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20 minutes ago, Tonstar17 said:

 

I blame Penny. I do too bad Penny.

Me too. Bad Penny. Lol

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Why are we blaming penny again? who cares penny’s fault ☺

Well Penny distracted the guys from their work. And then Amy and Bernadette.

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5 hours ago, Judith said:

I don't know about all for of them, maybd they will give another chance to Howard to go to space, I can't imagine him as a ptofessor since what he does is more hands on...For Raj I don't know, but I'm sure that if Sheldon gets tenure, Leonard will too. Or maybe Sheldon will reject it because IIRC he wasn't into it in thr first place...It would be a nice twist if Leonard got tenire and Sheldon decided that he didn't want to be "tied down to a desk" teaching pesky students instead of continuing his discovering of the universe's secrets (paraphrasing Sheldon).

Sorry about all the typos but it won't let me delete anything...

I don't know exactly how long it takes for people to get tenure after they apply for it. As far as I know TBBT has shown that Leonard, Sheldon Raj and Kripke did. Presumably there are more candidates. I'd think that Sheldon would be the least likely to get it because he changed his field of study after that... Who knows...

5 hours ago, Judith said:

I don't think tenure suits Sheldon for some of the reasond you mentioned but the University has been willing to put ul with his quirks and his behaviour (wether it's deliberate or not) so I don't see why they would want to pass up the opportunity to have one of the greatest minds of the century teach their students...

Well, for starters because it has been shown in the show that he's not very good at teaching. You have also mentioned the possibility of all three getting tenure. Correct me if I'm wrong, but  wasn't there just one tenure vacancy available?

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4 hours ago, vonmar said:

From what I've read, at a research university like Caltech, the teaching component carries very little weight in the tenure process.  Researchers like Sheldon and Leonard would not be encourage to teach much as that takes away from time spent doing actual research.  Prestige and grant money come from research results, not teaching results.

As far as we know, Sheldon has only been on one research expedition, to the Arctic...where his results were tampered with and he was publicly humiliated.

Leonard came up with the idea for the super fluid concept...Sheldon did all the math and wrote the paper. The paper was submitted on Sheldon's insistence.  Leonard was reluctant to move forward. 

There are other examples. Both candidates have strong pros and cons.   

I think there are 2 things that you haven't mentioned:

1) Sheldon changed his field of study after applying for tenure.

2) Sheldon was disproven by Leonard about the new element he had supposedly discovered.

I don't know how much weight these 2 instances carry, but I'd think they'd be considered as well.

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15 minutes ago, Carlos said:

I think there are 2 things that you haven't mentioned:

1) Sheldon changed his field of study after applying for tenure.

2) Sheldon was disproven by Leonard about the new element he had supposedly discovered.

I don't know how much weight these 2 instances carry, but I'd think they'd be considered as well.

I said that their were other examples.

Yes, Leonard disproved Sheldon's element theory, I believe that Sheldon insisted that he publish his results.

Sheldon never sabotaged Leonard's work. 

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True not the guys fault Sheldon chose to announce his 'discovery" before they had even been back to the university much less checked the data. Leonard mentioned after the Hawking expedition that they were still going over the data. Mistakes can and often are made in the field just due to the working conditions

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13 minutes ago, Tensor said:

Well, he only insisted on something Leonard was going to do anyway.  

Leonard never sabotaged Sheldon's either.  

The Electric Can Opener Fluctuation ....they tampered with the experiment..

Sheldon: You tampered with my experiment?

Howard: We had to.

Raj: It was the only way to keep you from being a huge Dickensian. You see that? I added the ensian.

Sheldon: Did Leonard know about this? Leonard is my best friend in the world. Surely Leonard didn't know.

Howard: Actually, it was his idea.

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Tampered is not sabotaged.   Driving your subordinates to such measures, to keep you calm, because your experiment is not finding the evidence you want it to find, is hardly the mark of someone who was supposed to be leading the expedition.    Not to mention Sheldon brought it on himself as if he would have followed proper scientific procedure and rigorously checked the data before announcing, there wouldn't have been a problem.  

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But they kept the legit data, again Sheldon believed in his infallibility so much he announced before checking his results if he had waited till they returned to the university to check and confirm the data there would have been no retraction necessary he did it to himself

And it's not the only time Sheldon was wrong and jumped the gun without thoroughly checking his data. The new element, the paper he presented to Hawking are two more examples. He simply dosent believe he can be wrong even after multiple times he has been

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To be fair, TBBT in general doesn't represent in a very realistic way how research has to be done. The guys buying Helium on the black market, Howard stealing the Robot arm or using the Mars Rover to hook up with girls (just to name a few examples) are unrealistic situations.  Moreover, as many posters have said, before announcing a discovery (like the North Pole expedition or the heavy element) one should double-check the data; but, in the same way, a coauthor should read carefully  a paper before accepting to submit it (albeit to an open access digital archive). BTW, it is also highly unrealistic (even with a 187 IQ)  to do all the math and  to write the said paper about a completely new theory  in such a way it's ready for publication overnight. I think the writers have necessarily to skip normal security and double-checking procedures, just for having fun episodes. 

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Given that Sheldon just changed his area of focus and he is no longer doing the research the university brought him on for in the beginning I'd doubt he would be the one to get tenure at this point. I'd think it is going to Leonard (if it's being handed out). 

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4 hours ago, Tensor said:

Tampered is not sabotaged.   Driving your subordinates to such measures, to keep you calm, because your experiment is not finding the evidence you want it to find, is hardly the mark of someone who was supposed to be leading the expedition.    Not to mention Sheldon brought it on himself as if he would have followed proper scientific procedure and rigorously checked the data before announcing, there wouldn't have been a problem.  

That is true, but considering how much research money an expedition to the Arctic probably costs, I have a very hard time believing that people who knowingly tampered with the results because "our expedition leader is a dick" would still be working in that university, considering how much it could damage the reputation of said university that their scientists treat the money they are being trusted with in that manner. Sheldon's behaviour was also wrong, but his hubris is small potatoes compared to what the three did on purpose (and I would consider it a form of sabotage).

That said, TBBT is a comedy show, so I let stuff like that slide. As @mirs1 mentioned, they don't exactly go about it in a realistic manner. I think tenure will be distributed in the same way, i.e. whose having tenure leads to the funniest stories. It could go to Raj's head if he unexpectedly gets it, or Leonard could get it and make Sheldon jealous, or Sheldon gets it and becomes ever more insufferable (although he already thinks he's the smartest, so that wouldn't really change the dynamic).

Edit: I do want to add that I don't think Sheldon should be in charge of any research teams. Ever.

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My guess für 9x18: The Application Estimation

(I hope it hasn't been mentioned already, I haven't read all the recent posts.)

A nice group episode with different plotlines, dealing with multiple meanings of application:

- Howard's app (although I haven't understood their financial problems with Bernie making "a buttload of money" as she said so herself after being headhunted by that pharmaceutical company, and they're not even paying rent anymore)

- Emily applying for a new job position, perhaps there's also a nice cadaver lab at Caltech so she can cut up more people to let out her frustrations over Raj, also resulting in running into him more often then if she decides to work there (they have to do something with her when she was recently listed as a recurring character or however it was called?)

- Amy applying for a new apartment as her lease runs out, but Penny tells Sheldon about it who then intercepts all her letters and writes her a letter of acceptance for moving into 4A instead so that Lenny can finally happily move over to 4B

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8 hours ago, nibbler747 said:

Maybe it's Amy who gets tenure first. 

And before everyone goes and tells me I'm wrong, yes I know she hasn't been there as long as the guys.  Lol.

She's still there.  I guess she took on a permanent position

It could easily happen. She works in a different field with respect to the guys, so if a position becomes available in her own research department, why not? She won't be competing with the boys for it, consequently it doesn't matter that she hasn't worked at Calthec as long as any of them.

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4 hours ago, Tensor said:

Tampered is not sabotaged.   Driving your subordinates to such measures, to keep you calm, because your experiment is not finding the evidence you want it to find, is hardly the mark of someone who was supposed to be leading the expedition.    Not to mention Sheldon brought it on himself as if he would have followed proper scientific procedure and rigorously checked the data before announcing, there wouldn't have been a problem.  

Not sure can it just be classified as tampering, but even if it is that and nothing else, that doesn't make it much better, because they did mess with the experiment when they shouldn't have, which provided the false findings. They kept the original data, but since the whole experiment was tampered with, that doesn't mean much. For all we know, there could have been some crucial things detected later on, that got compromised by those false signals. Even if Sheldon had waited for the right time to publish the result, the end result would have still been three months of an expensive research gone to the wind, so to say. They couldn't even tell for sure that they didn't find anything, due to the tampering. I do think that Sheldon was very difficult to deal with, but that doesn't absolve the guys of the blame, neither does it make Sheldon completely innocent. Every coin has two sides.

4 hours ago, JE7 said:

But they kept the legit data, again Sheldon believed in his infallibility so much he announced before checking his results if he had waited till they returned to the university to check and confirm the data there would have been no retraction necessary he did it to himself

And it's not the only time Sheldon was wrong and jumped the gun without thoroughly checking his data. The new element, the paper he presented to Hawking are two more examples. He simply dosent believe he can be wrong even after multiple times he has been

Every character on the show has been wrong about something multiple times. There was no apparent evidence of data being tampered.

For other "points", see my previous reply.

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4 minutes ago, Mislav said:

Not sure can it just be classified as tampering, but even if it is that and nothing else, that doesn't make it much better, because they did mess with the experiment when they shouldn't have, which provided the false findings. They kept the original data, but since the whole experiment was tampered with, that doesn't mean much. For all we know, there could have been some crucial things detected later on, that got compromised by those false signals. Even if Sheldon had waited for the right time to publish the result, the end result would have still been three months of an expensive research gone to the wind, so to say. They couldn't even tell for sure that they didn't find anything, due to the tampering. I do think that Sheldon was very difficult to deal with, but that doesn't absolve the guys of the blame, neither does it make Sheldon completely innocent. Every coin has two sides.

Every character on the show has been wrong about something multiple times. There was no apparent evidence of data being tampered.

For other "points", see my previous reply.

Mislav, 

If they say they  the data, let's assume they kept the data. The show did not say they tampered with the data. And no one has found monopoles yet, as far as I understand. So Sheldon has not been deprived of anything.

cheers 

Nog.

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Nogravitasatall said:

Mislav, 

If they say they  the data, let's assume they kept the data. The show did not say they tampered with the data. And no one has found monopoles yet, as far as I understand. So Sheldon has not been deprived of anything.

cheers 

Nog.

 

 

The point was that they had tampered with the results, therefore any finding couldn't have been credible. I may not know for sure how much it effected the data (that is related to those findings, that were tampered with, mind you) but neither do you. One way or another, they compromised the experiment.

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