3ku11 Posted February 17, 2016 Posted February 17, 2016 3 minutes ago, Tensor said: Not to mention Sheldon's error in the superheavy, which Leonard showed to be wrong. Leonard's work with Steven Hawking, and while Sheldon is the co-author of the paper that's making the rounds, Leonard is the other author. Leonard may get tenure simply. As hes liked more then Sheldon lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Von Brainstorm Posted February 17, 2016 Posted February 17, 2016 Does anyone think that this is an actual clue maybe? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonstar17 Posted February 17, 2016 Posted February 17, 2016 If they applied for it at the time then I don't think there would be a problem if they got it a few years later. There can be exceptions to the rule and especially ig Sheldon is on his way there then it will happen eventually. I have to disagree no one took Sheldon's class, the students have been shown to hate his lectures (loved those tweets) and he does not work well with others (many instances shown) I think he would not be a prime choice for tenure ^^^ But you're forgetting this is TSS and tptb do not follow the rules. No one is worthy but the almighty ruler. It would be funny if Sheldon gets Tenure. (NOT... ) it wouldn't make sense but tptb do not care about that. It's all about the $$$$. Sent from my SM-G928F using Tapatalk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
2L344 Posted February 17, 2016 Posted February 17, 2016 1 minute ago, Einstein Von Brainstorm said: Does anyone think that this is an actual clue maybe? I thought so too, but what kind? Phony smiles about something or actual thing to smile about lol? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judith Posted February 17, 2016 Posted February 17, 2016 33 minutes ago, JE7 said: I have to disagree no one took Sheldon's class, the students have been shown to hate his lectures (loved those tweets) and he does not work well with others (many instances shown) I think he would not be a prime choice for tenure I don't think tenure suits Sheldon for some of the reasond you mentioned but the University has been willing to put ul with his quirks and his behaviour (wether it's deliberate or not) so I don't see why they would want to pass up the opportunity to have one of the greatest minds of the century teach their students... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_90's_generation Posted February 17, 2016 Posted February 17, 2016 7 minutes ago, Einstein Von Brainstorm said: Does anyone think that this is an actual clue maybe? U never know with them lol i dont even try to guess anymore, just let them impress me :d Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Von Brainstorm Posted February 17, 2016 Posted February 17, 2016 8 minutes ago, 2L344 said: I thought so too, but what kind? Phony smiles about something or actual thing to smile about lol? Or actual drop_bears! 5 minutes ago, Judith said: I don't think tenure suits Sheldon for some of the reasond you mentioned but the University has been willing to put ul with his quirks and his behaviour (wether it's deliberate or not) so I don't see why they would want to pass up the opportunity to have one of the greatest minds of the century teach their students... He already is teaching though, they can keep him as an educator without giving him Tenure Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
3ku11 Posted February 17, 2016 Posted February 17, 2016 6 minutes ago, Judith said: I don't think tenure suits Sheldon for some of the reasond you mentioned but the University has been willing to put ul with his quirks and his behaviour (wether it's deliberate or not) so I don't see why they would want to pass up the opportunity to have one of the greatest minds of the century teach their students... Sheldon having one of the greatest minds of the century. Hasent been proven. I dont see how hes up their with say Hawking. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonstar17 Posted February 17, 2016 Posted February 17, 2016 I have to disagree no one took Sheldon's class, the students have been shown to hate his lectures (loved those tweets) and he does not work well with others (many instances shown) I think he would not be a prime choice for tenure I don't think tenure suits Sheldon for some of the reasond you mentioned but the University has been willing to put ul with his quirks and his behaviour (wether it's deliberate or not) so I don't see why they would want to pass up the opportunity to have one of the greatest minds of the century teach their students... Of tptb world. Not real and in the real world he would have been fired a long time ago. Greatest mind or not, he can't get away with his behaviour at a work environment in this day and age. Also no students to teach. like you said, his quirks and all. What is the point? Sent from my SM-G928F using Tapatalk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JE7 Posted February 17, 2016 Posted February 17, 2016 Because the students don't want to be taught by him, simply put Sheldon is a lousy teacher I can see them keeping him on as a researcher till he decided to retire but not as a teacher. It's just not in him personality wise to teach. Leonard on the other hand lectures, works with grad students, works and plays well with others, has been on two expeditions one for Hawking, publishes regularly, works in the schools interest in getting donations. Raj besides the people write up has no pros and a lot of cons. Barry we really don't have much info but his attitude toward women (students or coworkers) is a definite con. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judith Posted February 18, 2016 Posted February 18, 2016 15 minutes ago, 3ku11 said: Sheldon having one of the greatest minds of the century. Hasent been proven. I dont see how hes up their with say Hawking. He has 187 IQ though...how else can you prove that? And why compare him with Hawking? One is real, one is not...And they are in different places in their careers... 15 minutes ago, Tonstar17 said: I don't think tenure suits Sheldon for some of the reasond you mentioned but the University has been willing to put ul with his quirks and his behaviour (wether it's deliberate or not) so I don't see why they would want to pass up the opportunity to have one of the greatest minds of the century teach their students... Of tptb world. Not real and no students to teach. like you said, his quirks and all. What is the point? Sent from my SM-G928F using Tapatalk Obvioudly we're talking about TPTB's world. They call the shots...Like I said, maybe since they have been putting up with him until now for their reasons they will find a reason (his mind and his knowledge) to offer him tenure...or maybe they will do what EvB said... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
April Posted February 18, 2016 Posted February 18, 2016 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Judith said: I don't think tenure suits Sheldon for some of the reasond you mentioned but the University has been willing to put ul with his quirks and his behaviour (wether it's deliberate or not) so I don't see why they would want to pass up the opportunity to have one of the greatest minds of the century teach their students... 27 minutes ago, Einstein Von Brainstorm said: He already is teaching though, they can keep him as an educator without giving him Tenure 17 minutes ago, JE7 said: Because the students don't want to be taught by him, simply put Sheldon is a lousy teacher I can see them keeping him on as a researcher till he decided to retire but not as a teacher. It's just not in him personality wise to teach. Sheldon has the proverbial foot in the door with his current position but I think for him to get tenure it would mean that he needs to get his shit together and really work on becoming a good teacher. For what it's worth, the writers could cobble up a story line based on this premise - after all he's happily embracing his personal growth now, so who knows where the road will take him. But I agree that they could do that kind of storyline just as well with Leonard by giving him a position that puts him onto the tenure track. I don't know how much he's actually teaching now - I know he's giving lectures ever so often (sometimes with Sheldon) but otherwise...??? Seeing him embracing such a position could be a great story for him. Edited February 18, 2016 by April Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Von Brainstorm Posted February 18, 2016 Posted February 18, 2016 1 minute ago, Judith said: He has 187 IQ though...how else can you prove that? And why compare him with Hawking? One is real, one is not...And they are in different places in their careers... Obvioudly we're talking about TPTB's world. They call the shots...Like I said, maybe since they have been putting up with him until now for their reasons they will find a reason (his mind and his knowledge) to offer him tenure...or maybe they will do what EvB said... If you're looking for a comparison Hawking's IQ is rumoured to be 160, but like you said they are in different places in their careers If the guys had all spent less time being distracted by the girls (as Sheldon put it) and their hobbies (as it turned out was the truth!) then maybe they would be on track to get early Tenure Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JE7 Posted February 18, 2016 Posted February 18, 2016 We don't know if Sheldon is still trying to teach, since no one took his class except Howard who I doubt stayed since he did it to be nice and was treated like crap for his effort they may well have cancelled it. It hasent been mentioned since. That would be another con in the Sheldon column. But yall are right reality matters not in the TBBT universe Just in comparison I have a 130 and did nothing spectacular with it so IQ alone means very little and anything above 160 is highly suspect just due to the way it is measured and the sample size at those ranges Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Von Brainstorm Posted February 18, 2016 Posted February 18, 2016 12 minutes ago, April said: Sheldon has the proverbial foot in the door with his current position but I think for him to get tenure it would mean that he needs to get his shit together and really work on becoming a good teacher. For what it's worth, the writers could cobble up a story line based on this premise - after all he's happily embracing his personal growth now, so who knows where the road will take him. But I agree that they could do that kind of storyline just as well with Leonard by giving him a position that puts him onto the tenure track. I don't know how much he's actually teaching now - I know he's giving lectures ever so often (sometimes with Sheldon) but otherwise...??? Seeing him embracing such a position could be a great story for him. I was under the impression when Sheldon and Leonard were giving lectures that they were sort of one off 'guest speaker' events, not regular class teaching lectures like we have in the UK, Am I wrong there? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRAM Posted February 18, 2016 Posted February 18, 2016 I guess which is funnier will be picked, will Sheldon be funny lording over everyone that he got tenure, rubbing it in to them all, or will it be funnier for someone else to get it and Sheldon carrying about no one is more worthy that him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judith Posted February 18, 2016 Posted February 18, 2016 13 minutes ago, Einstein Von Brainstorm said: If you're looking for a comparison Hawking's IQ is rumoured to be 160, but like you said they are in different places in their careers If the guys had all spent less time being distracted by the girls (as Sheldon put it) and their hobbies (as it turned out was the truth!) then maybe they would be on track to get early Tenure Honestly, sometimes I wonder how Sheldon hasn't combusted on the spot with all that brain power . And as for the guys being distracted...maybe someone needs to...discipline them? But seriously, for people who are supposedly very serious about what they do - and they'd have to be - they spend an awful lot of time...not doing it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JE7 Posted February 18, 2016 Posted February 18, 2016 8 minutes ago, Einstein Von Brainstorm said: I was under the impression when Sheldon and Leonard were giving lectures that they were sort of one off 'guest speaker' events, not regular class teaching lectures like we have in the UK, Am I wrong there? They were guest lectures whenna class touches on their field of expertise they come in and talk about it, it is done on a pretty regular basis. But your right they were not the professor teaching the overall class Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kazzie Posted February 18, 2016 Posted February 18, 2016 Steve is getting me excited Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JE7 Posted February 18, 2016 Posted February 18, 2016 2 minutes ago, Judith said: Honestly, sometimes I wonder how Sheldon hasn't combusted on the spot with all that brain power . And as for the guys being distracted...maybe someone needs to...discipline them? But seriously, for people who are supposedly very serious about what they do - and they'd have to be - they spend an awful lot of time...not doing it. Wow Judith has a naughty side LOL Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vonmar Posted February 18, 2016 Posted February 18, 2016 (edited) From what I've read, at a research university like Caltech, the teaching component carries very little weight in the tenure process. Researchers like Sheldon and Leonard would not be encourage to teach much as that takes away from time spent doing actual research. Prestige and grant money come from research results, not teaching results. As far as we know, Sheldon has only been on one research expedition, to the Arctic...where his results were tampered with and he was publicly humiliated. Leonard came up with the idea for the super fluid concept...Sheldon did all the math and wrote the paper. The paper was submitted on Sheldon's insistence. Leonard was reluctant to move forward. There are other examples. Both candidates have strong pros and cons. Edited February 18, 2016 by vonmar Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonstar17 Posted February 18, 2016 Posted February 18, 2016 Well a least if Sheldon gets Tenure Amy will be proud of him and tell him. Not so sure about Penny if Leonard gets it. Not enough time in 20 mins for her to tell him. Sent from my SM-G928F using Tapatalk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tensor Posted February 18, 2016 Posted February 18, 2016 And Leonard has an IQ of 173, the error bars for IQ tests at those scores are big enough that it is entirely possible that Leonard's IQ is greater than Sheldon's. Hawking is considered one of the greatest minds of his generation, what's wrong with comparing him and with someone who is being called "one of the greatest minds of the century"?. If you want to compare them at the same points in their career, at this point (I'm assuming Sheldon is 35, Hawking had made all of his major discoveries. Any of his proposals after this point in his career, were shown to be wrong (Black hole information paradox, The arrow of time from the no boundary hypothesis, the Hartle-Hawking state's closed universe among others). This is very common with Theoretical Physicists. Most make no discoveries after the age of 30. Experimental Physicist can last to 40, Biological and non-physical scientist can put it off to their late 40s. If all were talking about is TPTB's world, then there is no reason to consider or discuss any of this. What the show has shown is that Sheldon's solo research has produced nothing, in fact, he made a rather large error, that was shown to be wrong. He doesn't get along with many of his colleagues, he doesn't like raising money for his department or the university, he either has no students show up for his class, or the student mock him publicly, not someone likely to get tenure. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judith Posted February 18, 2016 Posted February 18, 2016 4 minutes ago, JE7 said: Wow Judith has a naughty side LOL ...well, I was talking about their girlfriends disciplining them so...lol? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonstar17 Posted February 18, 2016 Posted February 18, 2016 Steve is getting me excited What's cooking K. Spill ☺ Sent from my SM-G928F using Tapatalk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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