[Spoilers] Discussion Topic: Season 9

[vasu]

I am not a big fan of Leonard's character but him keeping a secret from penny about the kiss that too with a girl who works at his workplace is not believable at all ....  Makes zero sense ...... But i guess these writers were never big on continuity 

[djsurrey]

Or  you can get really caught up with the characters and their relationships and get totally pissed off if they don't write the story well. There is no right or wrong way to see the show, is there?

You are right. There is a diverse audience.  I think they leave a lot up to personal interpretation at times as well. I was just saying it is possible to enjoy the characters without getting too caught up in the relationships. I personally like the comedy and quirks and not all the emotion. For me it is an enjoyable escape.

I guess there are some exceptions. I loved 

1. the scene in Bath Gift Hypothesis where Sheldon gets Leonard Nimoy's napkin 
2. Penny's line in The Stag Convergence where "Penny: Oh, my God, Howard. That’s the most beautiful thing I’ve ever heard. And it came out of you."
3. The dagobah swamp scene with Sheldon and the dead Professor Proton.

Edited August 14, 2015 by djsurrey

[3ku11]

Just want to say i really love Kaleys hair, she looks really cute in it. And reflects her characters place. Lenny more like equals with the do. But i agree Lenny forgive each others shortcomings, i see this no different. Getting married implies the endgame well be swift. Penny went through with it for better or for worst, thats the point. I well welcome closure on this whole thing, returns to light hearted plots. 

[veejay]

Tbh the only time ive ever invested in.the characters emotionally is when on this site lol. When im.away im.you DJ. 

Been there.

[meka3000]

how about you elborate then, instead of alledging theirs sitcoms out their with more drama, without actually naming any haha. 

Really?  Your asking me to do the metaphorical equivalency of shooting fish in a barrel, there's so many sitcoms out there with serious/dramatic/emotional moments that searching for ones on the internet should be about as easy as finding out the sky is blue.

I shouldn't have to point out the obvious but I'm going to do it anyway, here are some of the serious moments to happen in sitcoms; not all of these are my favorites but there ones that jump out to me because you can easily feel the emotion oozing from most of these scenes:

Futurama-Jurassic Bark

Fresh Prince of Bel Air-Will's father leaves again.

Boy Meets World- Shawn's father dies.

How I Met Your Mother- Lily leaves Marshall

Scrubs- My Lunch This one is my favorite of the ones I listed, where Dr. Cox loses it after loosing his third patient in a row, usually he always makes degrading jokes in any situation, but not here there are no jokes but we feel for the character and how it was obvious that he blamed himself for the patients dying.  Especially where knocks the medical equipment down to the floor in frustration.

 

Out of the last 4. You know what the difference between these scenes and almost ALL of Big Bang Theory's dramatic scenes?  In Big Bang Theory's dramatic scenes the tension will be diffused with a joke and/or the audience reacting to it.  It keeps things from feeling heavy.

In those other ones, there are NO JOKES to diffuse any tension and no laugh track/audience laughter in those specific scenes.  We're meant to notice that those scenes are serious, as opposed to in Big Bang Theory where in Big Bang Theory you have to search harder to notice the levity of specific scenes.  As opposed to the last 4 examples above, the levity is obvious.

Even at Big Bang Theory's heaviest the emotion/seriousness never overwhelms any specific scene.  There are other sitcoms that are the same way as the clips above, that's just a very, very, very, VERY, VERY small fraction of the amount of sitcoms out there that carry the will to be serious.

Saying Big Bang Theory even compares to what they do in terms of being dramatic/serious, or that Big Bang Theory is the most dramatic comedy out there is pretentious at best.

I am not a big fan of Leonard's character but him keeping a secret from penny about the kiss that too with a girl who works at his workplace is not believable at all ....  Makes zero sense ...... But i guess these writers were never big on continuity 

You know NEXT TO NOTHING about how and/or why Leonard came to the decision to keep the kiss and the girl a secret.  So saying that it makes no sense when you don't know most of the story behind it is presumptuous.

Such as? Please support your claim, because I've watched many sitcoms during the years and I don't remember as much drama. Maybe my memory's failing me. Please educate me. Thanks.

See above.

 Almost they are relying on old ideas, its like were witnissing a montage of 1-8. Penny hulking out and storming off, and Leonard  letting her. Its worked since s6 because Leonard has challenged Penny, thats not challenging  her. Thats cowering in fear, and whispering when shes not hearing "At least im not hard to lift". 

Different situations call for different characterizations.

Edited August 14, 2015 by meka3000

[Tensor]

 

You know NEXT TO NOTHING about how and/or why Leonard came to the decision to keep the kiss and the girl a secret.  So saying that it makes no sense when you don't know the most of the story behind it is presumptuous.

 

OK,  how exactly do you know that vasu knows next to nothing about, how and why did Leonard came to this decision to keep it secret.   You saying he doesn't know most of the story, by all means, explain to us exactly what the story is, and how you know that is the actual story.  

Edited August 14, 2015 by Tensor

[veejay]

 

.....Different situations call for different characterizations.

Different opinions call for..........wth? 

[3ku11]

The story is Leonard shared a kiss with a women whos not Penny. Hes also been.working with her for two years. And never told penny about it. Unless theirs more to it. Its not presumption to say it makes no.sense, its fact. 

[meka3000]

 

OK,  how exactly do you know that vasu knows next to nothing about, how and why did Leonard came to this decision to keep it secret.   

Because none of us reading the taping reports knows the exact reason(s) either.  The only way he could know is if he's in the writers room and I doubt he is.

explain to us exactly what the story is, and how you know that is the actual story.

I know as much as anyone else does that read the TR.  We know Leonard kept the kiss and the girl working at Cal Tech a secret for two years.  We DON'T know what lead him to making the decision to keep those secrets.  Until we know deeper details of this story like that.  Saying that it makes no sense story wise, makes no sense to me.

Edited August 14, 2015 by meka3000

[stardustmelody]

The story is Leonard shared a kiss with a women whos not Penny. Hes also been.working with her for two years. And never told penny about it. Unless theirs more to it. Its not presumption to say it makes no.sense, its fact. 

Yep...agree

[Chrismo]

 

 

I know as much as anyone else does that read the TR.  We know Leonard kept the kiss and the girl working at Cal Tech a secret for two years.  We DON'T know what lead him to making the decision to keep those secrets.  Until we know deeper details of this story like that.  Saying that it makes no sense story wise, makes no sense to me.

Aren't you assuming we are going to find out those deeper details?

[3ku11]

 

Because none of us reading the taping reports knows the exact reason(s) either.  The only way he could know is if he's in the writers room and I doubt he is.

I know as much as anyone else does that read the TR.  We know Leonard kept the kiss and the girl working at Cal Tech a secret for two years.  We DON'T know what lead him to making the decision to keep those secrets.  Until we know deeper details of this story like that.  Saying that it makes no sense story wise, makes no sense to me.

But your doing exactly what your accusing the poster of, making presumptions. No one knows Leonards motivations. But it doesn't matter, the point is he lied severly for a long period of time. All we have is the facts at hand. And story wise having him cheat on Priya, and tell her immediately. But cheat on Penny his fault or not, then work with her for two years. And not tell Penny about it, makes no sense. It lacks continuity. 

[Tensor]

 

Because none of us reading the taping reports knows the exact reason(s) either.  The only way he could know is if he's in the writers room and I doubt he is.

 

So, you don't really know, you just have doubts.

 

I know as much as anyone else does that read the TR.  We know Leonard kept the kiss and the girl working at Cal Tech a secret for two years.  We DON'T know what lead him to making the decision to keep those secrets.  Until we know deeper details of this story like that.  Saying that it makes no sense story wise, makes no sense to me. 

So, you can't explain the story, because you don't know.    Why does vasu have to wait until he knows the deeper details of the story to say it makes no sense to him now?  OH, that right, you expect him to watch it the way you do,  you think he's watching it incorrectly.    Implying that is not only presumptuous, it's pure bull squirt, and quite rude.  

Edited August 14, 2015 by Tensor

[meka3000]

Different opinions call for..........wth? 

okay different reactions from characters.

The story is Leonard shared a kiss with a women whos not Penny. Hes also been.working with her for two years. And never told penny about it. Unless theirs more to it. Its not presumption to say it makes no.sense, its fact. 

Mandy is supposed to appear in the next one, 9x01 revealed there was more to it (she works at Cal Tech and Leonard hesitated telling her that BECAUSE Penny wanted him to stop talking about it), if there's nothing "more to it" that is revealed in the next episode I'll endorse Donald Trump as the next president of the united states with my straightest face possible.

Aren't you assuming we are going to find out those deeper details?

Yes but I'm not making claims that something makes no sense without knowing more about the story.

Edited August 14, 2015 by meka3000

[3ku11]

okay different reactions from characters.

Mandy is supposed to appear in the next one, 9x01 revealed there was more to it (she works at Cal Tech and Leonard hesitated telling her that BECAUSE Penny wanted him to stop talking about it), if there's nothing "more to it" that is revealed in the next episode I'll endorse Donald Trump as the next president of the united states with my straightest face possible.

But your point was the poster was presuming as we dont know the whole story. How do you kno we dont. I doubt theirs more to it. Regardless of context Leonard lied for two years with a women, who is very much in his life. Unless facts change, theirs no more to it. So storyline wise it makes no sense. 

[Tensor]

 

Yes but I'm not making claims that something makes no sense without knowing more about the story.

No, you're just claiming someone else's view makes no sense, without being able to provide any kind of information showing their view is incorrect, without knowing more about the story yourself.   Just based only on your feeling on what you think should happen, not what has happened.  

[meka3000]

But your doing exactly what your accusing the poster of, making presumptions. No one knows Leonards motivations.

But it doesn't matter, the point is he lied severly for a long period of time. All we have is the facts at hand. And story wise having him cheat on Priya, and tell her immediately. But cheat on Penny his fault or not, then work with her for two years. And not tell Penny about it, makes no sense. It lacks continuity. 

Your right we don't know his motivations, so why jump to conclusions and declare something makes no sense without knowing the motivations that drive the characters.

Just because he reacted ONE WAY with Priya doesn't mean he's going to react the same way with Penny.  With the girl working at Cal Tech how do you know Leonard telling Penny wouldn't have it's own consequences?

[Chrismo]

I know this is a presumption but doesn't this also mean that Sheldon knew about this two years? I didn't read anywhere in this taping  that Leonard told Sheldon about it before Sheldon going to talk to Penny.

[Tensor]

Oh no chrismo, you can be presumptuous, thats watching it wrong. 

[stardustmelody]

Meka, you are missing the point.  The point isn't about whether there is more story behind his indiscretion, it is that the way the writers handled his revelation to Penny is what many viewers, including myself feel makes no sense.  

If he claims to love Penny with all his heart and wants to spend the rest of his life with her, why did it take him over two years to mention the "kiss that meant nothing to him" and that was "so bad it chipped her tooth" to Penny?  Why did he also not reveal immediately up front that that same person worked with him?  Get the whole truth out immediately all at once instead of a bit at a time and then we still don't know if another bomb is about to be dropped?   It makes no sense given the history of the character.  

Leonard didn't even care for Priya nearly at the level he has always cared about Penny, yet immediately told her when he had his attraction to Alice and that he couldn't cheat on her.   Why not do the same with Penny, the love of his life?   It makes no sense that he would take so long to reveal this information to her, much less wait until on his way to marry her.   Why didn't he reveal it upon return from the North Sea and make it clear he would still be seeing this girl on a daily basis because she worked at Cal Tech (which came out of the blue as well since he was supposed to be a unique selection from Cal Tech and they re-wrote that history as well).  

That is what does not make sense...that they re-wrote history all over the place to make a plot-ploy in order to mess up Lenny's wedding and weaken them.   Their story and history now have been compromised because they re-wrote history all over the place to make this story work in the writers room.   That is what does not make any sense.   What you said about there may be more...I believe there is more and that is also going to only make it even more confusing and make it harder to make sense out of any of it.

Also, just read Chrismo's remark and yes...that also means that Sheldon held this information from Penny for two years...a man who is terrible at keeping secrets.  So why the secrecy and why suddenly are they re-writing history all ove r the place and making the story so implausible?   It is hard to swallow it when it destroys all of the previous history that was already in place.

Edited August 14, 2015 by stardustmelody

[meka3000]

 

So, you don't really know, you just have doubts.

If your trying to suggest he works in the writers room your wasting your time.

So, you can't explain the story, because you don't know.

The difference is I'm not claiming a story makes no sense without knowing deeper details, he is.

Why does vasu have to wait until he knows the deeper details of the story to say it makes no sense to him now?  OH, that right, you expect him to watch it the way you do,  you think he's watching it incorrectly.

AGAIN with this.  I'm not implying that he has to watch it a specific way.  All I'm saying is that I think his interpretation about it making no sense is wrong & without nuance. He could chose to view a different situation on the show in the same way, and I could find that I agree with his interpretation.  It's THIS SPECIFIC INTERPRETATION that I don't agree with.

[3ku11]

I quote Sheldon "im batman! " haha. So based on that, that doesent make any sense. Its not about whether theirs more. It is more about how the writers choose deal with it. Based on past, it makes no sense. 

[Chrismo]

I know this is a presumption but doesn't this also mean that Sheldon knew about this two years? I didn't read anywhere in this taping  that Leonard told Sheldon about it before Sheldon going to talk to Penny.

Does this mean Raj and Howard know? Bernadette and Amy?

[veejay]

@Tensor, I think we need a new thread, maybe called 'Megaphonic3000‘.
Opposing comments will not be allowed in this thread, yeah I know….LOL

[meka3000]

Meka, you are missing the point.  The point isn't about whether there is more story behind his indiscretion, it is that the way the writers handled his revelation to Penny is what many viewers, including myself feel makes no sense. 

Why do the writers need to reveal EVERYTHING in one episode?

No, you're just claiming someone else's view makes no sense

So you think it makes sense to assume that nothing else will be revealed about this, JUST AFTER more was revealed in the follow up episode to the season finale?