[Spoilers] Discussion Topic: Season 9

[djsurrey]

7 minutes ago, Tensor said:

As wonderful as this episode sounds(wedding redo, living arrangements, Shamy engagement, Raj resolution) it ain't *&^(% happening.  It leaves everyone in a good place and that is against some damn law, set by TPTB, of how the show should be run.  It's entirely too happy. And from prior experience I'm willing to bet on where the drama comes from.  

That is what I'm thinking. I have been in this forum long enough to know it ain't rainbows and unicorns during the summer hiatus. 

Edited April 23, 2016 by djsurrey

[5Mississippis]

9 hours ago, nickelette424 said:

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As for this episode, I, like others, wasn't a fan.  It was pretty aimless.  One of the things that really bothered me about this episode was Leonard.  I hated him here, like a lot.  We have seen Leonard get pissy about the RA before.  And what has he done then?  He storms out claiming he's done with it all and he's moving out and made actions to do so even if he returned in the end.  At least he attempted to take action.  Last night?  He just got pissy, and more pissy and whinny, and then just threw a tantrum for the first half of the episode.  He basically just screamed "I DON'T WANNA"  and sat on the couch and pouted.  This is the perfect time for him to say he's done with it and say he was moving out.  I can understand him being frustrated by his situation.  What I didn't understand was him continuing to act like a big baby.  That's not the Leonard I know and it wasn't a good look on him.  

What I saw from Penny early on here was basically her reacting to Leonard being a big baby.  She wasn't wrong.  Look, they signed the roommate agreement and they both new (Leonard especially knew) these are the kind of things they would have to deal with.  Throwing a tantrum and starting a fight about it is kinda silly at this point.  But, I can forgive that based on frustration.  Continuing to bitch and pout and being a jerk about it even when, as Penny said, he was just gonna make up with him anyway, I could not.  I understand why she had had enough and wanted to get away from him.  However, that says nothing about how I felt about the revelations that Penny manipulates the hell out of Sheldon to use him as a go between with her and Leonard to get her way.

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Wow. Just wow. 

For nine seasons we know that there have been Leonard uprisings in the past about his issues with the ridiculousness, absurdity, and injustice of the Roommate Agreement. And his behavior has been to 'just knuckle under', agree to Sheldon's demented rules just to make easier passage of your time in 4A. Leonard made his increasing frustrations clear on multiple occasions. And, not only is Penny aware of Leonard's frustration with this situation, she has called Sheldon crazy far too many times to count, she has also said that his Roommate Agreement rules are stupid (she even got banned from the apartment for breaking three of them -- an entire show was even dedicated to it) and she has encouraged Leonard to break the rules himself. 

That is the canon we are working from.

Fast forward to Game of Thrones night.

We learn from Leonard that quarterly meetings are far too often and that one of the highlighted items that will be debated is which raisin bran Sheldon should buy -- a cereal, by the way, only Sheldon would only be eating. 

WTF! 

Other than Sheldon, who seems to need to dedicate a lot of measures and thought into such a decision, why anyone would want to waste their time doing that is beyond me. 

So Leonard said enough is enough and he wasn't having any part of it. Good for you, Leonard. Stop enabling the crazy man (something Penny herself has said in the past). 

Enter Penny. 

Leonard, fully knowing what Penny has said and done in the past, asks for his wife's support. And he gets NONE. Not only does he absolutely NO support from Penny, he (and we in the audience) watch as Penny turns into Sheldon's supportive, card carrying minion in the church of Sheldon's fucking lunacy. 

'We signed the agreement. We need to support him.'

WTF! WTF! WTF! 

Is it REALLY PENNY that is saying THOSE lines?! Absolutely mind boggling. 

WTF! WTF! WTF! WTF! 

Why anyone is calling out Leonard for being upset and pissy is beyond me. Given what he knew about how Penny behaved and what she said in past, he had every right to be upset. Leonard's wife -- smart, sassy, put up with no bullshit Penny has officially become Sheldon-ized. 

WTF!

But wait -- we're still not done. 

Leonard finds out later that she is only manipulating Sheldon so she doesn't have to discuss anything with her husband, effectively bypassing Leonard, and making her own amendments to the Roommate Agreement. Yep. So, in effect, we find out that basically Penny does not really care about the Roommate Agreement, she only cares about manipulating Sheldon to get her way, serving her own needs, excluding her husband. What a way to get out of the toilet paper fines. 

Yep. That's how a loving  and caring wife behaves. 

The anti-Leonard bias is fantastically huge here because I see comments about Leonard's justifiably upset behavior -- but what about Penny? Has anyone called her out on her very crappy behavior here and being a manipulative self-serving bitch? 

Other than me, I mean. 

[camelliayao]

As much as I want some Shamy cuteness in the finale, if Sheldon proposes because Mary asks him to do so, I'll be utterly disappointed. I know I shouldn't have high expections, but I've always wanted Shamy proposal to be something special. Not romantic, but special, something Shamy. Maybe weird but cute. Like their train kiss, or the prom episode. 

And it's not very convincing that a man is mature enough to have a family when the reason he proposes is because his mom tells him to do so.

So I don't want them to rush to Shamy engagement in the finale. Besides, they still haven't talked about coitus! Ugh!

[djsurrey]

6 hours ago, wowbagger said:

come on, April. Join me on the Couch Of WTF. The showrunners do not deserve your indulgence and you know it. You give, and you give, and you work your fingers to the bone. And this is how they repay you . COME OVER TO THE DARK SIDE! We have cookies. And LARGE quantities of Belgian beer. And buckets.

19 minutes ago, tallin said:

Cookies, beer,  buckets and shared self-pity ?

Did I just heard party? 

 

Is that permitted?

[Kathy2611]

15 minutes ago, 5Mississippis said:

Wow. Just wow. 

For nine seasons we know that there have been Leonard uprisings in the past about his issues with the ridiculousness, absurdity, and injustice of the Roommate Agreement. And his behavior has been to 'just knuckle under', agree to Sheldon's demented rules just to make easier passage of your time in 4A. Leonard made his increasing frustrations clear on multiple occasions. And, not only is Penny aware of Leonard's frustration with this situation, she has called Sheldon crazy far too many times to count, she has also said that his Roommate Agreement rules are stupid (she even got banned from the apartment for breaking three of them -- an entire show was even dedicated to it) and she has encouraged Leonard to break the rules himself. 

That is the canon we are working from.

Fast forward to Game of Thrones night.

We learn from Leonard that quarterly meetings are far too often and that one of the highlighted items that will be debated is which raisin bran Sheldon should buy -- a cereal, by the way, only Sheldon would only be eating. 

WTF! 

Other than Sheldon, who seems to need to dedicate a lot of measures and thought into such a decision, why anyone would want to waste their time doing that is beyond me. 

So Leonard said enough is enough and he wasn't having any part of it. Good for you, Leonard. Stop enabling the crazy man (something Penny herself has said in the past). 

Enter Penny. 

Leonard, fully knowing what Penny has said and done in the past, asks for his wife's support. And he gets NONE. Not only does he absolutely NO support from Penny, he (and we in the audience) watch as Penny turns into Sheldon's supportive, card carrying minion in the church of Sheldon's fucking lunacy. 

'We signed the agreement. We need to support him.'

WTF! WTF! WTF! 

Is it REALLY PENNY that is saying THOSE lines?! Absolutely mind boggling. 

WTF! WTF! WTF! WTF! 

Why anyone is calling out Leonard for being upset and pissy is beyond me. Given what he knew about how Penny behaved and what she said in past, he had every right to be upset. Leonard's wife -- smart, sassy, put up with no bullshit Penny has officially become Sheldon-ized. 

WTF!

But wait -- we're still not done. 

Leonard finds out later that she is only manipulating Sheldon so she doesn't have to discuss anything with her husband, effectively bypassing Leonard, and making her own amendments to the Roommate Agreement. Yep. So, in effect, we find out that basically Penny does not really care about the Roommate Agreement, she only cares about manipulating Sheldon to get her way, serving her own needs, excluding her husband. What a way to get out of the toilet paper fines. 

Yep. That's how a loving  and caring wife behaves. 

The anti-Leonard bias is fantastically huge here because I see comments about Leonard's justifiably upset behavior -- but what about Penny? Has anyone called her out on her very crappy behavior here and being a manipulative self-serving bitch? 

Other than me, I mean. 

Ummmm Hello?  I just commented on the stick in her own ass she needs to remove!  

[5Mississippis]

5 minutes ago, Kathy2611 said:

Ummmm Hello?  I just commented on the stick in her own ass she needs to remove!  

My apologies. You did. I added a 'like' to you comment even before I started writing my response.

Edited April 23, 2016 by 5Mississippis

[Tonstar17]

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As for this episode, I, like others, wasn't a fan.  It was pretty aimless.  One of the things that really bothered me about this episode was Leonard.  I hated him here, like a lot.  We have seen Leonard get pissy about the RA before.  And what has he done then?  He storms out claiming he's done with it all and he's moving out and made actions to do so even if he returned in the end.  At least he attempted to take action.  Last night?  He just got pissy, and more pissy and whinny, and then just threw a tantrum for the first half of the episode.  He basically just screamed "I DON'T WANNA"  and sat on the couch and pouted.  This is the perfect time for him to say he's done with it and say he was moving out.  I can understand him being frustrated by his situation.  What I didn't understand was him continuing to act like a big baby.  That's not the Leonard I know and it wasn't a good look on him.  

What I saw from Penny early on here was basically her reacting to Leonard being a big baby.  She wasn't wrong.  Look, they signed the roommate agreement and they both new (Leonard especially knew) these are the kind of things they would have to deal with.  Throwing a tantrum and starting a fight about it is kinda silly at this point.  But, I can forgive that based on frustration.  Continuing to bitch and pout and being a jerk about it even when, as Penny said, he was just gonna make up with him anyway, I could not.  I understand why she had had enough and wanted to get away from him.  However, that says nothing about how I felt about the revelations that Penny manipulates the hell out of Sheldon to use him as a go between with her and Leonard to get her way.

[ -- SNIP -- ]

Wow. Just wow. 

For nine seasons we know that there have been Leonard uprisings in the past about his issues with the ridiculousness, absurdity, and injustice of the Roommate Agreement. And his behavior has been to 'just knuckle under', agree to Sheldon's demented rules just to make easier passage of your time in 4A. Leonard made his increasing frustrations clear on multiple occasions. And, not only is Penny aware of Leonard's frustration with this situation, she has called Sheldon crazy far too many times to count, she has also said that his Roommate Agreement rules are stupid (she even got banned from the apartment for breaking three of them -- an entire show was even dedicated to it) and she has encouraged Leonard to break the rules himself. 

That is the canon we are working from.

Fast forward to Game of Thrones night.

We learn from Leonard that quarterly meetings are far too often and that one of the highlighted items that will be debated is which raisin bran Sheldon should buy -- a cereal, by the way, only Sheldon would only be eating. 

WTF! 

Other than Sheldon, who seems to need to dedicate a lot of measures and thought into such a decision, why anyone would want to waste their time doing that is beyond me. 

So Leonard said enough is enough and he wasn't having any part of it. Good for you, Leonard. Stop enabling the crazy man (something Penny herself has said in the past). 

Enter Penny. 

Leonard, fully knowing what Penny has said and done in the past, asks for his wife's support. And he gets NONE. Not only does he absolutely NO support from Penny, he (and we in the audience) watch as Penny turns into Sheldon's supportive, card carrying minion in the church of Sheldon's fucking lunacy. 

'We signed the agreement. We need to support him.'

WTF! WTF! WTF! 

Is it REALLY PENNY that is saying THOSE lines?! Absolutely mind boggling. 

WTF! WTF! WTF! WTF! 

Why anyone is calling out Leonard for being upset and pissy is beyond me. Given what he knew about how Penny behaved and what she said in past, he had every right to be upset. Leonard's wife -- smart, sassy, put up with no bullshit Penny has officially become Sheldon-ized. 

WTF!

But wait -- we're still not done. 

Leonard finds out later that she is only manipulating Sheldon so she doesn't have to discuss anything with her husband, effectively bypassing Leonard, and making her own amendments to the Roommate Agreement. Yep. So, in effect, we find out that basically Penny does not really care about the Roommate Agreement, she only cares about manipulating Sheldon to get her way, serving her own needs, excluding her husband. What a way to get out of the toilet paper fines. 

Yep. That's how a loving  and caring wife behaves. 

The anti-Leonard bias is fantastically huge here because I see comments about Leonard's justifiably upset behavior -- but what about Penny? Has anyone called her out on her very crappy behavior here and being a manipulative self-serving bitch? 

Other than me, I mean. 

^^^

Totally agree with this. Well you do know Leonard should know better and is held accountable for everyone's mistakes.

God. You can't bash any other characters on this forum without it going back to Leonard…

You bash Sheldon, Leonard gets bashed.

You bash penny, Leonard gets bashed.

You bash Raj Leonard get bashed,

You bash Amy, Leonard get bashed.

Shamy breakup Leonard gets bashed,

Sheldon runs away Leonard literally gets bashed.

Poor guy no wonder Leonard could never catch a break with all the hate he gets.

Okay I've got to ask, where is this coming from that the only reason lenny are still living in 4a is because penny doesn't want to move. Did I miss an episode where lenny had a conversation about moving out and penny stated that she wants to stay in 4a or tptb hinted that Penny wants to stay. She said for awhile and it hasn't been brought up since. This is on the writers, not penny. But would love to be corrected and pointed to the episode or hints given. her not happy with her job or not wanting to grow old has nothing to do with staying at 4a. That was never the reason given in the first place, or are ppls just making assumptions.

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[mirs1]

44 minutes ago, Chrismo said:

I don't the actual redo is going to be much. More of a finality to what was done before. 

As for Lenny redo, I think the vows in the "first" wedding were really amazing, I don't think the writers can come up with something better or more suited for the couple than those. So, I'd like to see a ceremony which is the "complement" of what we saw on screen in 9.01, with the "I do's" (now Penny is forever Hofstadter, there's no longer the problem of concealing her last name) and the ring exchange; but definitely, I'd like to see a whole ceremony (vows apart), there's no point in having a redo if it's not a "complete" wedding...

[Tensor]

 

23 minutes ago, 5Mississippis said:

Has anyone called her out on her very crappy behavior here and being a manipulative self-serving bitch? 

Other than me, I mean. 

Ahemmmm

@Tonstar back in 9.03 Penny is the one that agrees to stay in the apartment, when Sheldon was sad. She told Leonard, who wanted to move out, that it would be for a while, and the could treat Sheldon like he was their dog. Penny was the one who convinced Leonard to stay. 

[Tonstar17]

 

Has anyone called her out on her very crappy behavior here and being a manipulative self-serving bitch? 

Other than me, I mean. 

Ahemmmm

@Tonstar back in 9.03 Penny is the one that agrees to stay in the apartment, when Sheldon was sad. She told Leonard, who wanted to move out, that it would be for a while, and the could treat Sheldon like he was their dog. Penny was the one who convinced Leonard to stay. 

I know that but I wasn't talking about then. I'm talking about now ppls are saying penny doesn't want to move because she want to stay. It has never being brought up since 903 so to me ppls are just making assumptions that it penny keeping lenny in 4a which there is no evidence of.

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[djsurrey]

25 minutes ago, mirs1 said:

As for Lenny redo, I think the vows in the "first" wedding were really amazing, I don't think the writers can come up with something better or more suited for the couple than those. So, I'd like to see a ceremony which is the "complement" of what we saw on screen in 9.01, with the "I do's" (now Penny is forever Hofstadter, there's no longer the problem of concealing her last name) and the ring exchange; but definitely, I'd like to see a whole ceremony (vows apart), there's no point in having a redo if it's not a "complete" wedding...

...and realistically they can't plan a big fancy wedding in the time left this season. It is easy to talk about but a lot of work to pull off. If they were to do a small wedding redo would it satisfy enough fans to bother? The other thing here is that neither of these characters has expressed any interest in a wedding redo. Penny likes to wing it and has a credit card issue despite making twice as much as Leonard and Leonard is trying to save some money. I don't see wedding bells in their near future.

Edited April 23, 2016 by djsurrey

[veejay]

14 minutes ago, Tonstar17 said:

Ahemmmm

@Tonstar back in 9.03 Penny is the one that agrees to stay in the apartment, when Sheldon was sad. She told Leonard, who wanted to move out, that it would be for a while, and the could treat Sheldon like he was their dog. Penny was the one who convinced Leonard to stay. 

 

I know that but I wasn't talking about then. I'm talking about now ppls are saying penny doesn't want to move because she want to stay. It has never being brought up since 903 so to me ppls are just making assumptions that it penny keeping lenny in 4a which there is no evidence of.

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You're right. Now we have to consider the question: what’s the conclusion for ‚a while‘? Lightyears…?  

[Tonstar17]

Ahemmmm

@Tonstar back in 9.03 Penny is the one that agrees to stay in the apartment, when Sheldon was sad. She told Leonard, who wanted to move out, that it would be for a while, and the could treat Sheldon like he was their dog. Penny was the one who convinced Leonard to stay. 

 

I know that but I wasn't talking about then. I'm talking about now ppls are saying penny doesn't want to move because she want to stay. It has never being brought up since 903 so to me ppls are just making assumptions that it penny keeping lenny in 4a which there is no evidence of.

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You're right. Now we have to consider the question: what’s the conclusion for ‚a while‘? Lightyears…?  

I remember saying it back then that a while means probably s10 and beyond and ppls disagreed with me.

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[luminous]

1 hour ago, 5Mississippis said:

[...] but what about Penny? Has anyone called her out on her very crappy behavior here and being a manipulative self-serving bitch? 

Other than me, I mean. 

Well, it's not really my style to call somebody out on something or write a long rant, since I am somebody who tries to concentrate on the positive aspects of a character, couple, episode, etc.

All I can say is, that I don't like the behaviour Penny displays towards Leonard at times. And Penny's behaviour in the latest episode was indeed crappy.

At this point, let me repeat what I wrote yesterday (shouts to Penny the following):
"Treat others the same way you want them to treat you."

Edited April 23, 2016 by luminous

[Stephen Hawking]

22 minutes ago, Tonstar17 said:

Now we have to consider the question: what’s the conclusion for a while‘? Lightyears…?  

As Sheldon pointed out to Penny:-

A light year is a unit of distance, not time.

You see people hear the word year and they think duration. Foot pound has the same problem, that’s a unit of work, not of weight.

[joyceraye]

4 hours ago, Kathy2611 said:

WHAT!!!???  When did they EVER show him being afraid of taking medicine?  The example I just pointed out was the latest example.  There's previous examples that I can name where he's WANTING to take some type of medicine for whatever lame reason in previous episodes but I just happened to pick the latest one!

Yep. LOL  He'll take medicine when he's not actually sick or only has something like a common cold.  In that respect Sheldon's like a lot of men.  Amy and Leonard did say it was when he was sick that nobody but Penny could get him to take it. I can well believe it of germophobe  Sheldon.

[veejay]

5 minutes ago, Stephen Hawking said:

As Sheldon pointed out to Penny:-

A light year is a unit of distance, not time.

You see people hear the word year and they think duration. Foot pound has the same problem, that’s a unit of work, not of weight.

Quote

Now we have to consider the question: what’s the conclusion for a while‘? Lightyears…? 

Lol, this quote belongs to me and of course I was 'just serious kidding'.

[Stephen Hawking]

1 minute ago, veejay said:

and of course I was 'just serious kidding'.

What do you think I was doing?  

[veejay]

2 minutes ago, Stephen Hawking said:

What do you think I was doing?  

Seriously?

[Mislav]

1 hour ago, Tonstar17 said:

Wow. Just wow. 

For nine seasons we know that there have been Leonard uprisings in the past about his issues with the ridiculousness, absurdity, and injustice of the Roommate Agreement. And his behavior has been to 'just knuckle under', agree to Sheldon's demented rules just to make easier passage of your time in 4A. Leonard made his increasing frustrations clear on multiple occasions. And, not only is Penny aware of Leonard's frustration with this situation, she has called Sheldon crazy far too many times to count, she has also said that his Roommate Agreement rules are stupid (she even got banned from the apartment for breaking three of them -- an entire show was even dedicated to it) and she has encouraged Leonard to break the rules himself. 

That is the canon we are working from.

Fast forward to Game of Thrones night.

We learn from Leonard that quarterly meetings are far too often and that one of the highlighted items that will be debated is which raisin bran Sheldon should buy -- a cereal, by the way, only Sheldon would only be eating. 

WTF! 

Other than Sheldon, who seems to need to dedicate a lot of measures and thought into such a decision, why anyone would want to waste their time doing that is beyond me. 

So Leonard said enough is enough and he wasn't having any part of it. Good for you, Leonard. Stop enabling the crazy man (something Penny herself has said in the past). 

Enter Penny. 

Leonard, fully knowing what Penny has said and done in the past, asks for his wife's support. And he gets NONE. Not only does he absolutely NO support from Penny, he (and we in the audience) watch as Penny turns into Sheldon's supportive, card carrying minion in the church of Sheldon's fucking lunacy. 

'We signed the agreement. We need to support him.'

WTF! WTF! WTF! 

Is it REALLY PENNY that is saying THOSE lines?! Absolutely mind boggling. 

WTF! WTF! WTF! WTF! 

Why anyone is calling out Leonard for being upset and pissy is beyond me. Given what he knew about how Penny behaved and what she said in past, he had every right to be upset. Leonard's wife -- smart, sassy, put up with no bullshit Penny has officially become Sheldon-ized. 

WTF!

But wait -- we're still not done. 

Leonard finds out later that she is only manipulating Sheldon so she doesn't have to discuss anything with her husband, effectively bypassing Leonard, and making her own amendments to the Roommate Agreement. Yep. So, in effect, we find out that basically Penny does not really care about the Roommate Agreement, she only cares about manipulating Sheldon to get her way, serving her own needs, excluding her husband. What a way to get out of the toilet paper fines. 

Yep. That's how a loving  and caring wife behaves. 

The anti-Leonard bias is fantastically huge here because I see comments about Leonard's justifiably upset behavior -- but what about Penny? Has anyone called her out on her very crappy behavior here and being a manipulative self-serving bitch? 

Other than me, I mean. 

 

^^^

Totally agree with this. Well you do know Leonard should know better and is held accountable for everyone's mistakes.

God. You can't bash any other characters on this forum without it going back to Leonard…

You bash Sheldon, Leonard gets bashed.

You bash penny, Leonard gets bashed.

You bash Raj Leonard get bashed,

You bash Amy, Leonard get bashed.

Shamy breakup Leonard gets bashed,

Sheldon runs away Leonard literally gets bashed.

Poor guy no wonder Leonard could never catch a break with all the hate he gets.

Okay I've got to ask, where is this coming from that the only reason lenny are still living in 4a is because penny doesn't want to move. Did I miss an episode where lenny had a conversation about moving out and penny stated that she wants to stay in 4a or tptb hinted that Penny wants to stay. She said for awhile and it hasn't been brought up since. This is on the writers, not penny. But would love to be corrected and pointed to the episode or hints given. her not happy with her job or not wanting to grow old has nothing to do with staying at 4a. That was never the reason given in the first place, or are ppls just making assumptions.

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If you don't want people to bash Leonard, why would you (apparently) support bashing other characters or couples?

[AllyAnne]

I hate to say this, because I don't want it to happen, but I feel like this wedding redo is going to end with some kind of Lenny fight or separation.  Their body language/separate seating at the hospital....I think that was deliberate.  And showing the Shamy sitting together, leaning on each other...that was deliberate too.  On a happier note, I don't think there'll be an engagement but there'll be coitus...or a hint of it before it fades to black.

[joyceraye]

1 hour ago, djsurrey said:

...and realistically they can't plan a big fancy wedding in the time left this season. It is easy to talk about but a lot of work to pull off. If they were to do a small wedding redo would it satisfy enough fans to bother? The other thing here is that neither of these characters has expressed any interest in a wedding redo. Penny likes to wing it and has a credit card issue despite making twice as much as Leonard and Leonard is trying to save some money. I don't see wedding bells in their near future.

Perhaps it's Mary who's getting married and has a big fancy wedding planned ? I think she's coming in person 1) to tell her beloved Shelly about it so if he freaks out  at the idea of his old home's contents  being boxed up and the house sold she can help calm him down and 2) to ask Amy to be a maid/matron of honour. We can have a few nice scenes in Texas next season.

[mirs1]

9 minutes ago, AllyAnne said:

I hate to say this, because I don't want it to happen, but I feel like this wedding redo is going to end with some kind of Lenny fight or separation.  Their body language/separate seating at the hospital....I think that was deliberate.  And showing the Shamy sitting together, leaning on each other...that was deliberate too.  On a happier note, I don't think there'll be an engagement but there'll be coitus...or a hint of it before it fades to black.

Didn't the episode end with Lenny in bed together pretty close to each other? I don't think the writers are going to mess up with their wedding twice, that would be, to paraphrase vintage Raj, "the screw up of the make up", LOL!

Edited April 23, 2016 by mirs1

[AllyAnne]

10 minutes ago, mirs1 said:

Didn't the episode end with Lenny in bed together pretty close to each other? I don't think the writers are going to mess up with their wedding twice, that would be, to paraphrase vintage Raj, "the screw up of the make up", LOL!

I hope you're right!  I just don't think the season will end with unicorns pooping rainbows.  Something has to be left hanging.

[Chrismo]

12 minutes ago, AllyAnne said:

I hope you're right!  I just don't think the season will end with unicorns pooping rainbows.  Something has to be left hanging.

Actually no it doesn't. Seasons 1,4,7, and 8 had cliffhangers while 2,3,5,and 6 did not. The non cliffhanger episodes skipped ahead 3-4 months. If they had do have a cliffhanger how do they explain Bernadette being pregnant for so long?