[Spoilers] Discussion Topic: Season 9

[djsurrey]

Not really, he's commented on the attractiveness of Penny and Lalita Gupta in the past. Also Sheldon doesn't really care for looks but rather intelligence so if anything you should worry about him finding her brilliant. Sigh Im getting quite tired of repeating this...

Suddenly with that point Penny might not have near as much to worry about as Amy. When is the last time he called Amy brilliant?

[Luna18]

So in other words Sheldon was just trying to cause more trouble for Lenny for the fun of it.

Well you're free to interpret things as you wish but Sheldon just tends to say things as they are. 

Suddenly with that point Penny might not have near as much to worry about as Amy. When is the last time he called Amy brilliant?

Well I think the fact that hes with her and loves her is proof that he admires her intelligence greatly.

I recall him saying that one of her ideas for fun with flags was brilliant too.

[Tensor]

 

Yes, vasu thinks it doesn't make sense, but as meka pointed out, vasu is making that judgement based on very little information, which was what the original exchange was about--that one can't draw a firm conclusion (it makes zero sense) when we don't yet know the rest of the story.

 

Very little information?   We know he kissed her on the boat.  We know he works with her and has for almost two years since the kiss.  We know he's kept it from Penny for that entire time.  Why is it, with the information that we have, presumptuous (as meka said)  to suggest it doesn't make sense for the character?    vasu isn't the only one who thinks it doesn't make sense here, does that mean all of those other posters that don't think it makes sense are presumptuous?

To claim that there will be some sort of huge explanation requires an assumption that there is going to be something that explains this.  But we don't know if there are going to be any such explanation.  We don't know if there IS any other information.  Do you have something that we don't know?   Other than some vague "you believe that we'll get something?"   I guess by that logic, we could say that Amy and Penny are going to hook up, Bernadette is going to cheat on Howard with Sheldon, etc.    

 

 

If you think that it's possible to draw a firm conclusion based on what little we know so far, then by all means, argue that point.  But arguing about whether or not one can know if vasu is in the writers room?  Really?  That point was not even germaine to the real point--that no one can tell what's going to make sense until it all plays out.

Yes the point is germane.  How does meka know what vasu says makes no sense (and to use your logic, what does it matter to meka what vasu thinks about it) since we don't have that other information?  All I asked was for meka to present evidence that vasu isn't on the writing staff.  No one can say otherwise until we get more information, because we don't know the whole story.  We can surmise, but we don't know.  

 

[phantagrae]

Has he ever called Amy attractive? I know in season 1 he called Penny attractive.

He called her a cute little lump of wool.  And he also referred to her as a "hotsy totsy"

[3ku11]

Sheldon has been causing trouble with Lenny since day one, its not a new character development. S2 implying shes not smart enough for Leonard. Even last season, even encouraging that doc played by BBT to pursue Penny. Hes selfish, but its his character. i do agree Leonard diddnt  tell Penny for two years, as she gets really insecure, so from his pov, he was protecting her. Hence why he felt it was time to tell her about the brilliant women, now theyre getting married. Did he make a bad judgment call? Sure, but it came from a good place. Leonard has a history of being the nice guy who tries to please everyone. And we all know how susceptible he is to the opposite sex attention. Based on his relationship with his mother. But we all know it doesent make sense storytelling wise, as it lacks continuity with his character. 

Edited August 14, 2015 by 3ku11

[boys3allc]

I think even though I am primarily a Shamy shipper.... I am most upset about the Lenny wedding. Their wedding was 8 years in the making. It deserved a whole season devoted to planning and development HIMYM style. I wanted to see Amy and Bernadette fight over who got to be Maid of honor and who was just a bridesmaid. I wanted the guys to have a crazy bachelor party better than Howard's. I wanted to see Penny try on all manner of crazy dresses settling on the perfect mix of sexy/sweet. I wanted to hear Sheldon's pompous but touching toast. I feel cheated dang it! I hope they give them a redo after they make up and make it count. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

[Cereal Apist]

Yeah I am. Just don't tell Vasu. Lol. If I were a fly on the wall in the writers room I'd make sure they all get malaria.

. Okay that was a bit OOC of me.

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Ummm you'd need to be a mosquito not a fly to give them malaria.

[Irene]

Ummm you'd need to be a mosquito not a fly to give them malaria.

Entomologically speaking, mosquitos are a type of fly, being a member of the order Diptera. (And yes, I am aware that's a rather Sheldon-y reply.) 

[Queen Louise]

is anyone been/going to the wb tbbt tour if so what are the sets?

if its tour has finished

[Tonstar17]

Ummm you'd need to be a mosquito not a fly to give them malaria.

Fair point. But if I was a mosquito and I shag a fly I could spread malaria. :) Sent from my SM-N910F using Tapatalk

[3ku11]

I dont know as a predominantly lenny fan. Im.fine with that wedding, i get the feeling being cheated after eight years. I kinda feel.that way too. But i have a feeling their vows were so special in that moment, that saved it for me. So for that alone im fine with that being the only wedding. I.dont need toasts, Sheldon being Sheldon lol. Family and Friends, eloboratewedding etc. Reminds me of Himym when Marshall and Lilly nearly got married in a church with everyone. But they then got married on a boat, for more intimacy. This wedding reminds me of that. If they do a redo great, if not the dialogue in the vegas wedding perfectly for me anyway summed up Lennys 8 year relationship, and the whole show. They are the central and most important couple, it should always be that way imo.

 

Buti think this show really drags out storylines and character growth, opposed to most shows. For instance in Friends Rachel quit being a waitress in.s3, and found a passsion in.fashion. Penny quit being a waitress in s7. Very late in the shows run. Therefore i.dont think shes found her passion yet, if its not selling pharm meds lol. So it just stalls things, therefore forces character growth. Chandler and Monica get married s7, Marshall and Lilly s4. Lenny s9. I could go on and on. Lenny get engaged 7x23. And for over a year and a half theirs virtually no talk of the wedding. The finalie should of been their wedding imo. I dont know i guess im more interested in their marrage, and he comedy potential it brings. 

Edited August 15, 2015 by 3ku11

[boys3allc]

I dont know as a predominantly lenny fan. Im.fine with that wedding, i get the feeling being cheated after eight years. I kinda feel.that way too. But i have a feeling their vows were so special in that moment, that saved it for me. So for that alone im fine with that being the only wedding. I.dont need toasts, Sheldon being Sheldon lol. Family and Friends, eloboratewedding etc. Reminds me of Himym when Marshall and Lilly nearly got married in a church with everyone. But they then got married on a boat, for more intimacy. This wedding reminds me of that. If they do a redo great, if not the dialogue in the vegas wedding perfectly for me anyway summed up Lennys 8 year relationship, and the whole show. They are the central and most important couple, it should always be that way imo.

 

Buti think this show really drags out storylines and character growth, opposed to most shows. For instance in Friends Rachel quit being a waitress in.s3, and found a passsion in.fashion. Penny quit being a waitress in s7. Very late in the shows run. Therefore i.dont think shes found her passion yet, if its not selling pharm meds lol. So it just stalls things, therefore forces character growth. Chandler and Monica get married s7, Marshall and Lilly s4. Lenny s9. I could go on and on. Lenny get engaged 7x23. And for over a year and a half theirs virtually no talk of the wedding. The finalie should of been their wedding imo. 

Marshall and Lily never got married on the boat!!! They decided that they wanted to have a special wedding and the show gave them the wedding they deserved and it took like half a season to get there. Just like their break up took half a season to get back together. As Marshall would say Lawyered Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

[Nogravitasatall]

Question: Has any TV couple had a wedding like Leonard and Penny? I'm guessing they own this space. ... Score!

[3ku11]

Question: Has any TV couple had a wedding like Leonard and Penny? I'm guessing they own this space. ... Score!

usually its go to vegas, move together lol. So im glad bbt broke this trope heh. The toystory dialogue something not seen too, imo Lenny are very unique to the usual boy meets girl story. 

Marshall and Lily never got married on the boat!!! They decided that they wanted to have a special wedding and the show gave them the wedding they deserved and it took like half a season to get there. Just like their break up took half a season to get back together. As Marshall would say Lawyered Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

im a big himym fan, so i appreciate the lawyered lol. But im sure they got married in a church, then shortly afrer on a boat, i could be wrong tho. 

[Carlos]

Really?  Your asking me to do the metaphorical equivalency of shooting fish in a barrel, there's so many sitcoms out there with serious/dramatic/emotional moments that searching for ones on the internet should be about as easy as finding out the sky is blue.

I shouldn't have to point out the obvious but I'm going to do it anyway, here are some of the serious moments to happen in sitcoms; not all of these are my favorites but there ones that jump out to me because you can easily feel the emotion oozing from most of these scenes:

Futurama-Jurassic Bark

Fresh Prince of Bel Air-Will's father leaves again.

Boy Meets World- Shawn's father dies.

How I Met Your Mother- Lily leaves Marshall

Scrubs- My Lunch This one is my favorite of the ones I listed, where Dr. Cox loses it after loosing his third patient in a row, usually he always makes degrading jokes in any situation, but not here there are no jokes but we feel for the character and how it was obvious that he blamed himself for the patients dying.  Especially where knocks the medical equipment down to the floor in frustration.

 

Out of the last 4. You know what the difference between these scenes and almost ALL of Big Bang Theory's dramatic scenes?  In Big Bang Theory's dramatic scenes the tension will be diffused with a joke and/or the audience reacting to it.  It keeps things from feeling heavy.

In those other ones, there are NO JOKES to diffuse any tension and no laugh track/audience laughter in those specific scenes.  We're meant to notice that those scenes are serious, as opposed to in Big Bang Theory where in Big Bang Theory you have to search harder to notice the levity of specific scenes.  As opposed to the last 4 examples above, the levity is obvious.

Even at Big Bang Theory's heaviest the emotion/seriousness never overwhelms any specific scene.  There are other sitcoms that are the same way as the clips above, that's just a very, very, very, VERY, VERY small fraction of the amount of sitcoms out there that carry the will to be serious.

Saying Big Bang Theory even compares to what they do in terms of being dramatic/serious, or that Big Bang Theory is the most dramatic comedy out there is pretentious at best.

You know NEXT TO NOTHING about how and/or why Leonard came to the decision to keep the kiss and the girl a secret.  So saying that it makes no sense when you don't know most of the story behind it is presumptuous.

See above.

Different situations call for different characterizations.

Your post is very informative, thank you very much. However I believe you might have a problem with reading comprehension. What I said is that I didn't remember a sitcom with more drama. more indicates quantity, not quality of the drama or intensity, or magnitude. What I was looking for that your post failed to demonstrate was series which during their run had an equal or greater amount of drama. That is what I couldn't think of, and still can't. As I'm saying it's the amount (and frequency) of the drama not the intensity.

Did you even read my message??????  I SAID that it is because they are re-writing history to make their story work that is the issue...not that there is more that may come out. We don't know and won't presume to know if more may or may not come out.  But what we do know is that they have messed up the history now so much and compromised it in such a way that no matter WHAT they tell in the future, we now have no idea when they will change that down the road and make it all different again. It has become an implausible story because they have violated their own history that they spent years writing in the past with this couple.  THAT is what does not make sense.  Why are you so focused on what is still unknown?  That is irrelevant.  It already is too compromised to make any sense and to be plausible because of what they have already told in the PAST...that is the issue!

No Stardust he didn't, or if he did he knit picked the part that was opposing to his so that he could refute your post which was irrefutable, and in my opinion the best post on the subject. It explains everything clearly and makes complete sense. Shame on you! You should know our friend Meka can't take that ;-)

[Ranger Rosa]

Your post is very informative, thank you very much. However I believe you might have a problem with reading comprehension. What I said is that I didn't remember a sitcom with more drama. more indicates quantity, not quality of the drama or intensity, or magnitude. What I was looking for that your post failed to demonstrate was series which during their run had an equal or greater amount of drama. That is what I couldn't think of, and still can't. As I'm saying it's the amount (and frequency) of the drama not the intensity.

Well, if you watch the season 8 finale and right after watch the season nine premiere you'll feel the drama in a big amount, frequency and intensity, especially the s8's finale. Although the s9 premiere had more fight than drama, but I understood your point

 

[3ku11]

Himym is an example of a Dramady. While bbt tone at present is dramatic, very story driven.

[boys3allc]

usually its go to vegas, move together lol. So im glad bbt broke this trope heh. The toystory dialogue something not seen too, imo Lenny are very unique to the usual boy meets girl story. 

im a big himym fan, so i appreciate the lawyered lol. But im sure they got married in a church, then shortly afrer on a boat, i could be wrong tho. 

HIMYM was my obession before TBBT I Assure you are wrong. After the break up Lily was nervous to marry in front if his family. They were going to do it in Atlantic city they decided it was for the wrong reasons then got married in a church. However there break up is how the Shamy break should be handled Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

[Carlos]

They didn't rewrite history, they retconned it.  Nothing that we have been given so far in the TR  IMO has been proven to invalidate the characters/history that we know.

Just because you didn't know about this specific story in the past, doesn't mean it didn't happen in the shows canon.

Leonard has been known to give in to female attention throughout the series.  He's also been known to keep secrets from his friends for a long period of time (Irish Pub Formulation).

You're embarrassing yourself. You have NOTHING to refute Stardust's post. absolutely NOTHING. You're wasting your time.

[meka3000]

However I believe you might have a problem with reading comprehension. What I said is that I didn't remember a sitcom with more drama. more indicates quantity, not quality of the drama or intensity, or magnitude. What I was looking for that your post failed to demonstrate was series which during their run had an equal or greater amount of drama.

I feel you're either moving the goalposts or you poorly got that point across.  You never specified that "more" exclusively meant quantity of episodes that have drama in them.  All you said was "this is the most drama filled comedy I've ever seen." Nothing in there indicates YOU ONLY MEANT quantity.

[Carlos]

Meka...you can believe whatever you wish.  But they have definitely violated past history whether you choose to see it or not.  As Sheldon would say...you can't see atoms but they are there.  They clearly changed history when they decided to have Leonard's behavior with a woman in the past that meant not near as much as Penny means to him be totally different when it came to an indiscretion.  They also changed history when they said that Cal Tech was being offered one person to be able to go on the North Seas trip and Leonard was selected.  So suddenly this woman that was also on the North Seas works at Cal-Tech...that is re-writing history.  One person does not equal two no matter how you slice it.

Likewise, Sheldon may not have known about the indiscretion, but he certainly knew that Leonard was still working with an intelligent and attractive woman for the last two years that he had been on the North Seas with (that may be retconned, but still is very hard to swallow)...and yet he had never mentioned her before?   Even in a casual conversation they likely would have said Mandy recommended xyz on a proposal or something.  If you are going to retcon a story...you still need to make it believable.  Right now...they have made this totally unbelievable.  It just is too hard to swallow as a fan because it is so out of character and so out in the left field.   It may have more story, but what is already there is very far-fetched.   

I guess not all of us are gullible and always just take what the writers say as gospel.   Because we know for a fact they have re-written history in the past, and they have also violated character traits in the past, but they were minor compared to this whopper!

Stardust; I liked this post as well as your first one on the matter because they make total sense and explain things in a very clear way. I don't know what's going on with the writers because they have not only re-written history, they are re-writing the characters. it is as if they got to this point and said "fuck it, let's just wing it". It is for me a very sad day: they have destroyed Lenny and Leonard. It's just too bad...

[3ku11]

Meka your wrong, your in the minority here just admit it LOL

[Nogravitasatall]

I feel that its incontrovertible that they have cracks in their universe. I'm not persuaded yet by earlier reconstructions but others have built huge edifices upon them because they appealed. If this shaking and resettling allows something worthwhile, then so be it.

I'll miss Leonard's rectitude.

[meka3000]

No Stardust he didn't, or if he did he knit picked the part that was opposing to his so that he could refute your post which was irrefutable, and in my opinion the best post on the subject. It explains everything clearly and makes complete sense. Shame on you! You should know our friend Meka can't take that ;-)

Irrefuteable? Check out his next post, where he claims only one person from cal tech was allowed to go as part of the shows history.  He was wrong about that which I backed up with a reference.  Sorry but his point about tptb contradicting the shows history is VERY refuteable.

Meka your wrong, your in the minority here just admit it LOL

Prove that i'm wrong then. Being in the minority does not automatically make a person wrong.

Edited August 15, 2015 by meka3000

[Carlos]

Oh I see but considering that vasu basically hates on everything in this show and trolls around most of the time, I think that the chances of that being true are -1000000 to 0.

Welllllllllll...he is NOT the only troll, I'll tell you that right now. (Btw, I am NOT implying you are one; just want to make sure you don't misinterpret me)

Yeah I am. Just don't tell Vasu. Lol. If I were a fly on the wall in the writers room I'd make sure they all get malaria. :). Okay that was a bit OOC of me. :) Sent from my SM-N910F using Tapatalk

NOOOOOOOOOO, Tonstar, that's a GREAT idea!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That way we can change all the writers and hope the new ones will tell a better story.