[Spoilers] Discussion Topic: Season 9

[veejay]

24 minutes ago, No Regrets said:

Great. As if we didn't have enough threats to worry about. ................

..................... much more.

In the past I've liked Penny and Sheldon showing compassion toward each other (not necessarily understanding each other, but making the attempt) and Penny often "gets" Sheldon in a way no one else does.

A reminder of Season 7 - The Anything Can Happen Recurrence

Leonard: Ah, it's Penny.
Amy: Is she still mad?
Leonard: Oh, doesn't seem like it. She got Sheldon to go to a psychic with her.
Amy: A psychic? He considers them not just mumbo jumbo, but extra-jumbo mumbo jumbo.
Leonard: Well, Penny can be pretty persuasive. She's gotten me to do a lot of things I wouldn't normally do.
Amy: Because she has sex with you.
Leonard: Yeah, she does.
Amy: Can I confess something? Once in a while, I get a little jealous of how close Penny and Sheldon are.
Leonard: Really?
Amy: I mean, not in a romantic way. It's just, she really has some sort of connection with him.
Leonard: Well Well, they've known each other a long time, and Penny grew up around horses, so she knows how to approach him without making him skittish.
Amy: Don't get me wrong. I'm glad they're friends. I just wish he'd be that comfortable around me already.
Leonard: Well, it took him a long time to get comfortable around me, too.

Edited February 19, 2016 by veejay

[mirs1]

A recap of the episode and, more important, a confirmation that on Saturday night there will be a celebratory party for the 200th episode...Can't wait for videos, photos, articles and all the goodies coming our way!!

http://www.glamour.com/entertainment/blogs/obsessed/2016/02/how-the-big-bang-theorys-baby

 

 

Edited February 19, 2016 by mirs1

[Einstein Von Brainstorm]

43 minutes ago, No Regrets said:

Great. As if we didn't have enough threats to worry about. 

Honestly, though.

I've tried to imagine romantic Shenny many times and each time it gave me a good chuckle. No offense to their fans or anything since they're obviously entitled to their opinions, but I just cannot see it. All I see is two people who - after 9 years of friendship - have finally managed to accept each others flaws and quirks and like each other as people, which... is kinda what should happen after 9 years of friendship, no? If they still pissed each other off like they did in S1-3, that wouldn't make much sense and it'd make me wonder why they would bother hanging out in the first place. I think their relationship is very simple, because they expect absolutely nothing from one another. 

The one thing that makes the Shenny ship sink to the bottom of the ocean for me, is the simple fact that both Penny and Sheldon have said that they see each other as brother and sister. And Sheldon is Penny (and Leonard's) dog, too, apparently. It doesn't get more asexual than that.

One might argue that both Penny and Bernadette have - out of frustration - referred to themselves as moms to their husbands, but the very, very big difference is: they don't like filling those roles. They wanna be Leonard and Howard's wives, not mothers. Penny was insanely frustrated when she felt Leonard was pushing her into the mom role. In contrast, Penny and Sheldon are comfortable viewing each other as brother and sister. They like the roles they play in each other's lives and they sure as hell don't mind that it's not a sexual relationship. They simply don't want it. They already have life partners for that and much, much more.

 

I'ma just leave this one here:

[jenafan]

11 hours ago, JE7 said:

How was it no one's fault??? Sheldon new Penny was naked in the shower he went in anyway, how was it anyone fault but his? And I don't lock my bathroom door because the people in my house know it's common courtesy not to come in while I am bathing it's not that hard a concept to grasp, even for Sheldon.

What would you be saying if it was Leonard and Amy instead? You would be screaming bloody murder about what a pervert Leonard is and you know it

It is possible Sheldon did his three knock and Penny let him in to pee, not knowing he was on his apology pitch.

I think Penny was more annoyed about his reason for being in the bathroom and unwillingness to wait for her to finish her shower for his apology than him actually being in there.

Sheldon does not respect boundaries, but neither does Penny.  She walked into Sheldon's room workout knocking to grab his keyboard from him.  He could have been naked.  

They are both guilty.  To me,  it just goes to show how platonically comfortable they are with each other.  I see no perversion here.  Sheldon is no threat to Penny. 

I have a bigger problem with Penny drawing on Sheldon's face without cause.

[hokie3457]

3 minutes ago, jenafan said:

It is possible Sheldon did his three knock and Penny let him in to pee, not knowing he was on his apology pitch.

I think Penny was more annoyed about his reason for being in the bathroom and unwillingness to wait for her to finish her shower for his apology than him actually being in there.

Sheldon does not respect boundaries, but neither does Penny.  She walked into Sheldon's room workout knocking to grab his keyboard from him.  He could have been naked.  

They are both guilty.  To me,  it just goes to show how platonically comfortable they are with each other.  I see no perversion here.  Sheldon is no threat to Penny. 

I have a bigger problem with Penny drawing on Sheldon's face without cause.

Yikes! Disagree.  When you are showering, you expect a modicum of privacy.  When Penny took the keyboard away from him, it was in the wee small hours of the morning.  He was disturbing the sleep of two people in an unreasonable manner.  By sharing his music with others, he gave up his expectation of privacy (all my very, very humble opinion).  Now I will give you the face drawing as an invasion of Dr. Cooper's personal space, but I found it hilarious. Again, my personal opinion, I realize many, many others will disagree with me.

[SRAM]

25 minutes ago, Einstein Von Brainstorm said:

 

I'ma just leave this one here:

Yeah and the marriage was the nails in that coffin, but some will continue to beat that dead horse.

Also isn't Raj a bigger threat than Sheldon, she has hugged and kissed his cheek before, gone out on a date with him, slept with him and has said he is cute, many of those she has never done with Sheldon or Howard.  As a matter of fact she hasn't done much more with Sheldon than she has done with Howard, she has punched them both and told them both that they have no chance with her.  I think Raj is the one to watch out for, we all know he has no scruples when it comes to his friends girlfriends/wives.

[Judith]

11 hours ago, Nogravitasatall said:

Breaking the premise might be like leaving Gilligan's island. Both shows are defined by geography. If Leonard moves across the hall, what's to keep him from moving across town. A capable Sheldon isn't someone who needs the other two leads. Show over, like if the castaways were rescued.

I don't think Leonard and Penny are ready to move out of the building. Even though I called the whole situation weird ( because it is)I think that for them moving across the whole might be an issue and that is why they are still with Sheldon. Just like it would be an issue for them to completely move out of the building. Remember, Leonard couldn'g even decide what to eat on his own without Sheldon. If the writers weren't so stuck on keeping the status quo they could move them across the hall and keep them there for a couple more years, when they would feel ready to start a family and by extention ready to buy a house.

[Soopysue]

18 hours ago, 3ku11 said:

Honestly a hug is sexual? Lol. Wow. Theirs nothing wrong with this 2 sec hug. Penny's known ThE guy nine years. Looks like a normal hug. Penny is affectionate. Was it wrong when Sheldon hugged LeonRd in the same way. Its Penny shes very maternal. It looks warm and affectionate. Honestly.

Agree, it looks like a hug you'd give a friend or relative . Penny is a tactile person . 

Your partner you'd hug standing much closer , ie feet nearer and therefore other parts too !! . 

This is a non sexual , hug to convey affection for someone but not sexual attraction IMO 

[2L344]

2 hours ago, Einstein Von Brainstorm said:

Can't believe this from last nights episode! 

The audacity of two married people hugging  ... in front of their spouses too! 

After all the times Howard tried to get into Pennys pants too!  

#HennyForLife

How naughty of you to have caught that and posted lol! 

[jenafan]

31 minutes ago, hokie3457 said:

Yikes! Disagree.  When you are showering, you expect a modicum of privacy.  When Penny took the keyboard away from him, it was in the wee small hours of the morning.  He was disturbing the sleep of two people in an unreasonable manner.  By sharing his music with others, he gave up his expectation of privacy (all my very, very humble opinion).  Now I will give you the face drawing as an invasion of Dr. Cooper's personal space, but I found it hilarious. Again, my personal opinion, I realize many, many others will disagree with me.

All I am saying is Penny didn't knock first.  She just walked in like he was a child.   Yes,  Sheldon was being a pain, but he is still an adult man.  

As an adult, Sheldon should know better than to be in the bathroom with Penny in the shower.   I do not disagree.   Sheldon invaded her space.

Both are guilty of disrespectful behavior.  Penny sees and treats Sheldon like a child.  Sheldon acts like a child.   They perpetuate each others' behavior.  Penny by enabling and Sheldon by acting according to what is expected/allowed by perception.

[2L344]

56 minutes ago, jenafan said:

It is possible Sheldon did his three knock and Penny let him in to pee, not knowing he was on his apology pitch.

I think Penny was more annoyed about his reason for being in the bathroom and unwillingness to wait for her to finish her shower for his apology than him actually being in there.

Sheldon does not respect boundaries, but neither does Penny.  She walked into Sheldon's room workout knocking to grab his keyboard from him.  He could have beenThey are both guilty.  To me,  it just goes to show how platonically comfortable they are with each other.  I see no perversion here.  Sheldon is no threat to Penny. 

I have a bigger problem with Penny drawing on Sheldon's face without cause.

It had to be her, between Penny and Leonard she's the only one who has the gumption to do it lol! A drunk and passed out buddy, ESPECIALLY a drunk Sheldon, is cause enough. I can't begin to tell you how many variations of the "screw with the passed out friend" theme I've seen in my day (and maybe have been a victim of in my younger days on occasion). Ink on Sheldon's face is amateur hour

 

[Kathy2611]

When me and my girlfriends went out for my bachelorette party, my (soon to be) husband hung out with one of his friends and got drunk.  When I got back, he was passed out on the couch, his fingernails were painted bright pink and his make up looked better than mine.  I still giggle thinking about it.  15 years later and he's still waiting for his revenge.  The guy who did it STILL watches how much he drinks around my husband because he knows if he passes out with hubby around, he's in trouble!

[Andy_90's_generation]

10 minutes ago, Kathy2611 said:

When me and my girlfriends went out for my bachelorette party, my (soon to be) husband hung out with one of his friends and got drunk.  When I got back, he was passed out on the couch, his fingernails were painted bright pink and his make up looked better than mine.  I still giggle thinking about it.  15 years later and he's still waiting for his revenge.  The guy who did it STILL watches how much he drinks around my husband because he knows if he passes out with hubby around, he's in trouble!

Hahaha love this!!

Sheldons painted face reminds me of fashion in times of the french monarchy i admit i giggled, yeah it was funny.

Edited February 19, 2016 by Andy_90's_generation

[FortCozyMcBlanket]

My take on Sheldon barging in on Penny showering is that was the writers playing the 'Sheldon is a child with no boundaries' card yet again. So of course I consider the situation "his fault" but we're supposed to see it like when a little kid who doesn't know better (or who does, but is curious lol) walks in on their mommy or daddy in the bathroom. (Cats do this too lol) But yeah I think we're supposed to look past the fact that a grown man is walking in on his roommate's wife showering and just laugh because "haha Sheldon is just like a little kid walking in on his parents in the bathroom!" I know I'm not alone in feeling annoyed by this tired formula. 

[JE7]

1 hour ago, jenafan said:

It is possible Sheldon did his three knock and Penny let him in to pee, not knowing he was on his apology pitch.

I think Penny was more annoyed about his reason for being in the bathroom and unwillingness to wait for her to finish her shower for his apology than him actually being in there.

Sheldon does not respect boundaries, but neither does Penny.  She walked into Sheldon's room workout knocking to grab his keyboard from him.  He could have been naked.  

They are both guilty.  To me,  it just goes to show how platonically comfortable they are with each other.  I see no perversion here.  Sheldon is no threat to Penny. 

I have a bigger problem with Penny drawing on Sheldon's face without cause.

The its OK it's just Sheldon excuse got old long ago and the stretch to equate an action of Penny's with his and say well umm... Maybe she let him in, yeah that's it  i bet she let him in 

When you have to write a post that long ans convoluted to excuse his behavior maybe you should just Consider he was in the wrong

[hokie3457]

10 minutes ago, FortCozyMcBlanket said:

My take on Sheldon barging in on Penny showering is that was the writers playing the 'Sheldon is a child with no boundaries' card yet again. So of course I consider the situation "his fault" but we're supposed to see it like when a little kid who doesn't know better (or who does, but is curious lol) walks in on their mommy or daddy in the bathroom. (Cats do this too lol) But yeah I think we're supposed to look past the fact that a grown man is walking in on his roommate's wife showering and just laugh because "haha Sheldon is just like a little kid walking in on his parents in the bathroom!" I know I'm not alone in feeling annoyed by this tired formula. 

Penny's extreme irritation is evident when she screams her husband's name.

[ATOB]

10 hours ago, April said:

I'm not sure what kind of "mechanism" you're looking for or why you would need one in the first place. Life is pretty messy and figuring yourself out is an ongoing process - even for those like Sheldon who think they know it all. When he met Amy it threw a wrench into the workings of his life in that he was never so intrigued by anyone else before and we've seen from pretty early on how intensely attached he was to her (*cough*25cats*cough*). We also saw time and again that he was willingly engaging and even initiating physical contact, there were lines that indicated that yes, he has urges and was just suppressing them, and that yes, he was thinking about having coitus with Amy one day, up to and including admitting that he's working on his intimacy issues and initiating a round of theoretical sex, D&D style. So in the end what happened in Opening Night was not a sudden change but the culmination of a several year long gradual development - not because Amy wore him down or some such nonsense (because she really didn't do that beyond occasionally voicing her hope for something more) but because -gasp!- he actually wanted it himself.

All that, of course, doesn't make much sense if you want to stuff him into the asexuality box and demand that he stay put because that's when you have to start making all sorts of uncomfortable mental gymnastics to justify it. His story with Amy has been that he wasn't interested in any of this relationship nonsense until he met the right person which is a narrative that doesn't work for asexuality. That label doesn't make much sense for an adult who doesn't embrace it himself as an orientation and who's willingly initiating sexual activities. If you have to slap a label on him demi-sexual would fit him just fine because the fact that he needed to build such a strong relationship bond with Amy to get to this point pretty much fits the definition.

Like you I also think that he's pretty much solely focused on Amy with that pursuit and he couldn't care less about any other person. He's not the kinda guy I can see cheating, or having one night stands or whatever.

Asexuals do have sexual urges. The urges are not directed towards another person. That's where the word 'orientation' comes into it.

He was working on it. He knew it was what Amy wanted. She had told him so. He wasn't denying her sex to be mean or score points. For whatever reasons, he did not want to have sex with Amy, nor anyone else. I view one of those reasons to be that he is asexual. YMMV

Asexual people can and do have sex with, and for, people they love without the desire to have it for their own gratification. I know you're familiar with Aven because previously you decided that, because a person without a doctorate devised the primary and secondary desire model within it, it was effectively worthless. I would question that thinking myself. Much of Freud's theory was discredited by Kinsey's research due to the biased and compromised control group Freud studied compared with the simple compilation of data from a large and varied cross-section of society that formed Kinsey's work. In short, one man's opinion (yes, even a man with a doctorate) on a certain group of people cannot possibly trump research taken from people with direct experience of the study subject themselves, as in the case of the Aven site. It is a site devised by asexual people, in all their denominations, for asexual people. I highly doubt it is inaccurate.

Now, the 'Shenny' hug......yep, no 'dick-press' here!

The shower? Yeah, Sheldon knew she was naked in the shower. It didn't matter to him (see asexual stuff above). What mattered was getting her to wear the T-shirt at that moment. It trumped everything else. If Leonard had been in the shower and he had a T-shirt for him, he would have done the same thing, no difference.

[SRAM]

25 minutes ago, hokie3457 said:

Penny's extreme irritation is evident when she screams her husband's name.

Of course it is, she wants him out of there because she is naked in the shower and the only person who gets to see her that way now is her husband.  So she yells for her husband to drag the weirdo out of there.

[Stephen Hawking]

Sheldon has seen Penny naked before.

[hokie3457]

8 minutes ago, ATOB said:

Asexuals do have sexual urges. The urges are not directed towards another person. That's where the word 'orientation' comes into it.

He was working on it. He knew it was what Amy wanted. She had told him so. He wasn't denying her sex to be mean or score points. For whatever reasons, he did not want to have sex with Amy, nor anyone else. I view one of those reasons to be that he is asexual. YMMV

Asexual people can and do have sex with, and for, people they love without the desire to have it for their own gratification. I know you're familiar with Aven because previously you decided that, because a person without a doctorate devised the primary and secondary desire model within it, it was effectively worthless. I would question that thinking myself. Much of Freud's theory was discredited by Kinsey's research due to the biased and compromised control group Freud studied compared with the simple compilation of data from a large and varied cross-section of society that formed Kinsey's work. In short, one man's opinion (yes, even a man with a doctorate) on a certain group of people cannot possibly trump research taken from people with direct experience of the study subject themselves, as in the case of the Aven site. It is a site devised by asexual people, in all their denominations, for asexual people. I highly doubt it is inaccurate.

Now, the 'Shenny' hug......yep, no 'dick-press' here!

The shower? Yeah, Sheldon knew she was naked in the shower. It didn't matter to him (see asexual stuff above). What mattered was getting her to wear the T-shirt at that moment. It trumped everything else. If Leonard had been in the shower and he had a T-shirt for him, he would have done the same thing, no difference.

I just need to say, knowing absolutely nothing about this subject matter, I find your posts regarding this extremely fascinating and eye opening.  You present things in a way that does not "talk-down" to people like me, so thank you on both points.  Just wanted to say.....

9 minutes ago, SRAM said:

Of course it is, she wants him out of there because she is naked in the shower and the only person who gets to see her that way now is her husband.  So she yells for her husband to drag the weirdo out of there.

Even though he is not in there to steal a look, it is still unsettling for her.  A very intimate moment and she needs him to leave!

4 minutes ago, Stephen Hawking said:

Sheldon has seen Penny naked before.

That doesn't mean that she wants him to see her that way again!  (and yes, she was topless in Serieal Apeist, but again, that does not mean that anyone has the right to enter the shower while she is in there without her invitation!).

[JE7]

6 minutes ago, Stephen Hawking said:

Sheldon has seen Penny naked before.

So? He did see her in a emergency situation do you think that gives him the right to see her naked anytime he wants now?

[Tonstar17]

Sheldon has seen Penny naked before.

And what's your point? So she should just be fine with it because he has seen her naked. If any of the the guys did what he did they would have been called perverts. So I don't buy it. That was Sheldon being a perv.

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[JE7]

i don't think they intended for Sheldon to perv, just once again they went for funny and hit creepy Instead. Not the first time that has happened what bothers me is the rush to excuse it or make it Penny's fault that I am seeing here. Not everything is OK just because it is Sheldon doing it

 

[Tonstar17]

The man has an IQ of 187. He has had a lot of growth. Trust me he knows what he is doing. It's not a surprise he is been excused by posters. I stand by my opinion.

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[mjc45]

3 hours ago, Einstein Von Brainstorm said:

 

I'ma just leave this one here:

thats the way to go, bill