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1 hour ago, Lionne said:

And this has been happening for awhile. My "I'm done" moment came after the hoarding episode taping report, and this episode is just driving the nails home in the coffin. This show no longer makes sense to me, and the characters motivations no longer make sense either. With the possible exception of Howard, the characters have just been all over the board, for every argument one way there's an equal argument for the opposite being true, and I find it impossible to analyze or or understand the show's direction or characterization, and I don't want to bother trying as these aren't even likeable people to me anymore. It's a collection of really selfish, thoughtless, idiotic jerks. Really not what I originally fell in love with and signed up to watch. 

The actors are as adorable as ever, and doing their best. It's the writing that's been going downhill awhile, and at this point it's a total hot mess that I do not believe they have the foresight and wisdom, much less motivation, to work themselves out of. I know they are capable, but I think they have committed too much character assassination for the sake of the jokes - which are beyond stale now - to turn things around. 

I just cannot believe how far this show has sunk and how bad it's gotten, but now all I can do is just hate watch and throw up my hands at the absurdity. 

Sigh...

And what's worse is the jokes aren't even funny! Like really not...I mean what's so funny about Penny forgeting her husband's birthday? What's so funny about Amy's "You have no idea how much I put up with him"? What's so funny about Penny's conversation with the psychologist? 

Why can't they write some meaningful jokes about science and nerd stuff intead of creating drama and calling people to question every coupld on the show every week? Ugh...

 

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2 minutes ago, camelliayao said:

Sigh...

And what's worse is the jokes aren't even funny! Like really not...I mean what's so funny about Penny forgeting her husband's birthday? What's so funny about Amy's "You have no idea how much I put up with him"? What's so funny about Penny's conversation with the psychologist? 

Why can't they write some meaningful jokes about science and nerd stuff intead of creating drama and calling people to question every coupld on the show every week? Ugh...

 

umm... may be they are not jokes...but a part of story the writers are trying to tell...

about how unhappy penny is with leonard and... how much she cares about leonard ( forgetting birthday case)..... 

and how amy only wants the fun parts about sheldon (other than physical thigns....she most of the times says how hard it is to be with sheldon).....

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54 minutes ago, wowbagger said:

At this point, it wouldn't remotely surprise me if the finale had Leonard showing up at Sheldon's door one night, saying 'I'm just a boy, standing in front of a boy, asking him to love me'. Amy may well know a thing or two: she had a fight with Leonard over who got to attend to Sheldon on his birthday. She fixed Sheldon's bowtie in that episode in an exact mirror of Leonard during the 'Prom' episode. And all the sedulous wheeling-dealing in this most recent taping report seems to be directed at pitting Leonard against Sheldon. And hey- it was Leonard Amy accused of manipulating Sheldon in the 'Table' episode, in the Season Seven for whom the writers seem to be at permanent half-mast in the past few episodes....

#can'tfightthisfeelinganymore #Shennyredherring #Nothingwrongwithalittlemanlove #Itwouldexplainquiteabit #MakeswayforPAmy

I told it when that gross Shenny kiss happened at episode 2: I wouldn't be surprised if at some point Leonard and Sheldon become a couple lol. If you gonna be totally insane about the story, then be insane in the right way!

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And to think I guessed this episode would be about gravitational waves before the taping lol...I mean seriously, I don't major in physics but this is a really big deal in the field of physics right? I think it's weird that they haven't mentioned it. Maybe they already finished the writing of 9x21 before the detection of gravitational waves? Or maybe science is just not as funny as fights between couples in the writers' eyes.

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1 hour ago, wowbagger said:

At this point, it wouldn't remotely surprise me if the finale had Leonard showing up at Sheldon's door one night, saying 'I'm just a boy, standing in front of a boy, asking him to love me'. 

Blasphemy! I love that movie lol

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1 hour ago, Serena_nyc1995 said:

Oh come on...they are not all that bad. Sheldon saved Leonard's life and just set up a trust fund for Howard's kid .  He's not all bad.

But this is what I mean - for every time Sheldon is generous there is a time he is inconceivably selfish. For every time Penny complains about Sheldon being a man child and wanting Leonard to live with her in 4B she takes Sheldon sides and calls 4A "our apartment." For every time Amy is socially obtuse she is manipulative and socially cunning. For every time Raj is sweet, pathetic or romantic he's also mean, selfish and insensitive. For every time Bernie is sweet and caring she's a screaming, shrewish hell-harpy. For every time Leonard says he loves Sheldon like a brother he can't stand him and wants to get as far away from him as possible. I cannot parse this anymore, it literally makes no sense to me. In the 200th episode and in this one, Penny is acting like Amy and Amy is acting like Penny. If I asked you who, Amy or Penny, would defend Sheldon's RA agreement clauses and who would slam them as stupid using sexual innuendo, which name would assign which lines but who actually says them? Who, Amy or Penny, would you expect to be quarreling with Leonard or willing to camp out by his side in the bathroom, and how did that play out? 

It literally makes no sense to me; the second half of this season seems to have gone shockingly off the rails. When they were done with Sheldon and Amy's break up, I expected the show to return to other issues and storylines that had been set up but were being ignored. I thought a lot of things would be straightened out and moved forward. I expected Shamy having sex and Lenny being married and other milestones to mean something and the show move forward, but instead I feel like discarded scripts from season 7 are being recycled back in, and the characters and their dynamics have gone backwards, not forwards. For example, all the work that's gone into Penny's new career and moving past acting, but that's STILL a churning, unresolved issue? How many years are we expected to go through the ups and downs and zig zags of Penny's career and money issues before we write her off as an infuriating, wishy washy lost cause? Especially when she tries to pin the blame for her unhappiness on what she projects Leonard will say? And what sort of offensive nonsense is it to suggest all it takes in Pharma sales is flirting and a see-thru blouse? 

And Amy finally got laid but is pathetically over eager to check Sheldon for ticks because she gets to see him pantless? Is Jim Parsons under contract to drop trou once a season? This is all strictly season 7-8 stuff, completely ignoring that they went through a whole break up and had sex finally, and that things should now be efferent, and issues should be in play here, such as do Sheldon and Amy share a bed on trips like this now, when they used to get separate bedrooms. What's the new status quo after pushing through such a huge milestone in their relationship? This was a prime place for such a discussion to come up, but no, Amy is still trotting after any sexual crumb she can find after an episode where she is understanding about Sheldon's hoarding and the emotional connection leads to.....her being sent home while Sheldon plays with his new techno toy. Seriously, did the break up, reunion and sex between them even happen, because I see no evidence it did, or that anything changed! So why did I just get dragged through that as a viewer for the first 13 episodes of the season if it turns around to mean or develop nothing at all? What sort of psychotic arrogance or tainted bong water exists between the writers that they think I'm gong to hang on for writing this poor? 

And the problem is that it's everyone, the whole show. Shamy make no sense. Lenny make no sense. Shelnard make no sense. Everyone hates Raj and this insufferable storyline, which is also making all the girls look terrible, because I have no idea why they want to coddle, pamper, help or date this douchebag. And Howardette are pregnant, and I hate baby storylines and it's the least offensive and nonsensical thing happening on the show right now, a fact that blows my mind. When a baby story line is, to me, the least terrible thing happening on a show, it's a train wreck. I was very aware of major issues with the show happening while the focus was on Shamy, and honestly thought that some of the craftsmanship put into the Shamy storyline would move to the other elephants in the room once that was done, and instead there's......this. Whatever this is. With the 200th episode serving as nothing more than a big writers circle jerking party, full of self-indulgence, celebrity guests, gooey nostalgia and cake, but little to no "big moment" storytelling or plot development, it all comes across as kinda gross. 

And now there's a promised cliffhanger to end the season - because those always go so well - and Leonard's Dad showing up because....was there a huge chorus of fans clamoring for Leonard's Dad to show up? This fandom is very split, but the majority agree on wanting those living arrangements changed and have since season 7, especially after Lenny's engagement. But instead we're going for round gazillion of Penny's acting career crisis or Leonard's insecurity issues....why? If the show had nothing at all to mine for story lines, fine, but they do and are deliberately ignoring them while teasing the audience with lines like Leslie's "has anything changed? You're still living with Sheldon" just to let you know they know the issues exist. They are not failing to move things forward because they don't see the issue or the corner they have written themselves into, they actively see them and refuse to write towards tackling them out of deliberate choice because they believe that they are cute and clever enough to get away with having their cake and eating it too. 

And I'm done with it. Cliffhanger? Would not be surprised to see a tag with Leonard and Amy bathing in the confused and guilty afterglow of the best coitus either had ever had, while Penny runs away to Australia to film a new blockbuster and takes Sheldon with her. And Emily puts Raj's torso in her closet while Bernie gives birth to her reincarnated Mother-In-Law. Why not.

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1 hour ago, vasu said:

And again the reason for Penny to support the RA is ????

Because the writers wrote it that way.  We don't have the dialogue from the show, so we have no idea what exactly was said.  You may get your answer once we see the dialogue.  

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1 hour ago, Lionne said:

And I'm done with it. Cliffhanger? Would not be surprised to see a tag with Leonard and Amy bathing in the confused and guilty afterglow of the best coitus either had ever had, while Penny runs away to Australia to film a new blockbuster and takes Sheldon with her. And Emily puts Raj's torso in her closet while Bernie gives birth to her reincarnated Mother-In-Law. Why not.

oh my God no!! please!! don't give the writers ideas, because for what we'll see on the last episodes they seem to take some notes from our fears and concerns about the couples and put them all together in an episode... i'd rather to see Sheldon and Leonard professing their love for each other in an openly gay relationship than leonard "sharing" his wife (or ex wife) with sheldon... or maybe they trying to do some kind of "polygamy" with Sheldon, leonard and penny at the end, that would have more sense that all this cr**p..

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51 minutes ago, 2L344 said:

I may not agree with everything being posted here in the last 12 hours, but damn if it isnt entertaining to read!

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this forum is far and away more entertaining and funny than the show. I come here for the laughs and joy I used to get from the show.

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1 hour ago, Tensor said:

 

Because the writers wrote it that way.  We don't have the dialogue from the show, so we have no idea what exactly was said.  You may get your answer once we see the dialogue.  

oh ok... then lets wait and see..

 

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Nothing really positive to say, another depressing TR. They might as well just pay Johnny to stay home, his character is so beaten, he can't have much blood left. Almost wish the series would have ended at the bus station at the end of Season 7. Sorry I feel this way. I really loved this show, and at one time loved all the characters. The writing was soooo good, they made you love them. The writers have lost their way and sadly so has The Big Bang Theory!

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4 hours ago, wowbagger said:

At this point, it wouldn't remotely surprise me if the finale had Leonard showing up at Sheldon's door one night, saying 'I'm just a boy, standing in front of a boy, asking him to love me'. 

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Lionne, It seems to me if you are going to be critical of the show it didn't start the second half of this season but it started in the finale of last season. For Lenny fans it's been the last two seasons with a couple of exceptions. The finale of last season was awful and continued on through this season. The Shamy break up: If it was going to happen it should of happened at the beginning of season 8. It would of been more believable then than it happening this year. What came out of it. Shamy coitus. That already seems to be a distant memory. I laughed at your comment about Amy wanting to see Sheldon drop his pants. I guess once was not enough. I do think it must be in Parsons contract to drop his pants. LOL.  Leonard kissing Mandy. While some like suggesting Leonard cheating on Priya so him cheating on Penny is the same  to Lenny fans its not the same and IMO not needed to add drama to this season. It seems a better choice would have been a planned future wedding thus eliminating all this 4a drama and thus characters saying things that make no sense (Penny and the RA for example). Raj should have broken up with Emily last season. It would of made sense.this season Emily becomes likeable and then Claire comes along and he dumps her. I agree the girls advice makes no sense and makes them look bad. Why would you help this guy out to begin with. their advice IMO should have been keep Emily you are never going to get any girl better than her. By the way "tainted bong water"  I've never seen that in a post.

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Hi! I'm new to this forum so I'm gonna add my 2 cents worth on this latest episode:

I seriously do not understand what everyone is angry and stressing out about. It seems to me like I'm one of the few people who loves this season, I'd say it's probably my favourite so far. Firstly on the Lenny situation. Couples fight! Married couples especially! I'm not a diehard Lenny fan, but I still love their relationship and I still think that they're perfect for each other.  As for Shamy, I'm an obsessive Shamy fan. I love them and they're my favourite part of the show. They're a couple, they're gonna fight too and they won't agree on everything! If people are still questioning and/or are concerned about Sheldon's devotion and commitment to Amy, then I advise you to rewatch this entire season. Seriously. Now onto this non-existent 'Shenny' crap that everyone is going on about. I'm not particularly fond of their closeness, but I understand it. Penny is like sister that Sheldon's always needed and wanted. There is absolutely nothing romantic about them whatsoever, There never has been any real romance and there never will be. The writers know how much Lenny and Shamy are loved.

I've also noticed how no one has really mentioned the fact that Howardette and Raj are also fighting in this. And it's the same thing- Bernadette defending/being nice to  her friend over her husband. It's exactly the same situation, yet you don't hear people saying that suddenly Bernadette and Raj will hook up. 

Now as for the jokes and that in this season, I've loved them and laughed so hard. I think they're really funny. I am completely fine with where the writers are going and taking this. They know what they're doing- they've been doing it for the better part of a decade. You people have gotta stop reading so much into everythingggg and overanalysing. Maybe then you'll enjoy the episodes more.

I for one am positive that each couple on TBBT are perfectly fine. This show is notorious for showing real life scenarios, and this episode is the epitome of a real life situation. 

 

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9 hours ago, camelliayao said:

And to think I guessed this episode would be about gravitational waves before the taping lol...I mean seriously, I don't major in physics but this is a really big deal in the field of physics right? I think it's weird that they haven't mentioned it. Maybe they already finished the writing of 9x21 before the detection of gravitational waves? Or maybe science is just not as funny as fights between couples in the writers' eyes.

I think it is big. It amounts to a new way to see stuff that could only be theorised before. We had telescopes that could see using visible light. Then radio telescopes that could in other electromagnetic wavelengths. Then we started to detect solar neutrinos. Now gravity waves can be detected and merging black holes have been "seen" without electromagnetic waves of any sort. Understanding deepens and the predictive power of mathematics is confirmed again. Sheldon should be envious as he was not involved. Barry will have to rub some salt in.

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Perhaps some acknowledgment is still coming. 

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Btw guys I forgot 1 scene from the ER!! I mean I only actually remembered it today.

 

So in the ER at some point they adress the Shenny friendship, while they're waiting for Howard (don't remember the details ), I think Penny is compared to some comic character by either Leonard or Amy, and Sheldon says "but that's not true, she (that comic character) was manipulating men using her naked body" (smth like that), and all Penny does is takes me to the Lego store" (in his typical innocent clueless Sheldon's voice )

 

 

I literally remembered it like 1 minute before my flight was about to take off, and I tried and tried to post it, but my internet was already not working.. And I'm like Sheldon, I'm so scared being off the grid lol.

 

Anyway, hopefully it makes you feel better if you're worried about Shenny. I think it makes a difference a little.

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