[Spoilers] Discussion Topic: Season 9

[vasu]

1 minute ago, brilliantfool said:

you're right, you can't help me : D

I think you can be ashamed of yourself in some aspect of your life, but it doesn't mean you're ashamed of yourself overall
You may lie about one aspect of your life, and say the truth about the rest

he was lying to all others on how he is as a person.... if one is ashamed of what he/she actually is ..... 

and Sheldon was not even telling the truth about him wanting to improve science like someone here claimed (I don't know if it was you @brilliantfool or not... sorry ) .... he only wants fame and recognition.....

so he lies about so many things and is so ashamed of who he is is....that he constantly lies about himself to everyone....and apart from that constantly undermines and criticizes others for the same....

[Tensor]

 

29 minutes ago, ATOB said:

I thought she had the book as part of her psychology coursework? Even so, do you mean to tell me that if there was a book about your significant other then you wouldn't be curious enough to read it? Pfffft!

Well, I might read it, but I wouldn't use it to tease or make fun of my SO, especially if she let me know she didn't want to talk about it.   And the book wasn't a requirement, it was on the list of recommended.  Teasing him, about things that happened in his childhood, was Penny just being mean. 

[Chrismo]

1 minute ago, vonmar said:

He didn't just tell Howard, he bragged about it...

Leonard: Who just had sex with me at work.

Howard: Damn. How’d you swing that?

Leonard: Well, whenever I talk about how awful my mom was, Penny will do anything to make me feel better.

Howard: Seriously?

Leonard: Look, I mean, I’m not proud of it, but it does work. I got her to watch a six-part documentary on Monty Python. Even I was bored, I just wanted to see if she’d make it to the end.

Howard: You sound kind of proud of it.

Leonard: I am, I’m really proud.

But does Penny know that? Has Penny ever tricked Leonard? Wasn't Leonard's  mom awful? Again if he had said nothing to Howard what would of happened? Ironically Bernadette told Penny about him tricking her into sex but said nothing about Mandy.

[vasu]

Talk about sexism....

Leonard was punished when he took advantage of Penny ... punishment as in he really was in trouble...

while Amy, when she took advantage of Sheldon... got a punishment ... which for her was enjoyment.....and no trouble at all....

 

Edited April 17, 2016 by Tensor
Derogatory comments directed at members of the show removed.

[vonmar]

3 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

But does Penny know that? Has Penny ever tricked Leonard? Wasn't Leonard's  mom awful? Again if he had said nothing to Howard what would of happened? Ironically Bernadette told Penny about him tricking her into sex but said nothing about Mandy.

Howard was trying to use Leonard's tactic on Bernie, that's why she told Penny.  

Leonard's kiss on the boat had nothing to do with the Bernie/Howard dynamic, so she kept it to herself.

[Tensor]

Please keep the discussion on the show.  Comments made toward other posters, have been deleted.   Off topic posts were moved to Season 9 Chit Chat.  

[Chrismo]

1 hour ago, vasu said:

Talk about sexism....

Leonard was punished when he took advantage of Penny ... punishment as in he really was in trouble...

while Amy, when she took advantage of Sheldon... got a punishment ... which for her was enjoyment.....and no trouble at all....

how sexist are the writers....they must be misogynist male pigs.... blah blah blah blah.......

Agreed. Not only that Sheldon and Amy were both happy at the end. Sheldon thought he got even. No one told him differently. Penny and Leonard were both still unhappy at the end.

 

[Jonny]

Raj is getting away with a lot and I am surprised he hasn't been called out yet on it. In particular the women in the group really should be telling him some home truths but instead they seem to be encouraging him more than anything.

[nibbler747]

I would agree that there is sexism both ways on this show.  Too much "stereotypical" male/female behaviour.

[SRAM]

16 minutes ago, Jonny83 said:

Raj is getting away with a lot and I am surprised he hasn't been called out yet on it. In particular the women in the group really should be telling him some home truths but instead they seem to be encouraging him more than anything.

I think it is sort of a high school attitude the girls have, their friend Penny doesn't really like Emily, so they don't like Emily, therefore they all take Raj's side in all this, because he is their friend.

[Tensor]

 

5 hours ago, nibbler747 said:

A few points.  

1.  My main point was that sudden dislike for Penny seems out of scale to anything she has done this season.  I just read through all the episode descriptions for this season, and nothing she did justifies this hate that is getting poured on her.  If anything she was much much worse in Season 7 and part of 8 towards Leonard.   I would be much angrier about those seasons than this one.

What you're seeing nibbler isn't so much about this season.  It's a culmination of the season you spoke about (7 and 8 ) and this one.  After three years, it's a cumulative thing.  I can understand it, I've been very disappointed and at one point was on the verge of giving up on the show, but not just because of Penny...

5 hours ago, nibbler747 said:

 TO be honest , Lenny hasn't had much of a storyline of their own this season which sucks.  But most of the season they have been united in helping Sheldon with this break up.  Thanksgiving they both messed up but showed them loving and having fun with each other with the lingerie.  Valentine's seemed more like Penny dealing with not being 20 anymore, rather than Leonard hating.  The last episode she seemed so proud of him.

As someone else pointed out, the scraps of "good" Lenny, or "good" storylines are few and far between.  And again, it's something that's been building since season 7.   I get that there was a lot of Leonard and Penny in season 6, but there was a better balance between the pairings and the individuals.   They was quite a drop in season 7, which I kind of expected after season six.  But the fall off the cliff in season 8, and how snarky they are writing Penny this year, along with the seeming inability to write them without some kind of drama the majority of the time, has people who like the couple on edge.     

5 hours ago, nibbler747 said:

2.  I really don't think they are making the other characters meaner to make Sheldon look better.  That's my opinion of course.

3.  I find it hypocritical when Shamy fans get slagged constantly for blindly defending Sheldon, when I see the same being done for Leonard.  I say that as someone who likes Leonard.  You could argue that Leonard is justified in your defense.  But none of these characters are perfect.  None of them .

Of course not.  And you're upset when Sheldon fan get slagged.  Don't you think there are those on the Leonard side that get upset for those that slag Lenny constantly?   How many Shamy fans actually dis Sheldon or Amy?  How many Lenny's dis Leonard or Penny?    

Here's the problem.  Come up with a positive for any of the couples (or members of a couple), and I'm willing to bet that I can find a refutation or an example that is a negative for the same.   I'm sure you can do the same.  If someone focuses on the positives of a ship, and a member of another ship focuses on the negative, and vise versa, it's hard to find common ground.  

 

 

[Tonstar17]

Talk about sexism....

Leonard was punished when he took advantage of Penny ... punishment as in he really was in trouble...

while Amy, when she took advantage of Sheldon... got a punishment ... which for her was enjoyment.....and no trouble at all....

how sexist are the writers....they must be misogynist male pigs.... blah blah blah blah.......

Agreed. Not only that Sheldon and Amy were both happy at the end. Sheldon thought he got even. No one told him differently. Penny and Leonard were both still unhappy at the end.

 

^^^

It's the theme of the show. Sheldon doesn't get it. So he gets a break for his bad behaviour and on this occasion he didn't get it, I give him that one. but still. Howard is clueless so his come back is always. Who knew and gets away with it and Leonard is the one thats gets into trouble because he should know better, he is allegedly the normal one but like everyone keep saying they are all not perfect and make mistakes which leonard makes less than the other characters but tptb enjoy making him pay for it but that seems to be missed a lot here when it comes to leonard becauae like penny said. He deserves it.

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[ATOB]

2 hours ago, Chrismo said:

I think a lot of this goes back to the inconsistent writing of Penny. While she loses it in regards to minor things IMO things as Leonard's bank account or tricking Penny into sex. Him kissing another woman she really didn't get that mad at him. In regards to Leonard being an adult and should defend himself that is true in real life. But we could use the same excuse with Leonard that we use with Sheldon. He doesn't know any better. His male examples have always been submissive. 

Your spouse hiding money and deceiving you to gain sexual favour are not IMO "minor things". I suspect she let the cheating go because this was not new to her, she knew this aspect of his character, indeed she had been used as counsel to advise him on his infidelity previously and accepts it as part of his make-up. However, being used in this way (the sex) and being deliberately deceived (the money) are revelations and she reacted accordingly.

Yes, I also think Leonard's father will be shown as submissive, we'll find out soon enough.

[Chrismo]

16 minutes ago, SRAM said:

I think it is sort of a high school attitude the girls have, their friend Penny doesn't really like Emily, so they don't like Emily, therefore they all take Raj's side in all this, because he is their friend.

The last time they were all together everyone seemed to get along. I think it's more inconsistent writing than a feud that has the girls siding with Raj.

[ATOB]

2 hours ago, vasu said:

@Serena_nyc1995 @ATOB @wowbagger

 

its funny that no of mentions or complains when in this show itself... women are most of time right and men are most of the time wrong and have to apologize..... isn't that sexist ?? isn't that an insult to men's intelligence... which is so common in hollywood....

 

Sexist? Yep, defo!

Insulting to men? Yep, agree again.

[legacy99]

Maybe penny's new job will be sheldons new assistant at cal tec so they can spend more time together

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[ATOB]

2 hours ago, vasu said:

@Serena_nyc1995 @ATOB @wowbagger

and where were all this complains when Howard's mother dragged an unwilling Raj into her house ..... imagine if the roles were reversed and if some character's father dragged an unwilling Penny or Bernie into his house... 

 

Here were the complaints Vasu! Here! Here! Right here! I made this exact same point! 

We are uncannily insynch today it would seem.

[ATOB]

2 hours ago, vasu said:

@Serena_nyc1995 @ATOB @wowbagger

It has mentioned so many times by Penny that she uses sex to get things done... and she manipulates Leonard with sex..... so clearly them having sex mostly depends on Penny wanting it or not.....

Does she trick Leonard into having sex with her?  You'd best give me some examples, I don't recall this.

[vasu]

15 minutes ago, ATOB said:

Your spouse hiding money and deceiving you to gain sexual favour are not IMO "minor things". I suspect she let the cheating go because this was not new to her, she knew this aspect of his character, indeed she had been used as counsel to advise him on his infidelity previously and accepts it as part of his make-up. However, being used in this way (the sex) and being deliberately deceived (the money) are revelations and she reacted accordingly.

Yes, I also think Leonard's father will be shown as submissive, we'll find out soon enough.

oh really ?? she was used to infidelity but not the deceiving to gain sexual favour... if I remember Leonard told her earlier in season 5??? that he used to do a lot of things he hated because he wanted to have sex...... 

and Penny we all know uses sex to her own advantage... and Penny would'nt even tell Leonard she was going to quit her job...that she had a guy to do her finances.... and also secretly goes behind Leonard's back and talks to sheldon and gets him to do favors for her and her only in regards to RA....

Edited April 18, 2016 by vasu

[vasu]

5 minutes ago, ATOB said:

Does she trick Leonard into having sex with her?  You'd best give me some examples, I don't recall this.

I said "she manipulates Leonard with sex" .,.. which clearly implies I never said she tricked into Leonard into having sex with her....

anyway ... why is only manipulating you SO into sex is wrong.... as far I go manipulating you SO into anything is wrong......

1 minute ago, ATOB said:

You're just gonna have to trust me on this.  Either that or trawl my content. Regardless, I agree, Penny being hauled back through a window by say Professor Proton against her will is not okay, and neither is Raj being trapped by Mrs Wolowitz.

I don't have the desire or time to trawl your content... but I remember I was the one who raised the same point some time back....  

 

Edited April 18, 2016 by vasu

[Chrismo]

8 minutes ago, ATOB said:

Your spouse hiding money and deceiving you to gain sexual favour are not IMO "minor things". I suspect she let the cheating go because this was not new to her, she knew this aspect of his character, indeed she had been used as counsel to advise him on his infidelity previously and accepts it as part of his make-up. However, being used in this way (the sex) and being deliberately deceived (the money) are revelations and she reacted accordingly.

Yes, I also think Leonard's father will be shown as submissive, we'll find out soon enough.

But Penny had a financial advisor and credit card debt was unknown to Leonard. So to me that's a trade off with the hiding money (the horror) and sexual favor ( with SO). As to Leonard's cheating I get your point bu the cheating was never on Penny and that should have been a revelation. Letting the cheating go by made no sense to me. The writing in general has been awful this season overall. With the Lenny storyline, the Shamy storyline, and the Raj mess IMO Molaro should be embarrassed at this point.

[djsurrey]

2 hours ago, ATOB said:

And so they should.  How is this any different to the guy on the street who tells me to "cheer up luv" cause that's what we're for y'know, decoration; decoration put there to brighten your day!

Penny is pretty, and that's enough! It's greedy of her to want anything more because she's just so pretty and it's not fair on the 'plain' girls if she's clever too, or particularly skilled at anything.  And, should it happen that she suceeds at something, well, it's only because she was so very, very pretty y'know. She got an easy ride, was probably sleeping with someone or something, that's how it works.  Cause, hey, all attractive people are stupid (and bitchy), them's the rules doncha know?

I was taking about her bright smile and her frown. Married people see each other not only at their best peppy bubbly times but when they are sick, tired, disappointed and grumpy times too. So the comedy throws a light on that.

[ATOB]

2 hours ago, Chrismo said:

By the way how is that college work going. If I remember she had other choices in books and knew what was in it. She knew the book made Leonard look bad. And how did you know Penny wasn't withholding sex? If she hadn't he would of needed to do what he did. And the sex was only for his advantage? His only mistake was telling Howard. Granted it was a huge one.

Oh, I'm not saying it wasn't a mean thing for Penny to tease Leonard. I think what happens on here is that if you call one side out then people assume you're blind to the faults of the other side. That's actually not the case.

We don't know if Penny was or wasn't withholding sex but, regardless, it doesn't sanction tricking someone in having sex with you if they are. It's not your right to do that. Why do you think withholding sex means you get a green-light to get laid by trickery if you are clever enough?

[nibbler747]

Actually @ATOB has been very consistent in her complaints that both the males AND females have been sexist in these forums.

[vasu]

4 minutes ago, ATOB said:

Oh, I'm not saying it wasn't a mean thing for Penny to tease Leonard. I think what happens on here is that if you call one side out then people assume you're blind to the faults of the other side. That's actually not the case.

We don't know if Penny was or wasn't withholding sex but, regardless, it doesn't sanction tricking someone in having sex with you if they are. It's not your right to do that. Why do you think withholding sex means you get a green-light to get laid by trickery if you are clever enough?

When was Penny punished for withholding sex?? Leonard got punished for his mistake...

and before you say when did we see Penny withhold sex.... Penny herself said sex is for manipulate people...