[Spoilers] Discussion Topic: Season 9

[Chrismo]

no offense, but really Leonard cheated on Penny for her lol. If your gonna cheat on a girl like Penny. At least be someone whos worth it. That chick couldent be anymore plain lol!!!

and that's what Sheldon thinks is attractive?

[Luna18]

oh your personality is such a turn on lol. Maybe be shallow but Leonard fell in love with the cheerleader not the geeky asian. He must of drank alot ill just say that lol. Sorry if its superficial, but i just dont see her worth cheating on Penny for, jmo.

Hmm...when you say something like that, it seems like you believe that Leonard only loves Penny for her looks. 

[3ku11]

Hmm...when you say something like that, it seems like you believe that Leonard only loves Penny for her looks. 

i diddnt say that. If you can reference where i said that literally, because i diddnt. Your making a presumption. Sheldon considers her attractive, im sorry but that particular asian chick to me is not attractive. Its not a judgement, just a fact. Shallow maybe, but true..

[Luna18]

i diddnt say that. If you can reference where i said that literally, because i diddnt. Your making a presumption. Sheldon considers her attractive, im sorry but that particular asian chick to me is not attractive. Its not a judgement, just a fact. Shallow maybe, but true..

oh I know you didn't say that exactly and I am perfectly aware that I am just making an assumption about you based on the posts you make. 

Anyway beauty is extremely subjective so what you are saying is indeed a judgement. There's honestly nobody who can be seen as universally attractive. 

Aside from that, would you mind informing me why you think Leonard is in love with Penny? 

[legacy99]

I agree it is pretty stupid, but on the off-hand chance it's not, I'm just looking to see what they could do with it if they did do it.

You're probably right but the writers have wrote a lot of things in the last 2 espisodes that I didn't think they would ever do Sent from my XT1056 using Tapatalk

[legacy99]

You're probably right but the writers have wrote a lot of things in the last 2 espisodes that I didn't think they would ever do Sent from my XT1056 using Tapatalk

Sorry quoted wrong person Sent from my XT1056 using Tapatalk

[Nogravitasatall]

oh I know you didn't say that exactly and I am perfectly aware that I am just making an assumption about you based on the posts you make. 

Anyway beauty is extremely subjective so what you are saying is indeed a judgement. There's honestly nobody who can be seen as universally attractive. 

Aside from that, would you mind informing me why you think Leonard is in love with Penny? 

I want a go. NOBODY knows. But it seems real for them. And who can answer that for any other couple? But I believe them when they say it's true. It's all you can do. "What does she/he/zhe see in her/him/zhim" is a pretty common question. 

@3ku11 mate, just pull the ripcord. My advice.

[Tonstar17]

@Luna18. Leonard is in love with Penny for a lot of things. You can see it in their interactions. The way they tease each other and all. Just for joke sake the writers like to make it or suggest that it all bout her looks but he loves her to bits and all us lenny can see it. Sent from my SM-N910F using Tapatalk

[Luna18]

I want a go. NOBODY knows. But it seems real for them. And who can answer that for any other couple? But I believe them when they say it's true. It's all you can do. "What does she/he/zhe see in her/him/zhim" is a pretty common question. 

@3ku11 mate, just pull the ripcord. My advice.

Thats a pretty good answer.

Personally I think that Leonard's affections for Penny went from simple crush to genuine feelings when he saw a more vulnerable side to her at the Halloween party. Before he thought her perfect but she said she wasn't.

Then as they got to know and understand each other better through their initial friendship, Leonard genuinely fell for her, flaws and all.

[3ku11]

He proposed lol...

[boys3allc]

The thing about Lenny I love is that Penny is the consummate cool chick. Yeah at first he liked her b/c she was hot. But then he got to know her and found out she was more. If she had been vapid or shallow I honestly believe he would have lost interest. Penny joined their world she enjoys being one if the guys. She never tried to change Leonard. Shamy and I know I am a starry eyed moon calf... It was love at first sight imo. They fell in love with each others intelligence and it just grew. I love all the couples really... I love love and hearts... And rainbows... And flowers... So sue me.... Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

[3ku11]

Alicia from.s2 is example of that. Shes the hot girl.type, but came across stuck up, vapid, and shallow. Which shows Penny is one of a kind. And become one of the guys. Thats why Leonard loves her i think, theirs an unspoken, mutual understanding between the two. 

Edited August 16, 2015 by 3ku11

[vasu]

Atleast howard and berie got an episode surrounding their wedding ...which we are actually able to see....

looks like leonard and penny are not even worth that to the writers........

[Nogravitasatall]

Thats a pretty good answer.

Personally I think that Leonard's affections for Penny went from simple crush to genuine feelings when he saw a more vulnerable side to her at the Halloween party. Before he thought her perfect but she said she wasn't.

Then as they got to know and understand each other better through their initial friendship, Leonard genuinely fe

works for me.

 

@Vsu, its difficult to differentiate between the emotional value of the characters and the story value of the characters. Bad deeds are interesting. Hence Sheldon's attraction. By giving Leonard and Penny difficult moral acts to unpick and tease out, the writers in some way, I think, elevate them.

 

 

[Chrismo]

 

 

@Vsu, its difficult to differentiate between the emotional value of the characters and the story value of the characters. Bad deeds are interesting. Hence Sheldon's attraction. By giving Leonard and Penny difficult moral acts to unpick and tease out, the writers in some way, I think, elevate them.

 

 

Vasu though has a point IMO. The hook for many people was the Lenny relationship culminating in there marriage. Not only did you get Penny's first marriage you got this upcoming first episode. a big nothing. Howdette wedding got intensive coverage compared to this. Howard's bachelor party, Bernadette shopping for dresses and seeing their wedding. And there not even the two main couples.

[3ku11]

Vasu though has a point IMO. The hook for many people was the Lenny relationship culminating in there marriage. Not only did you get Penny's first marriage you got this upcoming first episode. a big nothing. Howdette wedding got intensive coverage compared to this. Howard's bachelor party, Bernadette shopping for dresses and seeing their wedding. And there not even the two main couples.

Lenny are like the first born child. No longer as cute as they  once were;). Writers well go back.to.them.every now and then. But are not the event they once were. Now if the wedding was 1-5 be different, now tho? Uh nah..

[Chrismo]

Lenny are like the first born child. No longer as cute as they  once were;). Writers well go back.to.them.every now and then. But are not the event they once were. Now if the wedding was 1-5 be different, now tho? Uh nah..

And the other couples are cuter? Also what is the main event? The show is nearing it's end. There are not IMO many events left.

[3ku11]

And the other couples are cuter? Also what is the main event? The show is nearing it's end. There are not IMO many events left.

That wasent my point. I never said the othe couples were cuter. You took that literally? I was using a metaphor. My point was Lenny werr an event being the only  couple now theirs four. Not actual events in the show lol. Boy ppl take things on this site literally. Thry are clearly not a priority as they once were. They are the premise, and one of the original stories of the show starting all the way back in the pilot in 2007.

 

9 Seasons their story has been the central theme of the show, as you said hook. So why the tptb beleive they should be afterthoughts is lost on me. I just think tptb have lost any interest in them. They are endgame already, so theyve run out of ideas, writings gone lazy. Watch comic con they couldent give a damn about Lenny. Shamy this, Shamy that. They would so easily throw them to the wolves, then give them any attention. 

Edited August 16, 2015 by 3ku11

[Nogravitasatall]

That wasent my point. I never said the othe couples were cuter. You took that literally? I was using a metaphor. My point was Lenny werr an event being the only  couple now theirs four. Not actual events in the show lol. Boy ppl take things on this site literally. Thry are clearly not a priority as they once were. They are the premise, and one of the original stories of the show starting all the way back in the pilo in 2007. 9 Seasons their story has been the central theme of the show, as you said hook. So why the tptb beleive they should be afterthoughts is lost on me. 

I don't think testing marital bonds is a great thing for them to play with but it's a significant story and we all went WTF. It's not pretty, but it's useful. These two plateaued last year - stuck in their "really good place" while other things, perhaps more novel and popular things, went on around them.  I'd like rainbows and ponies too, but that's not happening yet. And at an emotional level, I have entirely unfounded confidence that Leonard's essential decency will be asserted. No frakking clue how long that will take - and we have bugger all information, just the outline of the incident.. And at least I'm engaged. Compared to last year, where I had been worn down by the Sheldon show to the point of not caring much for any of it.

Plus it gives a good reason for any lack of snogging. Lol. There was no reason at all last season. But the fat joke was cruelly funny, spiteful and factually insubstantial. Look the person he's talking about for goodness sake. No snogging for him, any time soon I suspect.

it could still all crash and burn.

[3ku11]

I don't think testing marital bonds is a great thing for them to play with but it's a significant story and we all went WTF. It's not pretty, but it's useful. These two plateaued last year - stuck in their "really good place" while other things, perhaps more novel and popular things, went on around them.  I'd like rainbows and ponies too, but that's not happening yet. And at an emotional level, I have entirely unfounded confidence that Leonard's essential decency will be asserted. No frakking clue how long that will take - and we have bugger all information, just the outline of the incident.. And at least I'm engaged. Compared to last year, where I had been worn down by the Sheldon show to the point of not caring much for any of it.

Plus it gives a good reason for any lack of snogging. Lol. There was no reason at all last season. But the fat joke was cruelly funny, spiteful and factually insubstantial. Look the person he's talking about for goodness sake. No snogging for him, any time soon I suspect.

it could still all crash and burn.

hey at least the make up sex, well be best in years heh. Leonard was refering to his.lack of physical prowess apparently. Opposed to Pennys weight. I mean look at her, if shes fat i wanna kno wat skinny is lol.

Edited August 16, 2015 by 3ku11

[meka3000]

if you can't provide support, you're wrong until you do. There may be some support, but it was your claim, it's up to you to provide it.  Until you do, your wrong. 

I'm going to spell this out to you, your claim that my claim is wrong just because I haven't given you some support for it, is an argument from ignorance.

 

Argument from ignorance (Latin: argumentum ad ignorantiam), also known as appeal to ignorance (in which ignorance stands for "lack of evidence to the contrary"), is a fallacy in informal logic. It asserts that a proposition is true because it has not yet been proven false (or vice versa). This represents a type of false dichotomy in that it excludes a third option, which is that there is insufficient investigation and therefore insufficient information to prove the proposition satisfactorily to be either true or false.

An Example:

Fred said that he is smarter than Jill, but he didn't prove it, so it must be false.

Sound familiar?

 

 

The argument to ignorance is a logical fallacy of irrelevance occurring when one claims that something is true only because it hasn't been proved false, or that something is false only because it has not been proved true. A claim's truth or falsity depends on supporting or refuting evidence to the claim, not the lack of support for a contrary or contradictory claim.

The most you can say about my claim, while still being accurate is that I haven't proven my claim that "vasu is not a writer on the show" to be right.  But that does not mean that it is wrong.  If my claim were wrong as you say it is, that would imply that you know for absolute certainty that vasu is a writer on the show, but I suspect that you don't know that either way.

Edited August 16, 2015 by meka3000

[phantagrae]

Meeka, don't let yourself get any further entangled in the pedant web.  I had to stop reading this thread for a while because I couldn't stand the round and round over something that doesn't make any difference to the overall point of the episode, not the post that set it off.

As for those lamenting the off-screen wedding, what makes anyone think that that's the end of the Lenny wedding story?  IMO, it's hardly different than if they had turned around and come back without marrying.  They would have found another time or way to get married.  Since no one in the gang was completely satisfied with how it went, and the audience didn't get to see it, I'm betting that there's going to be another ceremony coming up.

That way, the writers have more to work with and can have a reconciliation and a more romantic wedding.  I don't know if they'll do it right away, or drag out the issue to keep Leonard and Sheldon in 4A a little longer, but I think they'll eventually do that.

[Tensor]

 

I'm going to spell this out to you,

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but I suspect that you don't know that either way.

LOLOLOLOL  you haven't paid attention.  The part about vasu being a writer was an example of your using Argument from Incredulity.  

What YOU are wrong about, and what I've said multiple times, is: saying vasu is wrong for saying how it has been written is "makes no sense to him".   I find it funny that you bring in argument from ignorance, as that is exactly what you have done here.   Argument from incredulity is a form of argument from ignorance.

Another form that this fallacy can take is the form that of and argument from incredulity (also known as argument from personal belief or argument from personal conviction) which is that one's personal incredulity or credulity towards a premise is a logical reason for acceptance or rejection.

vasu said it doesn't make sense to him.  You claim it is presumptuous because you don't see how he can come to that conclusion.  You also claim, with nothing more than your personal conviction, that we'll know more.  An example of argument from incredulity. 

So, you are still wrong to claim that it is presumptuous for vasu to say the storyline makes not sense to him.  

[meka3000]

Being an argument from incredulity doesn't automatically make a person wrong  A 5 yr. old kid can have a lack of an imagination on not believing in Santa Claus, that doesn't mean that kid is wrong.

LOLOLOLOL  you haven't paid attention.  The part about vasu being a writer was an example of your using Argument from Incredulity.  

What YOU are wrong about, and what I've said multiple times, is: saying vasu is wrong for saying how it has been written is "makes no sense to him".   I find it funny that you bring in argument from ignorance, as that is exactly what you have done here.   Argument from incredulity is a form of argument from ignorance.

Another form that this fallacy can take is the form that of and argument from incredulity (also known as argument from personal belief or argument from personal conviction) which is that one's personal incredulity or credulity towards a premise is a logical reason for acceptance or rejection.

vasu said it doesn't make sense to him.  You claim it is presumptuous because you don't see how he can come to that conclusion.  You also claim, with nothing more than your personal conviction, that we'll know more.  An example of argument from incredulity. 

So, you are still wrong to claim that it is presumptuous for vasu to say the storyline makes not sense to him.  

Nice try at moving the goalposts but here's what you said 2 days ago:

All I asked was for meka to present evidence that vasu isn't on the writing staff.

You mentioned NOTHING in that post above about wanting me to present evidence that it's wrong and presumptuous for him to think that the writing makes no sense.  You said "All I asked" implying nothing else. 

Edited August 16, 2015 by meka3000

[Carlos]

Meeka, don't let yourself get any further entangled in the pedant web.  I had to stop reading this thread for a while because I couldn't stand the round and round over something that doesn't make any difference to the overall point of the episode, not the post that set it off.

As for those lamenting the off-screen wedding, what makes anyone think that that's the end of the Lenny wedding story?  IMO, it's hardly different than if they had turned around and come back without marrying.  They would have found another time or way to get married.  Since no one in the gang was completely satisfied with how it went, and the audience didn't get to see it, I'm betting that there's going to be another ceremony coming up.

That way, the writers have more to work with and can have a reconciliation and a more romantic wedding.  I don't know if they'll do it right away, or drag out the issue to keep Leonard and Sheldon in 4A a little longer, but I think they'll eventually do that.

But you don't know that, do you? We have to go by what we know. We can't assume anything. I never thought the writers were going to shit all over Lenny and the Leonard character and yet they did, because they are out of ideas. Your problem is you are and forever will be a TBBT apologist. You seem to think the writers can do no wrong. Well,,,they can and they have BIG TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!