[Spoilers] Discussion Topic: Season 9

[djsurrey]

13 minutes ago, hokie3457 said:

 

I could see Leonard's father saying "so you're married to Penny.  Penny has an apartment.  You both live with Sheldon in his apartment.  Why don't you move son?"

Yes but perhaps he should be asking Penny.

[Guest]

13 minutes ago, hokie3457 said:

 

I could see Leonard's father saying "so you're married to Penny.  Penny has an apartment.  You both live with Sheldon in his apartment.  Why don't you move son?"

Seems like a good idea. I'm excited to see what he'll do. As long it's nothing as nasty as the S8 finale, I'm fine with it.

[Squidley]

Bottom line Penny is going to have to choose who and how much she supports.  

[Tensor]

8 hours ago, kerrycec03 said:

I agree.  I don't think the drama stems from living arrangements.  Its deeper than that I predict. 

I happen to agree with you Kerry, that's why I'm so down on how this is going to turn out.  I just feel there is something not right with the Lenny marriage, and I'm just so tired of it all. 

[Squidley]

I am actually good with Leonard loosing it and forcing the issue.  Where is Take Charge Leonard with a little backbone when you need him?

Edited April 22, 2016 by Squidley

[SRAM]

1 hour ago, djsurrey said:

To my thinking admiring, amazed and envious are quite close to each other. They are all a long way from disgusted.

 

Really?  You really think someone that is amazed about something is also envious.  So if I'm amazed that you think that, I am also envious that you said it.  I'm sorry no, they are not close, they mean two different things.  

Leonard was amazed that Raj was going out with two girls because it was Raj.  He did not show any envey or admiration and just because he didn't show disgust, doesn't mean you can automatically conclude the complete opposite.

Again, Leonard has not shown any envey to his friends about the woman they are with since he got back with Penny.

There are a lot of people on this forum that like to put Leonard down because he is the nice guy in the show, so this false logic concerning him comes up all the time.

[Chrismo]

7 hours ago, kerrycec03 said:

I agree.  I don't think the drama stems from living arrangements.  Its deeper than that I predict. 

I disagree. I would compare living arrangements to a duck. If it looks like a duck quacks like a duck it's a duck. Any issues with Lenny this season as annoying as they have been have been resolved quickly. The only thing constant this season has been living arrangements.

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

I disagree. I would compare living arrangements to a duck. If it looks like a duck quacks like a duck it's a duck. Any issues with Lenny this season as annoying as they have been have been resolved quickly. The only thing constant this season has been living arrangements.

I agree with you. Throughout the entire season nine, I never got any vibes that there's anything wrong with their marriage or that one of them has doubts. So far it has only been Penny's problems with getting older. But that's a natural thing and most of us go through that at some point.

[djsurrey]

29 minutes ago, SRAM said:

Really?  You really think someone that is amazed about something is also envious.  So if I'm amazed that you think that, I am also envious that you said it.  I'm sorry no, they are not close, they mean two different things.  

Leonard was amazed that Raj was going out with two girls because it was Raj.  He did not show any envey or admiration and just because he didn't show disgust, doesn't mean you can automatically conclude the complete opposite.

I could watch it again but this time I don't want to.

He looked envious to me. Amazed and envious! To me it fits Leonard's low points. I don't think Leonard was amazed that Raj was so self centred. He was amazed that Raj could pull it off. If that is not exactly envy it is sitting real close to it.

[SRAM]

10 minutes ago, djsurrey said:

I could watch it again but this time I don't want to.

He looked envious to me. Amazed and envious! To me it fits Leonard's low points. I don't think Leonard was amazed that Raj was so self centred. He was amazed that Raj could pull it off. If that is not exactly envy it is sitting real close to it.

I think this is one we are going to have to agree we disagree because I didn't see what you said you did.

[nibbler747]

Are we sure Leonard and Penny even want to move out? (even though it's what we fans want?).  They got engaged, then did nothing about getting married until getting bugged about it.  Now they are living with Sheldon, and are not bringing up the topic of moving out.  It feels like they make a decision, and then are very slow to take action.

[Tensor]

4 minutes ago, nibbler747 said:

Are we sure Leonard and Penny even want to move out? (even though it's what we fans want?).  They got engaged, then did nothing about getting married until getting bugged about it.  Now they are living with Sheldon, and are not bringing up the topic of moving out.  It feels like they make a decision, and then are very slow to take action.

Some of us feel it's unrealistic for them to be there at all, what ever the reason.  

[Jonny]

I'm not sure the parents have the sort of influence some think they have especially Leonard and his parents. I think it would take more than a day of bonding with his parents to suddenly decide to leave the apartment with Penny if they suggest they do so.

Mary has more influence over Sheldon hence why she has been called his 'Kryptonite', but I can't see her getting involved with that (living arrangements) unless a dispute is already underway. I think it's intriguing if she is going to make an appearance in person as I think she wouldn't turn up to see Leonard and Penny have a wedding re-do. It surely has to be about something else.

Edited April 22, 2016 by Jonny83

[SRAM]

I could see Mary wondering why Leonard and Penny are still living with her son because she has always shown support for their union, but I can't see her supporting Amy moving in with Sheldon because it goes against her beliefs.

I don't see Bev offering any advice to Penny and Leonard, but she will probably analyze it and somehow blame it on Leonard.  Leonard's father is of course a wild card in all this.

it surprises me though that Leonard would want to do a redo of the wedding for just Bev.

[legacy99]

My guess the finale will be leonard moving to 4b and penny not being able to decide to go with him or stay with sheldon

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[vonmar]

8 minutes ago, SRAM said:

I could see Mary wondering why Leonard and Penny are still living with her son because she has always shown support for their union, but I can't see her supporting Amy moving in with Sheldon because it goes against her beliefs.

I don't see Bev offering any advice to Penny and Leonard, but she will probably analyze it and somehow blame it on Leonard.  Leonard's father is of course a wild card in all this.

it surprises me though that Leonard would want to do a redo of the wedding for just Bev.

Maybe he wants it for Penny, for her to have all eyes on her.  Kind of a "bite me mother, this is about us" sort of thing.

[SRAM]

4 minutes ago, vonmar said:

Maybe he wants it for Penny, for her to have all eyes on her.  Kind of a "bite me mother, this is about us" sort of thing.

That does make more sense, he does care a lot more for Penny than his mother.

[Jonny]

17 minutes ago, SRAM said:

I could see Mary wondering why Leonard and Penny are still living with her son because she has always shown support for their union, but I can't see her supporting Amy moving in with Sheldon because it goes against her beliefs.

I don't see Bev offering any advice to Penny and Leonard, but she will probably analyze it and somehow blame it on Leonard.  Leonard's father is of course a wild card in all this.

it surprises me though that Leonard would want to do a redo of the wedding for just Bev.

Sheldon's mother isn't as devout as it would appear. I think she wouldn't mind if Amy lived with Sheldon, she would just tell him he would be in sin until he married her but that she would just pray for the both of them until they got married.

[djsurrey]

1 hour ago, nibbler747 said:

Are we sure Leonard and Penny even want to move out? (even though it's what we fans want?).  They got engaged, then did nothing about getting married until getting bugged about it.  Now they are living with Sheldon, and are not bringing up the topic of moving out.  It feels like they make a decision, and then are very slow to take action.

I think Leonard has shown he wants out of that apartment for a while. Penny is more complex I think. 

[Thyanic]

I don't know if i can post this here, sorry in advance if i can't Tensor (please be free to delete it), but it's really interesting to me how some reviews perceived the "shenny" plot from last night..

 

FROM: http://www.avclub.com/tvclub/emotions-run-high-big-bang-theory-meets-game-thron-235689

I really like this reviews, but even they've noticed the Amy's "intriguing line of thought" regarding Shenny:

It’s an intriguing line of thought, as it’s true that over the years Penny and Sheldon have grown closer to one another. Where they once started as enemies they’ve come to understand one another. It’s clear in the moment when Penny defends the roommate agreement meeting. That’s something that the “old” Penny would roll her eyes at, but now she’s all for it because she knows it keeps Sheldon sane. There’s the potential for interesting character exploration here. Is Leonard truly sick of Sheldon’s antics, or does he see himself being replaced by Penny? Has Amy felt this way for a while, or is this a new observation? Trying to unpack those questions would be good for the show, as it would present an opportunity to explore how the character dynamics have changed over nine seasons.

“The Viewing Party Combustion” never really digs deeper though. Instead, it just raises the idea that Penny and Sheldon are closer now and then leaves it at that. 

ugh...

and the worst one:

http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/04/22/the-big-bang-theory-the-viewing-party-combustion-review

she's not wrong to be jealous. Over the years, we've seen Sheldon connect with Penny in a way he hasn't with anyone else. In some ways, their bond is deeper and more genuine than either the Penny/Leonard or Sheldon/Amy romances. So it's only logical that both Leonard and Amy would be nursing some latent hostility over that fact.

 so sad...

 

 

 

Edited April 23, 2016 by Thyanic <3

[vonmar]

15 minutes ago, Thyanic <3 said:

I don't know if i can post this here, sorry in advance if i can't Tensor (please be free to delete it), but it's really interesting to me how some reviews perceived the "shenny" plot from last night..

 

FROM: http://www.avclub.com/tvclub/emotions-run-high-big-bang-theory-meets-game-thron-235689

I really like this reviews, but even they've noticed the Amy's "intriguing line of thought" regarding Shenny:

It’s an intriguing line of thought, as it’s true that over the years Penny and Sheldon have grown closer to one another. Where they once started as enemies they’ve come to understand one another. It’s clear in the moment when Penny defends the roommate agreement meeting. That’s something that the “old” Penny would roll her eyes at, but now she’s all for it because she knows it keeps Sheldon sane. There’s the potential for interesting character exploration here. Is Leonard truly sick of Sheldon’s antics, or does he see himself being replaced by Penny? Has Amy felt this way for a while, or is this a new observation? Trying to unpack those questions would be good for the show, as it would present an opportunity to explore how the character dynamics have changed over nine seasons.

“The Viewing Party Combustion” never really digs deeper though. Instead, it just raises the idea that Penny and Sheldon are closer now and then leaves it at that. 

ugh...

and the worst one:

http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/04/22/the-big-bang-theory-the-viewing-party-combustion-review

she's not wrong to be jealous. Over the years, we've seen Sheldon connect with Penny in a way he hasn't with anyone else. In some ways, their bond is deeper and more genuine than either the Penny/Leonard or Sheldon/Amy romances. So it's only logical that both Leonard and Amy would be nursing some latent hostility over that fact.

 so sad...

On a basic level, I enjoyed the episode.  But when I read the reviews, which for the most part were pretty brutal for a BBT episode, I had to give it a whole lot more thought.  Most of the complaints were...

Nothing was resolved....old issues were rehashed without forward motion....can Raj get more weird & gross....

I was interested in the comment in the AV Club review...."Is Leonard truly sick of Sheldon’s antics, or does he see himself being replaced by Penny?" 

Major flashback to the 200th episode, Leonard and Amy arguing about who would get Sheldon to come out of the bathroom.   Hmmmm.

[camelliayao]

29 minutes ago, Thyanic <3 said:

I don't know if i can post this here, sorry in advance if i can't Tensor (please be free to delete it), but it's really interesting to me how some reviews perceived the "shenny" plot from last night..

 

FROM: http://www.avclub.com/tvclub/emotions-run-high-big-bang-theory-meets-game-thron-235689

I really like this reviews, but even they've noticed the Amy's "intriguing line of thought" regarding Shenny:

It’s an intriguing line of thought, as it’s true that over the years Penny and Sheldon have grown closer to one another. Where they once started as enemies they’ve come to understand one another. It’s clear in the moment when Penny defends the roommate agreement meeting. That’s something that the “old” Penny would roll her eyes at, but now she’s all for it because she knows it keeps Sheldon sane. There’s the potential for interesting character exploration here. Is Leonard truly sick of Sheldon’s antics, or does he see himself being replaced by Penny? Has Amy felt this way for a while, or is this a new observation? Trying to unpack those questions would be good for the show, as it would present an opportunity to explore how the character dynamics have changed over nine seasons.

“The Viewing Party Combustion” never really digs deeper though. Instead, it just raises the idea that Penny and Sheldon are closer now and then leaves it at that. 

ugh...

and the worst one:

http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/04/22/the-big-bang-theory-the-viewing-party-combustion-review

she's not wrong to be jealous. Over the years, we've seen Sheldon connect with Penny in a way he hasn't with anyone else. In some ways, their bond is deeper and more genuine than either the Penny/Leonard or Sheldon/Amy romances. So it's only logical that both Leonard and Amy would be nursing some latent hostility over that fact.

 so sad...

The first one, I agree. The second one...Exactly which episode shows us that the bond between Sheldon and Penny is deeper and more genuine than the bonds of Lenny and Shamy? Examples? Sheldon and Penny are very close, that I can tell. But "genuine"? I don't think I've ever seen Sheldon more genuine than when he's with Amy. In fact I think he's always genuine when it comes to Amy. Too genuine that sometimes the scenes between Sheldon and Amy are not that funny because Sheldon is being sincere (unlike his usual self).

And deep? Sheldon and Penny barely understand each other most of the time. Every Shamy and Lenny conversation is deeper than most of the moments between Sheldon and Penny.

I don't feel sad. I feel the the author doesn't really watch the show or at least he doesn't watch the show as many times as us. He took what the writer wrote in this one episode and went too far with it lol.

Edited April 23, 2016 by camelliayao

[serena_1995]

26 minutes ago, Thyanic <3 said:

I don't know if i can post this here, sorry in advance if i can't Tensor (please be free to delete it), but it's really interesting to me how some reviews perceived the "shenny" plot from last night..

 

FROM: http://www.avclub.com/tvclub/emotions-run-high-big-bang-theory-meets-game-thron-235689

I really like this reviews, but even they've noticed the Amy's "intriguing line of thought" regarding Shenny:

It’s an intriguing line of thought, as it’s true that over the years Penny and Sheldon have grown closer to one another. Where they once started as enemies they’ve come to understand one another. It’s clear in the moment when Penny defends the roommate agreement meeting. That’s something that the “old” Penny would roll her eyes at, but now she’s all for it because she knows it keeps Sheldon sane. There’s the potential for interesting character exploration here. Is Leonard truly sick of Sheldon’s antics, or does he see himself being replaced by Penny? Has Amy felt this way for a while, or is this a new observation? Trying to unpack those questions would be good for the show, as it would present an opportunity to explore how the character dynamics have changed over nine seasons.

“The Viewing Party Combustion” never really digs deeper though. Instead, it just raises the idea that Penny and Sheldon are closer now and then leaves it at that. 

ugh...

and the worst one:

http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/04/22/the-big-bang-theory-the-viewing-party-combustion-review

she's not wrong to be jealous. Over the years, we've seen Sheldon connect with Penny in a way he hasn't with anyone else. In some ways, their bond is deeper and more genuine than either the Penny/Leonard or Sheldon/Amy romances. So it's only logical that both Leonard and Amy would be nursing some latent hostility over that fact.

 so sad...

 

 

 

LOL . IGN and AV Club have a hard-on for Shenny. They always bring up idea of Shenny closeness when S/P have more than usual scenes together. LOL.

To me, it didn't really feel like a Shenny episode, but I can't speak for everyone else, including those reviewers.

My only complaint was that they didn't resolve it. Premise was very interesting- Leonard and Amy calling out Sheldon and Penny. Could have been a good emotional episode to explore character relationships in a mature way. But noooooo...they added cheap lazy cop out at the end.The plot went NO WHERE. So fail.

[vonmar]

10 minutes ago, Serena_nyc1995 said:

LOL . IGN and AV Club have a hard-on for Shenny. They always bring up idea of Shenny closeness when S/P have more than usual scenes together. LOL.

To me, it didn't really feel like a Shenny episode, but I can't speak for everyone else, including those reviewers.

My only complaint was that they didn't resolve it. Premise was very interesting- Leonard and Amy calling out Sheldon and Penny. Could have been a good emotional episode to explore character relationships in a mature way. But noooooo...they added cheap lazy cop out at the end.The plot went NO WHERE. So fail.

Going to have to disagree with you here...IMO, The AV Club has a hard on for Mayim...the reviewers adore her and how her character has contributed to the evolution of Sheldon.

[Kathy2611]

They also hated how Stuart was treated.

And a lot of the comments point out how weird they feel Sheldon & Penny's friendship has gotten.  It's just not funny anymore like it used to be.  Since when would Penny care about a RM agreement/meeting.  She used to tease Leonard about how he put up with Sheldon's crap and stupid for doing so.  Now she's doing it?  

And the most stupidest line I've ever heard....

Penny has to MAKE Sheldon take his medicine?  SHELDON COOPER?!  The  germophobic hypochondriac who we saw skipping down the medicine aisle of a pharmacy (or grocery store) while Leonard & Amy had this conversation.....

Amy: I’ve never seen him this happy before.

Leonard: That’s because you’ve never seen him on restock the medicine cabinet day.

Sheldon: Look. A new topical antihistamine with lidocaine. Wow. I can’t wait until I get a rash.

And that was just a little over 2 years ago!!

I also feel the way others do in that this is leading to a living arrangements show-down by the final episode this season.  It HAS to be addressed.  I mean it's just gotten too stupidly ridiculous that they are still living with him instead of just across the hall.  Not only financially but it's really time that Penny (yes, Penny, not Sheldon) grow up and stop hiding behind the man child and face her life with her new husband, who she herself, calls her best friend.  

Either put up or shut up, honey.  And while you're at it, why don't you get the stick out of your own ass?

 

 

 

 

Edited April 23, 2016 by Kathy2611