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Just now, I Miss Dan said:

I usually love the relationships, but have to admit this is becoming more of a tella novella than a science related show.  I mean, there are 5 working scientists  and a pharmasutical rep. and a doctor--you'd think there would be more than break-ups and make-ups.

Yeah, especially as two of the couples are married. 

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3 hours ago, djsurrey said:

Penny has called Leonard a jerk, an ass and a looser. I have seen a lot of Everyone Loves Raymond episodes and overall Deborah was a lot better in her treatment of Raymond than Penny has been to Leonard. Penny has been a lot nicer this season but when things are going smoothly Lenny is in the background. 

Penny has never called Leonard a jerk, an ass, or a looser. Not sure where your getting that. How has Penny treated Leonard that badly? You can't compare though. Elr started with them married. Bbt started with Penny at the beginning of her life. So it was more trial and error. Im just saying she never deliberately hurt or treated Leonard badly.

35 minutes ago, Stephen Hawking said:

If you don't find someone attractive, that's it.

You can't force yourself, to find someone attractive.

Lol Sheldon doesent find any women attractive. At least he was never interested in the notion alone. Up until Amy. The very concept of human contact did not interest him at all. Hence why some speculated he was Asexual. Which the idea no.women turns him on other then Amy. Which depends how you look at it. Sweet I suspose. But doesent really make any sense. I guess 90% of their relationship is emotional.and intellectual. 

50 minutes ago, Mislav said:

I just don't see how Leonard is being abused, emotionally, whenever somebody tells him something sarcastic or something that he doesn't like (or what viewers think that he doesn't like). Is that what some of you are saying? How is he being emotionally abused (other than by his mother, mind you)? What is the pattern, the instances?

 
 
Not to mention, Leonard has been able to stand up for himself when he wanted from very early in the show (remember Kurt during the Halloween party, Leonard calling Penny out on dating that scientist that she considered more attractive than him, dating Priya despite Raj's protests, etc.) And he has shown that he can be sarcastic back just as good. Every one of the four guys had problems in their childhood one way or another, and almost all had less then perfect relationships with their mothers (but again, not se severe as Leonard's). Not saying that everyone is great towards him and that he sometimes doesn't stand up for himself, but I don't see how is he getting abused in the first place, or how should he stand up to "that", or how we is apparently too weak (generally speaking) or something.
 
 
And if he feels that he is being mistreated, yes, most of the blame comes to people responsible for that, but shouldn't he at least express his disdain of that, therefore baring some responsibility for his own life, as a grown man? (And yes, the same applies to Sheldon, Howard, Raj, Penny, etc.) In case the conditions (Leonard's) are as unfair as some people see them to be, which is still baffling to me.

So because he lacks the capacity to express his disdain. That somehow justifies when his so.called love ones attempt to diminish him or devalue him? Lol right. He stood up to Kurt. Yes but what's that got to do WITH his Mothers emotional abuse? He called Penny out, but then caved when she started crying. So not exactly standing up for himself. He didn't do that with Penny till.s6. It seems to me the idea of one has been emotionally abused or not is predicated on the idea one takes responsibility. Yes Leonard is an adult now. But when ppl saying he wss emotionally abused. They are referring to his difficult child hood. Yes everyone has issues growing up. But in.Leonard's case his formulative years were dominated by his Mother. So.all his relationships with women were so impacted by.that one relationship. Does that mean Leonard is abused emotionally now? Not necessarily. But his so.called loved ones. Could be a tad more understanding.

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17 minutes ago, 3ku11 said:

Penny has never called Leonard a jerk, an ass, or a looser. Not sure where your getting that. How has Penny treated Leonard that badly? You can't compare though. Elr started with them married. Bbt started with Penny at the beginning of her life. So it was more trial and error. Im just saying she never deliberately hurt or treated Leonard badly.

Lol Sheldon doesent find any women attractive. At least he was never interested in the notion alone. Up until Amy. The very concept of human contact did not interest him at all. Hence why some speculated he was Asexual. Which the idea no.women turns him on other then Amy. Which depends how you look at it. Sweet I suspose. But doesent really make any sense. I guess 90% of their relationship is emotional.and intellectual. 

So because he lacks the capacity to express his disdain. That somehow justifies when his so.called love ones attempt to diminish him or devalue him? Lol right.

My point is that he isn't being abused at all (except maybe by his mother, that he rarely has any contact with).

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Here is another perspective.  Have you ever met someone, and they were nice, but you didn't really think anything of them (romantically).  The raw attraction was missing.  But as you got to know them, you started noticing how intelligent, funny, kind they are as a person.  As you get to know this person better and better, you like them more and more.    And at that point, you start noticing things physically about them.  The unique colour of their eyes.  The cute way they smile. etc.   You begin to find them physically attractive. As you get to know them even better, that physical attraction grows and grows.   At first glance the attraction wasn't there, but after getting to know them, it's abundant.   Falling in love will do that to you. :girlinlove:

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6 hours ago, Strawberry PopTart Fan said:

I think, like life, character development after so many years can get messy.But, it is also what hooks us as fans. I probably would have quit the show if the characters were still just 2 dimensional joke machines.For me, the romances, the friendships, the fights,the miscommunication, the back stories, and yes, some of the drama and angst along with so much really funny stuff have made TBBT my favorite comedy ever. It's why we are so invested. It's what makes us  shippers passionate,happy,angry,miserable,competitive, combative, cranky and ecstatic and nostalgic.

So, I guess it is a real struggle for the writers to find that happy balance and sometimes they tip too far to the edge of what is funny and what is too much drama.  But they get it right a lot too or we wouldn't be having conversations about year 10!

So here's to more fun for everyone in however much time we have left to watch!

I luv ya PopTart but I have to disagre. Your right life is messy which is why when I get a break from the mess I want to be entertained. Make me laugh give me 20 minutes of fun, that's all I ask TBBT isn't real life its a short escape from it angst, relationship drama etc.. Are all around us in the real world why would I want to weigh down my fantasy world with them to?

The answer is I don't, which is why my love for the show is fading it is no fun to escape into a world filled with the same problems I see every day because that's no escape at all

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19 minutes ago, JE7 said:

I luv ya PopTart but I have to disagre. Your right life is messy which is why when I get a break from the mess I want to be entertained. Make me laugh give me 20 minutes of fun, that's all I ask TBBT isn't real life its a short escape from it angst, relationship drama etc.. Are all around us in the real world why would I want to weigh down my fantasy world with them to?

The answer is I don't, which is why my love for the show is fading it is no fun to escape into a world filled with the same problems I see every day because that's no escape at all

I think the issue is its s9. What was funny then. Maybe not now. AFTER so many years the characters just cannot have the same impact THEY once had. Its hard to remain fresh. The reason tbbt was fun as it was an escape from reality. I just think the show is now dealing with real world issues now. Within the characters. For some its gone to real, and simply outgrown the show. Show has not changed all that much really in 9 years. Maybe the audience has. Point is its damned if you do, damned if you dont scenario. I.get what YOUR saying watch dvds. Show wss so fun, they ruined it! Lol. Then realize but yeah beyond s3 that premise would of gotten stale. They needed to expand the show. And focus on character and story development. So I think they the right choice in the end. Change is the only constant.

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9 hours ago, JE7 said:

I think that's a large part of the problem what the hell is "career fulfilment angst" doing in a sitcom? The show needs to stop all the deep philosophical bs and go back to trying to be a comedy again all this angst/personal evaluation/misc drama just ain't funny. the best TBBT was simple TBBT when they were trying to make us laugh not prove what good writers they are, "see we can write drama, angst etc. See how talented we are!!!" It is supposed to be funny first and foremost, they have lost that, they need to stop polishing their resumes and do their damn job.... IMO

I kinda agree with the gyst of this...while I do enjoy the dramatic moments here and there, and it goes to expanding character development and endears them to us fans even more (not always though), I sometimes want to remind the writers that it IS a sitcom and most people watch them to escape some of the realities of real life, and we just wanna have some laughs...if I want melodrama in every episode I can watch daytime soap operas. If there must be some drama in a plot for our characters, can it be related to something without involving each other as the protagonist? Must the respective couples routinely have at one another? Yes there are disagreements in every relationship, but must that be the norm in the relationships in our sitcom?

My favorite episodes have had nothing to do with romantic entanglements. Scavenger hunt, boys vs. girls Pictionary, girls night out, just to name a few. I enjoy when our couples are happy, these writers are really good at the cute moments. More of those, less of the heartache. I think we are finally starting to see that now that the Shamy drama is wrapped up after Meemaw. Then again, Raj is back in solo land and there's potential for more drama there, I'm not sure where the writers are going with the Lenny ship just yet either since they spent time with a psychologist....

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I luv ya PopTart but I have to disagre. Your right life is messy which is why when I get a break from the mess I want to be entertained. Make me laugh give me 20 minutes of fun, that's all I ask TBBT isn't real life its a short escape from it angst, relationship drama etc.. Are all around us in the real world why would I want to weigh down my fantasy world with them to?

The answer is I don't, which is why my love for the show is fading it is no fun to escape into a world filled with the same problems I see every day because that's no escape at all

I think the issue is its s9. What was funny then. Maybe not now. AFTER so many years the characters just cannot have the same impact THEY once had. Its hard to remain fresh. The reason tbbt was fun as it was an escape from reality. I just think the show is now dealing with real world issues now. Within the characters. For some its gone to real, and simply outgrown the show. Show has not changed all that much really in 9 years. Maybe the audience has. Point is its damned if you do, damned if you dont scenario. I.get what YOUR saying watch dvds. Show wss so fun, they ruined it! Lol. Then realize but yeah beyond s3 that premise would of gotten stale. They needed to expand the show. And focus on character and story development. So I think they the right choice in the end. Change is the only constant.

The point JE7 is making. It's a comedy that's why a lot of ppls started watching. A feel good factor after a day of the rat race of urban cities life, watching your fav comedy show.Why turn it into drama. There is a reasons why ppls watch drama, soaps that what they like/want. TBBT is moving away from it roots to a drama show and a lot less funny. Like you said look how funny the earlier seasons where. Now I don't even laugh that much cause my brain is now tuned to expect drama not comedy. Ppls want the laughs back.

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7 hours ago, Strawberry PopTart Fan said:

I think, like life, character development after so many years can get messy.But, it is also what hooks us as fans. I probably would have quit the show if the characters were still just 2 dimensional joke machines.For me, the romances, the friendships, the fights,the miscommunication, the back stories, and yes, some of the drama and angst along with so much really funny stuff have made TBBT my favorite comedy ever. It's why we are so invested. It's what makes us  shippers passionate,happy,angry,miserable,competitive, combative, cranky and ecstatic and nostalgic.

So, I guess it is a real struggle for the writers to find that happy balance and sometimes they tip too far to the edge of what is funny and what is too much drama.  But they get it right a lot too or we wouldn't be having conversations about year 10!

So here's to more fun for everyone in however much time we have left to watch!

Well said. Here's to more fun episodes with maybe just a sprinkling of drama to add some spice!bill.gif

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Yes the show had to change but it did not have to stop being funny. TPTB made a concious decision to become relationship driven and that led to all the angst and drama. The charecters could have grown, married, changed jobs all while being a comedy and without the drama. It's not change that's the problem it's the change they have chosen to make, a change away from comedy and into drama. It changed the show not just the charecters and moved away from its roots into completely diffrent territory and in my opinion not for the better.

There could have been change to keep us interested with out totally deconstructing the show and rebuilding it as a DRAMAdy.

Again my opinion and I know many disagree but the heart feels what the heart feels :shy:

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8 minutes ago, Tonstar17 said:

I think the issue is its s9. What was funny then. Maybe not now. AFTER so many years the characters just cannot have the same impact THEY once had. Its hard to remain fresh. The reason tbbt was fun as it was an escape from reality. I just think the show is now dealing with real world issues now. Within the characters. For some its gone to real, and simply outgrown the show. Show has not changed all that much really in 9 years. Maybe the audience has. Point is its damned if you do, damned if you dont scenario. I.get what YOUR saying watch dvds. Show wss so fun, they ruined it! Lol. Then realize but yeah beyond s3 that premise would of gotten stale. They needed to expand the show. And focus on character and story development. So I think they the right choice in the end. Change is the only constant.

 

The point JE7 is making. It's a comedy that's why a lot of ppls started watching. A feel good factor after a day of the rat race of urban cities life, watching your fav comedy show.Why turn it into drama. There is a reasons why ppls watch drama, soaps that what they like/want. TBBT is moving away from it roots to a drama show and a lot less funny. Like you said look how funny the earlier seasons where. Now I don't even laugh that much cause my brain is now tuned to expect drama not comedy. Ppls want the laughs back.

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I didn't say its not a comedy. And I don't get this drama. It has forms. But s9 been pretty light hearted tbh. Want drama watch mom. My point is maybe a certain subset of the audience has outgrown the show. And its not necessarily about drama (seriously in what ways is tbbt a drama? Some storylines sure, but overall its no different than s4). But the show just ain't an escape from reality  anymore as was Je7s point. Besides shows too gone now, THEY cant go bk even if they wanted to. Ship has long sailed.

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16 minutes ago, Tonstar17 said:

 

The point JE7 is making. It's a comedy that's why a lot of ppls started watching. A feel good factor after a day of the rat race of urban cities life, watching your fav comedy show.Why turn it into drama. There is a reasons why ppls watch drama, soaps that what they like/want. TBBT is moving away from it roots to a drama show and a lot less funny. Like you said look how funny the earlier seasons where. Now I don't even laugh that much cause my brain is now tuned to expect drama not comedy. Ppls want the laughs back.

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Wow we were typing at the same time and said basically the same thing, even used some of the same words.

To quote season 3 Penny "freaky"

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I think the issue is its s9. What was funny then. Maybe not now. AFTER so many years the characters just cannot have the same impact THEY once had. Its hard to remain fresh. The reason tbbt was fun as it was an escape from reality. I just think the show is now dealing with real world issues now. Within the characters. For some its gone to real, and simply outgrown the show. Show has not changed all that much really in 9 years. Maybe the audience has. Point is its damned if you do, damned if you dont scenario. I.get what YOUR saying watch dvds. Show wss so fun, they ruined it! Lol. Then realize but yeah beyond s3 that premise would of gotten stale. They needed to expand the show. And focus on character and story development. So I think they the right choice in the end. Change is the only constant.

 

The point JE7 is making. It's a comedy that's why a lot of ppls started watching. A feel good factor after a day of the rat race of urban cities life, watching your fav comedy show.Why turn it into drama. There is a reasons why ppls watch drama, soaps that what they like/want. TBBT is moving away from it roots to a drama show and a lot less funny. Like you said look how funny the earlier seasons where. Now I don't even laugh that much cause my brain is now tuned to expect drama not comedy. Ppls want the laughs back.

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I didn't say its not a comedy. And I don't get this drama. It has forms. But s9 been pretty light hearted tbh. Want drama watch mom. My point is maybe a certain subset of the audience has outgrown the show. And its not necessarily about drama (seriously in what ways is tbbt a drama? Some storylines sure, but overall its no different than s4). But the show just ain't an escape from reality  anymore as was Je7s point. Besides shows too gone now, THEY cant go bk even if they wanted to. Ship has long sailed.

That's the sad part. Too much drama not a enough lol. If I bought a Mars bar I expect to be eating a mars bar not a kit kat. I guess for some of us. You dont know what you get until you about the box. ☺

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11 minutes ago, Tonstar17 said:

The point JE7 is making. It's a comedy that's why a lot of ppls started watching. A feel good factor after a day of the rat race of urban cities life, watching your fav comedy show.Why turn it into drama. There is a reasons why ppls watch drama, soaps that what they like/want. TBBT is moving away from it roots to a drama show and a lot less funny. Like you said look how funny the earlier seasons where. Now I don't even laugh that much cause my brain is now tuned to expect drama not comedy. Ppls want the laughs back.

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I still laugh and enjoy the show, but I ain't gonna lie--the bold part. As a Shamy shipper season 9 has me walking on proverbial egg shells as I view the episodes now. 9 episodes of angst has me now watching episodes with Shamy in it with suspicion, when I didn't really do that before. Are we past that long break up drama, or will this be another episode of revisiting it in some form? Ugh...

things seem to be improving if the TR's are accurate (and I have no reason to doubt that they are), and I'm hopeful for some of the old fun TBBT is famous for. I still love the show, but season 9 HAS changed how I view it now and I wish it hadn't...

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The point JE7 is making. It's a comedy that's why a lot of ppls started watching. A feel good factor after a day of the rat race of urban cities life, watching your fav comedy show.Why turn it into drama. There is a reasons why ppls watch drama, soaps that what they like/want. TBBT is moving away from it roots to a drama show and a lot less funny. Like you said look how funny the earlier seasons where. Now I don't even laugh that much cause my brain is now tuned to expect drama not comedy. Ppls want the laughs back.

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Wow we were typing at the same time and said basically the same thing, even used some of the same words.

To quote season 3 Penny "freaky"

Freaky or what. ☺

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8 minutes ago, JE7 said:

Yes the show had to change but it did not have to stop being funny. TPTB made a concious decision to become relationship driven and that led to all the angst and drama. The charecters could have grown, married, changed jobs all while being a comedy and without the drama. It's not change that's the problem it's the change they have chosen to make, a change away from comedy and into drama. It changed the show not just the charecters and moved away from its roots into completely diffrent territory and in my opinion not for the better.

There could have been change to keep us interested with out totally deconstructing the show and rebuilding it as a DRAMAdy.

Again my opinion and I know many disagree but the heart feels what the heart feels :shy:

So are you saying go away Amy and Bernadette haha. Sorry I disagree I dont see how tbbt is drama. Its just using a tired format. The audience has seen for nine odd years. That's why they need to shake up the show for s10. Its not a show about four physicists and a hot girl anymore. Its a show about young student professional's tbh. I made that rules of engagement reference lol. I just think at this stage they are running out of ideas. Ala Meemaw. Hence why they are getting these big milestones out of the way. For a big s10 finish. Maybe then they well just do fun non relationship plots. More focus on friendship dynamics.  Once couples and Raj lol are settled. I dont think the audience needs to be reminded every week the guys are dating.

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1 hour ago, JE7 said:

I luv ya PopTart but I have to disagre. Your right life is messy which is why when I get a break from the mess I want to be entertained. Make me laugh give me 20 minutes of fun, that's all I ask TBBT isn't real life its a short escape from it angst, relationship drama etc.. Are all around us in the real world why would I want to weigh down my fantasy world with them to?

The answer is I don't, which is why my love for the show is fading it is no fun to escape into a world filled with the same problems I see every day because that's no escape at all

Well apparently the only way to keep Lenny happy and drama free is to keep them barefoot and in the kitchen. 

Hmm...maybe a pregnancy will develop also :)

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18 minutes ago, 3ku11 said:

I didn't say its not a comedy. And I don't get this drama. It has forms. But s9 been pretty light hearted tbh. Want drama watch mom. My point is maybe a certain subset of the audience has outgrown the show. And its not necessarily about drama (seriously in what ways is tbbt a drama? Some storylines sure, but overall its no different than s4). But the show just ain't an escape from reality  anymore as was Je7s point. Besides shows too gone now, THEY cant go bk even if they wanted to. Ship has long sailed.

I want you to know I do this with all the love in my heart :icon_razz:

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The point JE7 is making. It's a comedy that's why a lot of ppls started watching. A feel good factor after a day of the rat race of urban cities life, watching your fav comedy show.Why turn it into drama. There is a reasons why ppls watch drama, soaps that what they like/want. TBBT is moving away from it roots to a drama show and a lot less funny. Like you said look how funny the earlier seasons where. Now I don't even laugh that much cause my brain is now tuned to expect drama not comedy. Ppls want the laughs back.

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I still laugh and enjoy the show, but I ain't gonna lie--the bold part. As a Shamy shipper season 9 has me walking on proverbial egg shells as I view the episodes now. 9 episodes of angst has me now watching episodes with Shamy in it with suspicion, when I didn't really do that before. Are we past that long break up drama, or will this be another episode of revisiting it in some form? Ugh...

things seem to be improving if the TR's are accurate (and I have no reason to doubt that they are), and I'm hopeful for some of the old fun TBBT is famous for. I still love the show, but season 9 HAS changed how I view it now and I wish it hadn't...

S9 is feeling rushed like they are trying to fix loose ends too quickly. But it can go anyway tptb want it to go. Is this a hint that the show will end in S10? I don't really know but, it scary right now. I dread watching new episodes even after reading TRS. For me anyway.

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