[Spoilers] Discussion Topic: Season 9

[MTBigBangTheoryFan]

I learned awhile ago that it best to wait until the Episode airs before I make a final judgment. as Bill said the show that airs on Thursday Night is the real show/product!   

I can see where some people are disappointed or expected more.  It does seem like a fun filler type Group episode. I guess we will have to wait and see when it airs  how it comes off on TV.  

I know some wanted something really big, special, spectacular or dramatic to happen. But I am kind of glad nothing did. We now have 2 Fun episodes in a row it seem like.  I always set the bar low going into any taping and always have low expectation in order not to be disappointed  

 

And also looking at the  history of 200th episodes  for TV Shows they have been quit boring or been just a regular Episode. Nothing really major happened in them. Friends, Murphy Brown, Cheers and Fraser and some others were just more Regular Episode with some bordering the line of boring. 100th episode are the real milestone episode for something major to happen. 

 

 

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[vonmar]

From Dave Goetsch...TBBT co-executive producer and writer

[3ku11]

2 hours ago, veejay said:

 

Lol Ignore Vasu Leonard aint pathetic. The guy has a serious anti biast towards his character. For what ever reason I.don't know.

Eta: Regarding Sp. I agree great first three seasons when they were antagonists.. And vying for Leonard's attention. Being on different wave lengths it waa funny, but they ximplt dont understand each otherike Lenny do. But ever since s6 although the relationship is still maternal. The dynamic has just changed. Clearly Penny wouldent go their if the whole world ended. They were in close proximity for three months in s7.  But now the dynamics changed. Its not about sexually or physically. That's not even vaguely possible. Penny just has maternal instincts towards Sheldon. Its just I agree boundaries need to be set. I get Penny wanted to resolve the situation. So she went in their and monopolized Sheldon. With some nice words. But its how it looks. Penny of course sees Sheldon as this big toddler. Hes just to weird in her mind. That well never change. But now theirs a more relationship compassion. And they are now friends. They just cant do.these isolated scenes Any more. Its gone from funny to just plain out disturbing. This is not about romance. Penny just doesent see Sheldon like that. She sees him as a brother. But I agree it's about boundaries. The writers are just being careless. And disrespectful to their SOS. Who have had a far bigger impact on their lifes. And this is nlt about Sheldon and Penny having some special relationship. Because they don't. But imagine if Leonard went into the bathroom with Amy? I guess though Sheldons already seen Penny naked and no tension their lol.  But as said dynamics changed since THEN.

Edited February 10, 2016 by 3ku11

[Einstein Von Brainstorm]

11 minutes ago, vonmar said:

From Dave Goetsch...TBBT co-executive producer and writer

So. Cool! 

[vasu]

9 minutes ago, 3ku11 said:

Lol Ignore Vasu Leonard aint pathetic. The guy has a serious anti biast towards his character. For what ever reason I.don't know.

lol bias... my argument was quite sound.....

just imagine if this were leonard's birthday... there would not have been any party... since no one would have remembered it..... there was episode this season itself where it was shown that penny did not remember leonard's birthday......

and this is the same penny who remember amy and sheldon's birthday... and also gave a lecture to sheldon on how important it was for sheldon to stay with amy on his birthday...

and penny settling for him..... just see the episode with the psyc doctor.... penny could'nt give one proper reason as to why she married leonard... she could'nt tell one nice thing about leonard....

I mean if that does not explain it to you... I have no idea what does.....

Edited February 10, 2016 by vasu

[Einstein Von Brainstorm]

4 minutes ago, vasu said:

lol bias... my argument was quite sound.....

just imagine if this were leonard's birthday... there would not have been any party... since no one would have remembered it..... there was episode this season itself where it was shown that penny did not remember leonard's birthday......

and penny settling for him..... just see the episode with the psyc doctor.... penny could'nt give one proper reason as to why she married leonard... she could'nt tell one nice thing about leonard....

I mean if that does not explain it to you... I have no idea what does.....

Sheldon would remember it! 

[vasu]

Just now, Einstein Von Brainstorm said:

Sheldon would remember it! 

probably but he could'nt have cared less about it....

[No Regrets]

7 minutes ago, vasu said:

lol bias... my argument was quite sound.....

just imagine if this were leonard's birthday... there would not have been any party... since no one would have remembered it..... there was episode this season itself where it was shown that penny did not remember leonard's birthday......

and this is the same penny who remember amy and sheldon's birthday... and also gave a lecture to sheldon on how important it was for sheldon to stay with amy on his birthday...

and penny settling for him..... just see the episode with the psyc doctor.... penny could'nt give one proper reason as to why she married leonard... she could'nt tell one nice thing about leonard....

I mean if that does not explain it to you... I have no idea what does.....

Penny wasn't there for a therapy session and isn't exactly the most forthcoming when it comes to how she feels, so her first instinct being that she doesn't wanna talk to a complete stranger about her marriage? Not exactly OOC. And if she didn't wanna be married to Leonard, she wouldn't be. Unless I've missed someone putting a gun to her head and forcing her to stay with Leonard for the past few years. 

But since you've always had a clear bias against Leonard and hate on him no matter what he does, I'm not even gonna comment any further cause quite frankly, it's a waste of time.

[FortCozyMcBlanket]

34 minutes ago, vonmar said:

From Dave Goetsch...TBBT co-executive producer and writer

bookshelf goals. 

[veejay]

On 10.2.2016 at 9:14 PM, vasu said:

lol bias... my argument was quite sound.....

just imagine if this were leonard's birthday... there would not have been any party... since no one would have remembered it..... there was episode this season itself where it was shown that penny did not remember leonard's birthday......

and this is the same penny who remember amy and sheldon's birthday... and also gave a lecture to sheldon on how important it was for sheldon to stay with amy on his birthday...

and penny settling for him..... just see the episode with the psyc doctor.... penny could'nt give one proper reason as to why she married leonard... she could'nt tell one nice thing about leonard....

I mean if that does not explain it to you... I have no idea what does.....

 

 

Edited October 26, 2016 by veejay

[vasu]

10 minutes ago, No Regrets said:

Penny wasn't there for a therapy session and isn't exactly the most forthcoming when it comes to how she feels, so her first instinct being that she doesn't wanna talk to a complete stranger about her marriage? Not exactly OOC. And if she didn't wanna be married to Leonard, she wouldn't be. Unless I've missed someone putting a gun to her head and forcing her to stay with Leonard for the past few years. 

But since you've always had a clear bias against Leonard and hate on him no matter what he does, I'm not even gonna comment any further cause quite frankly, it's a waste of time.

it was pretty clear from that discussion with the psyc doctor that if Penny had made it as an actress big time.... she would not have married leonard.....

hell she proposed because she was fired from a movie...  

it might also be the reasons why she constantly belittles leonard... from his hobbies to his "performance" in the bedroom..... infront of everyone...... all the while knowing how insecure leonard is......

there are so many things that happened which show she clearly settled for leonard....

Edited February 10, 2016 by vasu

[No Regrets]

1 minute ago, vasu said:

it was pretty clear from that discussion with the psyc doctor that if Penny had made it as an actress big time.... she would not have married leonard.....

What's pretty clear is that you make assumptions based on, well, nothing. Penny's career path has nothing to do with how she feels about Leonard. Also, Penny said if she ever makes it as an actress and has to move, Leonard would just come with her.

[vasu]

1 minute ago, No Regrets said:

What's pretty clear is that you make assumptions based on, well, nothing. Penny's career path has nothing to do with how she feels about Leonard. Also, Penny said if she ever makes it as an actress and has to move, Leonard would just come with her.

umm really.... she proposed drunk when her part was cut out of some show.... and again she proposed when she got fired from the movie.......

and then recently at the doctor ...she complains about how unhappy she is .....direct relation to her career and her relationship with leonard...

[No Regrets]

3 minutes ago, vasu said:

umm really.... she proposed drunk when her part was cut out of some show.... and again she proposed when she got fired from the movie.......

and then recently at the doctor ...she complains about how unhappy she is .....direct relation to her career and her relationship with leonard...

Penny: I finally realize I don't need to be famous or have some big career to be happy!
Leonard: Well what do you need?
Penny: You, you stupid Poptart!

Show me the quote where Penny said she was "unhappy". She has a husband who suffers from a childhood trauma and yes, that's overwhelming for her. She also complains about the fact that they're still living with Sheldon (which you conveniently left out) and that makes her long for simpler times. I don't see how that translates to her being unhappy in general. Marriage isn't always fun and roses. Doesn't mean you don't love your partner. Again, if Penny didn't wanna be married to Leonard, she wouldn't be.

[Mislav]

Thank you all for the reports!

 

The episode sounds funny and lighthearted, so it is good somehow. But for the 200th episode, it sounds a bit disappointing. The biggest complaint in my book is that they only brought Leslie back, and only for a few lines. Also, her being on the party doesn't make much sense. It would have been funnier if Barry had hit on her instead of Beverly. A really missed opportunity. Also I wanted to see her get over her disdain of Sheldon, if she were to appear, that would have been nice. I mean, it's been over six years.

 

 

I wouldn't have mind seeing Lucy again, as well as some minor characters like captain Sweatpants. I'm not really sure about 200th episode being the right for Lenny to move out because that would, too, be a major theme in the episode and wouldn't leave much room for other characters. I look forward to seeing Adam West though. 

 

 

I think that 200th episode should have been some sort a flashback episode. There are many things that haven't been shown. Maybe have a flashback to some Lenny moments while Sheldon was away post season seven finale, then include some sort of a "morning after" following Shamy coitus. I am not sure about Howard and Raj though... The reason for them to start talking is to get Sheldon's mind off the argument with Leslie (yeah, contrived). That could reason for some additional Leslie scenes, making her interact with Barry. Stuart finally realizes that he's been acting way too needy and creepy and decides to let them go. At the end he somehow runs into Lucy. Not a dream.

 

 

[vasu]

9 minutes ago, No Regrets said:

Penny: I finally realize I don't need to be famous or have some big career to be happy!
Leonard: Well what do you need?
Penny: You, you stupid Poptart!

Show me the quote where Penny said she was "unhappy". She has a husband who suffers from a childhood trauma and yes, that's overwhelming for her. She also complains about the fact that they're still living with Sheldon (which you conveniently left out) and that makes her long for simpler times. I don't see how that translates to her being unhappy in general. Marriage isn't always fun and roses. Doesn't mean you don't love your partner. Again, if Penny didn't wanna be married to Leonard, she wouldn't be.

for your first part :

the moment she got another opportunity she went for it... ignoring what leonard said and even mocking him...... and then confesses the same to the doctor about how unhappy she is...

living with Sheldon was her idea.... and in the latest report ... she does not seem to have any problem with sheldon at all..... again penny married leonard because she was not able to make it as an actress..... 

and its not as if they have been married for years... the got married recently..... so clearly she is unhappy

Edited February 10, 2016 by vasu

[hokie3457]

8 minutes ago, No Regrets said:

Penny: I finally realize I don't need to be famous or have some big career to be happy!
Leonard: Well what do you need?
Penny: You, you stupid Poptart!

Show me the quote where Penny said she was "unhappy". She has a husband who suffers from a childhood trauma and yes, that's overwhelming for her. She also complains about the fact that they're still living with Sheldon (which you conveniently left out) and that makes her long for simpler times. I don't see how that translates to her being unhappy in general. Marriage isn't always fun and roses. Doesn't mean you don't love your partner. Again, if Penny didn't wanna be married to Leonard, she wouldn't be.

....and at the wedding ceremony she included in her VOW (look up what the word vow means in regards to a marriage ceremony) that Leonard was the "love of my life".  These are words spoken in a ceremony that are not taken lightly.  I know this is an open forum and you can say what you like within the limitations of the rules and regulations (and I have done the wonderful thing of putting you on my "ignore" list---but I still get the notifications of your filthy Leonard degrading posts [my opinion] when others respond to you---), but vasu, your act is getting so old.  Watch an episode, let the world know how much of a weekling and unlikable you think Leonard is....gosh it is infuriating to me to read these things (and I realize that is exactly the response you are going for----sheesh...)

[No Regrets]

29 minutes ago, vasu said:

for your first part :

the moment she got another opportunity she went for it... ignoring what leonard said and even mocking him...... and then confesses the same to the doctor about how unhappy she is...

living with Sheldon was her idea.... and in the latest report ... she does not seem to have any problem with sheldon at all..... again penny married leonard because she was not able to make it as an actress..... 

You keep saying Penny says she's unhappy and again can't provide the quote (understandably, since it doesn't exist). 

Living with Sheldon was Penny's idea because she's a good friend, doesn't mean she's not frustrated by the situation. Penny and Leonard also go out on a fun date in an upcoming episode, but clearly that doesn't count and still somehow translates into her being unhappy. 

Also, Penny makes more money than Leonard, yet you're suggesting she only married him because she wasn't making millions of dollars as an actress. Doesn't make much sense.

I'm all for discussing, but not with someone who just makes empty claims without backing anything up. Ignore list it is.

Edited February 10, 2016 by No Regrets

[brilliantfool]

On 2/9/2016 at 9:18 AM, No Regrets said:

The only way anyone would get dislikes from me is if they'd insult real people. Otherwise, no. I see your POV

Well, maybe this explanation will help: he grew up with a mother who constantly belittled him, withheld love from him and basically treated him like a worthless experiment. When, in those formative years, would he have learned to develop any sort of confidence or strength as a person? It's a miracle he's as warm and loving as he is and not slowly rocking back and forth in a corner. Out of all the characters, Leonard gets the most respect from me. Yes, he messes up occasionally, but he's the most wonderful person and I don't understand how people don't just wanna hug him. 

Would I love it if he just told his mother - and Sheldon sometimes for that matter - to fuck off? Oh boy, would I. Hopefully - after a few sessions with Dr. Gallo - he'll get there.

I actually could've phrased what I said better. It's not that I don't understand how and why Leonard has become the way he has, ofc I do (although, in all fairness, not all children who get belittled by their parents grow up like that, many instead become rebels, leave home at 16, etc. But obviously there are many factors that contribute to one's personality and behavior) But that's not the point.
My original point was a reply to 3kull - he asked me why I prefer Sheldon to Leonard and i've explained why.

Idk about you, but for me, in tv, books, movies etc my fav characters almost always are the ones I can relate to, the ones i have a lot in common with. I have a lot in common with Sheldon both good and bad things. I don't share his quirks, but i share many of his personality traits. I have zero connection with Leonard in that sense.
So when I say I don't like Leonard, I mean that he's not one of my fav characters, cause I can't relate to him.
When I said 'why the hell can't he tell his mom and Sheldon to f**k off', i mostly meant that if he was the type to do that, I'd feel more connection to him, because for me it is physically impossible not to fight back, even at moments when for some practical or materialistic reasons it would be wiser not to.

What you said (bold), i completely agree with you and i've always felt for Leonard because of that. I've said many times how much I hate Beverly. Monica's mom from FRIENDS seems actually warm comparing to her. I mean she was a bitch, but she wasn't that cold and lifeless.

I will actually even agree that out of all characters he deserves the most respect from me as well - about how he treats others. But he doesn't have the same respect, patience and love towards himself. That's why I can't look up to him or associate with him. Doesn't mean i hate him or people like him.

It's just not who i am and not who i wanna be.

I actually have 2 close friends with the personality similar to Leonard's, sweet, not liking fights and occasionally letting people take them for granted (but not to Leonard's extent : ( ). They are amazing people and great friends, always warm and supportive.

Funny, one of them liked TBBT, but has stopped watching a few seasons in cause she couldn't stand Sheldon anymore, LOL

Edited February 10, 2016 by brilliantfool

[3ku11]

If Penny was unhappy she would of said so. With Leonard. Shes unhappy with her current situation not Leonard. This whole thing is lack of set boundaries. Sheldon interrupting Penny while in shower, her telling him to get lost. Paying a toll for Toilet Paper. Penny being nice and consoling Sheldon in the bathroom. One track mind. Being a good sister. These things keep happening as Lenny live in such close quarters. With Sheldon. Dynamics changed S and P are friends now. Its nott Frenimoes, its not antagonists. Like Penny Said your one of my fav ppl now. As over the years shes gotten used to him haha. But now shes married the dynamic has become contrived. And thats why I think it was wrong. Its not s3. Amy should be doing ThAt.

[Squonk]

On 2-2-2016 at 4:20 PM, wowbagger said:

On 28-1-2016 at 10:53 PM, nibbler747 said:

9 hours ago, boys3allc said:

Okay so I am the biggest Shenny hater out there... I don't even like their "cute". Friendship it grosses me out /pisses me off. 

Yet... I was cool with this part because of what it means in my head. Leonard and Amy are fighting over who knows/loves him more. Penny is like "okay ya'll we are'nt getting into this at his b-day party." Penny is the only one with out a bone in the fight her mission is not this prove "Sheldon loves me more ,Haha I know him best". It is a pure retrieval mission.

to me this points at the conversation of Leonard letting Sheldon go is coming. Yes Leonard used to be the only one who cared for him/understood him. Now Amy is back and her connection to Sheldon is more intimate and deeper than ever before. so perhaps he can let the woman who has seen him pantsless be there for him.

Friendship grosses you out?

Never mind.

 

 

[JE7]

 

Have any of the disappointed people actually seen the episode?

 

Have you actually just asked a silly question? Only yhe studio audience have seen it and admittedly not in its final form. We do have the tr's and are discussing them if we only discuss airwd episodes this be a much shorter and hinestly more boring thread

Edited February 10, 2016 by JE7
I screwed up big time

[No Regrets]

3 minutes ago, brilliantfool said:

I actually could've phrased what I said better. It's not that I don't understand how and why Leonard has become the way he has, ofc I do (although, in all fairness, not all children who get belittled by their parents grow up like that, many instead become rebels, leave home at 16, etc. But obviously there are many factors that contribute to one's personality and behavior) But that's not the point.
My original point was a reply to 3kull - he asked me why I prefer Sheldon to Leonard and i've explained why.

Idk about you, but for me, in tv, books, movies etc my fav characters almost always are the ones I can relate to, the ones i have a lot in common with. I have a lot in common with Sheldon both good and bad things. I don't share his quirks, but i share many of his personality traits. I have zero connection with Leonard in that sense.
So when I say I don't like Leonard, I mean that he's not one of my fav characters, cause I can't relate to him.
When I said 'why the hell can't he tell his mom and Sheldon to f**k off', i mostly meant that if he was the type to do that, I'd feel more connection to him, because for me it is physically impossible not to fight back, even at moments when for some practical or materialistic reasons it would wiser not to.

What you said (bold), i completely agree with you and i've always felt for Leonard because of that. I've said many times how much I hate Beverly. Monica's mom from FRIENDS seems actually warm comparing to her. I mean she was a bitch, but she wasn't that cold and lifeless.

I will actually even agree that out of all characters he deserves the most respect from me as well - about how he treats others. But he doesn't have the same respect, patience and love towards himself. That's why I can't look up to him or associate with him. Doesn't mean i hate him or people like him.

It's just not who i am and not who i wanna be.

I actually have 2 close friends with the personality similar to Leonard's, sweet, not liking fights and occasionally letting people take them for granted (but not to Leonard's extent : ( ). They are amazing people and great friends, always warm and supportive.

Funny, one of them liked TBBT, but has stopped watching a few seasons in cause she couldn't stand Sheldon's anymore, LOL

Perfect explanation and I understand what you meant now. I can't really relate to Leonard in terms of his inability to stand up for himself more often than he should either, but because of where it's coming from I just can't help but root for the guy. And I always judge people by how they treat others. I always try to treat people the way I wanna be treated, that's my goal in life. And I think apart from a few exceptions, Leonard has always been incredibly kind to those around him. I definitely look up to that.

[vasu]

 

....and at the wedding ceremony she included in her VOW (look up what the word vow means in regards to a marriage ceremony) that Leonard was the "love of my life".  These are words spoken in a ceremony that are not taken lightly.  I know this is an open forum and you can say what you like within the limitations of the rules and regulations (and I have done the wonderful thing of putting you on my "ignore" list---but I still get the notifications of your filthy Leonard degrading posts [my opinion] when others respond to you---), but vasu, your act is getting so old.  Watch an episode, let the world know how much of a weekling and unlikable you think Leonard is....gosh it is infuriating to me to read these things (and I realize that is exactly the response you are going for----sheesh...)

I am sorry that you cannot ignore my posts....cause u see them when someone else quotes me....

but I cannot resolve the issue ... 

the love of life and best friends comment thought... she could remember his birthday..... not a fault...but she could not remember only leonard's birthday... she quite clearly knew when sheldon and amy's birthday was....

 

You keep saying Penny says she's unhappy and again can't provide the quote (understandably, since it doesn't exist). 

Living with Sheldon was Penny's idea because she's a good friend, doesn't mean she's not frustrated by the situation. Penny and Leonard also go out on a fun date in an upcoming episode, but clearly that doesn't count and still somehow translates into her being unhappy. 

Also, Penny makes more money than Leonard, yet you're suggesting she only married him because she wasn't making millions of dollars as an actress. Doesn't make much sense.

I'm all for discussing, but not with someone who just makes empty claims without backing anything up. Ignore list it is.

there is no need for quotes... the looks and expression on penny's face when she was at the doctors place say it all.....

I never said penny married leonard for money..... I said penny married because she failed as an actress.... completely different things.......

Edited February 10, 2016 by vasu