[Spoilers] Discussion Topic: Season 9

[Cindi May]

1 hour ago, vasu said:

initially there were fine.....but later ever since penny affection and sympathy was showered over sheldon and then her angry irratation was showered over leonard ....and leoanrd's spine was completely removed.....they became a very bad couple....

anyway I think the writers want to highlight sheldon more and more...and what other way to do than have his roommate degrade and penny constatly being affectionate with sheldon so that audience will also be more sympathetic towards him.....

earlier seasons penny would never have forgotten leonard' s birthday....nor would she have put down leonard after he tells he was bullied in his childhood.....

 

this season itself had multiple mentions of birthdays....and in all cases except leonard's penny showed how much important she thought birthdays were...but when it came to leonard ....her "husband" .. she could not even remember it...........and could not even come up with a single good thing about leonard when she was asked by Dr Gallo about why she married leonard....

lol..... looks like the actor did not like the wedding.....who can blame him though....it was terrible....

I think if he were not being paid the big $$$$$ .... there was a chance of this actor quitting the show.....

Yes Penny isn't very sympatethic towards Leonard often, but I think because the writers think it's funny, like Leonard being constantly diminished by his mother or by Sheldon at work.

47 minutes ago, joyceraye said:

It's time somebody did but would Sheldon be able to cope with all that ? Would Amy be able to enjoy it while worrying if Sheldon was really dreading it ? 

Good point! I don't know for sure because you never know with Sheldon but I don't think he has childhood traumas that are wedding related.

 

Edited February 27, 2016 by Cindi May

[FortCozyMcBlanket]

15 minutes ago, Stephen Hawking said:

We've never met either of Howard's parents, in person.

I kinda count his mother though because her voice was in a ton of scenes she just wasn't visible... and there's a whole scene dedicated to how the group felt about her when she died. And we did meet Howard's half-brother. But with Amy we've gotten her mother on skype for one scene with like 3 lines, and the passive mention of just the existence of a few aunts and cousins. I want to know ABOUT her family. 

I just wanna know the deal with the other half of what made Amy, Amy  Was he in her life? Are her parents divorced? 

And I wonder about Howard's dad, Penny's mother, and Leonard's dad as well but I'm surprised these people have been mentioned in interviews but NOTHING about Amy! 

14 minutes ago, Cindi May said:

Yes Penny isn't very sympatethic towards Leonard often, but I think because the writers think it's funny, like Leonard being constantly diminished by his mother or by Sheldon at work.

I'm not a fan of a lot of the tropes tptb use that they think are funny, but I enjoy the good parts of the show that compensate for the abusive and/or over-repetitive "humor" and try to not let it overshadow the happy parts! it's easier to do this with some episodes over others lol

[Cindi May]

1 hour ago, djsurrey said:

3 minutes ago, FortCozyMcBlanket said:

I kinda count his mother though because her voice was in a ton of scenes she just wasn't visible... and there's a whole scene dedicated to how the group felt about her when she died. And we did meet Howard's half-brother. But with Amy we've gotten her mother on skype for one scene with like 3 lines, and the passive mention of just the existence of a few aunts and cousins. I want to know ABOUT her family. 

I just wanna know the deal with the other half of what made Amy, Amy  Was he in her life? Are her parents divorced? 

And I wonder about Howard's dad, Penny's mother, and Leonard's dad as well but I'm surprised these people have been mentioned in interviews but NOTHING about Amy! 

 

True but consideringthat we still have to meet basically the entire Leonard's family except his mother, and the same can be said for Penny except his father, I'm not surprised at all. Leonard is more important than Amy as a character in the show and he still got basically nothing. So...

[3ku11]

Leonard has prob turned out to be the less needy, whiny character in sitcom history. He started that way as his formulative years wrre dominated by his mother. But because of Penny hes not like that anymore. I dont agree Penny shows Leonard no sympathy. Um s2 peanut reaction Penny felt really sorry for LeonArd and threw him a bday part. I just think.tend to twist thing's out of biast towards Or against Leonard ahem. Fine to not be a fan of them.as a couple. But that doesent mean they are not. Majority rule.

[JE7]

2 hours ago, FortCozyMcBlanket said:

I can't believe they haven't said ANYTHING about the idea of looking into Amy's family life! I know, I know, we know of her mom and aunts/great aunt, and she's a secondary character blah blah blah.... but we've met at least one parent of everyone else IN PERSON at least once. And for someone who came on the show so sheltered and socially inept it would be nice to know just a BRIEF explanation of why and whether or not there was a father figure in her life. Because if she had a father who left or who died, they've been wasting potential to have her relate to Sheldon or Howard with that storyline. I don't think I'm asking for a lot! lol  but yeah I'm honestly kind of surprised that it hasn't been brought up when there are articles about "mysteries of the Big Bang Theory"....  

Sorry but aa far as TBBT goes Amy has allways been a prop for Sheldon and his story. Bernie was a friend to Penny then Howard's love interest but from the very first appearance Amy has been someone for Sheldon to play off of and has no purpose to TPTB other than that with out him she has no logical place of her own on the show

Edited February 27, 2016 by JE7

[vasu]

44 minutes ago, 3ku11 said:

Leonard has prob turned out to be the less needy, whiny character in sitcom history. He started that way as his formulative years wrre dominated by his mother. But because of Penny hes not like that anymore. I dont agree Penny shows Leonard no sympathy. Um s2 peanut reaction Penny felt really sorry for LeonArd and threw him a bday part. I just think.tend to twist thing's out of biast towards Or against Leonard ahem. Fine to not be a fan of them.as a couple. But that doesent mean they are not. Majority rule.

that was season 1 anyway.... anyway that penny is long gone...........the present does'nt even care enough to remember leonard's birthday....leave a birthday party aside...... 

and leonard is whiny character..... even penny mocked him .....imitating leonard in a whiny voice....to sheldon....when she went to advice from Sheldon....

and leonard has regressed completely.......... he probably was the bravest in season 1 and season 2......where he was not a like a slave to sheldon........ he was shy  but he was not whiny or a wuss......

Edited February 27, 2016 by vasu

[Nogravitasatall]

21 minutes ago, JE7 said:

Sorry but aa far as TBBT goes Amy has allways been a prop for Sheldon and his story. Bernie was a friend to Penny then Howard's love interest but from the very first appearance Amy has been someone for Sheldon to play off of and has no purpose to TPTB other than that with out him she has no logical place of her own on the show

Yes. And the set is the embodied premise of the show - Leonard and Sheldon with Penny across the hall. They physically can't split Leonard and Sheldon without breaking the premise. The set is the show. It's where they sit the audience. 

If they do give Amy equal billing/priority/role, then they have to tear something down. And that changes the show into something else. And the two leads get diminished if Amy becomes more central, so it won't happen. She has to be peripheral, until they change the show/wrap. Also, anything that happens to Amy has to effect Sheldon or the other two leads. I'm not seeing how exploring her extended family would do that. For the leads, yes, their other relationships can affect all three of them - because the action would happen on the main set.

They are already pushing the envelope, and straying from the premise - and we all notice that the fabric is strained. What married couple live under such arrangements? For instance, they are paying more rent than they need to, just to babysit Sheldon. Um... why? 

[3ku11]

15 minutes ago, Nogravitasatall said:

Yes. And the set is the embodied premise of the show - Leonard and Sheldon with Penny across the hall. They physically can't split Leonard and Sheldon without breaking the premise. The set is the show. It's where they sit the audience. 

If they do give Amy equal billing/priority/role, then they have to tear something down. And that changes the show into something else. And the two leads get diminished if Amy becomes more central, so it won't happen. She has to be peripheral, until they change the show/wrap. Also, anything that happens to Amy has to effect Sheldon or the other two leads. I'm not seeing how exploring her extended family would do that. For the leads, yes, their other relationships can affect all three of them - because the action would happen on the main set.

They are already pushing the envelope, and straying from the premise - and we all notice that the fabric is strained. What married couple live under such arrangements? For instance, they are paying more rent than they need to, just to babysit Sheldon. Um... why? 

Thats the million dollar question. Is it a comedy or drama. No one knows haha. Theirs no logical reason why Lp are still shacking WITH the crazy one. Their needs set boundaries. But watching this show atm. Is like watching the Titanic swerving the iceberg. Its a year away. And I don't quite honestly know well they swerve, or well.They crash. Or I know is Leonard especially and Penny deserve more. Good you stayed. Even though Sheldon clearly diddnt need or want you too. But honestly its time to move on. Sheldon is a grown man. Its time he start Fending for himself. And stop being so co dependent on Lenny al the time. But alas talking to myself here. Living Arrangements may never change.

Edited February 27, 2016 by 3ku11

[Cindi May]

1 hour ago, 3ku11 said:

Leonard has prob turned out to be the less needy, whiny character in sitcom history. He started that way as his formulative years wrre dominated by his mother. But because of Penny hes not like that anymore. I dont agree Penny shows Leonard no sympathy. Um s2 peanut reaction Penny felt really sorry for LeonArd and threw him a bday part. I just think.tend to twist thing's out of biast towards Or against Leonard ahem. Fine to not be a fan of them.as a couple. But that doesent mean they are not. Majority rule.

Uhm I don't agree. He's whiny sometimes but considering his family is not surprising.

Edited February 27, 2016 by Cindi May

[JE7]

The premise was/is two nerdy roomate and a hot girl if we think of the premise as the box the show started in at season one episode one nine years latter the box is over full, bulging at the sides, overflowing at the top and the seams are leaking. But for some reason TPTB are either to scared to get rid of it for a bigger box or to unimageniative to even realize they need a new one

Edited February 27, 2016 by JE7

[Stephen Hawking]

28 minutes ago, Nogravitasatall said:

If they do give Amy equal billing/priority/role, then they have to tear something down.

Unless they move Amy in with Sheldon.

Indeed, that eliminates one set (Amy's apartment), giving space for a new set.

[JE7]

8 minutes ago, Cindi May said:

Uhm I don't agree. He's whiny sometimes but considering his family is not surprising.

He did get much less whinny and  less of a doormat buy then they decided to revert him to maintain their sacred homeostasis in fact they have done this with other charectors as well. The charectors grow then TPTB panic because they are different and revert them back

[Cindi May]

5 minutes ago, JE7 said:

He did get much less whinny and  less of a doormat buy then they decided to revert him to maintain their sacred homeostasis in fact they have done this with other charectors as well. The charectors grow then TPTB panic because they are different and revert them back

Yes the writers are clearly not really brave. I noticed this a long time ago. They almost seem scared of their own choices.

[JE7]

They have a hit, a virtual money tree and are afraid to risk it 

That is one of the reasons they love to write Sheldon, they feel just like him change is bad, maintain homeostasis at all costs

24 minutes ago, Stephen Hawking said:

Unless they move Amy in with Sheldon.

Indeed, that eliminates one set (Amy's apartment), giving space for a new set.

Amy's apt is a swing set, they put it up or take it down as needed I'm the same space as the other swing sets cafeteria, labs etc...

The permanent set is 4a 4b and the hallway if I remember correctly

Edited February 27, 2016 by JE7

[djsurrey]

1 hour ago, 3ku11 said:

Thats the million dollar question. Is it a comedy or drama. No one knows haha. Theirs no logical reason why Lp are still shacking WITH the crazy one.

...so it must be comedy. They stay with Sheldon for the sake of comedy only. It makes less and less sense but people are hooked and the writers don't want to spoil a good thing (gravy train). They will experiment when the gravy slows down. If the audience moves with them they will look like geniuses. If the audience falls off then they will have jumped the shark.

Edited February 27, 2016 by djsurrey

[April]

(cross quoting from another thread because spoilers)

22 minutes ago, Tonstar17 said:

The only good thing about this episode is a hint hopefully that tptb are saying goodbye to the Sheldon show with this tribute and back to the big bang theory and more ensemble plots again.

That is my hope as well. The next one definitely sounds like the ensemble gets more to do and if our speculations about the one after that are correct they seem to continue with the new project of the guys. I'd quite like that instead of a relationship storyline we have a science one in place for a change!

[kazzie]

1 hour ago, Stephen Hawking said:

Unless they move Amy in with Sheldon.

Indeed, that eliminates one set (Amy's apartment), giving space for a new set.

They can have as many set's as they want. Only The hallway 4A and 4B are permanent sets. All other sets are constructed specifically for the episode they are filming. They are known as "Swing sets"

 

Edited February 27, 2016 by kazzie

[JE7]

7 minutes ago, kazzie said:

They can have as many set's as they want. Only The hallway 4A and 4B are permanent sets. All other sets are constructed specifically for the episode they are filming. They are known as "Swing sets"

 

I thought I just said that?

[Stephen Hawking]

8 minutes ago, kazzie said:

All other sets are constructed specifically for the episode they are filming. They are known as "Swing sets"

Amy's apartment must take a lot of work, to assemble and disassemble.

It would save a lot of time and energy, if they got rid of it completely.

[FortCozyMcBlanket]

2 hours ago, JE7 said:

Sorry but aa far as TBBT goes Amy has allways been a prop for Sheldon and his story. Bernie was a friend to Penny then Howard's love interest but from the very first appearance Amy has been someone for Sheldon to play off of and has no purpose to TPTB other than that with out him she has no logical place of her own on the show

She's certainly become more than a "prop". I know she started out being female Sheldon but tptb really developed her character. She formed a friendship with all of the group - mostly the girls - and she helped Raj meet Emily (a story separate from Sheldon). She's pretty much on equal ground with everyone outside of the big 3 at this point. Plus she is getting closer to marrying one of the big 3. The living arrangements will change (if the writers stop being scaredy-cats) and that will strongly affect Lenny (which will hopefully open up more stories for them INDEPENDENT of Sheldon!) So it's safe to say she's more than a prop these days. My opinion is that her story deserves to be told just as much as Howard's, and I know I'm not the only one who thinks so; it's just a shame that it seems like TPTB don't agree. 

[Tensor]

 

10 minutes ago, Stephen Hawking said:

Amy's apartment must take a lot of work, to assemble and disassemble.

It would save a lot of time and energy, if they got rid of it completely.

Its not anymore trouble than setting up The cafeteria, the comic book store, or any of the other apartments.  At this point, they probably can get it (or even a new set ) set up by rehearsal on Thursday.  

[kazzie]

30 minutes ago, Stephen Hawking said:

Amy's apartment must take a lot of work, to assemble and disassemble.

It would save a lot of time and energy, if they got rid of it completely.

All sets take a lot of work to prepare. They have a team that work all the sets.

After taping a taping has finished, If that set is not being used in the next episode, It is disassembled  and packed away before midnight. Work starts the next day on preparing the next set in that spot. 

It is the same case with each set you see that's not the hallway, 4A or 4B.

[JE7]

30 minutes ago, FortCozyMcBlanket said:

She's certainly become more than a "prop". I know she started out being female Sheldon but tptb really developed her character. She formed a friendship with all of the group - mostly the girls - and she helped Raj meet Emily (a story separate from Sheldon). She's pretty much on equal ground with everyone outside of the big 3 at this point. Plus she is getting closer to marrying one of the big 3. The living arrangements will change (if the writers stop being scaredy-cats) and that will strongly affect Lenny (which will hopefully open up more stories for them INDEPENDENT of Sheldon!) So it's safe to say she's more than a prop these days. My opinion is that her story deserves to be told just as much as Howard's, and I know I'm not the only one who thinks so; it's just a shame that it seems like TPTB don't agree. 

Sorry I disagree Amy has no purpose to the story than to be Sheldon's girlfriend or to act as a foil or catalyst to the other charectors. The girls where she acts as a foil to Penny or a contrast to Bernie, Emily was her acting in the interest of Raj, Bernie is the pretty much the same a foil for Penny or an adjunct to Howard neither has a place in the group with out either their significant other or Penny.

Same goes for Emily, I like the charectors but they could be dispensed with and the show would not face any significant trouble going forward without them. Sadly at this point the same can be said of Raj the only difference is the is an original cast member.

The only one to cut out a independant place for themselves outside the big three is Howard 

 

Edited February 27, 2016 by JE7

[April]

18 minutes ago, FortCozyMcBlanket said:

She's certainly become more than a "prop". I know she started out being female Sheldon but tptb really developed her character. She formed a friendship with all of the group - mostly the girls - and she helped Raj meet Emily (a story separate from Sheldon). She's pretty much on equal ground with everyone outside of the big 3 at this point. Plus she is getting closer to marrying one of the big 3. The living arrangements will change (if the writers stop being scaredy-cats) and that will strongly affect Lenny (which will hopefully open up more stories for them INDEPENDENT of Sheldon!) So it's safe to say she's more than a prop these days. My opinion is that her story deserves to be told just as much as Howard's, and I know I'm not the only one who thinks so; it's just a shame that it seems like TPTB don't agree. 

With that in mind one doesn't even need to fuss so much about whether or not putting a focus on Amy takes away the some precious screen time from Sheldon or whatever because any Amy story can potentially involve him for the simple fact that he's her boyfriend who might actually take an interest in her ever so often. I know, shocking! Want to reveal something about Amy's dad? Have the topic of dads come up because [reasons], Sheldon asks her about her dad because she never mentioned him - and you're done! It's not something that would derail the show or whatever.

[kazzie]

7 minutes ago, JE7 said:

Sorry I disagree Amy has no purpose to the story than to be Sheldon's girlfriend or to act as a foil or catalyst to the other charectors. The girls where she acts as a foil to Penny or a contrast to Bernie, Emily was her acting in the interest of Raj, Bernie is the pretty much the same a foil for Penny or an adjunct to Howard neither has a place in the group with out either their significant other or Penny.

Same goes for Emily, I like the charectors but they could be dispensed with and the show would not face any significant trouble going forward without them. Sadly at this point the same can be said of Raj the only difference is the is an original cast member.

The only one to cut out a independant place for themselves outside the big three is Howard 

I think Being Sheldon's girlfriend and friend to the girls is a pretty big purpose....