leonard was kind of the somewhat "normal nerd", someone who could be as dorky as Sheldon but without that anti-social side of him. His quest to win Penny over was entirely relatable, funny, and had me rooting for that lovable underdog.

Those first three or so seasons were a lot more simpler. Things got deeper for me once the show introduced Amy and Bernie to the show. The change was subtle at first, as the writers fleshed out the characters and tried to figure out what direction to go with the relationships. But soon enough everyone (with maybe the exception of Raj, who is STILL out there making a mess of things) was involved in serious relationships. Leonard got the "hot chick" but that wedding though, ugh...Howard got married (how does THAT happen lol?), and Sheldon has a gf in Amy who is now a sexual partner (again, THAT happened!). Amy won me over fast as the quirky and Sheldon-like gal who somehow "got" Sheldon and found his quirkiness "adorable". They were a fun duo who enjoyed doing things together and, in Amy, Sheldon found a companion who accepted him for all his inappropriateness.

With Sheldon, I never really analyzed him that much those first several seasons. Why would I? He was a guy the other characters cared enough to call friend and despite douche bag behavior, consistently hung out with him whether for meals, going to the comic store, playing games, etc. It wasn't until his fascinating relationship with Amy did I start to get a little uncomfortable with his behavior. This was a gal who idolized him and developed an attraction for him, and once the relationship started turning romantic he would treat her like a pet dog sometimes. I'm not second guessing the writers and their grand scheme, or how his behavior was continuing Sheldon's "normality"---just saying I started to feel a bit uncomfortable with it.

I think the show is at its best when the ensemble is featured together doing things, not that I don't enjoy the individual plots too whether it's something featuring Lenny or Shamy. For me, there's a part of me that relates to most every character on the show in some way. They can all make me laugh. 9 years of developing these characters naturally would have them "grow up" and change a bit. And with that, we get more "grown up" themes and some "soap opera" moments. They can be sweet and tear jerky scenes, and they can be thought provoking as we get a glimpse of a character's psyche. And we as fans gobble it up.

For me, season 9 has been a tough one to enjoy considering the first NINE episodes centered around a nasty break up. Let's throw in a cheap wedding that took a back seat to it (cmon, it is THE wedding, the one folks that watched from day 1 hoped for someday-- bad form writers)...Even if you're not a Shamy fan, it's tough because the other characters took more of a supporting role as the writers took us on that break up ride. I'm hoping that now that we've resolved the break up, and Sheldon development is well in hand, we can start seeing lighter stories that include everyone again. Stories that play out just for laughs, no hidden drama. 

As not only a fan of Shamy and (lightweight) Lenny , but as a fan of the SHOW, I hope there is more emphasis on the group and less on individual plots. Speaking for just me of course...

Very well put. I do agree with that more focus on the other characters is needed, and that some storyline should be lighter. I just don't appreciate some Lenny shippers constantly bashing Sheldon and, apparently, only complaining about the show on the general discussion thread most of the time. I wonder would they be that supportive of such "right" and "attitude" if Shamy shippers would complain about lack of Shamy while bashing Leonard.

[2L344]

 

22 minutes ago, Einstein Von Brainstorm said:

The only complaint I have with the show right now is the criminal underuse of Melissa Rauch, she is hilarious and only ever gets a line or two per episode 

More of this please show!:

 

As a shipper I haven't been happy with my two faves breaking up this season, even if I didn't enjoy it the other peeps in my house did!
It delivered some of the best acting from Parsons and Bialik and I even managed to enjoy little parts of it like this:

   

 

Overall I am still happy with and enjoying the show, I still think it's funny and it's still sitting on top of the ratings pile so I can't be the only one still enjoying it!

Agreed. Mayim and Jim both had performances worthy of award-garnering recognition. Watching some of the soul crushing moments were hard from a character standpoint, but as fans of Jim and Mayim's work they were absolutely a feast for the eyes. Ya just can't turn away...

When I watch old seasons it's easy to see that the way I enjoy the show is different now. It's become more serious to be sure, but it's still funny to me but maybe in a more grown up way. Hard to put into words some time...