[Spoilers] Discussion Topic: Season 9

[Chrismo]

Ok...going by that logic...she can go on a "date" with someone, Sheldon comes in the middle of it and proposes to her and she goes off with her new finance...SHELDON...that would still hardly qualify as a date.   Sorry, but she went with Stuart to a movie and acted like a "friend" only...never any romantic attachment, never any interest in him romantically, never any sort of romantic gestures made.   Sure you can call it a "date" technically, but you know for a fact there is a HUGE difference in what we are talking about and we are talking about two people who are virgins and have never been in love, never had romance, etc. that found each other.  There is a purity in Sheldon and Amy and you know it.  You can try and justify the Stuart thing, but you know it is different and isn't the same as if Amy found a new "love"....that would be changing the dynamic and the purity of the relationship.   It would destroy the beauty of what Shamy are...pure and two people who are  social outcasts that found each other and were perfect for each other.   Add a third person into the mix and it changes the whole dynamic and no longer seems pure.

in reality there was no way Amy knew that Sheldon was going to show up at the movie theater. So Amy and Stuart were on a date. A matter of fact Shamy's first date was with Penny. It wasn't romantic. Going with your logic it really wasn't a date. Leonard kissing Mandy many Lennies I believe would argue changes the dynamic and the beauty of their relationship. Some would argue Leonard kissing Alice and Mandy are the same thing but IMO is comparing apples and oranges. Priya was never Leonard's number one choice Penny was. If the writers can "destroy" Lenny they can also"destroy" Shamy.

[3ku11]

To be honest Shamy are unique on the show, but not ooveerall. Remember watching Cheers, and before Fraiser had his spinoff. He had a relationship that displayed alot  the characteristics Shamy do. Just saying fundamentally they are a boy and girl in a relationship. At some point too function romantically on.a consistent basis. They need aspects be conventional. Or they may as well be Friends, maybe thats the issue to get past, experience. 

Edited August 17, 2015 by 3ku11

[Tensor]

LOL, Mike, John, I hit that nail on the head.  See the PMs.

[Chiany]

LOL, Mike, John, I hit that nail on the head.  See the PMs.

[3ku11]

Mike, John, Adam, Eve? haha

[meka3000]

I was pretty bummed we missed the pronouncement for a punchline. The vows are sweet but Lenny deserved better. I'm hopeful they'll get to do something of a "do-over" ceremony once they work past their issues. Big and extravagant and something their friends and family can attend. It wouldn't completely make up for it, but it would be nice.

I'd like to know what drove them to take Lenny out of focus like that in a milestone moment like this? (did you see Leonard "kiss the bride"?)  I'd like to believe there's a reason for their choice (and I don't buy into, they hate Lenny because they love Shamy as a reason); the only one that's coming to mind is that they needed some way to get through the ceremony without hearing Penny's last name, and even then I can't see that justification for not showing the commencement kiss.  Not that I would have a problem with Shamy friction during the ceremony; after all Howardette's wedding had Lenny friction, but it never felt like it overwhelmed their moment, nor take away necessary focus from it, this sounds like it did.

And even if they did do it over again, the magic with the vows being done again would be lessened if we had already seen it the first time.  Unless they do different vows, but if they were going to do it over, you might as well bothered not to show the vows to begin with.

I guess for me the only silver lining is that this goes along with Kaley's claim back in January:

"Penny and Leonard took so long to get engaged that a wedding to me sounds like in a distant planet.

I don't know what the writers have planned. I know they've said that they've thought about it and they're going to do something very unique and special, which I don't even know about, that'll just be completely different from what anyone expects.

But that's kind of Big Bang for you. You never know what you're going to get."

So far did ANY OF US expect them to carry out the lenny wedding the way they did here with the sour note?

And I suppose an argument could be made for the long time show's power couple having their wedding night end on a downer could qualify as unique compared to other shows.  But that downer, and just rushing off to get married in Vegas?  Not really seeing the specialness of those last two.

I suppose there could be more to come that could make it feel special, and I'm at least intrigued by the next episode in where Leonard and Penny go from there?  And how will Mandy be utilized in this, will Penny confront her?  Does she hold more secrets that Leonard hasn't told?  Is she going to tell Penny that Leonard was distraught after he realized the kiss happened?

I suppose the fact that I'm dying to see what the characters do in this next episode, shows that tptb must be doing something right.

[3ku11]

I'd like to know what drove them to take Lenny out of focus like that in a milestone moment like this? (did you see Leonard "kiss the bride"?)  I'd like to believe there's a reason for their choice (and I don't buy into, they hate Lenny because they love Shamy as a reason); the only one that's coming to mind is that they needed some way to get through the ceremony without hearing Penny's last name, and even then I can't see that justification for not showing the commencement kiss.  Not that I would have a problem with Shamy friction during the ceremony; after all Howardette's wedding had Lenny friction, but it never felt like it overwhelmed their moment, nor take away necessary focus from it, this sounds like it did.

And even if they did do it over again, the magic with the vows being done again would be lessened if we had already seen it the first time.  Unless they do different vows, but if they were going to do it over, you might as well bothered not to show the vows to begin with.

I guess for me the only silver lining is that this goes along with Kaley's claim back in January:

"Penny and Leonard took so long to get engaged that a wedding to me sounds like in a distant planet.

I don't know what the writers have planned. I know they've said that they've thought about it and they're going to do something very unique and special, which I don't even know about, that'll just be completely different from what anyone expects.

But that's kind of Big Bang for you. You never know what you're going to get."

So far did ANY OF US expect them to carry out the lenny wedding the way they did here with the sour note?

And I suppose an argument could be made for the long time show's power couple having their wedding night end on a downer could qualify as unique compared to other shows.  But that downer, and just rushing off to get married in Vegas?  Not really seeing the specialness of those last two.

I suppose there could be more to come that could make it feel special, and I'm at least intrigued by the next episode in where Leonard and Penny go from there?  And how will Mandy be utilized in this, will Penny confront her?  Does she hold more secrets that Leonard hasn't told?  Is she going to tell Penny that Leonard was distraught after he realized the kiss happened?

I suppose the fact that I'm dying to see what the characters do in this next episode, shows that tptb must be doing something right.

based on the dialogue of the vows. Really unique, so really dont want a redo after that, it well lessen it. And Kaleys right they dragged it out so long, its never going to be what ppl expected,  it feels anti climatic. As for mandy, i think it well be resolved in one episode. 

[veejay]

I'd like to know what drove them to take Lenny out of focus like that in a milestone moment like this?.......

......I suppose the fact that I'm dying to see what the characters do in this next episode, shows that tptb must be doing something right.

exactly....and I have hope for a lot of EP later on....

 

[3ku11]

I think in the long run, they are trying to to revitalize the show with fresh new storylines. Its about the big picture. Angst well be temporary. 

Edited August 17, 2015 by 3ku11

[Dannii]

I literally just laughed out loud at this!

My neighbors are awake now, too. LOL 

[rachelshamyfan]

Hmmmm the title could refer to both couples atm

in reality there was no way Amy knew that Sheldon was going to show up at the movie theater. So Amy and Stuart were on a date. A matter of fact Shamy's first date was with Penny. It wasn't romantic. Going with your logic it really wasn't a date. Leonard kissing Mandy many Lennies I believe would argue changes the dynamic and the beauty of their relationship. Some would argue Leonard kissing Alice and Mandy are the same thing but IMO is comparing apples and oranges. Priya was never Leonard's number one choice Penny was. If the writers can "destroy" Lenny they can also"destroy" Shamy.

technically their first date was when they first met and had Howard and Raj tagging along

Stuart and Amy went on two dates.   Dale was running the comic book store when they went out for the first date.  The second date to the movies.   I have a hard time seeing that Stuart and Amy as friends, as the first time they met was at the comic book store a day or two before they went out. 

And Amy's "I don't know.  He's nice.  He's funny.  He has the sallow, drawn countenance associated with an overactive thyroid gland.  That's kinda hot." doesn't sound as if she considered him a friend, at the time.  

 

yeah but ultimately she chose Sheldon over the penniless repungent Stuart

[Tensor]

yeah but ultimately she chose Sheldon over the penniless repungent Stuart

Again, yes, but that answer was to the comment that Amy and Stuart only had one date and he was a friend during those dates.  

[3ku11]

Hmmmm the title could refer to both couples atm

technically their first date was when they first met and had Howard and Raj tagging along

yeah but ultimately she chose Sheldon over the penniless repungent Stuart

swap stuart and Sheldon and i would agree ha. Amy and Stuart werent friends tho, she was interested in him until Sheldon was. 

[rachelshamyfan]

I'm not even sure that Amy and Stuart had even met before that meeting in the comic book store

[Chrismo]

technically their first date was when they first met and had Howard and Raj tagging along

yeah but ultimately she chose Sheldon over the penniless repungent Stuart

Sheldon though called it his first date.  Although I didn't know she chose Sheldon for his wealth. at the beginning he was the best boyfriend ever. apparently not anymore though.

[3ku11]

Sheldon was never the best boyfriend ever lol. More clueless, hes trying aint he boyfriend ha. 

[rachelshamyfan]

Sheldon was never the best boyfriend ever lol. More clueless, hes trying aint he boyfriend ha. 

Ok well he might not be the best boyfriend and he might be clueless at times but at least he never kissed another woman and kept it a secret for 2 years

[wowbagger]

Ok well he might not be the best boyfriend and he might be clueless at times but at least he never kissed another woman and kept it a secret for 2 years

I need Marina with her *drops mic* .gif here.

An 'Oh, SNAP!' .gif would do just as well.

[mothandfire]

Judging from the title and swing sets, oh and Kazzie's spying(Thank you,Kazzie !), Ep2 sounds to me like another ep similar to S8 finale, dealing with the gang's currant situation.
Because from Lenny's living apart, Shamy's indefinite broken up, to Howardette's farewell to Stuart, and Raj's indecision to leave Emily, the whole gang are respectively dealing with their ongoing separation issue, be it minor or huge. 

  

Edited August 17, 2015 by mothandfire

[Nogravitasatall]

Ok well he might not be the best boyfriend and he might be clueless at times but at least he never kissed another woman and kept it a secret for 2 years

I need Marina with her *drops mic* .gif here.

An 'Oh, SNAP!' .gif would do just as well.

Well played. LOL.

Way to rub it in. hehe

 

 

 

[3ku11]

Oh yeah Leonard just emotionally, financially on every single lvl supported Penny. Why is on this site someone has a unpopular opinion on a couple. The retort is oh diminish the other, to heighten my ship. Sheldon cant get to third base with.Amy, let alone kiss another women, he wouldent know how too lol. Besides Leonard diddnt kiss anyone, thats a presumption. At least Leonard treats Penny with respect, the double date was proof of  that in s8. Drops mic 

Edited August 17, 2015 by 3ku11

[rachelshamyfan]

Oh yeah Leonard just emotionally, financially on every single lvl supported Penny. Why is on this site someone has a unpopular opinion on a couple. The retort is oh diminish the other, to heighten my ship. Sheldon cant get to third base with.Amy, let alone kiss another women, he wouldent know how too lol. Besides Leonard diddnt kiss anyone, thats a presumption. At least Leonard treats Penny with respect, the double date was proof of  that in s8. Drops mic 

Skull Leonard specifically said there was kissing, doesn't matter who started it, we know he stopped it but after how long?

 

If Leonard had confessed as soon as he came back then I think the whole messy situation could of been sorted out, leaving it two years and only confessing because Penny mentioned no regrets is ludicrous

 

Was he going to keep it a secret forevermore? 

[Chiany]

Sheldon was never the best boyfriend ever lol. More clueless, hes trying aint he boyfriend ha. 

Ok well he might not be the best boyfriend and he might be clueless at times but at least he never kissed another woman and kept it a secret for 2 years

Oh yeah Leonard just emotionally, financially on every single lvl supported Penny. Why is on this site someone has a unpopular opinion on a couple. The retort is oh diminish the other, to heighten my ship. Sheldon cant get to third base with.Amy, let alone kiss another women, he wouldent know how too lol. Besides Leonard diddnt kiss anyone, thats a presumption. At least Leonard treats Penny with respect, the double date was proof of  that in s8. Drops mic 

You can try to talk your way out of it, and bring up all kinds of things about Sheldon/Shamy.

Fact is Leonard is a cheater, and neither Sheldon and/or Amy is.

Just accept it.

[Nogravitasatall]

Wow. This is fun. And it validates the fears that by using this hopefully soon to be distinguished away to nothing device they have trashed their brand. Mind you, maybe they could try pushing forward with this and make what was a momentary defect, a feature. But I cant see it really. Leonard made a mistake - lets just torch him.

Or maybe not. I'm waiting for the dénouement.

[3ku11]

Anyone got a time machine so we can fast forward the next month. Where Lenny are happily married, Shamy are Shamy haha. Howardette pregnent, Raj single again haha. 

Edited August 17, 2015 by 3ku11