[Spoilers] Discussion Topic: Season 9

[Chrismo]

16 minutes ago, SRAM said:

Since Leonard's father and mother are two well known actors and Hirsch is a sitcom legend, they may let them dominate the episode like they let Newhart do in his first episode.  Them being divorced and forced together could put the angst in the wedding.

 

i can just picture the tag scene of Leonard and Penny in bed on their honeymoon.

Penny: Well Sweetie after surviving the Mandy kiss revelation in our first wedding, then your parents in our second, I think our marriage can now survive anything.

Leonard: I think you are right, but one thing, you know you forgot to have your father walk you down the aisle again.

Penny making a face as Leonard's words sink in: Oh Balls!

I know you are probably not going to like this but I think the tag scene may be Sheldon proposing. I'm sure that's being talked about on the other thread. It somewhat makes sense since like Howdette their relationship is based on help from others. My hope though that it wouldn't kill the Lenny redo buzz.

[Jonny]

2 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

I know you are probably not going to like this but I think the tag scene may be Sheldon proposing. I'm sure that's being talked about on the other thread. It somewhat makes sense since like Howdette their relationship is based on help from others. My hope though that it wouldn't kill the Lenny redo buzz.

I have no doubt some will complain but it shouldn't detract from a heavy Lenny storyline, especially not if its a tag. Let Lenny have their re-do and then when Sheldon and Amy are alone with nobody else around perhaps have a proposal. I think that would be fine, though some won't be happy.

[Chrismo]

8 minutes ago, Jonny83 said:

I have no doubt some will complain but it shouldn't detract from a heavy Lenny storyline, especially not if its a tag. Let Lenny have their re-do and then when Sheldon and Amy are alone with nobody else around perhaps have a proposal. I think that would be fine, though some won't be happy.

I think some wouldn't be happy if the proposal came before Lenny moved out. I actually could see him proposing in front of the group because the group, especially Howard and Raj, is the reason they are together.

[Jonny]

9 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

I think some wouldn't be happy if the proposal came before Lenny moved out. I actually could see him proposing in front of the group because the group, especially Howard and Raj, is the reason they are together.

I do like the idea of getting Howard and Raj involved in some way to acknowledge their involvement.

Would Sheldon propose if front of the group though? I have my doubts.

Maybe they are just going to save it for season 10.

A proposal could be used as an integral part of sorting the living situation out. Lenny are ready to move to 4B and Sheldon wants to move Amy in if they are now engaged. Situation solved.

Edited April 20, 2016 by Jonny83

[Lady in Red]

I think a fancy Lenny wedding is part of the set up for a simple Sheldon-Amy wedding next season.   I remember an interview with Mayim where she was talking about all the different ways the various couples tied the knot,  i.e., that the writers wanted to show that there is more than one correct way for people to relate to each other. 

 

Celebrate our differences! 

[SRAM]

56 minutes ago, Jonny83 said:

I do like the idea of getting Howard and Raj involved in some way to acknowledge their involvement.

Would Sheldon propose if front of the group though? I have my doubts.

Maybe they are just going to save it for season 10.

A proposal could be used as an integral part of sorting the living situation out. Lenny are ready to move to 4B and Sheldon wants to move Amy in if they are now engaged. Situation solved.

I would like to see them wait till season 10 for the Shamy proposal too.  I think the Hofstadters going on a honeymoon and leaving Sheldon alone in 4A may bring him an epiphany that no matter what he does he cannot stop the change in his life.  Also that the only person who will stay with him and be the one constant in this continous change is Amy, making him realize he doesn't want to take a chance in losing her again like in season 9.  So the change, the chance of still losing her and his admission that he loves her all come together to convince himself he wants to marry Amy, resulting in his proposal.

[bbtfan07]

2 minutes ago, SRAM said:

I would like to see them wait till season 10 for the Shamy proposal too.  I think the Hofstadters going on a honeymoon and leaving Sheldon alone in 4A may bring him an epiphany that no matter what he does he cannot stop the change in his life.  Also that the only person who will stay with him and be the one constant in this continous change is Amy, making him realize he doesn't want to take a chance in losing her again like in season 9.  So the change, the chance of still losing her and his admission that he loves her all come together to convince himself he wants to marry Amy, resulting in his proposal.

Well, thought out. I hope the writers are as intuitive.

[SRAM]

Well an episode like 'The Big Bear Precipitation' really cements to me that Shamy are now a committed couple.  There was a very smooth interaction with them and Sheldon's only concern was his dislike of the woods.  Things like the sleeping arrangements or even staying over night together are a non issue anymore, so they seem ready to make the next step.

[Jonny]

However they eventually sort out the living situation I just want to see as smooth a transition as possible. There's no need to make a particular character suffer in this process. I think all the characters involved are now ready to make it happen with a little bit of work.

[stardustmelody]

5 hours ago, Kathy2611 said:

Well since Mary's going to be there, what if it's a "double" ceremony?  A redo for Lenny and the real one for Shamy?  But that would piss the Lenny's off.

I am not as convinced that a wedding redo will actually happen.  The writers have said over and over that they would not do a redo.  I know they are setting it up to sound as if there is going to be one...but we also may get a big cliffhanger from it (Lenny related) and that may upset Lenny fans.   But what if there was also a huge plot twist that happened.  What if (and this will annoy Lenny fans to the nth degree and I would not blame them one bit), because of some parental comments leading to the redo wedding, either Penny or Leonard don't show up and take off because they need to think......Sheldon, however has been planning to ask Amy to marry him all along and decides that since everyone is already gathered...he asks her to marry him then and there.   So Shamy end up marrying and not a redo....it would be really a big huge awful thing for Lenny fans, but at the same time, I can see Penny wanting to think things out and it leads to a first half season of a little drama for Lenny but ultimately a good thing for them.  It helps her realize it isn't Leonard that she is upset with but her job and how her life is nothing like she planned, etc.   So it brings Lenny closer and to where she is no longer so mean to him.   It wouldn't be a breakup or divorce or anything like that with Lenny, but more a growing period for Penny.

[Jonny]

1 minute ago, stardustmelody said:

I am not as convinced that a wedding redo will actually happen.  The writers have said over and over that they would not do a redo.  I know they are setting it up to sound as if there is going to be one...but we also may get a big cliffhanger from it (Lenny related) and that may upset Lenny fans.   But what if there was also a huge plot twist that happened.  What if (and this will annoy Lenny fans to the nth degree and I would not blame them one bit), because of some parental comments leading to the redo wedding, either Penny or Leonard don't show up and take off because they need to think......Sheldon, however has been planning to ask Amy to marry him all along and decides that since everyone is already gathered...he asks her to marry him then and there.   So Shamy end up marrying and not a redo....it would be really a big huge awful thing for Lenny fans, but at the same time, I can see Penny wanting to think things out and it leads to a first half season of a little drama for Lenny but ultimately a good thing for them.  It helps her realize it isn't Leonard that she is upset with but her job and how her life is nothing like she planned, etc.   So it brings Lenny closer and to where she is no longer so mean to him.   It wouldn't be a breakup or divorce or anything like that with Lenny, but more a growing period for Penny.

This forum would have a major meltdown if that happened.

[stardustmelody]

3 minutes ago, Jonny83 said:

This forum would have a major meltdown if that happened.

Agree...but the writers are famous for giving us meltdowns.  They have done it to Shamy a couple of times already.

[heres2U]

3 minutes ago, stardustmelody said:

I am not as convinced that a wedding redo will actually happen.  The writers have said over and over that they would not do a redo.  I know they are setting it up to sound as if there is going to be one...but we also may get a big cliffhanger from it (Lenny related) and that may upset Lenny fans.   But what if there was also a huge plot twist that happened.  What if (and this will annoy Lenny fans to the nth degree and I would not blame them one bit), because of some parental comments leading to the redo wedding, either Penny or Leonard don't show up and take off because they need to think......Sheldon, however has been planning to ask Amy to marry him all along and decides that since everyone is already gathered...he asks her to marry him then and there.   So Shamy end up marrying and not a redo....it would be really a big huge awful thing for Lenny fans, but at the same time, I can see Penny wanting to think things out and it leads to a first half season of a little drama for Lenny but ultimately a good thing for them.  It helps her realize it isn't Leonard that she is upset with but her job and how her life is nothing like she planned, etc.   So it brings Lenny closer and to where she is no longer so mean to him.   It wouldn't be a breakup or divorce or anything like that with Lenny, but more a growing period for Penny.

I had the same thoughts exactly but was too afraid to say it!  The writers want twists and turns to keep the audience tuning in.  

 

[Tenji]

I have been thinking for a while now about the living situation and if or when it would be resolved.

In terms of logistics, sorting it out in the season finale (e.g it being said that Lenny are moving to 4B whilst Sheldon either lives alone or gets Amy to move in) would make most sense. The two permanent sets would need to be changed/amended to reflect the fact that different people live in them. Penny's apartment is very girly and would require quite a lot of change to show a balance between her presence and Leonard's. Same if Amy moves into 4A.

Having the series hiatus means that the permanent sets can be slightly redesigned over the break.

Fingers crossed anyway!

[stardustmelody]

4 minutes ago, heres2U said:

I had the same thoughts exactly but was too afraid to say it!  The writers want twists and turns to keep the audience tuning in.  

 

Yes and they have admitted that Penny needs a lot of stuff to deal with....so yeah....would not surprise me if they went that route.  It will cause a huge amount of grief to Lenny fans (with good reason at first) but they will survive it and the writers know it.  They saw Shamy fans meltdown in S6 and again last season with the breakup....but we all survived.   We would like to see more Shamy togetherness granted, but at least we know they are in a good place.   Lenny fans cannot get to that good place until Penny deals with her issues....and a redo won't accomplish that.

[mirs1]

24 minutes ago, Jonny83 said:

This forum would have a major meltdown if that happened.

I would hate if Sheldon (and Amy) ever decide to act like that. I know Sheldon is selfish and he's not the most sensible person in this world, he has prevented his friends to actually watch Lenny wedding with his fight with Amy, but that at least did not stop it. But if, after some major problems between Lenny (because to have a cliffhanger the writers have to imply that at least there's the possibility they split up forever), instead of consoling his best friend he says something like: "You know what? The flowers and the cake are already paid, let us get married instead of those losers?", I would really hate that! Really hope it doesn't happen, I would join the meltdown in such a case!

Edited April 20, 2016 by mirs1

[mirs1]

And here we are....last episode in Season 9!

last words..."And we..." it looks like "And we pronounce you husband and wife", like in Howardette's wedding...

[bbtfan07]

I still don't see how Leonard can move completely out with all of his collectibles. Theoretically half of the stuff in 4A is his and Penny's apartment is so small. He'll half to dump a lot of it into storage unless the Hofstadter can a bigger place and I don't think the writers will want them leaving the building. What do others think?

[Jonny]

 

16 minutes ago, bbtfan07 said:

I still don't see how Leonard can move completely out with all of his collectibles. Theoretically half of the stuff in 4A is his and Penny's apartment is so small. He'll half to dump a lot of it into storage unless the Hofstadter can a bigger place and I don't think the writers will want them leaving the building. What do others think?

If they move to 4B he will have to keep some of his stuff there you would think especially in the short-term, but then eventually that would raise issues if Sheldon starts to live with Amy who will have her own stuff and changes she wants to make.

Maybe the natural progression would be for them to get their own place somewhere else, but then how would the dynamic work with the characters especially the three central ones?

It's going to be interesting to see how the writers feel like they can pull it off, it's a huge decision for them maybe one of the biggest they have ever had to make.

 

Edited April 20, 2016 by Jonny83

[vonmar]

 

[serena_1995]

19 minutes ago, mirs1 said:

I would hate if Sheldon (and Amy) ever decide to act like that. I know Sheldon is selfish and he's not the most sensible person in this world, he has prevented his friends to actually watch Lenny wedding with his fight with Amy, but that at least did not stop it. But if, after some major problems between Lenny (because to have a cliffhanger the writers have to imply that at least there's the possibility they split up forever), instead of consoling his best friend he says something like: "You know what? The flowers and the cake are already paid, let us get married instead of those losers?", I would really hate that! Really hope it doesn't happen, I would join the meltdown in such a case!

LOL  at the bolded part !!

[Lady in Red]

Well, the old Amy suggested that Bernadette reuse bridesmaids dresses from a family that died of carbon monoxide, so this would not be out of character for her.

But, I can't see the audience allowing the writers to reuse Lenny flowers and cake, because Sheldon thinks it is a good idea.  That would be too mean.  However, it might be acceptable if Lenny freely offered them to Sheldon and Amy to use.

 

[Mislav]

A re do of Lenny wedding would be nice, though maybe more appropriate for the series finale. If the show stops at ten seasons.

[Chrismo]

57 minutes ago, stardustmelody said:

I am not as convinced that a wedding redo will actually happen.  The writers have said over and over that they would not do a redo.  I know they are setting it up to sound as if there is going to be one...but we also may get a big cliffhanger from it (Lenny related) and that may upset Lenny fans.   But what if there was also a huge plot twist that happened.  What if (and this will annoy Lenny fans to the nth degree and I would not blame them one bit), because of some parental comments leading to the redo wedding, either Penny or Leonard don't show up and take off because they need to think......Sheldon, however has been planning to ask Amy to marry him all along and decides that since everyone is already gathered...he asks her to marry him then and there.   So Shamy end up marrying and not a redo....it would be really a big huge awful thing for Lenny fans, but at the same time, I can see Penny wanting to think things out and it leads to a first half season of a little drama for Lenny but ultimately a good thing for them.  It helps her realize it isn't Leonard that she is upset with but her job and how her life is nothing like she planned, etc.   So it brings Lenny closer and to where she is no longer so mean to him.   It wouldn't be a breakup or divorce or anything like that with Lenny, but more a growing period for Penny.

Ratings would drop next season because you wouldn't get fans back after doing that. I can see a redo not happening. A Shamy wedding and a Lenny cliffhanger wouldn't help the living situation anyways.

[stardustmelody]

12 minutes ago, Lady in Red said:

Well, the old Amy suggested that Bernadette reuse bridesmaids dresses from a family that died of carbon monoxide, so this would not be out of character for her.

But, I can't see the audience allowing the writers to reuse Lenny flowers and cake, because Sheldon thinks it is a good idea.  That would be too mean.  However, it might be acceptable if Lenny freely offered them to Sheldon and Amy to use.

 

We really don't know much about 9.23 to be honest.  A lot could happen that we are unaware of in that episode.  We have no idea why Sheldon needs Stuart to stand in line for him.  We also have no idea why Beverly is in town to begin with (still there from Sheldon's birthday party?  Seems unlikely...so what brought her back so soon?).   Also we have no idea what will bring Mary out.   While if she lived in the same town, I could see her possibly considering attending Lenny's wedding, but to fly in (since she isn't supposedly a woman of a big income) for it seems a bit of a stretch.   I know I would never think about doing that for my kids' best friends...especially since it isn't like Mary and Beverly are close friends.  If they had been close friends, maybe.   

Likewise we don't know how the episode really ends and what the tag scene was.   Do the girls and boys ever have time together?  Somehow Sheldon must have communicated with Amy to pick up Stuart and take him to the theater for  him....so how did that come about?   

So many questions still.   

I could definitely see that if Leonard knew Penny needed time to think (maybe she leaves him a letter and even asks him to join her in a few days somewhere, but to give her a day or two alone to collect her thoughts)...he might offer to Sheldon use of the plans that went into the redo.   I could also see the writers twisting things (to prolong Leonard moving out) by having him wallow (in early S10) by living with Sheldon and Amy in the apartment still...Penny may be missing from town (but not episode) in the first couple of episodes and we learn she is  back at home and dealing with issues, including past haunts.

There are so many different directions they could take on this.  They could do the redo after all and have Lenny go off on a honeymoon, but then they come back and the issues still have to be dealt with.   Then there are the side stories that may need attention in 9.24 (Raj and his dating two women...who does he bring to the wedding?), etc.   

So until we know more about this episode we are grasping at straws at the moment....but I do think Molaro has been very clear he loves to create drama and do the unexpected.   I am just not as convinced it will end up what Lenny fans are thinking at the moment and a perfect redo because I know how these writers can disappoint and shock fans.   But in the end they usually end up making up for it.....

41 minutes ago, mirs1 said:

And here we are....last episode in Season 9!

last words..."And we..." it looks like "And we pronounce you husband and wife", like in Howardette's wedding...

No...And we:   Followed by a Fade out is very common in scripts.  Sorry to disappoint, but that is pretty typical.